I'm sure that some of you noticed last night how often Tye was lined up on Flowers' side and absolutely never offered a chip or a shoulder to Harrison - but instead simply released and ran his route. To me, this is a real head-scratcher especially after we see some struggles with Flowers handling a much shorter rusher from the LB/DE spot. Tye HAS to chip there to either slow down or blow Harrison off his point of attack. Instead, right off the snap he releases and offers nothing in the way of blocking.
As for Flowers, he once again struggled against an opponent who is either much quicker or can play with such leverage that it makes it very difficult to get his hands engaged properly. Harrison is about 6'0" - probably more like 5'11" or less without the helmet and can get underneath Flowers who struggles bending at the knees and offering a solid base. And honestly, it's not that difficult a technique by the oncoming rusher. This affects him shooting his hands, allows for some sloppy footwork and can lead to a "holding" call. How many times did Harrison attempt a bullrush and get to the QB? Zero?
All that said, I watched him absolutely maul Harrison at times. When he was able to get a good kick step, punch, and engagement Harrison was thrown around like a rag doll. Not sure how many pressures he allowed last night - but it wasn't a ton. Maybe 6? And again, the revolving door at LG continues. Stability at that position, no assistance from his TE and at times poor technique are leading to some really crazy opinions on this site. Bench him, release him, bust this bust that. Madness.
And I think it's beyond clear that Eli Manning is having issues throwing the ball. You see him put everything into a throw and it's a wounded duck. I don't know if it's his shoulder, his back leg, or another injury - or just Father Time - but he cannot chuck it like he used to. The intermediate touch ball down the sideline of 35 yards - he's money. Anything beyond that is a prayer. Then you look at his footwork. At times, he is more skittish than he's ever been and this obviously affects his accuracy. He can still sling it at times - hitting a receiver in stride in tight windows - but he's having a rough go of it, missing some easy throws.
And I saw a little Laveon Bell in Paul Perkins last night - delaying hitting the hole for just a bit before exploding through the line and offering some wiggle. A very different runner than Jennings who needs to get better at pass blocking. I think we have a good one in this kid.
Please don't bring in Donnell, line him up at the slot position in the RZ after being out for several weeks, and expect the defense not to know what you're looking for. The LB got proper enough depth to take advantage of a poor throw and there was a Safety there to clean it up if Timmons doesn't get a hand on the ball. Poorly designed and executed play by McAdoo and the offense. Right there is the exact time to use Donnell as the decoy. Red Zone offense was a fucking JOKE last night.
Lastly, I noticed Shepard and the "glove" thing - pretty interesting that he is still tipping off plays.
Many fools on this site.
So if he doesn't pass muster in another year, move him to ORT or inside a la Gallery?
Two toughest positions on the field - LT and QB - and they require a bit of patience.
Jon, I think the middle of the OL (Richburg and Jerry) is the bigger issue. Teams are on to the fact that Richburg is not stout and running right at him. Was curious what you think.
As for Eli, his mechanics are off because he is suffering from battered QB syndrome. If you look at his feet he's all jumpy. Bad fundamentals.
While I appreciate everything you said, but I'm sorry, you cant risk jeopardizing another season if he doesnt develop enough in 2017. Yes he's still young, and has a lots of potential, but sometimes you cant wait on potential for too long.
I agree, you do pencil him at LT during training camp & pre-season (maybe 3-4 games into the season MAX), but there has to be a Plan B on the roster, just in case. To be stuck with his ups and downs for another full season would be crazy
Has the same unit started more than a few games over the course of this season? They've had what - 5 or 6 different LGs this year?
And I think this offensive scheme makes it very easy to gameplan against for the Front 7 of the opposing defense. I'd love to be in the film room the week of a game vs the Giants. If we can pick out some of this stuff from the couch - imagine having an entire staff breaking down film.
they use 2-3 TE's blocking and quess who coach is?
Pope, teaching old Giants line techniques..
In all seriousness, I echoed someone else who said it might not be a bad thing to sit Flowers, because he reverts to horrible form on speed rush way to often, to my eyes. I think he has the goods to be great. But he has to be more consistent... and I don't think it's a bad thing as a punishment to bench him to get the message - IF - Pugh was healthy. Eli is off because he does not trust the protection... so even when it's good he is rushing his progressions and throws. IMO.
I'm not sure how these problems will be fixed with another year. You either have the footwork to play LT, or you don't. Technique can compensate to some extent for marginal footwork, but his right now is bad, and his technique is also poor.
I understand why the Giants won't move or bench him this year, but they should at least give him some help on occasion. Absent radical improvement the rest of the year, I would look to move him to RT or RG next season.
Eli may be hurt from the hits he took against the Redskins and Bears. Or it may just be cumulative hits over the years. But he doesn't look the same.
Everybody knew we'd throw to Donnell. He should have been a decoy.
As for Eli, the problem has to be injury or time. His accuracy issues have always been there but unlike the past, he seldom overthrows a receiver on a deep route.
As for Eli, his mechanics are off because he is suffering from battered QB syndrome. If you look at his feet he's all jumpy. Bad fundamentals.
Flat out bullshit battered QB syndrome. Eli was no more harassed than Ben. On one play, Eli for some reason panicked and threw a ball at Tye's feet when nobody was near him and any reasonable throw was any easy 1st down. I have no idea wtf he is doing, but he gets happy feet for no reason, and at other times (fewer and fewer) stands in a throws. It was clear the difference between the two last night. Roethlisberger will stand there and make a play taking the hit and Eli no longer is willing to do so. I'm not saying it is perfect for Eli in the pocket, but he is one of the least sacked and hit QBs in football. Hell last night he even escaped the pocket a few times and had time. Even on the throw to Shepard for the 2nd INT he got out and then badly under threw the ball. This is not the same Eli we remember.
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As for Eli, his mechanics are off because he is suffering from battered QB syndrome. If you look at his feet he's all jumpy. Bad fundamentals.
Flat out bullshit battered QB syndrome. Eli was no more harassed than Ben. On one play, Eli for some reason panicked and threw a ball at Tye's feet when nobody was near him and any reasonable throw was any easy 1st down. I have no idea wtf he is doing, but he gets happy feet for no reason, and at other times (fewer and fewer) stands in a throws. It was clear the difference between the two last night. Roethlisberger will stand there and make a play taking the hit and Eli no longer is willing to do so. I'm not saying it is perfect for Eli in the pocket, but he is one of the least sacked and hit QBs in football. Hell last night he even escaped the pocket a few times and had time. Even on the throw to Shepard for the 2nd INT he got out and then badly under threw the ball. This is not the same Eli we remember.
He was throwing across his body to the opposite side of the field, on the run without having an opportunity to get his feet set....
Of course the ball will be under thrown...duh
Terrible example
RB was used to chip Harrison especially on pass plays or
designed down field plays . I am not a big supporter of
Flowers but he certainly is not getting away with the same
shit I see T. Smith from Dallas . The last one I remember was
EF got flagged for tossing a DE down something that Smith does
numerous times every game .
I think this crew had an agenda with OBJ and the giants
stemming from last year . Add in the comment to OBJ from the
Official maybe I am reaching but it makes you wonder .
All the talent in the world isn't going to make you listen. Technique change is about breaking your muscle memories and being humble while the change occurs. He is out over his toes, dips his head, and he grabs instead of punches. He's athletic enough to kick slide, but that requires him have some balance with knee bend.
He needs a ton of work. Is he humble enough to make it work? I hope he's getting lit up in film study, and he puts in an off-season of work. He'll be an interesting case in self improvement.
He played the ball like someone who completely lacks instincts. I don't think we have much in this kid. He flashed early but has done nothing since. Solid back up. Which is fine for a sixth round pick. Just don't expect anything beyond that.
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He played the ball like someone who completely lacks instincts. I don't think we have much in this kid. He flashed early but has done nothing since. Solid back up. Which is fine for a sixth round pick. Just don't expect anything beyond that.
Amazing how you someone's entire career figured out after one play
If there was an IQ test to post on this site, you'd be permanently banned
Possibly - but you're not completely correct. Eli can call that in the huddle. Regardless, it was apparent that Flowers needed some help - especially on obvious passing downs.
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As for Eli, his mechanics are off because he is suffering from battered QB syndrome. If you look at his feet he's all jumpy. Bad fundamentals.
Flat out bullshit battered QB syndrome. Eli was no more harassed than Ben. On one play, Eli for some reason panicked and threw a ball at Tye's feet when nobody was near him and any reasonable throw was any easy 1st down. I have no idea wtf he is doing, but he gets happy feet for no reason, and at other times (fewer and fewer) stands in a throws. It was clear the difference between the two last night. Roethlisberger will stand there and make a play taking the hit and Eli no longer is willing to do so. I'm not saying it is perfect for Eli in the pocket, but he is one of the least sacked and hit QBs in football. Hell last night he even escaped the pocket a few times and had time. Even on the throw to Shepard for the 2nd INT he got out and then badly under threw the ball. This is not the same Eli we remember.
He was throwing across his body to the opposite side of the field, on the run without having an opportunity to get his feet set....
Of course the ball will be under thrown...duh
Terrible example
No a perfect example. Eli under threw several times Sunday.
Was it a tough throw? Yes absolutely. He's not John Elway strong, but he has (or had) a very strong arm.
BTW, here's the replay. He throws from the 35 and gets picked at the 6. Shepard was open if the ball reaches the goal line. Ball is probably in the air 35/40 yards - the velocity looks good, but not enough air. 5 yards further and it is probably a TD.
Eli 2nd INT - ( New Window )
chip the fking guy and get on your route... its not like we are sending him downfield
Perhaps, his college experience should have given us some clues. He played 13 games at LT in his Sophomore year. His Junior year he only started 5 games at LT. The other games he played in other positions on the OL or was injured. Even still the games still count in his development. Overall, the young man has played 45 games at LT. His fundamental technique should not be this bad with 45 games under his belt.
That being said, he's our LT for this season. Competition needs to be brought in for next year whether it is a draft pick, FA, or Pugh. Let the best earn the spot. If it is Flowers, then so be it.
Man has some talent, good straight-line speed, bulky build. Yes he is a little (we are talking 1 inch here) short.
Came into the League as a UDFA with a senior year at perennial powerhouse SUNY Stony Brook. No one has argued that he has phenomenal TE physical talent, but if used correctly he might have starter talent and appears to have bottom of roster talent for sure.
Personnel people would tell you that if the kid is not a natural, and he is not, he will need 2 years to be a worthwhile pro player.