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Eli is losing the chess match......

sxdxca : 12/5/2016 10:24 pm
What I mean by this

On 2nd and 4 when he threw the pick. The Steelers were only rushing 3 , and dropped 8 into coverage. At that point its almost impossible to throw into that on a short field.

Instead he should've audibled to a shotgun draw , and our 5 linemen would've beaten there 3. Jennings easily would've had a first or close to it.

Secondly , several times in the game the Steelers cb were playing 10-15 yards off the line of scrimmage on Odell. Why wasn't he audibling to a quick strike to Odell. He easily could've had 5-8 yard catches. Then it would've forced the steelers cb's to play him tight which would've opened up the slant.

I have one other point but curious as to what you fellow Giant fans think?



Maybe the disguised the scheme well  
giantgiantfan : 12/5/2016 10:36 pm : link
there, give em some credit, Eli is not a mind reader. I just felt the game was over there. Brutal.
Eli's playing down a Bishop and a Rook, at a minimum.  
yatqb : 12/5/2016 10:36 pm : link
I agree that he sometimes f's up, but it's hard for me to see him trying to win games with one great player and a bunch of JAGs (or worse) on offense.

Think of how we'd be doing with Fitzpatrick or some of the other QBs around...not very well, imo.
RE: Maybe the disguised the scheme well  
sxdxca : 12/5/2016 10:46 pm : link
In comment 13251157 giantgiantfan said:
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there, give em some credit, Eli is not a mind reader. I just felt the game was over there. Brutal.


I do agree that they disguise coverage , but the off coverage on beckham was right there for the taking every time.
RE: Eli's playing down a Bishop and a Rook, at a minimum.  
sxdxca : 12/5/2016 10:49 pm : link
In comment 13251159 yatqb said:
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I agree that he sometimes f's up, but it's hard for me to see him trying to win games with one great player and a bunch of JAGs (or worse) on offense.

Think of how we'd be doing with Fitzpatrick or some of the other QBs around...not very well, imo.


True however he is better than he's playing , he needs to spread the ball around
Maybe  
larryinnewhaven : 12/5/2016 10:53 pm : link
don't bring a player you haven't used in a month and immediately throw to him. Simmons was licking his lips
RE: Maybe  
sxdxca : 12/5/2016 10:57 pm : link
In comment 13251167 larryinnewhaven said:
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don't bring a player you haven't used in a month and immediately throw to him. Simmons was licking his lips


That's why I recommended a shotgun draw thanks
Something is wrong with Eli.  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/5/2016 11:12 pm : link
Could be the scheme, or the OL, or the lack of playmakers other than Odell, could be his health, who knows? But he's just not making those clutch throws like he used to.
Maybe, maybe, maybe ....  
Manny in CA : 12/6/2016 12:19 am : link

He doesn't have a run game that scares anybody; so he's playing with 26 cards.

His rival, last night had 52, that's why Eli got beat.
It's like playing  
Giants_ROK : 12/6/2016 12:27 am : link
Scrabble with only one vowel.
RE: RE: Maybe  
chopperhatch : 12/6/2016 3:03 am : link
In comment 13251169 sxdxca said:
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In comment 13251167 larryinnewhaven said:


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don't bring a player you haven't used in a month and immediately throw to him. Simmons was licking his lips



That's why I recommended a shotgun draw thanks


First, that was a great pick by Timmonds. Second, two inches higher and that is a TD. We probably are talling about what a great win that was.
Why do people keep..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/6/2016 8:08 am : link
harping that it was a poor decision to throw to Donnell?

He was open. If Eli threw a better pass, it is a TD.

It was a good playcall and a good route. It wasn't a great pass, but it was a very good INT by Timmons.
RE: Why do people keep..  
Big Blue '56 : 12/6/2016 8:12 am : link
In comment 13251295 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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harping that it was a poor decision to throw to Donnell?

He was open. If Eli threw a better pass, it is a TD.

It was a good playcall and a good route. It wasn't a great pass, but it was a very good INT by Timmons.


It's never the other team
The int was really on Donnell because the Steelers scouted  
Jimmy Googs : 12/6/2016 8:13 am : link
him on film as always adjusting his gloves at the LOS when the ball is coming his way...
RE: Why do people keep..  
Beezer : 12/6/2016 8:19 am : link
In comment 13251295 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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harping that it was a poor decision to throw to Donnell?

He was open. If Eli threw a better pass, it is a TD.

It was a good playcall and a good route. It wasn't a great pass, but it was a very good INT by Timmons.


Because ... WHY IS HE IN THE GAME!!!

That's really it. It was frustrating given the entire spectrum of info on the guy leading to that moment.

One of those irrational fan "WHY THE FUCK _____________ (fill in the blank)? situations. Not always accurate, but at least heartfelt? lol

(Maybe your question was rhetorical. But I was pissed seeing Donnell as the intended, myself.)
A new BBI classic  
dep026 : 12/6/2016 8:23 am : link
once we lost 3 in a row.....

"We need to force it Beckham! He's the best player on the team!!!"

We lose to Pittsburgh.

"Eli has plax vision. We need to spread the ball around. Eli has tunnel vision!"

Damned if you do, damned if you dont.
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GiantFilthy : 12/6/2016 8:28 am : link
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Why do people keep..
FatMan in Charlotte : 8:08 am : link : reply
harping that it was a poor decision to throw to Donnell?

Check the game thread right after it happened. Half the posts somehow were able to blame Donnell for the pick. You know, the guy who got open.
GF..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/6/2016 8:40 am : link
the worse thing is that people are posting "As soon as Donnell was in the game, I knew the pass was going to him and so did the Steelers".

Yet, my eyes told me the Steeler was only able to make the play because the ball was underthrown. They must be pretty bad if they know a guy is getting the ball and he's that open.

It also must mean Donnell is a damn good TE!!!!
It's one thing to know what to do  
Gman11 : 12/6/2016 8:41 am : link
2 days after and another to do it in the moment.
RE: RE: Maybe the disguised the scheme well  
BigBlueinChicago : 12/6/2016 9:21 am : link
In comment 13251165 sxdxca said:
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In comment 13251157 giantgiantfan said:


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there, give em some credit, Eli is not a mind reader. I just felt the game was over there. Brutal.



I do agree that they disguise coverage , but the off coverage on beckham was right there for the taking every time.


I was at the game and wondered about that too.

There were a number of times where it appeared as if the Steelers were playing single high safety from where I was sitting in the stadium. The guys were thinking, "Here we go, Odell may have a shot here on this coverage." But then, just before the snap, the free safety would recover back to depth (not too deep as seen in other games) on Odell's side and the Giants were not able to take the shot deep.
Under throw  
Bluesbreaker : 12/6/2016 10:03 am : link
Had really nothing to do with LD just look at the
trajectory of the ball .. He was open and if he floated it
a bit more I doubt anyone could have got over there in
time to bat the ball down .
Pitt had Eli confused on many occasion he even admits that
the fact that you can only run just so many plays from
our 11 personal makes it much easier to defend .
The damning part is the tipping of the play is all over
the internet please explain to me why it wasn't corrected .
Not only are we being out coached we can't even fix the
fixable mistakes . Spags has the defense playing winning
football . The offense and play calling is so old and
lacking in imagination that even the lowly Browns basically
shut us down . How do you only go to your best player
once in the first half and totally abandon the run when
the score is 5-0 . The offense is a joke right now and
there is nothing funny about it .
People that are puffing there chests out about 8 wins
have blinders on the rest of our games are playoff games
and we have one hand tied behind our backs .
The defense can play there hearts out and still lose
Sunday Night . We could stifle Elliott and still give
up 28 points because of Zak legs .. Our Defense will
continue to tire in the 4th quarter because of the
TOP factor that's catching up 3 of the 4 starters were
nicked up Pitts line is a big tough brawling bunch
as is the Cowboys . Its taking its toll ....
It did seem Eli wasn't fully tuned in, at times  
JonC : 12/6/2016 10:08 am : link
and it didn't feel like NYG was trying to break tendencies. Pitt was definitely moving around after Eli's pre-snap checks, probably a combination of variables including feeling blindside heat as Flowers struggled.
Faulty logic  
Jim in Fairfax : 12/6/2016 10:16 am : link
The whole concept of the draw play is to make the defense's pass rush work against them. You give all the appearances of a pass play, including the line dropping into pass protection, and the runner goes right by. That's why it's called the draw -- you draw them in, and then run by.

If they are only rushing 3, you're not drawing in enough defenders. They've got plenty of people back waiting for the runner -- and no one to block since the line dropped into pass protection.
It's also faulty..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 12/6/2016 10:18 am : link
to think that the run plays are draws.

They are delayed handoffs and the purpose isn't to beat the blitz and a wave of rushers, it is to freeze the LB's into trying to figure out if it is a pass or run. Much like play action.
FMIC, Please stop  
ErichBarnes102 : 12/6/2016 10:52 am : link
confusing the situation be providing facts
RE: A new BBI classic  
BillKo : 12/6/2016 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13251310 dep026 said:
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once we lost 3 in a row.....

"We need to force it Beckham! He's the best player on the team!!!"

We lose to Pittsburgh.

"Eli has plax vision. We need to spread the ball around. Eli has tunnel vision!"

Damned if you do, damned if you dont.


Haha...so true. Fans are fickle.
RE: It did seem Eli wasn't fully tuned in, at times  
montanagiant : 12/6/2016 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13251486 JonC said:
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and it didn't feel like NYG was trying to break tendencies. Pitt was definitely moving around after Eli's pre-snap checks, probably a combination of variables including feeling blindside heat as Flowers struggled.

Yeah there was zero rhythm to the Offense in that game.
RE: Eli's playing down a Bishop and a Rook, at a minimum.  
NINEster : 12/6/2016 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13251159 yatqb said:
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If you're down a bishop and a rook you'd have to be playing garbage teams to even win.

Maybe even college.
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