See who the other two pieces are, but I might be somewhat vindicated when a lot of people screamed at me and said Sale would cost the Red Sox Moncada, Benintendi and Devers.
is that it's a 60 million trade chip, right? YM basically is like a transfer fee for Boston. It's like turning his 3/40 contract into a 3/100 contract, except Boston is already out the first 60 million.
Thats the first thing I thought about when I read about this deal. Are we sure that the White Sox don't have to pay the pro-rated portion of that $ 60 mil ? Either way it looks like a very good deal for the Red Sox. They get a true ace for a reasonable contract.
Not lately he isn't, although he doesn't have Tanaka's elbow concerns and a much team-friendlier contract.
If Sale pitches closer to 2014 than 2015-16, then the deal is a winner for Boston. However, with him moving to a much tougher park for pitchers and a stronger division, what if his performance slips a bit further beyond his recent numbers and Moncada becomes an All-Star?
Just saying this deal isn't a cut and dried Sawx win.
Not lately he isn't, although he doesn't have Tanaka's elbow concerns and a much team-friendlier contract.
If Sale pitches closer to 2014 than 2015-16, then the deal is a winner for Boston. However, with him moving to a much tougher park for pitchers and a stronger division, what if his performance slips a bit further beyond his recent numbers and Moncada becomes an All-Star?
Just saying this deal isn't a cut and dried Sawx win.
It's not a win at all. It's the opposite of a win times a million zillion.
Singing bonus was something like 32 million. I assume that's the "lost" money with Chicago taking on the rest.
Also, wasn't the tax on that like double? Didn't it end up bring almost 60 million in signing bonus. That's a ton of money to get zero return on.
NOt only that, but it indirectly led to the Sox making under the table deals (apparently standard practice but the team made an example of) which cost them their ability to sign players at all for a year.
finished tied for 5th in pitching WAR (fangraphs) in 2016, 5th in 2015, tied 8th in 2014 (low innings). That puts him at #3 over the last two seasons. I'm too lazy to look up baseball-reference. Obviously, it isn't the be-all, end-all way to evaluate a pitcher, but he is a stud. Will be a great piece for Boston and will be 28.
White helping Red if you ask me. This is certainly not the value most expected was necessary to get Sale. I thought it was going to take Giolito+Robles++
3.3 in 2015 and 4.9 in 2016 after 5.9, 6.9, 6.6 the previous three seasons.
Sale is good, but some people like to speak of him as if he were the AL equivalent of Kershaw. He's not, at least not lately. And, again, pitching half his starts in Fenway's not going to be a boon for him.
Not really. Moncada is more highly regarded than either Frazier or Rutherford, but none of the secondary pieces are close to their level.
Oh I agree. Moncada , when you factor in his deal, was easily the best kid available unless the reports on Giolito were totally off-base. They basically fell in love with him and forgot about needing a second sure-thing piece.
if so, by definition he is more highly regarded than anyone else. Kopech is going to be really good IMO. I think he could top off as a 1 but his floor might be a 3. He also could play as an elite closer. Sale is superfluous in light of giving up Espinoza to get a mediocre Pomeranz and backing up the truck to get Price all within 12 months. He's just chasing mistakes to compound them at this point and draining the life out of the system.
They dealt Shaw and now Moncada. I'm going to laugh if they trot Panda out there.
Get ready to laugh. I also think they will try to put Holt in there. Holt is a great player as a utility guy but gets exposed as JAG when put in as a regular.
Not really. Moncada is more highly regarded than either Frazier or Rutherford, but none of the secondary pieces are close to their level.
I don't know the ranking of Frazier or Rutherford, but Kopech is a wild card. He throws 100, but as I mentioned before he has a nuke laloosh head. He was suspended for PEDs (stimulant) and broke his hand in a fight with a teammate.
but his potential is very high I'd be glad he was included in the trade as a Red Sox hater.
See who the other two pieces are, but I might be somewhat vindicated when a lot of people screamed at me and said Sale would cost the Red Sox Moncada, Benintendi and Devers.
I said two of the three at most.
Kopech throws 100, but has a nuke laloosh head.
Hope this isn't another BS trade where the Sox get off light. Devers or Bradley Jr. better be in that package.
He was that good in 2014. Since then, not so much.
Can they trade Groome yet?
Diaz I'm not familiar with.
Not lately he isn't, although he doesn't have Tanaka's elbow concerns and a much team-friendlier contract.
If Sale pitches closer to 2014 than 2015-16, then the deal is a winner for Boston. However, with him moving to a much tougher park for pitchers and a stronger division, what if his performance slips a bit further beyond his recent numbers and Moncada becomes an All-Star?
Just saying this deal isn't a cut and dried Sawx win.
Also, wasn't the tax on that like double? Didn't it end up bring almost 60 million in signing bonus. That's a ton of money to get zero return on.
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Serious question.
Not lately he isn't, although he doesn't have Tanaka's elbow concerns and a much team-friendlier contract.
If Sale pitches closer to 2014 than 2015-16, then the deal is a winner for Boston. However, with him moving to a much tougher park for pitchers and a stronger division, what if his performance slips a bit further beyond his recent numbers and Moncada becomes an All-Star?
Just saying this deal isn't a cut and dried Sawx win.
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Singing bonus was something like 32 million. I assume that's the "lost" money with Chicago taking on the rest.
Also, wasn't the tax on that like double? Didn't it end up bring almost 60 million in signing bonus. That's a ton of money to get zero return on.
As Z noted it was like 30 for the bonus and 30 for the tax. The remaining payments are basically a MiLB salary -- i.e. nothing.
White helping Red if you ask me. This is certainly not the value most expected was necessary to get Sale. I thought it was going to take Giolito+Robles++
Although I don't know enough about the non-Moncada prospects
Sale is good, but some people like to speak of him as if he were the AL equivalent of Kershaw. He's not, at least not lately. And, again, pitching half his starts in Fenway's not going to be a boon for him.
Not really. Moncada is more highly regarded than either Frazier or Rutherford, but none of the secondary pieces are close to their level.
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Frazier, Rutherford, Acevedo and Amburgey.
Not really. Moncada is more highly regarded than either Frazier or Rutherford, but none of the secondary pieces are close to their level.
Oh I agree. Moncada , when you factor in his deal, was easily the best kid available unless the reports on Giolito were totally off-base. They basically fell in love with him and forgot about needing a second sure-thing piece.
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Frazier, Rutherford, Acevedo and Amburgey.
Not really. Moncada is more highly regarded than either Frazier or Rutherford, but none of the secondary pieces are close to their level.
I don't know the ranking of Frazier or Rutherford, but Kopech is a wild card. He throws 100, but as I mentioned before he has a nuke laloosh head. He was suspended for PEDs (stimulant) and broke his hand in a fight with a teammate.
but his potential is very high I'd be glad he was included in the trade as a Red Sox hater.
I posted this earlier.
Panda looks like he lost half his body weight.