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NFT: Knicks at Miami tonight

Keith : 12/6/2016 12:18 pm
Knicks haven't been a great road team(or good for that matter), but they have been playing better as the season goes on. They need to learn how to win on the road and tonight should be a good test. It's a winnable game and they should be ready to go.

Toronto and Boston lost last night so the Knicks are only .5 games behind Boston and 2.5 behind Toronto. A win tonight and they are tied for 3rd in the conference.

Courtney Lee expected to play.
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A repeat  
dep026 : 12/6/2016 12:24 pm : link
performance?
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Heat have been as bad at home as the Knicks have been on the road  
Heisenberg : 12/6/2016 12:25 pm : link
Heat 2-7 at home
Knicks 2-6 on road

Something's gotta give.
We need to start winning some of these games on the road  
Keith : 12/6/2016 12:27 pm : link
and build up confidence. To me, the energy level at home is always there. I have yet to see that same energy level on the road. It's easy to have it when you have a ton of rabid fans behind you, but the great teams and the great players are able to play with that energy on the road.
RE: We need to start winning some of these games on the road  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2016 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13251748 Keith said:
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and build up confidence. To me, the energy level at home is always there. I have yet to see that same energy level on the road. It's easy to have it when you have a ton of rabid fans behind you, but the great teams and the great players are able to play with that energy on the road.


i have seen it in 2 games on the road: chicago and toronto..

they really should win tonight going away, no winslow and waiters is big for them, they might have only 8 or 9 guys healthy tonight
Definitely going to see our boy  
Keith : 12/6/2016 12:39 pm : link
Derrick Williams tonight.
Nothings given with this team on the road  
giantsfan44ab : 12/6/2016 12:57 pm : link
but they do have beatable teams to get them going (aside from Cleveland/GS)

@ Miami
vs Cle
@ Sac
@ LA
@ GS
@ Denver
vs Indy
vs Orlando
vs Boston

Would be big if they could rattle off 5-6 wins over the next 9. Just staying above .500 will keep you in the EC playoff race.
Outside Toronto  
giantsfan44ab : 12/6/2016 12:59 pm : link
and maybe Chicago (who they play in NY), I don't think they play any team you can say thats outright better them (or even as good ) in the month of January.
That west coast road trip could  
Keith : 12/6/2016 1:00 pm : link
be real tough, but could also be a character builder for us.
i was thinking about this  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2016 1:06 pm : link
usually in big 3s when they come together 1 guy sacrifices a lot of his stats, bosh in miami and kg in boston...

here the knicks may get 3 20 ppg scorers and really they have not sacrificed much..

i know people want kp to shoot more...

even golden state they are going to get 3 guys with 20 ppg more than likely also
and yes i know  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2016 1:07 pm : link
knicks are a long way from saying they have a big 3
RE: i was thinking about this  
giantsfan44ab : 12/6/2016 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13251817 nygiants16 said:
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usually in big 3s when they come together 1 guy sacrifices a lot of his stats, bosh in miami and kg in boston...

here the knicks may get 3 20 ppg scorers and really they have not sacrificed much..

i know people want kp to shoot more...

even golden state they are going to get 3 guys with 20 ppg more than likely also


The Kings big 3 had 3 20 PPg scorers with no one sacrificing.
RE: RE: i was thinking about this  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2016 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13251828 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13251817 nygiants16 said:


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usually in big 3s when they come together 1 guy sacrifices a lot of his stats, bosh in miami and kg in boston...

here the knicks may get 3 20 ppg scorers and really they have not sacrificed much..

i know people want kp to shoot more...

even golden state they are going to get 3 guys with 20 ppg more than likely also



The Kings big 3 had 3 20 PPg scorers with no one sacrificing.


looking at how hornacek has been subbing kp, i wonder why spoelstra never did that with bosh?
Miami has a ton of injuries tonight  
Neckbone1333 : 12/6/2016 1:16 pm : link
Winslow, Waiters, among others

No excuses tonight. We need to attack the basket like crazy and try to get Whiteside into early foul trouble.

I expect Rose to have a big game tonight!
Up to 5th on the east  
Carl in CT : 12/6/2016 1:18 pm : link
Not far out of third but also not far from out of the playoffs. Long season which should be fun!
RE: RE: RE: i was thinking about this  
Aspano! : 12/6/2016 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13251831 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13251828 giantsfan44ab said:


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In comment 13251817 nygiants16 said:


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usually in big 3s when they come together 1 guy sacrifices a lot of his stats, bosh in miami and kg in boston...

here the knicks may get 3 20 ppg scorers and really they have not sacrificed much..

i know people want kp to shoot more...

even golden state they are going to get 3 guys with 20 ppg more than likely also



The Kings big 3 had 3 20 PPg scorers with no one sacrificing.



looking at how hornacek has been subbing kp, i wonder why spoelstra never did that with bosh?


I don't think there was ever the necessity to develop Bosh as a primary scorer, which is what KP is learning when he's out there with the second unit.
They need to win tonight because I think they'll get  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/6/2016 1:31 pm : link
their doors blown off tomorrow. I hate back to backs while the other team is sitting around.

The west coast trip isn't THAT bad because the games are every other day.
RE: They need to win tonight because I think they'll get  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2016 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13251891 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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their doors blown off tomorrow. I hate back to backs while the other team is sitting around.

The west coast trip isn't THAT bad because the games are every other day.


i dont think they get blown out tomorrow, they may lose but i dont think they get blown out...

knicks have been playing very well at home and that first game they had no idea how to play with each other
RE: Up to 5th on the east  
giantsfan44ab : 12/6/2016 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13251856 Carl in CT said:
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Not far out of third but also not far from out of the playoffs. Long season which should be fun!


If derozan wasn't having an MVP type year I'd say the 2 seed would even be up for grabs. I don't think teams like Indy and Atlanta are as bad as their record but I also don't see teams outside of Cleveland/Toronto that necessarily has better players than NY. Any minor improvements from Noah will go a long way.
Just to rabblerouse a little bit  
Keith : 12/6/2016 1:36 pm : link
where is that dude that hates Rose been?
RE: Just to rabblerouse a little bit  
dep026 : 12/6/2016 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13251905 Keith said:
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where is that dude that hates Rose been?


Computing advanced stats.
RE: Just to rabblerouse a little bit  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2016 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13251905 Keith said:
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where is that dude that hates Rose been?


dont worry next bad game he will come up with some stat to say how bad he is
Which is probably why he hasn't been around.  
Keith : 12/6/2016 1:43 pm : link
I gotta figure Rose's advanced stats have turned for the better of late.
Knicks are 11-9 and nearly half of their losses are on the 2nd day  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/6/2016 1:46 pm : link
of back to backs. Scheduling losses in the NBA are a fact of life and playing Cleveland after the Cavs have several off days and the Knicks are playing and traveling seems like a golden example of one. Sure hope I'm wrong though. The Cavs aren't playing well now, but I'm certain LeBron will be extra motivated to get a quadruple double tomorrow.
RE: Miami has a ton of injuries tonight  
Deej : 12/6/2016 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13251847 Neckbone1333 said:
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Winslow, Waiters, among others

No excuses tonight. We need to attack the basket like crazy and try to get Whiteside into early foul trouble.

I expect Rose to have a big game tonight!


That Winslow and Waiters count as significant losses tells you what you need to know about Miami. They're a Whiteside trade (BOS for Amir, Jerebko, and BK's #1?) away from being the frontrunner for the top pick. They're TURBLE
I haven't enjoyed watching knicks games..  
Canton : 12/6/2016 1:48 pm : link
...as much as I am now, since LINSANITY. Last year I enjoyed watched KP.

It's great to finally have a team to enjoy rooting for.
RE: RE: Miami has a ton of injuries tonight  
giantsfan44ab : 12/6/2016 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13251931 Deej said:
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In comment 13251847 Neckbone1333 said:


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Winslow, Waiters, among others

No excuses tonight. We need to attack the basket like crazy and try to get Whiteside into early foul trouble.

I expect Rose to have a big game tonight!



That Winslow and Waiters count as significant losses tells you what you need to know about Miami. They're a Whiteside trade (BOS for Amir, Jerebko, and BK's #1?) away from being the frontrunner for the top pick. They're TURBLE


Might take another BKN pick to get him. Richardsons been out for a bit, is he back? I think he's the best Heat prospect, followed by Johnson then Winslow.
of course  
jamesmichaelworm : 12/6/2016 2:06 pm : link
the cavs get another scheduling break,knicks have to play back to back away and home. really would be huge to get back to back wins. Or at least jump out to a huge lead tonight and rest the guys tonight
Zach Lowe saying  
giantsfan44ab : 12/6/2016 2:08 pm : link
Executives think washington will give Porter the max. So Washington will be tied down to their current roster for a while. Yeah, Wall is out of there.
RE: Zach Lowe saying  
Deej : 12/6/2016 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13251978 giantsfan44ab said:
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Executives think washington will give Porter the max. So Washington will be tied down to their current roster for a while. Yeah, Wall is out of there.


Having decent talent is almost a worse curse than having no talent. The correct play on Porter is to trade him to a team that doesnt care about cap space. E.g. a GSW or CLE.

Wall BTW has two more seasons under contract after this season. So he's going no where without management's consent.
4th game in a row where  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/6/2016 2:50 pm : link
Knicks are going to have a difficult challenge at center. Knicks should win this game. But it also could be another trap game like it was in D.C. earlier.
RE: RE: Zach Lowe saying  
giantsfan44ab : 12/6/2016 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13252027 Deej said:
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In comment 13251978 giantsfan44ab said:


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Executives think washington will give Porter the max. So Washington will be tied down to their current roster for a while. Yeah, Wall is out of there.



Having decent talent is almost a worse curse than having no talent. The correct play on Porter is to trade him to a team that doesnt care about cap space. E.g. a GSW or CLE.

Wall BTW has two more seasons under contract after this season. So he's going no where without management's consent.


Should've clarified, he's not going to stay in Washington longer than his current contract.
This game is a character test  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2016 7:04 pm : link
The cavaliers game is a Loss built in to the schedule.

. Win tonight.
heat only have 9 healthy players  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2016 7:30 pm : link
jr smith out tomorrow night against knicks..

whats going on with bosh and heat? i know he wants to play and says he can play, are they going to release him? or they going to screw him and release him after the playoff cutoff date
Is it just me or did whiteside  
Keith : 12/6/2016 7:45 pm : link
just double dribble?
Energy level not there.  
Keith : 12/6/2016 7:50 pm : link
I'd bring Jennings in for lee.
Melo Ball tonight  
B in ALB : 12/6/2016 7:51 pm : link
Flat jump shots and dogging it on transition D.
Melo can't hit the broad side of a barn early  
mfsd : 12/6/2016 7:51 pm : link
But doggedly determined to shoot his way out of it
Worst part about it when melo is off,  
Keith : 12/6/2016 7:52 pm : link
There's nobody under the rim. When he misses, there's no chance of an offensive rebound.
O'Quinn busting his ass all over the court again  
mfsd : 12/6/2016 8:02 pm : link
Love this guy
I'm usually a melo supporter  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/6/2016 8:04 pm : link
But I'd be fine if he spent the night on the bench. He's playing like he was out on the town until 5am. Absentminded defense and bad passes.
Yeah Melo was killing us on both ends of the floor early  
mfsd : 12/6/2016 8:08 pm : link
Hope Horny gives him a nice long rest here
So Reed can crash into KP  
B in ALB : 12/6/2016 8:14 pm : link
while rebounding and the foul ends up on KP. Huh. Ok.
Travel?  
Keith : 12/6/2016 8:17 pm : link
Is this guy seeing things?
Getting torched by Wayne fucking Ellington....outstanding  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2016 8:18 pm : link
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RE: Travel?  
nygiants16 : 12/6/2016 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13252517 Keith said:
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Is this guy seeing things?


remember same official who was gambiling with donaghe but for some reason is still allowed to official..

how is it traveling if you are dribbling?
Whiteside is a fucking punk  
B in ALB : 12/6/2016 8:20 pm : link
Get KOQ n there to give him the business.

Another bullshit call on KP.
I don't watch a lot of NYK b'ball  
ColHowPepper : 12/6/2016 8:22 pm : link
and this confirms why, ugly. Carmelo doesn't turn down a lot
of shots even if poor %, generally, lots of chucking it up, vs.
a schlocky Heat team. Hard to watch
And I thought the shitty officiating in Miami  
bceagle05 : 12/6/2016 8:24 pm : link
was only for the benefit of Dwyane Wade.
RE: RE: Travel?  
Keith : 12/6/2016 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13252519 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13252517 Keith said:


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Is this guy seeing things?



remember same official who was gambiling with donaghe but for some reason is still allowed to official..

how is it traveling if you are dribbling?


Pretty sure they allowed Whiteside a blatant double dribble early on too.
Another big night  
bceagle05 : 12/6/2016 8:25 pm : link
for Lee and Noah thus far.
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