Lazy? Bad technique? ..is Flowers just slow? Is he really that bad? In retrospect, Flowers should have just pushed him to the ground like a matador.
I'm not an expert on technique so please help me out here....Harrison went low and worked his head up between Flowers arms....we all know "between the tits"....how much of this is bad technique by Flowers? Would have almost any T in the league been beaten by the same move?
And another question, how ticky tack was the call? My feeling is that it could have been called, 30% and not called 70%. I know Fox's contract wouldn't last long if Buck and Aikman went against the company line and called B.S on such a pivotal play, so when Aikman says "it's a good call" I'm not sure I believe him.
Yes, it's bad technique and I don't know much about offensive linemen's technique. I do know that lowering your head like you're about to head butt the guy is not the way to pass block.
They talked a lot about the inconsistency in calls and pointed out how Eli was unusually animated on several plays after Beckham was mugged.
Far too often he allows the defenders in on his body rather than punching them and keeping them at a distance with good arm extension. Once the defender gets on his body he loses leverage and resorts to putting his arms over the back of them.
He is basically just asking for a penalty to be called.
Dude needs to learn to use his length.
Unwritten rule is that Safety by penalty is to be avoided except in "no question" infractions.
It especially should not have been called seeing what the Steelers offensive line got away with. Villanueva had his arm across Vernon's chest all night. Or, maybe the officials should have called the Steelers frequently if that call was the standard.
When people say calls don't make an impact, that is a prime example of one.
Another would be not calling PI on Beckham getting his arm grabbed in the end zone which would've been 1st and goal - instead, the next play is an INT returned to Giants territory and an eventual TD.
To be fair even the best LT in the league didn't come into the league that way. It takes a few years. It is a little worrisome he seems to be getting worse not better - although the year isn't over.
They talked a lot about the inconsistency in calls and pointed out how Eli was unusually animated on several plays after Beckham was mugged.
Yep it was ridiculous. It wouldn't be so bad if they would call things consistently. It's the inconsistency that drives me absolutely nuts.
in football, one bad call changes the complexion of a possession, which can change the complexion of a game.
it was a crap call, ESPECIALLY on the heels of a horrendous call of OPI on beckham.
To be fair even the best LT in the league didn't come into the league that way. It takes a few years. It is a little worrisome he seems to be getting worse not better - although the year isn't over.
I don't think he's getting worse... but he is not getting consistently better in pass pro... and this is only against speed rushers. Eric had a great point in his game review... imagine him on the Steelers. Guaranteed they would be utilizing him to his strengths, which the biggest one is mauling people as a run blocker. The fact that we were not chipping Harrison EVER was disturbing.
In real time I thought Eli was going to get blasted and was surprised Harrison didn't get there, so I would say it made a difference.
It especially should not have been called seeing what the Steelers offensive line got away with. Villanueva had his arm across Vernon's chest all night. Or, maybe the officials should have called the Steelers frequently if that call was the standard.
Far too often he allows the defenders in on his body rather than punching them and keeping them at a distance with good arm extension. Once the defender gets on his body he loses leverage and resorts to putting his arms over the back of them.
He is basically just asking for a penalty to be called.
Dude needs to learn to use his length.
Far too often he allows the defenders in on his body rather than punching them and keeping them at a distance with good arm extension....
Yep it was ridiculous. It wouldn't be so bad if they would call things consistently. It's the inconsistency that drives me absolutely nuts.
They are consistent. Consistently well short of the upper echelons of mediocrity.
When people say calls don't make an impact, that is a prime example of one.
Another would be not calling PI on Beckham getting his arm grabbed in the end zone which would've been 1st and goal - instead, the next play is an INT returned to Giants territory and an eventual TD.
These are all salient points. Sad thing is part of that great Steeler Dec home record is the favoritism always shown the Rooney family by the league officials. As for Beckham, Mara has to do something about this horseshit . Mentioned this in September . The coaching staff can send all the play cuts it wants to the head of officials. Have to think Coughlin is in there , as well, trying to help. But these are capos . They behave like syndicate family heads. It's time for the Giants leader to start acting like one. If he defaults to the man of wealth and taste, a Hall of Fame career will disappear like the morning fog.
Aren't they the crew on 3 of the 4 losses?
You can't get inside a guy's head, but when a consistent pattern is shown, there should at least be some questions asked. I know I sound like a bad little league parent, but if this were a court of law, I think the Giants would win the case.....
Nothing to be done....still doesn't mean that it doesn't SUCK
Basically, they reffed one of the biggest fiascos last year, reffed a game where they threw the first player out in the league for getting two unsportsmanlike penalties (Richburg), and then the shitfest sunday.
I think crews are limited to only two games per team a year in the regular season.
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he does not know how to use his long arms.
Far too often he allows the defenders in on his body rather than punching them and keeping them at a distance with good arm extension. Once the defender gets on his body he loses leverage and resorts to putting his arms over the back of them.
He is basically just asking for a penalty to be called.
Dude needs to learn to use his length.
Uhh not technically correct. Arm extension and hand punch are not the same thing and actually overextending his arms is part of his problem. Keeping your shoulders square in line with your hips and keeping a wide power base is the key. He tends to lunge with his arms and that gets him in trouble because it raises his center of gravity and makes him an easy target to rip past or shove backward. His arm length will come in to play when his arms are in tight and punching up into a defenders chest. It's the length he has that will be advantageous once he punches because the punch should be farther from his body than a guy with shorter arms. BUT to say he needs to extend his arms farther is very very wrong, it is actually what he does too often and it's a fundamental error.
Yup, he needs to learnt manage his center of gravity - it is either over his toes or back on his heels - needs to stay centered so he can maintain leverage
he still has a great burst and lean . Flowers should have
been given some help I have no idea why the coaches didn't
do a damn thing when there were problems from the get
go . Sorry Mac didn't coach good enough this game and whatever
there trying to do offensively is working either .
The one thing left that may resurrect the offense is the
return of Shane Vereen and of course Justin Pugh .
Shane will give Eli a better option to move the chains
and Vereen could be the key to making the defense change
the way they are stopping the run game ...
We or at least many of us exploded and for good reason the
poor play from the offense but I just think this could
be the defining moment of the season . Vereen could
get the run game going and Eli will feed off the fact
that they can't ignore the run and tee off on him .
I don't know if it's that these teams were the teams of the seventies who these refs more relate too or what.
The other team I'm referring too is the Cowboys of course
Now there also was rumor that because Mara played hardball in negotiating the referees contract they're sticking to the Giants when they can I'm not so sure about that one ..... The Fat Man is right these are impact calls and it's been going on for years .
I still hold out hope for him to develop as he is young and very talented but the most important thing for a LT is what he struggles with most. I still think he is better off starting at a different position until he can work on his footwork and cut out his tendency to lean instead of engaging with a strong base.
Unfortunately, we do not have a strong enough Offense to overcome these types of things. In fact, as shown by the interceptions it more often just causes further negative responses by our Offense because Eli starts pressing things.
Just cannot go an entire first half in ANY GAME and target our best player once. This is what is egregious...
He was actually targeted on back to back plays that resulted in the safety!
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When people say calls don't make an impact, that is a prime example of one.
Another would be not calling PI on Beckham getting his arm grabbed in the end zone which would've been 1st and goal - instead, the next play is an INT returned to Giants territory and an eventual TD.
Likewise, in the NBA I don't like when people say, "You don't call that in the last few minutes." F that. A foul is a foul is a foul regardless of how much time is on the clock or what the score is. If you called it all game, you call it down the stretch and vice versa. Not making a call can have just as big an impact on a game as making a call.
Offense looked fine....
But, as long as you call that, you have to call the hold on Vernon, which was far worse.
Basically, the Steelers were handed 9 points directly off bad calls. And it cost the Giants at least 14 points.
But, I'm pretty sure you don't see the point. Math might be too tough.
Flowers also got away with another holding call as Jennings
was running into the EZ, at about the 10 yard line.
Did some happen to notice that as well?
At times, this fanbase can be a bit insufferable, just an
observation. People whine about officials all the time on BBI!
Flowers also got away with another holding call as Jennings
was running into the EZ, at about the 10 yard line.
Did some happen to notice that as well?
At times, this fanbase can be a bit insufferable, just an
observation. People whine about officials all the time on BBI!
OK... if you have access watch the right tackle again from the Steelers. He literally MUGGED Vernon all game with no calls. They literally could have called the same thing against the Steelers in their own end zone. They were not calling holding consistently, or PI for that matter, and it made a difference in the game.
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Giants had 4, what is this about the refs favoring the Rooneys I was reading. What a load of crap.
Flowers also got away with another holding call as Jennings
was running into the EZ, at about the 10 yard line.
Did some happen to notice that as well?
At times, this fanbase can be a bit insufferable, just an
observation. People whine about officials all the time on BBI!
OK... if you have access watch the right tackle again from the Steelers. He literally MUGGED Vernon all game with no calls. They literally could have called the same thing against the Steelers in their own end zone. They were not calling holding consistently, or PI for that matter, and it made a difference in the game.
No it didn't, you are showing your age.
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Giants had 4, what is this about the refs favoring the Rooneys I was reading. What a load of crap.
Flowers also got away with another holding call as Jennings
was running into the EZ, at about the 10 yard line.
Did some happen to notice that as well?
At times, this fanbase can be a bit insufferable, just an
observation. People whine about officials all the time on BBI!
OK... if you have access watch the right tackle again from the Steelers. He literally MUGGED Vernon all game with no calls. They literally could have called the same thing against the Steelers in their own end zone. They were not calling holding consistently, or PI for that matter, and it made a difference in the game.
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No it didn't, you are showing your age.
OK, your opinion. So how old am I? lol
Not sure how old one has to be to understand math, but 14 points would be significant.