Knicks haven't been a great road team(or good for that matter), but they have been playing better as the season goes on. They need to learn how to win on the road and tonight should be a good test. It's a winnable game and they should be ready to go.
Toronto and Boston lost last night so the Knicks are only .5 games behind Boston and 2.5 behind Toronto. A win tonight and they are tied for 3rd in the conference.
Courtney Lee expected to play.
Have to see about Rose and his back spasms, though ...
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one thing about this team, they are not going to back down, it is not always pretty but this is definitely a gritty team
1. Patrick Ewing* 23665
2. Walt Frazier* 14617
3. Willis Reed* 12183
4. Allan Houston 11165
5. Carl Braun 10449
6. Richie Guerin* 10392
7. Earl Monroe* 9679
8. Dick Barnett 9442
9. Bill Bradley* 9217
10. Bill Cartwright 9006
He's shooting 40% from three.
That shot is well within his game, wouldn't call it settling.
Knew he would turn people around once he came to NY. Liked him in Milwaukee, loved him in Detroit.
Reminds me of another player the Knicks could've gotten that I think people here would've came around on... (haha Keith, just messing, I will not mention his name...this time).
he said last night it started in his right leg, he was sore and was fine until it radiated to his back...
said it calmed down and he felt better and if it is just his leg he is fine but if he is still sore tomorrow i woulf sit him..
he is not going to play half speed, so that could lead to something worse
The problem is you cant pay a Jennings the Noah contract. You have to recognize that there are 200 guys in the NBA who can fill bench roles really effectively (many of them are starting, however). Dont pay them like starters. Just get new ones. I'd resign Jennings. I'd probably pay him 10 million. But not 18.
The problem is you cant pay a Jennings the Noah contract. You have to recognize that there are 200 guys in the NBA who can fill bench roles really effectively (many of them are starting, however). Dont pay them like starters. Just get new ones. I'd resign Jennings. I'd probably pay him 10 million. But not 18.
10 million will not get Jennings. Not even close. I get what you're saying that he's a better backup than starter but someone will definitely pay him more than 10 million.
No, Rose is still pretty shitty on most advanced stats. In fact, ESPN just came out with an article wondering if Rose was the right PG for this team. Surprisingly, seems the answer is no. I didn't post it because you fanboys would take it too personally but fuck it here you go. Is Rose the right PG for the Knicks? - ( New Window )
people would not rip you if you had a shred of basketball knowledge and actually watched a game and analysed it and broke it down with your own thoughts..
stop using other peoples work to make your point, grow a set and actually make a point without stats based on your two eyes..
take last night for example his stats in the first half were nothing awesome, according to stats it was an average game but he made a ton of positive plays...
his attacking adds a dimension that this team has not had in a long time, when he attacks, even if he does not finish he is making a positive play..
last night he drovr and knew whiteside liked to try and block everything so he threw it up knowing the center would have a clear shot at a rebound. that is a positive play that does not show up..
whem he kicks it out and the guy misses a shot, it does not show up on the stat sheet, so accorsing to you it doesnt do anything but it is still a positive play and he made the right play..
stats do not tell the whole story and you cant comprehend that, you know when people will have respect for you? go back and watch a game, any gamr i dont care and actually watch it and you tell me how many bad plays and how many good plays he had
i respect those two opinions hell of a lot more than yours and they did not like the rose trade...
so its not about you not liking rose..
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When I don't post because you three morons complain incessantly no matter what I say, you guys still can't keep me out of your brain.
No, Rose is still pretty shitty on most advanced stats. In fact, ESPN just came out with an article wondering if Rose was the right PG for this team. Surprisingly, seems the answer is no. I didn't post it because you fanboys would take it too personally but fuck it here you go. Is Rose the right PG for the Knicks? - ( New Window )
people would not rip you if you had a shred of basketball knowledge and actually watched a game and analysed it and broke it down with your own thoughts..
stop using other peoples work to make your point, grow a set and actually make a point without stats based on your two eyes..
take last night for example his stats in the first half were nothing awesome, according to stats it was an average game but he made a ton of positive plays...
his attacking adds a dimension that this team has not had in a long time, when he attacks, even if he does not finish he is making a positive play..
last night he drovr and knew whiteside liked to try and block everything so he threw it up knowing the center would have a clear shot at a rebound. that is a positive play that does not show up..
whem he kicks it out and the guy misses a shot, it does not show up on the stat sheet, so accorsing to you it doesnt do anything but it is still a positive play and he made the right play..
stats do not tell the whole story and you cant comprehend that, you know when people will have respect for you? go back and watch a game, any gamr i dont care and actually watch it and you tell me how many bad plays and how many good plays he had
The best part of his advanced stats is that both offensive and defensive ratings are measured that all the players teammates are equally as good per minute at forcing negative plays by the offense. And offensive rating is based on role. The bigger your role in the offense is the lower your number it tends to be.
I guess its much more fun reading numbers than watching games.
if noah can give you 20 to 25 minutes a night like last night i would be very happy...
then you have a very good center rotation, remember on that mavs team chandler only played 20 to 25 minutes a night...
it will keep noah healthy and fresh and then Pl ayoffs roll around is not run into the ground
Heisenberg : 8:34 am : link : reply
10 million will not get Jennings. Not even close. I get what you're saying that he's a better backup than starter but someone will definitely pay him more than 10 million.
Maybe. We're paying him $5 million this year and he had no other bidders. Statistically, he's not any better this year than he has been in the past. He's a top tier backup PG.
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We will need to pay him more than $10 mil per season. And we need to keep him.
Why do we "need" to keep him? Next year we might sign another reclamation PG to a similar cheap deal. And in any event we're so far from being a contender that short term "needs" should not drive personnel decisions.
IMO, giving Jennings the Noah contract is a mistake. And I say that as someone who really likes him in his current role.
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If the Knicks didn't sign Noah and started O'Quinn in the middle. Obviously with the benefit of hindsight the Knicks should have signed a backup center who can play 15-20 minutes a night to rotate with O'Quinn who is one of my favorite players on the team. Jennings was a fantastic signing as well.
if noah can give you 20 to 25 minutes a night like last night i would be very happy...
then you have a very good center rotation, remember on that mavs team chandler only played 20 to 25 minutes a night...
it will keep noah healthy and fresh and then Pl ayoffs roll around is not run into the ground
What are the chances you give of Noah performing like last night over the next 3 and 2/3 seasons? And what is that level of play? 5/6 shooting and like a 25 rebound per 36 minute pace? Obviously he cant keep up with that.
Also, not for nothing, Noah played less than 15 minutes last night because he got 4 fouls.
I hope you're right. It takes a little time with KP. He 's got a 1990s NBA body. He fouls at lot and turns the ball over too much. So you can see why coaches bench him. But when he plays he's just good. The intangibles: Hustles, brings toughness. But also the tangible. Guy fills the hell out of a stat sheet.
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If the Knicks didn't sign Noah and started O'Quinn in the middle. Obviously with the benefit of hindsight the Knicks should have signed a backup center who can play 15-20 minutes a night to rotate with O'Quinn who is one of my favorite players on the team. Jennings was a fantastic signing as well.
if noah can give you 20 to 25 minutes a night like last night i would be very happy...
then you have a very good center rotation, remember on that mavs team chandler only played 20 to 25 minutes a night...
it will keep noah healthy and fresh and then Pl ayoffs roll around is not run into the ground
What are the chances you give of Noah performing like last night over the next 3 and 2/3 seasons? And what is that level of play? 5/6 shooting and like a 25 rebound per 36 minute pace? Obviously he cant keep up with that.
Also, not for nothing, Noah played less than 15 minutes last night because he got 4 fouls.
i would be happy with 4 10 and 3 and playing with high energy in 20 to 25 minutes
lets be honest scoring wise anything the knicks get is gravy
I just think it's been clear since last season that he's a rotation player. His per 36 #s last year were 14.6 points, 11.8 rebounds, 3.4 assists. 2.3 blocks, .9 steals with good enough shooting and he hits FTs. Indeed, his points, rebounds, steals, and assists rates are DOWN this year. I find it baffling that he only got 764 minutes last year. Criminal even.
That said, the upticks in his blocks and shooting (and I think better defense) make him better this year. His PER, WS48, and BPM are all better.
i would be happy with 4 10 and 3 and playing with high energy in 20 to 25 minutes
lets be honest scoring wise anything the knicks get is gravy
What you'd want from Noah doesnt answer the question of whether it is reasonable to expect it. Also, he's a career 11.5 rebounds/36 mins player. There is no reason to believe that 10 in 20-25 minutes is in the offing on the downside of his career.
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mean last 5 games he's averaging over 21 minutes per game, 8 and 8 with 1 block on 57%. He's not some stud future superstar but I think we seem to forget he was a small school guy, 2nd rounder and is still only 26. Being rough around the edges shouldn't be some massive shock. He is pretty clearly a legit NBA part of a rotation and as of right now is arguably Phil's best FA signing all things considered.
I just think it's been clear since last season that he's a rotation player. His per 36 #s last year were 14.6 points, 11.8 rebounds, 3.4 assists. 2.3 blocks, .9 steals with good enough shooting and he hits FTs. Indeed, his points, rebounds, steals, and assists rates are DOWN this year. I find it baffling that he only got 764 minutes last year. Criminal even.
That said, the upticks in his blocks and shooting (and I think better defense) make him better this year. His PER, WS48, and BPM are all better.
Well not calling out anyone in particular but while there was a vocal group of people who felt he could be good (in better shape etc) there were a decent number of people open to dealing him for a 2nd rounder around draft time. He's solid, multi-skilled and compliments KP rather well. I could look stupid saying this but... I think KOQ outplays Noah over the next 3 seasons.
He's been better, but lets face it - he couldnt be much worse than the start he had. Not a fan of his. Hopefully, someone contender wants him and the Bulls can trade him.
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was talking to a bulls fan friend who was raving about Rolo after a rocky start (like last season).
He's been better, but lets face it - he couldnt be much worse than the start he had. Not a fan of his. Hopefully, someone contender wants him and the Bulls can trade him.
Bull's SB blog described his play in a recent game as "sensational per usual"
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The best quality about him is his consistency. He doesn't have any flaws really. He's a average rebounder (good at boxing out though), good rim protector and not an incapable scorer. He's a capable passer too. But he'll never really have any of those game breaking games that even a guy like KOQ is capable of.