according to bleacher report, They are close to a deal.
If this is true look at their rotation: Scherzer, Sale, Strasburg, Roark, Gonzalez, and they might still have Giolito.
And the Yanks have Tanaka....that's it...Everyone else is unproven and young..Could they be something?? Maybe...They are talking about Severino being better suited for the bull pen and who knows what Kap will do this coming season. Cessa and Green may be a back end solid pitchers for us, but I have zero faith in Pineda.
I know that we are in a youth movement but until these prospects step on the mound and prove that they are solid pitchers we are far from solid rotation. I still say stay the course but its hard to see us struggle so bad at SP.
Can someone link?
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there you go...next time look at bleacher report.
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What are the Nats giving up here?
But better 4/5.
And the Phillies had a better lineup.
and that didn't work out too well, such a great NLCS, but the Giants came out on top.
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Sale may yet end up in Washington, I can't find a single source suggesting they are finalizing a deal. Not one of the big writers is reporting this.
there you go...next time look at bleacher report. link - ( New Window )
What? Where does it say they are finalizing a deal? Did you link the wrong article? The top story is from YESTERDAY
"On Monday morning, Jon Heyman of Today's Knuckleball reported the Washington Nationals would have a meeting with the White Sox regarding Sale on Monday afternoon and that the Boston Red Sox and others remain in on the pitcher.
On Monday night, Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports reported there was a "legitimate chance" of a trade, as the teams discuss the final pieces of the deal."
Where is this report of finalizing a deal?
The #Whitesox did not come close to trading Chris Sale tonight but acknowledge the #Nats were very aggressive in proposals"
next time try posting correct thread titles if you are going to be snarky.
What are the Nats giving up here?
While Strasburg's arm is a legit concern he's much more of a sure thing than Harvey. Harvey is coming back from an injury with very, very few success stories, Strasburg just put up a 2.92 FIP season striking out 11.2/9. Harvey may yet return as Harvey but odds are heavily in Strasburg's favor in comparing the 2 for 2017.
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Sale may yet end up in Washington, I can't find a single source suggesting they are finalizing a deal. Not one of the big writers is reporting this.
there you go...next time look at bleacher report. link - ( New Window )
What? Where does it say they are finalizing a deal? Did you link the wrong article? The top story is from YESTERDAY
"On Monday morning, Jon Heyman of Today's Knuckleball reported the Washington Nationals would have a meeting with the White Sox regarding Sale on Monday afternoon and that the Boston Red Sox and others remain in on the pitcher.
On Monday night, Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports reported there was a "legitimate chance" of a trade, as the teams discuss the final pieces of the deal."
Where is this report of finalizing a deal?
The word finalizing is in the fucking headline...Read everything. So what its from yesterday. Its still a reliable source. There is even the word final pieces in the Ken quote. That says to me they are finalizing and have move past prelim talks.
Wow. I honestly hope the Nats do it. That is a ton.
1. It's not the most recent news
2. It's from the Bleacher Report
3. "Finalizing" means a deal has been agreed to and yet Ken Rosenthal says "legitimate chance". If the Giants were said to be "finalizing" contract extension for Eli it would be taken to mean "it's done barring a shocker". I'm not going to keep this going but you were wrong. There is no deal being finalized at the moment.
Sources: #RedSox checked in today with #WhiteSox on Sale. Dombrowski said no driving force to add SP, but not necessarily one-team race."
Does that sound like the White Sox are "finalizing" a deal? I actually would be shocked if he's not a National at the end of this but there is no Sale deal being "finalized" according to ANY reputable source.
Plus, it's not like they'd be immediately shitty after winning.
Scherzer and Strasburg are under contract long-term and Sale two more seasons.
health would be the biggest concern.
No. That was for McCutchen.
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Plus, it's not like they'd be immediately shitty after winning.
Scherzer and Strasburg are under contract long-term and Sale two more seasons.
health would be the biggest concern.
That's the thing though... Power pitchers arms can go at any time as we are seeing first hand. I think any team going with that model is going to have issues keeping an entire rotation together and healthy in any given season. You almost have to pray for "luck" that you get everyone into the postseason at the same time in one piece. Also, it's probably not a big deal but Sale is coming off a lesser season (by his standards). I dont think it makes them drastically better. Giolito likely ends up a 3.5 FIP pitcher in short order and he has 6 years of control left.
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I'd do that, I'd sell my soul for a championship even if it meant I needed to rebuild the farm.
Plus, it's not like they'd be immediately shitty after winning.
Scherzer and Strasburg are under contract long-term and Sale two more seasons.
health would be the biggest concern.
That's the thing though... Power pitchers arms can go at any time as we are seeing first hand. I think any team going with that model is going to have issues keeping an entire rotation together and healthy in any given season. You almost have to pray for "luck" that you get everyone into the postseason at the same time in one piece. Also, it's probably not a big deal but Sale is coming off a lesser season (by his standards). I dont think it makes them drastically better. Giolito likely ends up a 3.5 FIP pitcher in short order and he has 6 years of control left.
no doubt it's a risk, but one I'd probably take.
Is there still an AL/NL premium for pitchers? Do advanced stats take into account the DH differences between the leagues?
Sale might look a little better in the NL.
Considering MOST Mets fans I know (or I talk to online) would deal him for a solid reliever I think that's a minority view lol
I said "our" top prospects. Are you going to tell me he's not? Easily top 10, most likely top 5 coming off a year where he was the second best hitter in the entire PCL (After TJ Rivera).
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Considering MOST Mets fans I know (or I talk to online) would deal him for a solid reliever I think that's a minority view lol
Yeah, I don't think most fans consider Nimmo much of a prospect. I do think ZG was saying "Mets top prospects" not baseballs top prospects. and like it or not, Nimmo is still in the Mets top 10 (maybe even top 5).
I'm not saying he's not good, because he's very good. I just think some of the proposed deals for him are really over-the-top considering his output the past few seasons.
5th in the AL in BAA. 3rd in the AL in WHIP. 2nd in the AL in K's. 3rd in the AL in innings pitched.
Now he gets to go to the light hitting NL east. He's going to make them a lot better.
I'm not saying he's not good, because he's very good. I just think some of the proposed deals for him are really over-the-top considering his output the past few seasons.
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Gotta keep in mind his contract. Bartolo Colon is making 12.5, Volquez 11. Sale's contract is a major boost to his value.
How do the Mets have a short window?
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who is now going to the NL where he gets to face pitchers and weak hitting 8 hitters. He's going to dominate in the NL East. It's a move you have to make if you are the Nats. Bad news for the Mets who I believe have a very short window here and they are letting the Nats get too far ahead of them.
How do the Mets have a short window?
They do. Harvey is a FA after 2018 (2 years), Cespedes will be 31 this season, Walker 31 this season, Wright and Reyes are old. It's roughly a 3 year window for the Mets barring something surprising.
Agree, I'd add Szapucki to that short list I'd be bummed if they traded him. 20 year old lefty who throws 95+ with a good curve. He's too far away for projection probably, but he's a player you can get excited about.
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will say the Robles/Giolito portion of the deal is all I would be caring about, Cecchini/Nimmo types aren't deal breakers when you can add a difference maker. Currently the Mets have 1 minor leaguer who I'd really be bummed dealing and that's Rosario.
Agree, I'd add Szapucki to that short list I'd be bummed if they traded him. 20 year old lefty who throws 95+ with a good curve. He's too far away for projection probably, but he's a player you can get excited about.
I mean I wouldn't WANT to trade Szapucki (or even Dunn) but at the end of the day if a star were available I wouldn't balk at including one of those 2. Both of them are unproven and reasonably far away (unlikely to throw an MLB pitch in 2017 barring something really surprising).
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Sadly, I don't believe the Cubs window is short. Absolutely loaded with young regulars with "unlimited" money.
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will say the Robles/Giolito portion of the deal is all I would be caring about, Cecchini/Nimmo types aren't deal breakers when you can add a difference maker. Currently the Mets have 1 minor leaguer who I'd really be bummed dealing and that's Rosario.
Agree, I'd add Szapucki to that short list I'd be bummed if they traded him. 20 year old lefty who throws 95+ with a good curve. He's too far away for projection probably, but he's a player you can get excited about.
I mean I wouldn't WANT to trade Szapucki (or even Dunn) but at the end of the day if a star were available I wouldn't balk at including one of those 2. Both of them are unproven and reasonably far away (unlikely to throw an MLB pitch in 2017 barring something really surprising).
In the right deal absolutely, but I'm a grudge holding M-fer and I still have hard feelings about Kazmir for Zambrano. Sure Kazmir was closer to the majors, but shit like that scars me.
I wouldn't have had a hard time if Kazmir were traded for value, but he wasn't., so in the right deal I'd trade anyone, even Rosario, but let's see the right deal first.