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DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 1:13 pm
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BREAKING: Sale to #RedSox. Moncada, Kopech and two other prospects to #WhiteSox.
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Wow great haul for Chicago  
Rflairr : 12/6/2016 1:14 pm : link
They got Moncada
Wow.  
bceagle05 : 12/6/2016 1:14 pm : link
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Well, at least they paid a ransom to get him  
aimrocky : 12/6/2016 1:16 pm : link
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Gave up  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 1:16 pm : link
Moncada, shocked.

See who the other two pieces are, but I might be somewhat vindicated when a lot of people screamed at me and said Sale would cost the Red Sox Moncada, Benintendi and Devers.

I said two of the three at most.

Kopech throws 100, but has a nuke laloosh head.

Will be tough facing him a ton  
Stu11 : 12/6/2016 1:19 pm : link
but at least the Yanks are loaded up on righty bats so they have a fighting chance.
good for the Mets  
bigblue12 : 12/6/2016 1:19 pm : link
Surprised they gave up Moncada. Sale is so good. I would have given up anyone for him.
Wonder if Moncada  
aimrocky : 12/6/2016 1:23 pm : link
regrets spurning the Yanks for Boston...
Wow, surprised ...  
Beer Man : 12/6/2016 1:23 pm : link
Saw a news flash earlier today (or yesterday) that the White Sox were close to trading him to the Nats.
shitty news  
RasputinPrime : 12/6/2016 1:30 pm : link
I was praying he'd go to the Nats.

Hope this isn't another BS trade where the Sox get off light. Devers or Bradley Jr. better be in that package.
RE: good for the Mets  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2016 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13251862 bigblue12 said:
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Surprised they gave up Moncada. Sale is so good. I would have given up anyone for him.


He was that good in 2014. Since then, not so much.
for the first time in my life as a Yankee fan  
Giantsfan79 : 12/6/2016 1:31 pm : link
I can understand what I feels like when the rival team swoops in and trades for the big name. That used to be us.
Who are the other two prospects?  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 1:33 pm : link
please be Devers and/or Groome.

Can they trade Groome yet?
Also, Fenway tends to be tough on LHP  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2016 1:34 pm : link
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Leave it to  
ryanmkeane : 12/6/2016 1:34 pm : link
Dombrowski to come in and completely wipe out the Sox farm system and cash within a few seasons.
The thing about trading Moncoda  
Deej : 12/6/2016 1:34 pm : link
is that it's a 60 million trade chip, right? YM basically is like a transfer fee for Boston. It's like turning his 3/40 contract into a 3/100 contract, except Boston is already out the first 60 million.
This is beyond horrible  
Bill L : 12/6/2016 1:37 pm : link
This is past Mike Lynn territory
Oh well  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 1:37 pm : link
no Devers or Groome.

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The #WhiteSox will also acquire Basabe and V. Diaz from #RedSox
Basabe  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 1:38 pm : link
top 10 Red Sox prospect.

Diaz I'm not familiar with.
Deej  
capone : 12/6/2016 1:38 pm : link
Spot on... and groome can't be moved
Is Sale any better than Tanaka?  
Eli Wilson : 12/6/2016 1:40 pm : link
Serious question.
Is Boston out the $60 million ?  
Ron from Ninerland : 12/6/2016 1:40 pm : link
Thats the first thing I thought about when I read about this deal. Are we sure that the White Sox don't have to pay the pro-rated portion of that $ 60 mil ? Either way it looks like a very good deal for the Red Sox. They get a true ace for a reasonable contract.
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Danny Kanell : 12/6/2016 1:41 pm : link
Wow. That's all I have. Wow.
Moncada's  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 1:42 pm : link
Singing bonus was something like 32 million. I assume that's the "lost" money with Chicago taking on the rest.
RE: Is Sale any better than Tanaka?  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2016 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13251917 Eli Wilson said:
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Serious question.


Not lately he isn't, although he doesn't have Tanaka's elbow concerns and a much team-friendlier contract.

If Sale pitches closer to 2014 than 2015-16, then the deal is a winner for Boston. However, with him moving to a much tougher park for pitchers and a stronger division, what if his performance slips a bit further beyond his recent numbers and Moncada becomes an All-Star?

Just saying this deal isn't a cut and dried Sawx win.
RE: Moncada's  
ZGiants98 : 12/6/2016 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13251922 DanMetroMan said:
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Singing bonus was something like 32 million. I assume that's the "lost" money with Chicago taking on the rest.


Also, wasn't the tax on that like double? Didn't it end up bring almost 60 million in signing bonus. That's a ton of money to get zero return on.
RE: RE: Is Sale any better than Tanaka?  
Bill L : 12/6/2016 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13251924 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13251917 Eli Wilson said:


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Serious question.



Not lately he isn't, although he doesn't have Tanaka's elbow concerns and a much team-friendlier contract.

If Sale pitches closer to 2014 than 2015-16, then the deal is a winner for Boston. However, with him moving to a much tougher park for pitchers and a stronger division, what if his performance slips a bit further beyond his recent numbers and Moncada becomes an All-Star?

Just saying this deal isn't a cut and dried Sawx win.
It's not a win at all. It's the opposite of a win times a million zillion.
Sale is a bad locker room guy  
capone : 12/6/2016 1:47 pm : link
But winning is a great deodorant - he might not like being paid less than price
RE: RE: Moncada's  
Bill L : 12/6/2016 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13251927 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13251922 DanMetroMan said:


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Singing bonus was something like 32 million. I assume that's the "lost" money with Chicago taking on the rest.



Also, wasn't the tax on that like double? Didn't it end up bring almost 60 million in signing bonus. That's a ton of money to get zero return on.
NOt only that, but it indirectly led to the Sox making under the table deals (apparently standard practice but the team made an example of) which cost them their ability to sign players at all for a year.
The Sox  
ryanmkeane : 12/6/2016 1:48 pm : link
pitching aside from Porcello and a healthy Wright was flat out dreadful. That's probably what pushed the needle.
Ohh Fuuddge!  
shelovesnycsports : 12/6/2016 1:50 pm : link
Only I didn't say Fudge!
Sale  
PaulBlakeTSU : 12/6/2016 1:53 pm : link
finished tied for 5th in pitching WAR (fangraphs) in 2016, 5th in 2015, tied 8th in 2014 (low innings). That puts him at #3 over the last two seasons. I'm too lazy to look up baseball-reference. Obviously, it isn't the be-all, end-all way to evaluate a pitcher, but he is a stud. Will be a great piece for Boston and will be 28.
RE: Moncada's  
Deej : 12/6/2016 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13251922 DanMetroMan said:
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Singing bonus was something like 32 million. I assume that's the "lost" money with Chicago taking on the rest.


As Z noted it was like 30 for the bonus and 30 for the tax. The remaining payments are basically a MiLB salary -- i.e. nothing.
as a comp with the Yankees system  
RasputinPrime : 12/6/2016 1:55 pm : link
Frazier, Rutherford, Acevedo and Amburgey.

White helping Red if you ask me. This is certainly not the value most expected was necessary to get Sale. I thought it was going to take Giolito+Robles++
Good trade for both  
kash94 : 12/6/2016 1:56 pm : link
sides I think. Sale is as close to a stud as you can get if you factor in durability, the fact he's a lefty, and contract.

Although I don't know enough about the non-Moncada prospects
Dombrowski doesn't fool around.  
yatqb : 12/6/2016 1:58 pm : link
Pretty impressive trade.
He wasn't top ten in BWAR for pitchers in 2015-16  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2016 1:59 pm : link
3.3 in 2015 and 4.9 in 2016 after 5.9, 6.9, 6.6 the previous three seasons.

Sale is good, but some people like to speak of him as if he were the AL equivalent of Kershaw. He's not, at least not lately. And, again, pitching half his starts in Fenway's not going to be a boon for him.
Dombrowski should get hit by a bus  
Bill L : 12/6/2016 2:00 pm : link
(now watch him get hit by a bus today and I'll have to feel guilty on top of everything else).
RE: as a comp with the Yankees system  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2016 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13251952 RasputinPrime said:
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Frazier, Rutherford, Acevedo and Amburgey.


Not really. Moncada is more highly regarded than either Frazier or Rutherford, but none of the secondary pieces are close to their level.
looked  
mitch300 : 12/6/2016 2:02 pm : link
up his contract. It says that 2018 and 2019 are club options or 1 million buyout. Does that carry over when it is a new club?
Just speculation...  
JoeMoney19 : 12/6/2016 2:03 pm : link
but Encarnacion to Boston seems like the presumable next shoe to drop now.
RE: RE: as a comp with the Yankees system  
RasputinPrime : 12/6/2016 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13251961 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13251952 RasputinPrime said:


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Frazier, Rutherford, Acevedo and Amburgey.



Not really. Moncada is more highly regarded than either Frazier or Rutherford, but none of the secondary pieces are close to their level.


Oh I agree. Moncada , when you factor in his deal, was easily the best kid available unless the reports on Giolito were totally off-base. They basically fell in love with him and forgot about needing a second sure-thing piece.
RE: looked  
DanMetroMan : 12/6/2016 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13251962 mitch300 said:
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up his contract. It says that 2018 and 2019 are club options or 1 million buyout. Does that carry over when it is a new club?


Yes
I expect Sale to be great for the Sox  
Heisenberg : 12/6/2016 2:06 pm : link
He's been trying to work his way out of Chicago for a while now. Will probably be rejuvenated in Boston.
BTW, who's playing third for the Sawx?  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2016 2:07 pm : link
They dealt Shaw and now Moncada. I'm going to laugh if they trot Panda out there.
If I'm not mistaken, Moncada is listed as the best prospect in basebal  
Bill L : 12/6/2016 2:08 pm : link
if so, by definition he is more highly regarded than anyone else. Kopech is going to be really good IMO. I think he could top off as a 1 but his floor might be a 3. He also could play as an elite closer. Sale is superfluous in light of giving up Espinoza to get a mediocre Pomeranz and backing up the truck to get Price all within 12 months. He's just chasing mistakes to compound them at this point and draining the life out of the system.
RE: BTW, who's playing third for the Sawx?  
Bill L : 12/6/2016 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13251974 Greg from LI said:
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They dealt Shaw and now Moncada. I'm going to laugh if they trot Panda out there.
Get ready to laugh. I also think they will try to put Holt in there. Holt is a great player as a utility guy but gets exposed as JAG when put in as a regular.
RE: RE: as a comp with the Yankees system  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13251961 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13251952 RasputinPrime said:


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Frazier, Rutherford, Acevedo and Amburgey.



Not really. Moncada is more highly regarded than either Frazier or Rutherford, but none of the secondary pieces are close to their level.


I don't know the ranking of Frazier or Rutherford, but Kopech is a wild card. He throws 100, but as I mentioned before he has a nuke laloosh head. He was suspended for PEDs (stimulant) and broke his hand in a fight with a teammate.

but his potential is very high I'd be glad he was included in the trade as a Red Sox hater.



At least the Yanks are under the luxury tax  
superspynyg : 12/6/2016 2:10 pm : link
with no SP!!!!
RE: BTW, who's playing third for the Sawx?  
pjcas18 : 12/6/2016 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13251974 Greg from LI said:
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They dealt Shaw and now Moncada. I'm going to laugh if they trot Panda out there.


I posted this earlier.

Panda looks like he lost half his body weight.

Every few years Panda loses a bunch of weight  
Greg from LI : 12/6/2016 2:12 pm : link
It never lasts.
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