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Mike in Long Beach : 12/6/2016 1:58 pm
Not sure why the first thread was deleted... because it accidentally wasn't an NFT? Your donation money hard at work. Great job, mods.

Sorry all the updates were lost.

- Unnamed Islander out with the flu (Mayfield recalled)
- Grabner out because of a death in the family
- Tavares is Vesey's bitch
- Halak in net according to Greg

That's all I saw before the deletion.
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RE: game winner was shit play by Hank  
JayBinQueens : 12/6/2016 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13252655 SethFromAstoria said:
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but how the holy fuck does this asshole not know the slashig rule on a stick? Is this a pro team? Congrats Isles fans. Got your bounces and average goaltending today but holy shit your announcers are sad. and the 4th goal....penalty my balls.

Haha I wouldn't complain about calls at the end there.

Definitely got some bounces but Halak played a great game.

I'd like to see how it would have ended with Nash and Grabner playing
hoya  
pganut : 12/6/2016 9:43 pm : link
Good game. Always a taut, exciting matchup. Jaro was Good Jaro tonight and the difference. Lots of hockey left and we'll see you guys again down the road.
Too many more injuries  
Kyle in NY : 12/6/2016 9:45 pm : link
and AV won't be able to resist getting TG15 back up here. Surprised it hasn't already happened
RE: game winner was shit play by Hank  
bigbluehoya : 12/6/2016 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13252655 SethFromAstoria said:
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but how the holy fuck does this asshole not know the slashig rule on a stick? Is this a pro team? Congrats Isles fans. Got your bounces and average goaltending today but holy shit your announcers are sad. and the 4th goal....penalty my balls.


Why were you listening to the Isles coverage?
RE: This team is going nowhere without a #1 RD  
SethFromAstoria : 12/6/2016 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13252654 Anakim said:
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Klein has taken a step back and Girardi? Yeah, no comment.


you made a comment. Its sad you can't just move past what you don't seem to grasp but there's a real thing where players are not playing their best and aren't taking steps back or big massive issues. Klein is not a top pair player. He gets more minutes against better players, you see it. Why do you and so many others prefer to watch single games and make them define whole roster issues or large problems? The team is at the top of the whole fucking league and is +30. If you start a month winning every game and go into a streak of less than ideal play when you are without major players, its not really a tragic problem. The team is in need of 1 or 2 upgrades but holy crap. WHen you watch a team play a quarter of a season and look absurdly good, the reaction doesn;t have to be so damn sad and overblown. How long ago did they g on a west coast trip and beat ass 3 games in a row right before this mini slump?
Congrats  
Drewcon40 : 12/6/2016 9:51 pm : link
You bastards

Mike in LB aka fekker dipietro, fish, Dave, jay bin, kwhite,
And of course my bud pga (sorry if missed anyone)

Congrats - dec 6 is kick drewcon in the c day!!!

: )
RE: RE: This team is going nowhere without a #1 RD  
Anakim : 12/6/2016 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13252673 SethFromAstoria said:
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In comment 13252654 Anakim said:


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Klein has taken a step back and Girardi? Yeah, no comment.



you made a comment. Its sad you can't just move past what you don't seem to grasp but there's a real thing where players are not playing their best and aren't taking steps back or big massive issues. Klein is not a top pair player. He gets more minutes against better players, you see it. Why do you and so many others prefer to watch single games and make them define whole roster issues or large problems? The team is at the top of the whole fucking league and is +30. If you start a month winning every game and go into a streak of less than ideal play when you are without major players, its not really a tragic problem. The team is in need of 1 or 2 upgrades but holy crap. WHen you watch a team play a quarter of a season and look absurdly good, the reaction doesn;t have to be so damn sad and overblown. How long ago did they g on a west coast trip and beat ass 3 games in a row right before this mini slump?



Wanna clarify some of that verbal diarrhea?
Seth, but now they're not top of the league anymore  
Kyle in NY : 12/6/2016 9:52 pm : link
and they're getting chased down fast by a number of teams. I know you're not a stats guy but even you must be taking notice of the team spending inordinate amounts of time in their own zone, right? And it's not just a single game. This is a stretch of about 15 games now where issues we suspected were there are starting to come to the surface. 4-5-1 in their last 10 and bottom 5 in the league in score adjusted CF%

Feels just like last year, right down to you having the same arguments on here about it.
Hey Drewcon  
NewBlue : 12/6/2016 9:52 pm : link
This enemy is not like the jETS right
Drewcon, thanks, bud  
pganut : 12/6/2016 10:04 pm : link
I guess this was the payback for all the birthday rowdiness you must've gotten into!

Big win for the Isles...that's 9 of 10 possible points against the likes of the Cup champs, Prez Cup winners and one of the best teams this year in the Rangers. It's a needed confidence boost for a struggling team (although unlike some of your bretheren feel, they are not bottom feeders, owning multiple 100 point seasons in recent times, but a team floundering under the weight of lackluster and tuned-out coaching). No one on our side thinks a turnaround is in effect, but these are necessary wins to get the team on the right mental heading moving forward.
RE: Congrats  
Fish : 12/6/2016 10:05 pm : link
In comment 13252679 Drewcon40 said:
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You bastards

Mike in LB aka fekker dipietro, fish, Dave, jay bin, kwhite,
And of course my bud pga (sorry if missed anyone)

Congrats - dec 6 is kick drewcon in the c day!!!

: )


Thanks bud.
How's Nash and Puempel?  
Anakim : 12/6/2016 10:08 pm : link
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Groin for Nash, concussion for Puempel  
Kyle in NY : 12/6/2016 10:09 pm : link
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Just saw this (not about the game)  
JayBinQueens : 12/6/2016 10:10 pm : link
for those that like the NFL Color Rush...
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Groin for Nash, concussion for Puempel  
Anakim : 12/6/2016 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13252696 Kyle in NY said:
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Not a big loss with Puemp. How serious is the Nash injury?
dunno bud  
Kyle in NY : 12/6/2016 10:19 pm : link
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The Met is just incredible this year  
Anakim : 12/6/2016 10:20 pm : link
Rangers, Penguins and Blue Jackets are 3 of the top 5 teams points-wise.


Flyers are red hot. Islanders are coming up the rear fast. Devils just got Taylor Hall back and are winning again. Capitals are always a threat.
RE: Hey Drewcon  
Drewcon40 : 12/6/2016 10:23 pm : link
In comment 13252684 NewBlue said:
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This enemy is not like the jETS right


Of course my friend
RE: The Met is just incredible this year  
Anakim : 12/6/2016 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13252705 Anakim said:
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Rangers, Penguins and Blue Jackets are 3 of the top 5 teams points-wise.


Flyers are red hot. Islanders are coming up the rear fast. Devils just got Taylor Hall back and are winning again. Capitals are always a threat.


4 of the top 6 teams in the NHL are in the Met
That shit sucked  
Davisian : 12/6/2016 11:20 pm : link
But I'm all on board the Hrivik love train.
I don't know about this -- we may have to ban  
gidiefor : Mod : 12/7/2016 7:22 am : link
Islanders fans from posting Ranger/Islander threads
RE: That shit sucked  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2016 7:33 am : link
In comment 13252730 Davisian said:
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But I'm all on board the Hrivik love train.


Definitely a better option than at least 2 or 3 of Pirri, Peumpel, Lindberg, Jooris, if not all of them.
Great job last night by the  
Metnut : 12/7/2016 9:23 am : link
Islanders beating both the referees and the Rangers. If NYR's goalie doesn't play well, they can be handled by a lot of teams despite the talent at forward. If Islanders are fortunate enough to rally and make the playoffs, Rangers would be a nice first round matchup for the Islanders IMO.

Was nice to see the scoring very spread out last night. The Islanders don't really have top heavy lines, so if they are going to be successful they are going to need all 4 lines to score to some extent. It'd be nice if last night can jump start Ladd a bit.
What makes you think last night  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2016 9:31 am : link
Is closer to the Rangers you'd be getting in the playoffs than the Rangers who skull-fucked you on opening night?

I do have to agree, though, that if you can get a playoff matchup against a team without 3 of its top 9 forwards, you should relish the opportunity...

If you can make the playoffs.
When you fall behind like the Islanders have  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/7/2016 9:40 am : link
it's so hard to make up ground. We've gone 4-0-1 in our last 5 games, including beating the top 3 teams in the division (at the time Washington was one of them), and we've gone from 9 out of the 8 seed to 6, lol.

So much work to do, but glad we've strung some wins together here.

I am not a ref-complainer, but in person it did seem to be one of those games where the calls went against us.
RE: What makes you think last night  
Metnut : 12/7/2016 9:41 am : link
In comment 13253010 bigbluehoya said:
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Is closer to the Rangers you'd be getting in the playoffs than the Rangers who skull-fucked you on opening night?



Because NYR havn't really played like they did the first few weeks of the season lately (4-5-1 in last ten)?

There's still a ton of season left. How teams look in the first few weeks of the season isn't always how they look heading into the playoffs (see 2015-2016 Rangers for an example).

Rangers have the highest PDO in the league (not a good thing)  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/7/2016 9:42 am : link
I think they're closer to the team they've been recently than in the beginning... I'm not bragging with that. You out-attempted us by 10 during 5-on-5 play.
Rangers have the highest PDO in the league (not a good thing)  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/7/2016 9:43 am : link
I think they're closer to the team they've been recently than in the beginning... I'm not bragging with that. You out-attempted us by 10 during 5-on-5 play so you weren't the slouches you're making yourselves out to be last night.
Wow, weird.  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/7/2016 9:43 am : link
Don't know how that first one submitted.
If Strome and Bailey  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2016 9:47 am : link
Had missed the last 10 games for the Islanders, how panicked would you be about a 4-5-1 record during that span?

Admittedly the comparison doesn't work well because your forwards suck.
Hahaha.  
Dave M : 12/7/2016 9:48 am : link
Bad bounces and luck. I wish I could've put money on that. The game was won in the 1st when Halak stood on his head. The Rangers could've had 4 goals in the 1st if it wasn't for the King Slayer.

I thought all the calls on the Islanders were legit calls but the missed calls the other way were an issue. The refs had a bad night. What were the Rangers doing at the end of the game? First by not giving up the puck to get the 2 man advantage earlier and then just passing the puck around on the pp down 2 goals. Weird.
RE: If Strome and Bailey  
Dave M : 12/7/2016 9:53 am : link
In comment 13253048 bigbluehoya said:
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Had missed the last 10 games for the Islanders, how panicked would you be about a 4-5-1 record during that span?

Admittedly the comparison doesn't work well because your forwards suck.


Bailey has actually been pretty good. Lol. No. Seriously.
Bailey has points in 6 straight games now.  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/7/2016 9:56 am : link
On pace for 52, which would be 11 more than his career high.
RE: Rangers have the highest PDO in the league (not a good thing)  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2016 9:58 am : link
In comment 13253035 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I think they're closer to the team they've been recently than in the beginning... I'm not bragging with that. You out-attempted us by 10 during 5-on-5 play so you weren't the slouches you're making yourselves out to be last night.


Absolutely fair. The Rangers were due for some mean reversion after a hot start. I didn't think they played an awful game last night. Goalie got outplayed significantly, Hank directly handed the Isles a game winner, and I thought they completely ran out of steam in the third down 2 skaters.

On the other side, Isles played OK. JT gonna JT, Halak stood on his head, and you guys mostly kept the front of your net clean. You won without playing a really strong game; that's a good sign.

I wasn't making the Rangers out to be slouches, but it's a little silly for someone to circle game against the team the rangers put out there last night and say you want them in a playoff series.
RE: If Strome and Bailey  
Metnut : 12/7/2016 10:00 am : link
In comment 13253048 bigbluehoya said:
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Had missed the last 10 games for the Islanders, how panicked would you be about a 4-5-1 record during that span?

Admittedly the comparison doesn't work well because your forwards suck.


They were good enough to put some goals in last night. I'll take it.
Im still very worried about the puck possession  
Deej : 12/7/2016 10:04 am : link
Girardi and the bottom pair are not getting it done.

But lets be clear. Rangers were without Mika, Buch, and Grabs. Nash, Staal, and Vesey were hurt during the game (as was our 12th forward). It's not all that fair to say that this is the "real" Rangers.
RE: RE: If Strome and Bailey  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2016 10:09 am : link
In comment 13253091 Metnut said:
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In comment 13253048 bigbluehoya said:


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Had missed the last 10 games for the Islanders, how panicked would you be about a 4-5-1 record during that span?

Admittedly the comparison doesn't work well because your forwards suck.



They were good enough to put some goals in last night. I'll take it.


I get it -- When someone points out that your argument is completely stupid, just say "scoreboard".
and I'm convinced Kreider is playing at less than 100%, Deej  
Greg from LI : 12/7/2016 10:15 am : link
He's just not the same guy he was the first few weeks.
RE: and I'm convinced Kreider is playing at less than 100%, Deej  
Deej : 12/7/2016 10:20 am : link
In comment 13253144 Greg from LI said:
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He's just not the same guy he was the first few weeks.


I thought he looked better last night than he had in a while (and Staal looked fantastic even if he did screen Hank on the JT goal).

It is far from clear to me whether Kreider has been playing hurt, or it's just his usual inconsistency.
Miller is playing very, very hurt  
Deej : 12/7/2016 10:20 am : link
they talked about it at the beginning of the telecast.
Greg  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2016 10:21 am : link
I had been thinking the same, but in the last two games Kreider has looked 100% back to where he needs to be physically, to my eye.

I think any remaining difference in effectiveness is partly attributable to his constantly changing linemates lately and specifically missing the 2 Fs with which he's had the best rapport of any teammates we've seen in his career.

And I am painfully aware that these are exactly the type of rationalizations that people have been making for CK for years...
RE: RE: RE: If Strome and Bailey  
Metnut : 12/7/2016 10:27 am : link
In comment 13253121 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 13253091 Metnut said:


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In comment 13253048 bigbluehoya said:


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Had missed the last 10 games for the Islanders, how panicked would you be about a 4-5-1 record during that span?

Admittedly the comparison doesn't work well because your forwards suck.



They were good enough to put some goals in last night. I'll take it.



I get it -- When someone points out that your argument is completely stupid, just say "scoreboard".


I'm not even sure what your argument is. All you really said was that the Islanders forwards "suck" and pointed to the opening night scoreboard and blamed injuries for recent poor play.

What's your argument? That if by some miracle the Islanders make the playoffs this year they should hope to face Tampa, Pitt or Washington instead of NYR? Is that your point?
RE: RE: RE: RE: If Strome and Bailey  
Deej : 12/7/2016 10:32 am : link
In comment 13253180 Metnut said:
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In comment 13253121 bigbluehoya said:


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In comment 13253091 Metnut said:


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In comment 13253048 bigbluehoya said:


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Had missed the last 10 games for the Islanders, how panicked would you be about a 4-5-1 record during that span?

Admittedly the comparison doesn't work well because your forwards suck.



They were good enough to put some goals in last night. I'll take it.



I get it -- When someone points out that your argument is completely stupid, just say "scoreboard".



I'm not even sure what your argument is. All you really said was that the Islanders forwards "suck" and pointed to the opening night scoreboard and blamed injuries for recent poor play.

What's your argument? That if by some miracle the Islanders make the playoffs this year they should hope to face Tampa, Pitt or Washington instead of NYR? Is that your point?


Your momma
bigbluehoya... definitely not the brightest of the Ranger fan bunch.  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/7/2016 10:35 am : link
Don't bother, Metnut.
RE: and I'm convinced Kreider is playing at less than 100%, Deej  
pganut : 12/7/2016 10:37 am : link
In comment 13253144 Greg from LI said:
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He's just not the same guy he was the first few weeks.
He'd have to be, given every hockey announcer proclaiming his near superhuman size and speed, to be knocked down and draw a penalty by a love tap from our favorite 98 pound weakling, Thomas Hickey. Unless he...gasp...embellished. Nah, not possible...
I think I made my point pretty clear  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2016 10:41 am : link
You just beat a badly hobbled team and then said you think you're a great matchup against them in the playoffs. It was a pretty stupid comment even putting aside the fact that the Isles have some fairly long odds to make the playoffs.

Be happy that you won. The Isles absolutely deserved to win. Congrats again.

No one is making excuses, or injury excuses, for last night's loss. Injuries certainly have been a factor contributing to the string of poor play lately, but horrendous play from the defensemen and lackluster goaltending have been equally to blame and equally pointed out by NYR fans on this board/thread almost ad nauseum. But read what you want to read.
What happened to our harmonious dialogue?  
Drewcon40 : 12/7/2016 10:43 am : link
We were all "naaah you guys aren't that bad"....and "I agree but...."

When is our next game (Feb 16?)?

**not sure if it was posted but Niklas Jensen has been recalled by the Rangers.
RE: bigbluehoya... definitely not the brightest of the Ranger fan bunch.  
bigbluehoya : 12/7/2016 10:46 am : link
In comment 13253209 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Don't bother, Metnut.


We'll count on you to keep elevating the level of hockey discussion around here, Mike. So put the dolls away and see if you can contribute any actual insight to hockey threads other than re-typing random stats that any of us can see on twitter.
RE: What happened to our harmonious dialogue?  
Deej : 12/7/2016 10:47 am : link
In comment 13253238 Drewcon40 said:
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We were all "naaah you guys aren't that bad"....and "I agree but...."

When is our next game (Feb 16?)?

**not sure if it was posted but Niklas Jensen has been recalled by the Rangers.


Increasingly optimistic that we've actually seen the last of Tanner Glass.
Not to go off topic but with both fans active on this thread...  
Drewcon40 : 12/7/2016 10:48 am : link
...someone (I forget who, I am sorry), posted about a hockey documentary about enforcers. I believe Tony Twist, Kocur, Probert appears among many others. I couldn't find it in the archives. Do you guys recall what I am referring to?

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