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OBJ_AllDay : 12/5/2016 1:53 pm
Fat Mike can't make it any more personal with Beckham. Utterly ridiculous at this point. Stirring up the idiot callers. Somehow the whole synopsis of the game is Beckham is a cancer and his issues with the refs. All this despite a horribly officiated game, a game in which Eli manning we were told by the beat writers was "furious" with the refs as well and had to talk to them several times. Of course no mention of that and the fact that they had legitimate gripes. Or that the fact that the Giants sucked yesterday as an O line unit. "Beckham would be mad if the Giants scored 40 and he wasn't involved". Seriously? That flies in stark contrast to everything we have ever seen or heard from both Beckham and his teammates. How many of us could keep our composure from forearms to the throat after a tackle? So sick of this narrative.
this is (especially) ridiculous  
giants#1 : 12/5/2016 1:55 pm : link
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Beckham would be mad if the Giants scored 40 and he wasn't involved


Since Beckham has actually been fined this year for celebrating his teammates accomplishments too much (e.g. Cruz's first TD back)
the guy can't relate  
UConn4523 : 12/5/2016 1:56 pm : link
to 20 year old rich guys who grew up this past decade. I love Francesa because he's absolutely hilarious, but I learned to not take him seriously when it comes to certain topics, this being one of them.

Not every player is going to go out there and be an emotionless mute.
Stirring up idiots  
JonC : 12/5/2016 1:57 pm : link
is how he earns a living, that's what sports talk is all about.
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Danny Kanell : 12/5/2016 1:59 pm : link
Anyone that thinks Beckham is the type of "me" guy that would be upset he wasn't involved despite winning by 40, is just lazy and not paying attention.

Don't get me wrong, OBJ is an attention whore and in different ways, a "me" guy. But he's always seemed like a sincere team player and I truly think he'd be happier with zero catches and a win than 8 catches and a loss.

Mike can't stand him, never could. Alot of people can't. But Mike dislikes him for the wrong reasons, as do alot of people on BBI.
I turned on SportsNite, the SNY clips show, last night  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/5/2016 2:00 pm : link
and the first thing they talked about with a panel after the game highlights was Odell Beckham. Some bald guy went on a rant about how he's sick of Beckham. I started thinking, "Shouldn't he be pissed off at the producer of the show?" because there's no way on earth that the first topic about this game should be Odell Beckham. But I guess 5 minutes about Ereck Flowers wouldn't be sexy TV.

The media makes him the story, then they complain about how he's the story.
This will be a great week for Mike  
NoPeanutz : 12/5/2016 2:05 pm : link
his greatest pleasure is teasing front-runner Cowboy callers.
OBJ was wrong with what he did last year  
montanagiant : 12/5/2016 2:09 pm : link
What has occurred since then aginst him has bordered on the absurd level. The ownership, GM, coach should all be working the media at this point to get it to stop
Seriously  
Eman11 : 12/5/2016 2:11 pm : link
Mike actually thinking OBJ was smiling because he was happy AB scored a TD and making a big deal of it is all I needed to hear to make me turn it off.
RE: this is (especially) ridiculous  
Sy'56 : 12/5/2016 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13250306 giants#1 said:
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Beckham would be mad if the Giants scored 40 and he wasn't involved



Since Beckham has actually been fined this year for celebrating his teammates accomplishments too much (e.g. Cruz's first TD back)


He was also pretty pumped about Antonio Brown's TD yesterday.
Beckham  
KWhite2250 : 12/5/2016 2:15 pm : link
Clearly refused to go on Mikes show so it becomes personal for Fattie. Im sure that nobody ever smiled on the opposing sideline at a celebration before. The problem is Fox and the rest of the media are forcing Beckham down our throats during the game. The 2 idiots in the morning and mike have a problem with Beckham hanging out the night before. If afox doesnt show it, then Mike never even knows about it. Only the fans who follow people on instagram know and thats what they want to see anyway
RE: RE: this is (especially) ridiculous  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13250352 Sy'56 said:
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Beckham would be mad if the Giants scored 40 and he wasn't involved



Since Beckham has actually been fined this year for celebrating his teammates accomplishments too much (e.g. Cruz's first TD back)



He was also pretty pumped about Antonio Brown's TD yesterday.


was he? or was he laughing at a friends celebration?

god forbid players have friends off the field of oppoaing teams..

ewing used to get ripped by the media for having dinner with mourning nights before games..
RE: Seriously  
terz22 : 12/5/2016 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13250345 Eman11 said:
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Mike actually thinking OBJ was smiling because he was happy AB scored a TD and making a big deal of it is all I needed to hear to make me turn it off.


Lol bingo as soon as I heard that I turned it off.
RE: Beckham  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13250354 KWhite2250 said:
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Clearly refused to go on Mikes show so it becomes personal for Fattie. Im sure that nobody ever smiled on the opposing sideline at a celebration before. The problem is Fox and the rest of the media are forcing Beckham down our throats during the game. The 2 idiots in the morning and mike have a problem with Beckham hanging out the night before. If afox doesnt show it, then Mike never even knows about it. Only the fans who follow people on instagram know and thats what they want to see anyway


hanging out the night before is hardly a new thing in sports...

ewing did it all the time with mourning...

RE: Stirring up idiots  
David in LA : 12/5/2016 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13250315 JonC said:
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is how he earns a living, that's what sports talk is all about.


This
Mike is transparent.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/5/2016 2:18 pm : link
He's not going to get several hours worth of calls if the discussion is how shitty Ereck Flowers has been.

So if the choice is complaining about Odell (certain to get calls) or Eli throwing a horrendous pick, he's going to choose the guy who DOESN'T do a weekly show with him.
RE: RE: this is (especially) ridiculous  
Eman11 : 12/5/2016 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13250352 Sy'56 said:
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Beckham would be mad if the Giants scored 40 and he wasn't involved



Since Beckham has actually been fined this year for celebrating his teammates accomplishments too much (e.g. Cruz's first TD back)



He was also pretty pumped about Antonio Brown's TD yesterday.


Sorry but I couldn't disagree more. I don't think he was pumped or smiling because AB scored. I think it was at his celebration/dance he got a kick out of or even a bit of a nervous energy type of thing. Like ok, you got one now it's my turn.

There's no way I think he was actually happy AB scored.
and people wonder why players dont want to play in new york  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 2:22 pm : link
the alan hahn show all 4 guys including chris canty ripped beckham and said he wont make it in new york to his second contract
I love Mike  
ryanmkeane : 12/5/2016 2:22 pm : link
think he's hilarious but the anti Beckham stuff is quite annoying.
everyone had to know this was going to happen  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 2:26 pm : link
everyone couldnt wait to rip beckham and the giants, you knew as soon as they lost we were going to get i told you so's from the media and how the giants are a mediocre team and beckham is a nut job



this is why i have not listened to a second of sports radio today, and will only listen to eli at 505 and then turn it off
but hey  
ryanmkeane : 12/5/2016 2:27 pm : link
Dez Bryant is a warrior and competitor right??
Beckham is an emotional little child...  
Chris684 : 12/5/2016 2:28 pm : link
His act is a tired one.

It took him a month to get over the fact that he hit himself in the head with a kicking net and looked like a complete fool. The entire love story with the net that followed after was overcompensation for his embarrassment.

I'm glad he got a real kick out of Antonio Brown's TD yesterday. That sure was fun along playing stupid football giving up positive yardage and screaming after every incompletion his way.

When Odell Beckham is out of control, the Giants lose. So far we have Carolina last year (and Minnesota due to the fallout), Washington, Minnesota and Pittsburgh this year.

The guy is a great player, no one can take that away from him, but give me a guy like Larry Fitzgerald any day of the week.
You mean they weren't talking Mets bullpen and farm system on WFAN?  
lawguy9801 : 12/5/2016 2:28 pm : link
I don't buy it.
RE: Beckham is an emotional little child...  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13250391 Chris684 said:
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His act is a tired one.

It took him a month to get over the fact that he hit himself in the head with a kicking net and looked like a complete fool. The entire love story with the net that followed after was overcompensation for his embarrassment.

I'm glad he got a real kick out of Antonio Brown's TD yesterday. That sure was fun along playing stupid football giving up positive yardage and screaming after every incompletion his way.

When Odell Beckham is out of control, the Giants lose. So far we have Carolina last year (and Minnesota due to the fallout), Washington, Minnesota and Pittsburgh this year.

The guy is a great player, no one can take that away from him, but give me a guy like Larry Fitzgerald any day of the week.


he was out of control yesterday?

news to me
OBJ  
RobCarpenter : 12/5/2016 2:31 pm : link
Is the least of the Giants' current worries. Without him this team has maybe four wins.

Why can't Francessa talk about something useful, like the problems with Flowers or the Giants' inability to run the ball?
Beckham  
PaulN : 12/5/2016 2:32 pm : link
Is a problem with the refs, but his biggest problem is being as big fucking baby, and the babying has got to end, it has not worked, if that leads him to leave the team, fuck him. I don't think it would though and it might make him the player he so desperately wants to be, this entire bullshit was started by Tom Coughlin, Mr. Discipline. He blew it with Beckham, and it continues, yes it has got a little better, but it simply is not good enough, it needs to end. I love the fact that he is competitive, but his antics need to stop and be controlled.
RE: RE: RE: this is (especially) ridiculous  
Sy'56 : 12/5/2016 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13250358 nygiants16 said:
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Beckham would be mad if the Giants scored 40 and he wasn't involved



Since Beckham has actually been fined this year for celebrating his teammates accomplishments too much (e.g. Cruz's first TD back)



He was also pretty pumped about Antonio Brown's TD yesterday.



was he? or was he laughing at a friends celebration?

god forbid players have friends off the field of oppoaing teams..

ewing used to get ripped by the media for having dinner with mourning nights before games..


Cool. Was Ewing laughing on the bench when Mourning dunked on Oakley? I bet not....
Selective listening yet again  
Giants2012 : 12/5/2016 2:34 pm : link
Bashed Flowers
Bashed the OL

Don't say anything about the golden boy though.
Yea he was...  
Chris684 : 12/5/2016 2:35 pm : link
I guess Troy Aikman and Mike Francesa don't know what the hell they're talking about!

There's nothing to see with this guy Beckham! He's a model of class, self control and professionalism!

People take everything this guy does and spin it into something.  
arcarsenal : 12/5/2016 2:36 pm : link
It's ridiculous.

Why does his reaction have to mean "Awesome! I love that my buddy scored! I don't care about winning or losing.. that was a great catch!"

He's talked about this before. Going against elite WR's. They asked him about going against AJ when we played CIN and his response was basically that whenever he sees one of those guys make a big play, he feels like he has to 1-up them and do one better.

It was pretty obvious to me that he saw AB's catch and his reaction was "wow.. I gotta find a way to out-do THAT"..

No one on this board has ever smiled in disbelief when they've had a "wow" moment before?

Good lord. Every single thing.. the guy breathes wrong and it turns into WWIII.
RE: Yea he was...  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 2:37 pm : link
In comment 13250402 Chris684 said:
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I guess Troy Aikman and Mike Francesa don't know what the hell they're talking about!

There's nothing to see with this guy Beckham! He's a model of class, self control and professionalism!


if you were on the field and you went to the official and asked for an explanation and the official told you to get out of his face, you would not be pissed off?

if everytime you went up for a pass and you were held with no call you wouldnt be just a little bit annoyed
RE: Selective listening yet again  
KWhite2250 : 12/5/2016 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13250401 Giants2012 said:
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Bashed Flowers
Bashed the OL

Don't say anything about the golden boy though.


Yes the 2 minute discussion about other things. Wonder how anybody missed that over the other 50 mins of beckham bashing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: this is (especially) ridiculous  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13250400 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 13250352 Sy'56 said:


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Beckham would be mad if the Giants scored 40 and he wasn't involved



Since Beckham has actually been fined this year for celebrating his teammates accomplishments too much (e.g. Cruz's first TD back)



He was also pretty pumped about Antonio Brown's TD yesterday.



was he? or was he laughing at a friends celebration?

god forbid players have friends off the field of oppoaing teams..

ewing used to get ripped by the media for having dinner with mourning nights before games..



Cool. Was Ewing laughing on the bench when Mourning dunked on Oakley? I bet not....


give me a fucking break, they play a game! dear lord god forbid he smiles at a friends dance, if you think he was happy he scored then i dont know what to tell you...

they hung out the night before and brown probably told him what he was going to do if he scored, beckham watched and laughed and moved on, big deal
RE: .  
Frankie in Flushing : 12/5/2016 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13250323 Danny Kanell said:
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Anyone that thinks Beckham is the type of "me" guy that would be upset he wasn't involved despite winning by 40, is just lazy and not paying attention.

Don't get me wrong, OBJ is an attention whore and in different ways, a "me" guy. But he's always seemed like a sincere team player and I truly think he'd be happier with zero catches and a win than 8 catches and a loss.

Mike can't stand him, never could. Alot of people can't. But Mike dislikes him for the wrong reasons, as do alot of people on BBI.


Sorry guys, Francesa is right. OBJ had 10 for 100 yesterday and seemed oddly okay with a loss. And why? Because his stats were better than Brown's. If they won by 40 and he did nothing he would be mad. Yesterday was the tipping point. He's a cancer and a loser.
RE: RE: Yea he was...  
Sy'56 : 12/5/2016 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13250405 nygiants16 said:
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I guess Troy Aikman and Mike Francesa don't know what the hell they're talking about!

There's nothing to see with this guy Beckham! He's a model of class, self control and professionalism!




if you were on the field and you went to the official and asked for an explanation and the official told you to get out of his face, you would not be pissed off?

if everytime you went up for a pass and you were held with no call you wouldnt be just a little bit annoyed


Nobody knows what Beckham said to the ref. Stop acting like you do.
RE: Yea he was...  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13250402 Chris684 said:
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I guess Troy Aikman and Mike Francesa don't know what the hell they're talking about!

There's nothing to see with this guy Beckham! He's a model of class, self control and professionalism!


was he out of control when he was on the ground and mitchell came in and hit him late and he tried to push him off of him?

oh thats right aikman said beckham is losing it, so of course it is beckhams fault, nevermind the cheap shot
RE: People take everything this guy does and spin it into something.  
Frankie in Flushing : 12/5/2016 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13250404 arcarsenal said:
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It's ridiculous.

Why does his reaction have to mean "Awesome! I love that my buddy scored! I don't care about winning or losing.. that was a great catch!"

He's talked about this before. Going against elite WR's. They asked him about going against AJ when we played CIN and his response was basically that whenever he sees one of those guys make a big play, he feels like he has to 1-up them and do one better.

It was pretty obvious to me that he saw AB's catch and his reaction was "wow.. I gotta find a way to out-do THAT"..

No one on this board has ever smiled in disbelief when they've had a "wow" moment before?

Good lord. Every single thing.. the guy breathes wrong and it turns into WWIII.


Change the name of this blog to OBJInteractive. All you people do is make excuses for Jeremy Shockey 2.0.
RE: RE: RE: Yea he was...  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13250415 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 13250402 Chris684 said:


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I guess Troy Aikman and Mike Francesa don't know what the hell they're talking about!

There's nothing to see with this guy Beckham! He's a model of class, self control and professionalism!




if you were on the field and you went to the official and asked for an explanation and the official told you to get out of his face, you would not be pissed off?

if everytime you went up for a pass and you were held with no call you wouldnt be just a little bit annoyed



Nobody knows what Beckham said to the ref. Stop acting like you do.


i am going by what beckham said and that is all we have to go on...

i do know he wnet to one official for an explanation and he said go talk to someone else, it was clear as day on camer, and buck even said it on the browdcast...
RE: RE: .  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/5/2016 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13250413 Frankie in Flushing said:
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Sorry guys, Francesa is right. OBJ had 10 for 100 yesterday and seemed oddly okay with a loss. And why? Because his stats were better than Brown's. If they won by 40 and he did nothing he would be mad. Yesterday was the tipping point. He's a cancer and a loser.


What on GOD'S green earth are you talking about? How was he "okay" with the loss? What is your proof of this? I watched the post-game interview and I have no clue what you're talking about.
Some of those callers were beyond moronic  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/5/2016 2:43 pm : link
Sub-moronic.

But Mike creates his hills to die on, and there's always one Giants player for him to do that: Strahan, Shockey and now Beckham.
RE: RE: Selective listening yet again  
Giants2012 : 12/5/2016 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13250411 KWhite2250 said:
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Bashed Flowers
Bashed the OL

Don't say anything about the golden boy though.



Yes the 2 minute discussion about other things. Wonder how anybody missed that over the other 50 mins of beckham bashing.


Oh no, defend Beckham, he's the greatest!!!!!

Toughen up people. Take the praise with the bash and everything in between.
I don't know how any Giants fan can sit here  
Chris684 : 12/5/2016 2:45 pm : link
with a straight face and say that Odell Beckham hasnt become a distraction over the last year and a half for 2 different head coaches, and his QB.

Does anyone think Eli wants to be following Beckham around on the sidelines trying to get him to act like an adult, or maybe the QB has more important things he can be doing?

If being Antonio Brown's #1 fanboy DURING a huge road game doesnt bother you, maybe the several examples of dumb football not getting up field and more whining to the refs, that's a great way to start getting calls!

This isnt just about yesterday, although its the latest example of his stupidity. To this point, the Washington game is the biggest letdown of the season and the main reason we will now be in a dogfight down the stretch and he was in full meltdown mode that day.

Time to act like a pro.
RE: Some of those callers were beyond moronic  
KWhite2250 : 12/5/2016 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13250425 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Sub-moronic.

But Mike creates his hills to die on, and there's always one Giants player for him to do that: Strahan, Shockey and now Beckham.


I think Frankie in Flushing is probably one of those callers. I think Mike has planted callers just to further the discussion and I wouldnt be surprised if he had some of his workers on here posting shit too. We do know he gets his news from BBI as one of his sawces
RE: RE: .  
Matt in SGS : 12/5/2016 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13250413 Frankie in Flushing said:
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Anyone that thinks Beckham is the type of "me" guy that would be upset he wasn't involved despite winning by 40, is just lazy and not paying attention.

Don't get me wrong, OBJ is an attention whore and in different ways, a "me" guy. But he's always seemed like a sincere team player and I truly think he'd be happier with zero catches and a win than 8 catches and a loss.

Mike can't stand him, never could. Alot of people can't. But Mike dislikes him for the wrong reasons, as do alot of people on BBI.



Sorry guys, Francesa is right. OBJ had 10 for 100 yesterday and seemed oddly okay with a loss. And why? Because his stats were better than Brown's. If they won by 40 and he did nothing he would be mad. Yesterday was the tipping point. He's a cancer and a loser.


Odell caught 5 passes for 46 yards vs. the Bears when the Giants won their 5th in a row. I don't remember him bitching or sulking after that or complaining to the media. When one of the other receivers catches a TD, he's one of the first over to celebrate. He gets shit for crying on the bench vs. the Redskins because he's competitive and pissed. But he smirks when Brown makes an impressive TD, and now he's a cancer?

I'm crusty as a fan and it's taken me a bit to understand that the modern athlete is not the same as years before. Beckham and Brown hanging out the night before the game. Putting it on instagram. Those damn Millenials.

But Beckham is not the problem on this team. he gets ratings talk about since it's not as exciting to discuss a regression by the offensive line, and Flowers in particular. Or that the defense held up and Collins, who is having a great year, had a mental breakdown on the TD to make it 21-7. Fuck Odell, he was smiling when Brown scored, get him out of here.
the same ripping beckham for talking to the officials  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 2:50 pm : link
why dont you rip eli? papa and banks both said how furious eli was with the officiating and said multiple times how he was pleading his case to the official..

funny no mention of that from the people ripping beckham
RE: I don't know how any Giants fan can sit here  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/5/2016 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13250428 Chris684 said:
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with a straight face and say that Odell Beckham hasnt become a distraction over the last year and a half for 2 different head coaches, and his QB.

Does anyone think Eli wants to be following Beckham around on the sidelines trying to get him to act like an adult, or maybe the QB has more important things he can be doing?

If being Antonio Brown's #1 fanboy DURING a huge road game doesnt bother you, maybe the several examples of dumb football not getting up field and more whining to the refs, that's a great way to start getting calls!

This isnt just about yesterday, although its the latest example of his stupidity. To this point, the Washington game is the biggest letdown of the season and the main reason we will now be in a dogfight down the stretch and he was in full meltdown mode that day.

Time to act like a pro.


This is what happens when people go too far in the other direction... they start saying things that are just ridiculous.

- It's Odell's fault Will Tye didn't finish his route when Eli threw the pick versus Washington?
- It's Odell's fault Eli threw the game ending pick?
- It's Odell's fault Eli didn't see him streaking wide open down the side line?
- It's Odell's fault Weston Richburg/Andrew Adams picked up insane personal foul penalties?


Yesterday, the biggest plays in the game are Eli's pick, Flower's safety, and Leon Hall falling asleep in the end zone on Brown's TD. How is ANY of that related to Odell Beckham?
So much stupid on this thread  
RobCarpenter : 12/5/2016 2:52 pm : link
I mean - comparing him to Shockey?
RE: the same ripping beckham for talking to the officials  
Matt in SGS : 12/5/2016 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13250445 nygiants16 said:
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why dont you rip eli? papa and banks both said how furious eli was with the officiating and said multiple times how he was pleading his case to the official..

funny no mention of that from the people ripping beckham


The fact that Eli did that, and Eli doesn't make a peep on the field when shit is going on around him in his 13 year career, tells you that Odell was probably right.
shockey, because he smiled when ab danced  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 2:53 pm : link
god forbid anybody smile when the team is losing, it means they do not care
Odell  
Les in TO : 12/5/2016 2:56 pm : link
is not some Soviet red army automanon who plays the game like a robot. He is a hard working, passionate player who doesn't try and hide his emotions. if every Giant was as dedicated as #13 to winning we would be undefeated.

RE: the same ripping beckham for talking to the officials  
Giants2012 : 12/5/2016 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13250445 nygiants16 said:
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why dont you rip eli? papa and banks both said how furious eli was with the officiating and said multiple times how he was pleading his case to the official..

funny no mention of that from the people ripping beckham


Yeah lol. - b/c Eli and OBJ have the same personality

Too bad OBJ didn't make that Awesome FG before the Philly game. Only those present saw that clown act
Yea, maybe Eli  
Chris684 : 12/5/2016 2:58 pm : link
should act like Beckham does when he puts a perfectly thrown ball in his hands for a TD only to have him drop it.

I don't know where you were going by listing everyone's mistakes. They all make them, the difference is very few act out like Beckham does when someone else makes one.

As for Eli complaining about calls, it isnt something I noticed during the game, if it happened, then I'm sure there were legitimate gripes to be had. If so, I'm sure they are better off coming from a seasoned veteran QB with 190+ consecutive games played without the reputation of acting like a punk.
The ODB situation is simple  
Sy'56 : 12/5/2016 2:59 pm : link
He is still maturing (all of us were at that age, don't forget it) and all we can do is hope he grows up enough to reach his potential as an athlete. Because the potential is All-Pro and there is no denying it. He is going to be a vital asset to this team's success over the next few years, hopefully longer.

But to say he doesn't ask for negative attention whether it be from media. refs, opponents...is foolish. He doesn't carry himself well on the field or the sideline. Sometimes it helps him, yes. The chip on his shoulder has helped him make plays. But you are blind homer if you say it hasn't hurt his performance as well.

Beckham was getting held all game, yup. Know who else did yesterday? Larry Fitzgerald. Doug Baldwin. Amari Cooper....and thats only the games I've seen so far. They talk to the refs, wave their hands up here and there. But Beckham's is an attention-starving scene.

ODB is not a bad dude my any accounts from what I know. But he is some diva in him. It hurts more than helps in situations like this.

In my humble opinion...and it is just that...ODB is a very "Me" player. I'm not saying trade him or cut him...as a matter of fact I think NYG should lock him up this offseason before he gets stupid expensive. But man...he is very much about himself and he has not yet figured out how to transfer frustration in to game-making ability. Instead it almost seems like it makes him worse. That needs to change.
RE: RE: Some of those callers were beyond moronic  
Frankie in Flushing : 12/5/2016 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13250432 KWhite2250 said:
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In comment 13250425 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:


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Sub-moronic.

But Mike creates his hills to die on, and there's always one Giants player for him to do that: Strahan, Shockey and now Beckham.



I think Frankie in Flushing is probably one of those callers. I think Mike has planted callers just to further the discussion and I wouldnt be surprised if he had some of his workers on here posting shit too. We do know he gets his news from BBI as one of his sawces


Yes, yes, I secretly work for Francesa because I think OBJ has reached locker room cancer proportions. Jeez. Can't have a negative opinion about a bi-polar receiver with "me" issues.
Some of you guys need to get the fuck over it.  
arcarsenal : 12/5/2016 3:01 pm : link
The incessant whining about every single thing Beckham does is so tiresome. Wahhh he doesn't act like my favorite players did 30 years ago... he's not professional enough.. he dances too much... he doesn't care enough.. he complains too much..

It never ends.

You think this offense is struggling now? We would probably have the worst offense in football without him.

But hey, at least that "cancer" would be gone.
RE: Some of you guys need to get the fuck over it.  
Frankie in Flushing : 12/5/2016 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13250473 arcarsenal said:
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The incessant whining about every single thing Beckham does is so tiresome. Wahhh he doesn't act like my favorite players did 30 years ago... he's not professional enough.. he dances too much... he doesn't care enough.. he complains too much..

It never ends.

You think this offense is struggling now? We would probably have the worst offense in football without him.

But hey, at least that "cancer" would be gone.


I'm over it. I'm over it so much I think the Giants should release him. And I'm not the one crying and cursing.
Sorry..  
arcarsenal : 12/5/2016 3:04 pm : link
I can't take anyone seriously who thinks the Giants should release the best player on their roster.

You have zero credibility when you make comments like that because they're completely moronic. No other way to describe it.

The Giants are not releasing Beckham, the Giants will not release Beckham. It's not even within the same universe of anything realistic.

So, if that's your solution here, you should probably figure out that there's a 0% chance of it happening and move on and find another way to deal with watching the most talented WR that has ever worn this uniform.
RE: Some of you guys need to get the fuck over it.  
KWhite2250 : 12/5/2016 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13250473 arcarsenal said:
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The incessant whining about every single thing Beckham does is so tiresome. Wahhh he doesn't act like my favorite players did 30 years ago... he's not professional enough.. he dances too much... he doesn't care enough.. he complains too much..

It never ends.

You think this offense is struggling now? We would probably have the worst offense in football without him.

But hey, at least that "cancer" would be gone.


Nah our offense would be awesome because Stafford is amazing now without Calvin Johnson. Im sure Calvin is looked at as a cancer now for making Stafford force the ball to the best player on the team
RE: Sorry..  
Frankie in Flushing : 12/5/2016 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13250477 arcarsenal said:
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I can't take anyone seriously who thinks the Giants should release the best player on their roster.

You have zero credibility when you make comments like that because they're completely moronic. No other way to describe it.

The Giants are not releasing Beckham, the Giants will not release Beckham. It's not even within the same universe of anything realistic.

So, if that's your solution here, you should probably figure out that there's a 0% chance of it happening and move on and find another way to deal with watching the most talented WR that has ever worn this uniform.


Okay. Then they should trade him and get something for him.
RE: Sorry..  
guitarguybs12 : 12/5/2016 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13250477 arcarsenal said:
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I can't take anyone seriously who thinks the Giants should release the best player on their roster.

You have zero credibility when you make comments like that because they're completely moronic. No other way to describe it.

The Giants are not releasing Beckham, the Giants will not release Beckham. It's not even within the same universe of anything realistic.

So, if that's your solution here, you should probably figure out that there's a 0% chance of it happening and move on and find another way to deal with watching the most talented WR that has ever worn this uniform.


((Slow clap)) +1
RE: RE: RE: Some of those callers were beyond moronic  
KWhite2250 : 12/5/2016 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13250470 Frankie in Flushing said:
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Sub-moronic.

But Mike creates his hills to die on, and there's always one Giants player for him to do that: Strahan, Shockey and now Beckham.



I think Frankie in Flushing is probably one of those callers. I think Mike has planted callers just to further the discussion and I wouldnt be surprised if he had some of his workers on here posting shit too. We do know he gets his news from BBI as one of his sawces



Yes, yes, I secretly work for Francesa because I think OBJ has reached locker room cancer proportions. Jeez. Can't have a negative opinion about a bi-polar receiver with "me" issues.


Nope I put you in with the moronic over the top callers that were brought up. I mean you just said to release him? Thats about as fucking moronic as it gets
I have a hunch that many of the  
Chris684 : 12/5/2016 3:07 pm : link
people defending Beckham are the same ones who have Ezekiel Elliott on their fantasy "squads" and are conflicted about what to do on Sunday night because they want the Giants to win but Elliott rush for 200 yards.

Michael Strahan is beloved here and everywhere by Giants, and rightly so. He had an interesting take on the pregame about how Beckham spending the night before a game with Antonio Brown was a little bit over the top. You don't have to go back 30 years to find that point of view.
It's not gonna end well  
ghost718 : 12/5/2016 3:09 pm : link
You either see it or you don't.Those still holding out hope giving lectures are gonna be some of the most disappointed when the time comes.
OBJ and the Media  
Bluesbreaker : 12/5/2016 3:10 pm : link
Brown scores yet they watch OBJ so much that the camera
immediately pans to OBJ who is smiling they will stoop
at nothing to make him look bad .
o I like him doing that no not at all but rather than focus
on the game or the play break it down . Hell no we will
have none of that . We will let Buck the Fuck make his
cynical little comments and at the end of the game .
Put his dirty foot on top of the Giants about there glowing
playoff hope going down the tubes because they are playing
tougher teams .. And chuckles at the prospect of Dallas
coming to town to make a statement ....
RE: I have a hunch that many of the  
Vanzetti : 12/5/2016 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13250494 Chris684 said:
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people defending Beckham are the same ones who have Ezekiel Elliott on their fantasy "squads" and are conflicted about what to do on Sunday night because they want the Giants to win but Elliott rush for 200 yards.

Michael Strahan is beloved here and everywhere by Giants, and rightly so. He had an interesting take on the pregame about how Beckham spending the night before a game with Antonio Brown was a little bit over the top. You don't have to go back 30 years to find that point of view.


The Cowboy love on this site is truly bizarre.
I was waiting for that comment  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 3:10 pm : link
fans defending beckham are now fake fantasy fans, never gets old...

yeah i defend beckham, i am also such a diehard fan that when i have player up against the giants i bench him and put someone else in because i dont want to have to root for someone against the giantz...

i dont draft eagles, redskins or cowboys players...

last year in the semifinals i benched cam newton when the panthers played the giants..

dont be calling me a fake fan
RE: RE: RE: RE: Some of those callers were beyond moronic  
Frankie in Flushing : 12/5/2016 3:11 pm : link
In comment 13250486 KWhite2250 said:
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In comment 13250432 KWhite2250 said:


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Sub-moronic.

But Mike creates his hills to die on, and there's always one Giants player for him to do that: Strahan, Shockey and now Beckham.



I think Frankie in Flushing is probably one of those callers. I think Mike has planted callers just to further the discussion and I wouldnt be surprised if he had some of his workers on here posting shit too. We do know he gets his news from BBI as one of his sawces



Yes, yes, I secretly work for Francesa because I think OBJ has reached locker room cancer proportions. Jeez. Can't have a negative opinion about a bi-polar receiver with "me" issues.



Nope I put you in with the moronic over the top callers that were brought up. I mean you just said to release him? Thats about as fucking moronic as it gets


You want to keep him and keep up this Decade of Darkness. Yeah, I'm the moron. He's is a flash in the pan distraction. Get over your crush.
RE: It's not gonna end well  
Frankie in Flushing : 12/5/2016 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13250499 ghost718 said:
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You either see it or you don't.Those still holding out hope giving lectures are gonna be some of the most disappointed when the time comes.


Post of the day.
RE: Yea he was...  
UConn4523 : 12/5/2016 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13250402 Chris684 said:
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I guess Troy Aikman and Mike Francesa don't know what the hell they're talking about!

There's nothing to see with this guy Beckham! He's a model of class, self control and professionalism!


Outside of a few stupid penalties he actually is. Go check out what he does off the field too, but hey, don't let facts get in the way.
There's no other way  
Chris684 : 12/5/2016 3:16 pm : link
to describe how a Giants fan wouldnt be bothered by his man crush of Antonio Brown last night and following it up with another uneven performance and more childish behavior.

There is also no way those defending Beckham are sure his childish grin after the AB touchdown was of the "damn, now I have to one up him" variety any more than it was downright happy he scored a TD.
RE: There's no other way  
UConn4523 : 12/5/2016 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13250518 Chris684 said:
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to describe how a Giants fan wouldnt be bothered by his man crush of Antonio Brown last night and following it up with another uneven performance and more childish behavior.

There is also no way those defending Beckham are sure his childish grin after the AB touchdown was of the "damn, now I have to one up him" variety any more than it was downright happy he scored a TD.


Beckham also played catch with Dez during warmups in week 1, what's the difference?

These guys aren't going to war, they are playing a game. The sooner idiot fans realize that the better of places like BBI will be (never).
RE: There's no other way  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13250518 Chris684 said:
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to describe how a Giants fan wouldnt be bothered by his man crush of Antonio Brown last night and following it up with another uneven performance and more childish behavior.

There is also no way those defending Beckham are sure his childish grin after the AB touchdown was of the "damn, now I have to one up him" variety any more than it was downright happy he scored a TD.


got it i am a fake fan, thanks
RE: RE: There's no other way  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13250523 UConn4523 said:
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to describe how a Giants fan wouldnt be bothered by his man crush of Antonio Brown last night and following it up with another uneven performance and more childish behavior.

There is also no way those defending Beckham are sure his childish grin after the AB touchdown was of the "damn, now I have to one up him" variety any more than it was downright happy he scored a TD.



Beckham also played catch with Dez during warmups in week 1, what's the difference?

These guys aren't going to war, they are playing a game. The sooner idiot fans realize that the better of places like BBI will be (never).


fans on this site are loke fans of old wwf, that guy cant be friends with thay guy, one guy is a bad guy the other is a good guy, what is going on! they cant be friends, blaspheme..

Hey look  
Chris684 : 12/5/2016 3:20 pm : link
I'm not making any comparisons to war.

It's not just me, go back to yesterday's pregame, Strahan pretty much said the same thing.
As a Giants fan for over 50+ years  
Marty866b : 12/5/2016 3:20 pm : link
I love OBJ and if he wasn't on this team our offense may never score. He has some warts with his tantrums and out of control behavior but when I think of the excitement and thrills he's brought to this team it more then compensates for the warts. Please give me another receiver or two like him. Warts and all.
RE: Hey look  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13250531 Chris684 said:
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I'm not making any comparisons to war.

It's not just me, go back to yesterday's pregame, Strahan pretty much said the same thing.


strahan would laugh and shake hands after the game, win or lose, what is the difference?

what is the differencr between laughijg at an end zone celebration and laughing and smiling after a loss with the other team?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Some of those callers were beyond moronic  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/5/2016 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13250508 Frankie in Flushing said:
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You want to keep him and keep up this Decade of Darkness. Yeah, I'm the moron. He's is a flash in the pan distraction. Get over your crush.


"A flash in the pan distraction", "Decade of Darkness"... now I'm almost certain you're just trolling.
RE: Hey look  
RobCarpenter : 12/5/2016 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13250531 Chris684 said:
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I'm not making any comparisons to war.

It's not just me, go back to yesterday's pregame, Strahan pretty much said the same thing.


Strahan didn't criticize it, he just said he's wired differently.
RE: Hey look  
UConn4523 : 12/5/2016 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13250531 Chris684 said:
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I'm not making any comparisons to war.

It's not just me, go back to yesterday's pregame, Strahan pretty much said the same thing.


Its called an opinion. Strahan has one and I'm sure that worked for him throughout his career. It doesn't mean anything other than that.

If you don't like his relationship with other players in the NFL, that's fine. But don't act like its some rule of the game. These athletes are working in the entertainment industry, not sure if you knew that. They are going to be friends with opposing players.

Do you hate Von Miller for buying AFC West opponents wine? Von Miller is one of the most well liked guys in the league and is probably on friendly terms with many opposing start players.

I really don't know what to tell you.
you dont think other players hang out before games?  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 3:24 pm : link
lebron went to a fricken knicks game last year and sat court side and rooted for the knicks!

all players fratenize with opposing players, you just dont know about it because it was not on twitter...
Dont "play" fantasy  
KWhite2250 : 12/5/2016 3:25 pm : link
Nor do I have a crush. Just pointing out a moron for what he is. A decade of darkness? Give me a fucking break. They are 8-4 and probably going to the playoffs. You act like the team is the Browns with him on it. Fucking moron
I don't have a huge issue  
B in ALB : 12/5/2016 3:27 pm : link
with Beckham smiling at Brown's celebration. Maybe it was something they talked about the night before. And maybe OBJ had a dance prearranged as well. Maybe they had a little wager between the two of them. Today's athlete is so vastly different from those of 20-30 years ago that I see being brought up.

I mean - comparing Ewing/Oakley to this lot? Come on. Even Shockey - he wasn't in the same universe talent-wise compared to Beckham.

And I thought it was pretty evident from the jump that Beckham was being targeted by the officials. And it wasn't subtle. Mitchell is allowed to give a forearm shiver to his throat after the tackle is made and Beckham is on the ground? From that point on I knew he was in for a bad night with the zebras.

However, he just cannot seem to control himself. After EVERY SINGLE PLAY he throws up his hands looking for a flag. It's beyond ridiculous at this point. These old, white curmudgeons wearing black and white stripes are not going to put up with that and will retaliate in their own way.
One of my best friends is a Cowboys fan  
UConn4523 : 12/5/2016 3:27 pm : link
I should definitely discontinue my friendship and show him I mean business.
Alb  
UConn4523 : 12/5/2016 3:29 pm : link
to be fair, Brady does this a lot. Its a running joke for the past 10 years with my 2 friends who are Pats fans. Brady asks for every call.

I'm not excusing it, it gets tiresome, but Beckham is one of many who does this and a lot of them are star players (Brady, Rodgers, Dez, Sherman, the list goes on and on). The only difference is Beckham isn't getting these calls like most of the other star players.
RE: Dont  
Frankie in Flushing : 12/5/2016 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13250547 KWhite2250 said:
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Nor do I have a crush. Just pointing out a moron for what he is. A decade of darkness? Give me a fucking break. They are 8-4 and probably going to the playoffs. You act like the team is the Browns with him on it. Fucking moron


The Giants will finish 9 - 7 and miss the playoffs. But don't worry. Eli will be forced to throw to OBJ 627 times so that he gets to 1,500 yards and can dance more. Yaaaay for dancing.
RE: RE: Hey look  
Giants2012 : 12/5/2016 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13250542 RobCarpenter said:
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I'm not making any comparisons to war.

It's not just me, go back to yesterday's pregame, Strahan pretty much said the same thing.



Strahan didn't criticize it, he just said he's wired differently.
. He said it's a different mentality when asked if he didn't like it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Some of those callers were beyond moronic  
therealmf : 12/5/2016 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13250508 Frankie in Flushing said:
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In comment 13250486 KWhite2250 said:


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You want to keep him and keep up this Decade of Darkness. Yeah, I'm the moron. He's is a flash in the pan distraction. Get over your crush.


Please oh please give me ten decades of darkness like the last ten years. With only two championships in the decade to keep me warm.

Idiot statement.

Plus Beckham is in his 3rd year. Not sure how he caused a decade of darkness if there even was one.
i guess mcadoo is wrong to  
nygiants16 : 12/5/2016 3:43 pm : link
when asked about beckham smiling, he said " ok you got yours, now it is time to get mine type of thing"

guess he doesnt knkw what he is looking at either
RE: I don't have a huge issue  
Giants_ROK : 12/5/2016 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13250552 B in ALB said:
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with Beckham smiling at Brown's celebration. Maybe it was something they talked about the night before. And maybe OBJ had a dance prearranged as well. Maybe they had a little wager between the two of them. Today's athlete is so vastly different from those of 20-30 years ago that I see being brought up.

I mean - comparing Ewing/Oakley to this lot? Come on. Even Shockey - he wasn't in the same universe talent-wise compared to Beckham.

And I thought it was pretty evident from the jump that Beckham was being targeted by the officials. And it wasn't subtle. Mitchell is allowed to give a forearm shiver to his throat after the tackle is made and Beckham is on the ground? From that point on I knew he was in for a bad night with the zebras.

However, he just cannot seem to control himself. After EVERY SINGLE PLAY he throws up his hands looking for a flag. It's beyond ridiculous at this point. These old, white curmudgeons wearing black and white stripes are not going to put up with that and will retaliate in their own way.


My thoughts exactly, top to bottom. Beckham is not endearing himself to the officials and I'm not sure he ever will. It's in his and the team's best interest to just hustle back to the huddle after the play.
RE: RE: I don't have a huge issue  
therealmf : 12/5/2016 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13250617 Giants_ROK said:
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In comment 13250552 B in ALB said:


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with Beckham smiling at Brown's celebration. Maybe it was something they talked about the night before. And maybe OBJ had a dance prearranged as well. Maybe they had a little wager between the two of them. Today's athlete is so vastly different from those of 20-30 years ago that I see being brought up.

I mean - comparing Ewing/Oakley to this lot? Come on. Even Shockey - he wasn't in the same universe talent-wise compared to Beckham.

And I thought it was pretty evident from the jump that Beckham was being targeted by the officials. And it wasn't subtle. Mitchell is allowed to give a forearm shiver to his throat after the tackle is made and Beckham is on the ground? From that point on I knew he was in for a bad night with the zebras.

However, he just cannot seem to control himself. After EVERY SINGLE PLAY he throws up his hands looking for a flag. It's beyond ridiculous at this point. These old, white curmudgeons wearing black and white stripes are not going to put up with that and will retaliate in their own way.



My thoughts exactly, top to bottom. Beckham is not endearing himself to the officials and I'm not sure he ever will. It's in his and the team's best interest to just hustle back to the huddle after the play.


This happens all the time. Did you not see the Pittsburgh defense run at the officials after the Tye flag? They were upset and showing it. You never saw a WR looking at an official with open arms?
Plus, officials are supposed to be fair regardless of previous experiences. Part of their job.
Two things: Does anyone find Francesser's use of "Deep Backs"  
drkenneth : 12/5/2016 3:56 pm : link
annoying? It sounds like he heard a HC say that years ago, and now runs with it.

And Mike's need to constantly remind the audience he doesn't like Shockey is pathetic.
threalmf:  
Giants_ROK : 12/5/2016 3:57 pm : link
Yes, some WRs are like soccer players in that respect. Officials, while they should be impartial, are human. Beckham, and others who act in a similar fashion, need to cool their jets a bit.
You guys say it s personal with Mike  
joeinpa : 12/5/2016 3:59 pm : link
As you make Personal insults towards him like some middle schooler. Hilarious.
I actually thought mikes take was dead on (outside of OBJ)  
mattlawson : 12/5/2016 4:01 pm : link
about why we lost the game. and its obvious to everyone here... no OL, RB, or TE production.

the only point i disagree with is his take that the over reliance on OBJ goes to his head. frankly he should have been targeted more in the first half and it's a mistake to believe our other weapons can impact the game as much as OBJ. they can't and they don't.

when the opposing good defense can cover our guys, double OBJ, and we still can't run the ball or get it to the TE - we have a problem. and that's exactly what the Steelers did yesterday. dared us to run the ball and we really couldn't save a couple.
Ugh  
Eman11 : 12/5/2016 4:02 pm : link
Just tuned back in hoping to hear other football talk only to hear Mikey say he wasn't saying OBJ was rooting for AB but he was celebrating him scoring. WTF? Where does he get that shit from? Did anyone really think OBJ was celebrating AB there? Anyone can interpret his smile however they want but there's was zero celebrating going on there that I could see.

He's clearly forcing some type of anti Odell agenda for calls or whatever his crazy reason is.
Beckham needs to grow up. You don't curry favor with the refs by  
Victor in CT : 12/5/2016 4:03 pm : link
complaining after every play. You don't help your team by firing a ball at the opponents bench risking a PF flag. At least McAdoo addressed that.

Do you think that there isn't at least a thought in Cruz and others minds that Beckham's whining and screaming is the reason that nobody else saw the ball in the 2nd half? This is Shockey all over again. How many times do we see Bobby Hart have to drag him away from trouble? Do you see any of this shit from Antonio Brown, aside from his TD dance that Odell so admired? NO.

Beckham had 1 legit gripe in that game: the late hit. Everything else was him acting like a spoiled child.
RE: i guess mcadoo is wrong to  
OBJ_AllDay : 12/5/2016 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13250603 nygiants16 said:
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when asked about beckham smiling, he said " ok you got yours, now it is time to get mine type of thing"

guess he doesnt knkw what he is looking at either


except.... McAdoo is right! cam did the same thing when beckham scored to tie the game last year.
RE: Beckham needs to grow up. You don't curry favor with the refs by  
Eman11 : 12/5/2016 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13250657 Victor in CT said:
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complaining after every play. You don't help your team by firing a ball at the opponents bench risking a PF flag. At least McAdoo addressed that.

Do you think that there isn't at least a thought in Cruz and others minds that Beckham's whining and screaming is the reason that nobody else saw the ball in the 2nd half? This is Shockey all over again. How many times do we see Bobby Hart have to drag him away from trouble? Do you see any of this shit from Antonio Brown, aside from his TD dance that Odell so admired? NO.

Beckham had 1 legit gripe in that game: the late hit. Everything else was him acting like a spoiled child.


I don't like the constant complaining either but I think he had at least three more legit gripes.

1) he was being held/grabbed all the way down the sideline but he gets called for OPI when he fights the guys hands off of him. How many times do we ever see OPI called for that? We usually only see it on an obvious push off/arm extending type play.

2) his hand was definitely held on the one pass into the end zone

3) he was also hit early and clearly grabbed around the waist and turned on another pass over the middle.
RE: RE: Beckham needs to grow up. You don't curry favor with the refs by  
OBJ_AllDay : 12/5/2016 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13250670 Eman11 said:
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In comment 13250657 Victor in CT said:


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complaining after every play. You don't help your team by firing a ball at the opponents bench risking a PF flag. At least McAdoo addressed that.

Do you think that there isn't at least a thought in Cruz and others minds that Beckham's whining and screaming is the reason that nobody else saw the ball in the 2nd half? This is Shockey all over again. How many times do we see Bobby Hart have to drag him away from trouble? Do you see any of this shit from Antonio Brown, aside from his TD dance that Odell so admired? NO.

Beckham had 1 legit gripe in that game: the late hit. Everything else was him acting like a spoiled child.



I don't like the constant complaining either but I think he had at least three more legit gripes.

1) he was being held/grabbed all the way down the sideline but he gets called for OPI when he fights the guys hands off of him. How many times do we ever see OPI called for that? We usually only see it on an obvious push off/arm extending type play.

2) his hand was definitely held on the one pass into the end zone

3) he was also hit early and clearly grabbed around the waist and turned on another pass over the middle.


don't forget the forearm to the throat following being tackled...
RE: Beckham needs to grow up. You don't curry favor with the refs by  
therealmf : 12/5/2016 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13250657 Victor in CT said:
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complaining after every play. You don't help your team by firing a ball at the opponents bench risking a PF flag. At least McAdoo addressed that.

Do you think that there isn't at least a thought in Cruz and others minds that Beckham's whining and screaming is the reason that nobody else saw the ball in the 2nd half? This is Shockey all over again. How many times do we see Bobby Hart have to drag him away from trouble? Do you see any of this shit from Antonio Brown, aside from his TD dance that Odell so admired? NO.

Beckham had 1 legit gripe in that game: the late hit. Everything else was him acting like a spoiled child.


This year Antonio Brown has been penalized and fined twice for "sexually suggestive" behavior on the field. So, yeah, I have seen AB do stupid shit.
Great Thread  
Rjanyg : 12/5/2016 4:38 pm : link
My take: for those of you wanting to get rid of OBJ, you are ridiculous. Go be a Cowboys fan please!

OBJ is a freak WR, the best the Giants have had in their history and he isn't done yet. He is much smarter than you give him credit for. He is a tough SOB who plays with an intensity we have not seen since Lawrence Taylor.

Refs are not going to give him much help after last year which is a shame. The refs have a job to do and that officiate evenly and fairly and they can't seem to get past the Carolina game. This is just another example of how piss poor the officiating is getting in the NFL. Part time, old officials for a professional sport which by design is to make games closer and teams more even by adhering to a salary cap. These games are coming down to one or 2 plays and the refs are having way to much influence on the outcome of these games.

Finally, Fat Mike is a blow hard. I can't stand how smug he is in all of this. He loves to hear himself talk as if he is the all knowing king of sports radio. I hope Eli cancels on him after this interview at 5pm.



RE: Great Thread  
Frankie in Flushing : 12/5/2016 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13250731 Rjanyg said:
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My take: for those of you wanting to get rid of OBJ, you are ridiculous. Go be a Cowboys fan please!

OBJ is a freak WR, the best the Giants have had in their history and he isn't done yet. He is much smarter than you give him credit for. He is a tough SOB who plays with an intensity we have not seen since Lawrence Taylor.

Refs are not going to give him much help after last year which is a shame. The refs have a job to do and that officiate evenly and fairly and they can't seem to get past the Carolina game. This is just another example of how piss poor the officiating is getting in the NFL. Part time, old officials for a professional sport which by design is to make games closer and teams more even by adhering to a salary cap. These games are coming down to one or 2 plays and the refs are having way to much influence on the outcome of these games.

Finally, Fat Mike is a blow hard. I can't stand how smug he is in all of this. He loves to hear himself talk as if he is the all knowing king of sports radio. I hope Eli cancels on him after this interview at 5pm.

"He is a tough SOB who plays with an intensity we have not seen since Lawrence Taylor." Ah yes, the LT comparisons. Makes sense since LT was so cheery when his friends Reggie White and Chris Doleman would sack Phil Simms. I remember the time he smiled after Simms was peeled off the turf after getting sacked by Dexter Manley. When questioned after the game, LT said, "I love watching him play. I love watching him celebrate. I love seeing him just smile, have fun."

LT then whipped and nae nae'd.

Some of BBI'ers  
chuckydee9 : 12/5/2016 4:51 pm : link
are way more immature than OBJ.. Seriously there is nothing wrong with asking refs for a few calls...
Eli threw 39 times for 195 yards..
OBJ was targeted 16 times and produced 100 yards..
rest of the team were targeted 23 times and produced 95 yards between them..

OBJ >> Rest of our receivers combined

that is inspite of the fact that OBJ cannot threaten the teams deep anymore since the OL won't hold up and we have no running game or TE's that scare LBs.. So realistically the only reason we didn't look like a college team playing offense in the NFL was because of him.. Fat Mike and all the haters have no real evidence of anything else .. so they call him immature.. Lets get some real LT, a QB that plays to his past levels, a competent TE or RB in here.. Don't blame the loss on OBJ yesterday..
RE: RE: Great Thread  
Rjanyg : 12/5/2016 10:07 pm : link
In comment 13250746 Frankie in Flushing said:
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In comment 13250731 Rjanyg said:


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My take: for those of you wanting to get rid of OBJ, you are ridiculous. Go be a Cowboys fan please!

OBJ is a freak WR, the best the Giants have had in their history and he isn't done yet. He is much smarter than you give him credit for. He is a tough SOB who plays with an intensity we have not seen since Lawrence Taylor.

Refs are not going to give him much help after last year which is a shame. The refs have a job to do and that officiate evenly and fairly and they can't seem to get past the Carolina game. This is just another example of how piss poor the officiating is getting in the NFL. Part time, old officials for a professional sport which by design is to make games closer and teams more even by adhering to a salary cap. These games are coming down to one or 2 plays and the refs are having way to much influence on the outcome of these games.

Finally, Fat Mike is a blow hard. I can't stand how smug he is in all of this. He loves to hear himself talk as if he is the all knowing king of sports radio. I hope Eli cancels on him after this interview at 5pm.

"He is a tough SOB who plays with an intensity we have not seen since Lawrence Taylor." Ah yes, the LT comparisons. Makes sense since LT was so cheery when his friends Reggie White and Chris Doleman would sack Phil Simms. I remember the time he smiled after Simms was peeled off the turf after getting sacked by Dexter Manley. When questioned after the game, LT said, "I love watching him play. I love watching him celebrate. I love seeing him just smile, have fun."

LT then whipped and nae nae'd.

Frankie, go be a Dez Bryant loving, Zek Elliott, Dak Prescott Cowgirl Fan. You will fit right in.

LOL @ people wanting to get rid of Odell...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/6/2016 7:05 am : link
Sure, that'll solve all of our problems...

Let's just take our best player, easily one of the better players in the league, off our team & everything will come together.

Fuck off with OBJ needing to sweet talk the officials to get calls,  
Shirk130 : 12/6/2016 7:47 am : link
their job is to get the calls right. If they don't, they won't be refs for long. Fans complaining about OBJ are the same fans who blame Melo for all that is wrong with the Knicks, and are the same that blamed Ewing for not winning a championship. They would be perfect writing for the trash that is the Daily News.
RE: Great Thread  
Giants2012 : 12/6/2016 8:12 am : link
In comment 13250731 Rjanyg said:
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My take: for those of you wanting to get rid of OBJ, you are ridiculous. Go be a Cowboys fan please!

OBJ is a freak WR, the best the Giants have had in their history and he isn't done yet. He is much smarter than you give him credit for. He is a tough SOB who plays with an intensity we have not seen since Lawrence Taylor.

Refs are not going to give him much help after last year which is a shame. The refs have a job to do and that officiate evenly and fairly and they can't seem to get past the Carolina game. This is just another example of how piss poor the officiating is getting in the NFL. Part time, old officials for a professional sport which by design is to make games closer and teams more even by adhering to a salary cap. These games are coming down to one or 2 plays and the refs are having way to much influence on the outcome of these games.

Finally, Fat Mike is a blow hard. I can't stand how smug he is in all of this. He loves to hear himself talk as if he is the all knowing king of sports radio. I hope Eli cancels on him after this interview at 5pm.




You scare me

Today is a special day  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 12/6/2016 8:34 am : link
You will have a Beningo Special and then Mike taking hisa particular glee in the Jets embarrassing themselves on national TV.
Hahahaha  
Sonic Youth : 12/6/2016 8:38 am : link
holy shit, people want to release Beckham?

How fucking stupid. There is no argument for that. It's idiotic, and you should all feel bad for posting something so fucking atrociously and bizarrely retarded.
Usually the few days after a loss like this  
aimrocky : 12/6/2016 8:44 am : link
I avoid most media outlets until I've mentally moved onto the next week. Today I'll be playing music at work instead of big Mike.
RE: Usually the few days after a loss like this  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2016 8:52 am : link
In comment 13251339 aimrocky said:
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I avoid most media outlets until I've mentally moved onto the next week. Today I'll be playing music at work instead of big Mike.


in this case i am not listenkng to anything when it comes to giants, as soon as the host starts talking giants i am turning it off...

all it is going to be is about how the cowboys are going to murder the giants, i actually hope the giants players watch, because they are going to get zero respect going into this game
People wonder..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/6/2016 9:00 am : link
why fans get labeled as stupid.

You don't have to wonder with fucksticks like this:
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I'm over it. I'm over it so much I think the Giants should release him. And I'm not the one crying and cursing.


By the way - the people pissed he was yukking it up over Brown - were they also pissed when he played catch with Dez before the Cowboys game?

Or how does that work? Since we won, it is OK, but Cowboy fans should be pissed at Dez and want him released?

What are the rules regarding complete and moronic overreactions?
there are some really, REALLY dumb assholes on this board  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2016 9:10 am : link
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RE: People wonder..  
Frankie in Flushing : 12/6/2016 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13251363 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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why fans get labeled as stupid.

You don't have to wonder with fucksticks like this:


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I'm over it. I'm over it so much I think the Giants should release him. And I'm not the one crying and cursing.



By the way - the people pissed he was yukking it up over Brown - were they also pissed when he played catch with Dez before the Cowboys game?

Or how does that work? Since we won, it is OK, but Cowboy fans should be pissed at Dez and want him released?

What are the rules regarding complete and moronic overreactions?


Yes.
I love..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/6/2016 3:38 pm : link
when somebody doubles down on being a moron.

Makes it easy to know what kind of idiocy I'll expect to see in the future.
RE: RE: RE: this is (especially) ridiculous  
dboom : 12/6/2016 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13250367 Eman11 said:
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In comment 13250352 Sy'56 said:


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In comment 13250306 giants#1 said:


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Beckham would be mad if the Giants scored 40 and he wasn't involved



Since Beckham has actually been fined this year for celebrating his teammates accomplishments too much (e.g. Cruz's first TD back)



He was also pretty pumped about Antonio Brown's TD yesterday.



Sorry but I couldn't disagree more. I don't think he was pumped or smiling because AB scored. I think it was at his celebration/dance he got a kick out of or even a bit of a nervous energy type of thing. Like ok, you got one now it's my turn.

There's no way I think he was actually happy AB scored.



You're a complete fucking idiot if you really believe that....
RE: Great Thread  
dboom : 12/6/2016 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13250731 Rjanyg said:
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My take: for those of you wanting to get rid of OBJ, you are ridiculous. Go be a Cowboys fan please!

OBJ is a freak WR, the best the Giants have had in their history and he isn't done yet. He is much smarter than you give him credit for. He is a tough SOB who plays with an intensity we have not seen since Lawrence Taylor.

Refs are not going to give him much help after last year which is a shame. The refs have a job to do and that officiate evenly and fairly and they can't seem to get past the Carolina game. This is just another example of how piss poor the officiating is getting in the NFL. Part time, old officials for a professional sport which by design is to make games closer and teams more even by adhering to a salary cap. These games are coming down to one or 2 plays and the refs are having way to much influence on the outcome of these games.

Finally, Fat Mike is a blow hard. I can't stand how smug he is in all of this. He loves to hear himself talk as if he is the all knowing king of sports radio. I hope Eli cancels on him after this interview at 5pm.





I don't remember Lawrence Taylor crying like a bitch on the sidelines.... Or celebrating when the opposing team scores.
And I haven't seen Beckham...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/6/2016 3:49 pm : link
do coke before games, go on lengthy benders and have sex with 16 year olds.

Your point?
RE: And I haven't seen Beckham...  
dboom : 12/6/2016 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13252190 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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do coke before games, go on lengthy benders and have sex with 16 year olds.

Your point?


My point is your a fucking idiot if you think there's anything similar between LT and this whiny little cunt... LT went out and single-handedly won games... He took his frustrations out on QB's, he didn't go crying to the refs and the media.

Francesa is 100% right.

RE: RE: And I haven't seen Beckham...  
Les in TO : 12/6/2016 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13252209 dboom said:
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In comment 13252190 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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do coke before games, go on lengthy benders and have sex with 16 year olds.

Your point?



My point is your a fucking idiot if you think there's anything similar between LT and this whiny little cunt... LT went out and single-handedly won games... He took his frustrations out on QB's, he didn't go crying to the refs and the media.

Francesa is 100% right.
Beckham single handedly has won games for the Giants this season despite being consistently double and triple teamed.
Comparing to Taylor is just comical  
Giants2012 : 12/6/2016 4:14 pm : link
Compare the kid to a WR at least. Stop with the ridiculous Taylor comparisons as there is nothing revolutionary about how defense is now played b/c of Beckham whereas the entire league changed offensively b/c of Taylor.

Com'on people. Some don't even consider him the best WR in the league whereas Taylor was far and away the most disruptive force the league had seen. Nobody knew what to do.
Beckham issues  
gmenatlarge : 12/7/2016 7:25 am : link
While I wasn't crazy about him on the sideline during Brown's TD, what bothered me was his on-field mistake of continuing to fight for yardage when it was evident it wasn't there. He lost 6-7 yards at a critical point turning a short yardage situation into 3rd and long, not smart! In addition he needs to work the refs with some intelligence and not just whine, he should be creating PI's on the D not getting them called on himself, he's too good for that.
Tried to explain my opinion at the time but  
SethFromAstoria : 12/7/2016 8:39 am : link
I just wanted to quickly get pissed and not think about it anymore. Someone smart already said that this is why many athletes don't want to play here. I think its true but I think the main result is that it's harder to go through the process of winning championships here.

Even though some people can't get past the image of Beckham making a jackass of himself against the Panthers in the blessed Giants uniform, what strikes me is how many Giants fans didn't defend him because he's loud. This young kid had never even had a bad word written about his work ethic nor his effort nor his teammates liking him. Suddenly he was a me first player because a loudmouth who couldn't compete on the field had to find a way to take him off his game. From that point forward you look at it from his perspective and its been a consistent attempt to make him a lazy, selfish, me first "typical" athlete.

Meanwhile all he does is work his ass off, teammates can't answer the question enough times: "is he a problem???" "No we love Odell and he works as hard as anyone". But no the media can't tolerate that. I posted an example the other day and it summed it up. Brown was shut down by our d, had 6 catches for 55 yards and a td where i think he was out of bounds but ok. Odell was triple teamed and interfered with 10 times but had 10 catches on 16 targets and 100 yards.

What did the media focus on? Anyone think he was clapping and smiling because he was laughing at how Brown was shut down but got a TD and he was all over the field but couldn't get a flag, nor a td? Did anyone discuss his more productive day while ELi had no RB rushing 29 times, no TE catching 130 yards worth. People saying he shouldnt complain for flags? Seriously? WHat WR does;t ask for flags? What star WR gets called for offensive PI on one on one coverage when hes being held up the field? This unstoppable pass-catching machine needs to foul a CB instead of just beating him for a ball? This WR who had 10 catches and could have had 15 got how many calls?

The personal agenda shit is a disgrace and it takes away from a WR who has done record breaking things. Because he has a wild haircut and because he is intense on the field? Something really messed up about it all.
All you need to know..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/7/2016 8:47 am : link
about the respect the refs give Beckham was on that OPI flag. While even jackasses like TO, Ochocinco and Irvin were allowed to push off at will, Beckham gets called for interference on a play where he is being grabbed 3/4th of the route.

And being that this was the same crew that did the Carolina game last year - you can bet there is bias there and they shouldn't be allowed to work another Giants game, plain and simple.

When you hold a player to a higher standard, it is almost always the "star player" standard where they get away with things. Beckham gets away with nothing and actually gets called for things he doesn't do.

It is absolutely absurd.
I thought that was a shit call when I saw the 1st angle. Afetr  
Victor in CT : 12/7/2016 9:07 am : link
seeing the replay from the back side, I still thought it was wrong, but I could understand what the official.

1 superstar player in my lifetime was held, literally and figuratively, to a higher standard: Lawrence Taylor. Held, mugged on EVERY play. IF they could get their hands on him that is.
understand what the official SAW.  
Victor in CT : 12/7/2016 9:08 am : link
my typing is getting worse by the day
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