NFT: MLB winter meetings Nats and Sox finalizing Sale deal

Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 3m3 minutes ago
Nationals, looking at RP options after losing Melancon, could pursue David Robertson as well as Sale in a big deal with White Sox.

The Red Sox have �built momentum� toward a deal to acquire ace Chris Sale from the White Sox, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). Rosenthal had just tweeted that Boston was still �strongly� in the mix for Sale prior to the newer report.

then the pen is shaping up well. Dubon may or may not pan out, Shaw was quite expendable.

According to fan graphs Thornburg had a significant uptick in velocity last year. Maybe he is just responding well to his relief role after years of struggling as a starter.

sniffing around Jose Abreu, could be a great fit.

make that is competitive with the Nats?

Moncada and Benintendi?

I'd love to see them give up those two and Kopech.

believed JBJ and Devers are 2 of the 3-4 pieces being discussed with the White Sox.

In comment 13251794 pjcas18 said:

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make that is competitive with the Nats? Moncada and Benintendi? I'd love to see them give up those two and Kopech.

Neither Moncada or Benintendi are being discussed at the moment. Boston apparently flat "no" on both and the White Sox didn't walk away (who knows how true it is?).

In comment 13251782 ktinsc said:

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then the pen is shaping up well. Dubon may or may not pan out, Shaw was quite expendable. According to fan graphs Thornburg had a significant uptick in velocity last year. Maybe he is just responding well to his relief role after years of struggling as a starter.

I think it's a slight overpay. SHaw was nothing special but he is solid and now they are down to a choice of Panda and...Panda at 3B. Doubon was one of their better prospects although he will never be a star player, IMO. Pennington is a lottery ticket with more meh than wow potential. But they got a one year wonder with an injury history. They got a one year wonder in Pomeranz last year and IMO lost big time on the trade.

In comment 13251795 DanMetroMan said:

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believed JBJ and Devers are 2 of the 3-4 pieces being discussed with the White Sox.

f-ing Red Sox. They'll get Sale (which is better than the Nats getting him IMO) and not give up a top 10 prospect.

While the Nats offer included two top 15 prospects.

JBJ shouldn't be a centerpiece in this trade.

His 2016 2nd half is more what he is than his 2016 1st half IMO.

Trade high I guess like the did with Iglesias.

source I know thinks Moncada "could" be pried away in the Sale deal, would be "blown away" if Benintendi were included "crazier things have happened but I'd be blown away".

In comment 13251794 pjcas18 said:

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make that is competitive with the Nats? Moncada and Benintendi? I'd love to see them give up those two and Kopech.

If the Red Sox get Sale I will publicly cry.

No way they don't give up people who can contribute well and more broadly. Sale is very good but he is a shiny thing. Dombrowski likes shiny things though. In that way, he brings the personality and competence of a kitten to his job.

In comment 13251773 Jay on the Island said:

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some have with Nimmo. A corner OF with little power and average speed is not an intriguing prospect. Now he might be able to be a decent CF but if I were trading a star like Sale then Nimmo would not be one of the main pieces.

So in other words you are regurgitating what we've all said. Thanks.

team involved in discussions for Sale but not the Sox or Nationals said the White Sox are putting an emphasis on MLB ready or close to MLB ready talent so conceivably that could hurt Robles value a bit vs. someone closer.

In comment 13251805 Bill L said:

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In comment 13251794 pjcas18 said: Quote: make that is competitive with the Nats? Moncada and Benintendi? I'd love to see them give up those two and Kopech. If the Red Sox get Sale I will publicly cry. No way they don't give up people who can contribute well and more broadly. Sale is very good but he is a shiny thing. Dombrowski likes shiny things though. In that way, he brings the personality and competence of a kitten to his job.

If the Red Sox can get Sale for JBJ and Devers you should drive them both to the airport and pay the tolls yourself.

JBJ is expendable and Devers is a prospect.

If that's the actual offer and it's being considered by the White Sox my guess is the Nats did NOT actually offer Giolito and Robles. Doesn't make sense IMO.

so the Braves rumors will stop.

In Fenway: .269/.346/.461
Everywhere else: .308/.290/.363

His 2016 split:

Fenway: .299/.378/.518
Road: .234/.319/.453

In comment 13251806 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 13251773 Jay on the Island said: Quote: some have with Nimmo. A corner OF with little power and average speed is not an intriguing prospect. Now he might be able to be a decent CF but if I were trading a star like Sale then Nimmo would not be one of the main pieces. So in other words you are regurgitating what we've all said. Thanks.

Well I didn't read the entire thread but thanks for being an immature douche.

Career road BA should be .208, not .308

for Sale. Seems like the definition of buying high.

when they were finalizing a deal with Wash.

it sucks for the immediate future because they get arguably a top 5 pitcher in baseball who is only 27 and tied up for 3 years at an incredible price. For the long term it is great because it would gut their farm system.

possibility.

In comment 13251811 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13251805 Bill L said: Quote: In comment 13251794 pjcas18 said: Quote: make that is competitive with the Nats? Moncada and Benintendi? I'd love to see them give up those two and Kopech. If the Red Sox get Sale I will publicly cry. No way they don't give up people who can contribute well and more broadly. Sale is very good but he is a shiny thing. Dombrowski likes shiny things though. In that way, he brings the personality and competence of a kitten to his job. If the Red Sox can get Sale for JBJ and Devers you should drive them both to the airport and pay the tolls yourself. JBJ is expendable and Devers is a prospect. If that's the actual offer and it's being considered by the White Sox my guess is the Nats did NOT actually offer Giolito and Robles. Doesn't make sense IMO.

PJ,
Word is those are just 2 of the 3 or 4 pieces involved.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 30s31 seconds ago
BREAKING: Sale to #RedSox. Moncada, Kopech and two other prospects to #WhiteSox.

In comment 13251823 Jay on the Island said:

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it sucks for the immediate future because they get arguably a top 5 pitcher in baseball who is only 27 and tied up for 3 years at an incredible price. For the long term it is great because it would gut their farm system.

gutting farm systems is sort of overrated IMO. The Yankees went from middling to top 5 by trading two closers and a 40 year old DH.

If it means increasing your odds of winning a title, and it undoubtedly does, I'd trade prospects in a heartbeat.

see the other 2 pieces but the White Sox did get 1 "top tier" prospect and one kid who has touched 101.

In comment 13251832 Heisenberg said:

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Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 30s31 seconds ago BREAKING: Sale to #RedSox. Moncada, Kopech and two other prospects to #WhiteSox.

Wow. Depending on the prospects, quite the haul.

In comment 13251811 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13251805 Bill L said: Quote: In comment 13251794 pjcas18 said: Quote: make that is competitive with the Nats? Moncada and Benintendi? I'd love to see them give up those two and Kopech. If the Red Sox get Sale I will publicly cry. No way they don't give up people who can contribute well and more broadly. Sale is very good but he is a shiny thing. Dombrowski likes shiny things though. In that way, he brings the personality and competence of a kitten to his job. If the Red Sox can get Sale for JBJ and Devers you should drive them both to the airport and pay the tolls yourself. JBJ is expendable and Devers is a prospect. If that's the actual offer and it's being considered by the White Sox my guess is the Nats did NOT actually offer Giolito and Robles. Doesn't make sense IMO.

The Sox are going to be in a dump mode this year because of the new CBA. If not dump, then extremely non-aggressive. You might not like JBJ (I know that Greg does not), but he provides elite (or nearly elite) defense with enough offense (and actually quite good offense in the streak part, although the bad reaches the same magnitude in the opposite direction) and is cost-controlled. Devers at some point, although not this year, makes a play at either 1B or 3B. I think they can't afford a gap created by trading JBJ or the depth loss by trading Devers for a guy that makes them unarguably better but adds to a fairly deep and solid group. Again, he's a great player but a shiny thing who is not worth the cost IMO

he had some interesting tid bits:
-Conventional thinking is that the Dodgers and Yanks end up with Jansen or Chapman and the other team gets the other but that the Marlins are suddenly gumming up the works by potentially offering a big deal to one of them
-said the Mets are shopping Grandy but little interest so far except for a nibble from the O's
-They talked about Harper and the 2 nitwits asked if he may be dealt before free agency for a monster package but Sweeney said no team would give up that kind of package knowing he's definitely going to FA
-Said right now the market is freezing up for EE because teams are moving on, but that the Redsox may be interested
They also had an interesting discussion about George Steinbrenner deserving to be in the HOF. To me I fully remember the disaster that was Big George of the late 80's/early 90's but the guy should moonwalk into the HOF. No owner has had nearly the affect on the game the past 45 years he did.

Sox seemingly did very well here unless the other 2 are total NP.

Nats swing and miss...

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In comment 13251832 Heisenberg said: Quote: Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 30s31 seconds ago BREAKING: Sale to #RedSox. Moncada, Kopech and two other prospects to #WhiteSox. Wow. Depending on the prospects, quite the haul.

That is just awful. Dombrowski is proving to be exactly what his reputation is and that is a franchise-killer.

This team's future has just been decimated.

may be involved per a few writers

In comment 13251836 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13251823 Jay on the Island said: Quote: it sucks for the immediate future because they get arguably a top 5 pitcher in baseball who is only 27 and tied up for 3 years at an incredible price. For the long term it is great because it would gut their farm system. gutting farm systems is sort of overrated IMO. The Yankees went from middling to top 5 by trading two closers and a 40 year old DH. If it means increasing your odds of winning a title, and it undoubtedly does, I'd trade prospects in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't say it is overrated. For a teams like Boston, Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs, etc it is overrated because they have money spend in free agency to address their holes. For teams other teams with smaller payrolls the prospects value is much greater.

It's not I don't like JBJ, I just think at Fenway CF defense is the most important and Betts can play there.

LF is a joke, anyone but Hanley and they're fine, and Benintendi can play RF.

I'd give up JBJ easily. I just think he's a good defensive player and his offense is Fenway aided. Won't produce above average at almost any other park.

Doesn't sound like he's in the trade though so far.

My gosh

Chris Archer or Sonny Gray and Andrew McCutchen.

in getting Moncada as part of the deal.

But moving Moncada is excessive even for him. Wow.

I'm still pissed that the Yankees didn't go hard after him when he was an IFA.

potential but what that really means is that he hasn't done much yet. Who knows what damage they may have done to his development last year with the left field experiment. He was told to prep for a catchers role this year but he lost a year of development.

Thank goodness Ben 10 didn't get moved. He's going to be very good.

Moncada flailed badly during his late season call up. He is still very young so that's not the end all. But it does leave room to believe he may not be a lock.

sent to the Padres for Pomerantz. The other is rhp Victor Diaz.

Bottom line is that if Boston wins big within the next few years then they did ok.

Thankfully Benintendi, Betts Groome et al. Were not included

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potential but what that really means is that he hasn't done much yet. Who knows what damage they may have done to his development last year with the left field experiment. He was told to prep for a catchers role this year but he lost a year of development. Thank goodness Ben 10 didn't get moved. He's going to be very good. Moncada flailed badly during his late season call up. He is still very young so that's not the end all. But it does leave room to believe he may not be a lock.

He started the season in A ball. And I think that's after sitting out a season or more.

Should Cashman see how they like Gardner and Tanaka?

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Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 3m3 minutes ago Source: The Cubs are closing in on a deal for Wade Davis.

I'd expect this to some package involving Soler.

And got Wade Davis. Damn. Unreal

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Doesn't look to be final, because I'm sure a full medical is being done on both. Davis has forearm issues.

If completed, this is good for Soler. He needs to play everyday, and in the AL can move between RF and DH.

How long before the Yankees sign Chapman?