With all the Flowers talk, I thought it would be interesting to revisit what was said about him during draft season. Early on he was looked upon as a late-first round pick by the consensus, but his stock rose as it got closer and closer to draft day (much like with Jack Conklin this past April).
Here are some snippets from Boylhart......
He has all the physical attributes you look for in an offensive tackle for the next level. He has quick feet to go along with those long arms and legs and that will serve him well at the next level...Ereck has played on both sides of the offensive line and although he has done a solid job on the left side at the college level, he might be more suited to playing on the right side at the NFL level....His techniques are very poor and his physical stamina to play a full game without fading in the fourth quarter and committing penalties will be a big problem at the next level...given time and a better work ethic, Ereck could become a standout offensive lineman...The NFL is a 24/7, 365 job if you want to be successful...I don’t believe Ereck has that work ethic with what I see in his play on the field...His techniques are poor and while he has those quick feet that get him into the correct position to block, he has no technique to follow through and finish. He gets tired and when he gets tired, he gets mad and commits a bunch of penalties. His favorite pass blocking techniques when he gets tired is to take both his hands and clamp down on the outside shoulders of his opponent and hold him so that a pass rush move cannot be used against him. Ladies and gentlemen, that’s called holding at the NFL level...I don’t think he plays with enough pride to be a left tackle...Maybe Ereck, with a little help from a cattle prod, will become better than I have suggested but right now, I think there are other offensive linemen who will be better and I would let some other team “coach him up” first! |
Feel free to add scouting reports from other draftniks.
Drew Boylhart's full profile - (
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You know Mara doesn't hire best.O'hara thinks Flowers
is bad.
Ereck Flowers Hurricanes Bio - ( New Window )
I'm not sure what this means!
Jumbo Elliott was a guy slated to play RT in the NFL. Nobody considered him a LT. He struggled in his first start against Too Tall Jones (but what rookie wouldn't) at RT. Later in the season he was moved to LT and the rest history. The difference with Elliott's scouting report and Flowers is that nobody questioned Elliots drive, technique or willingness to work. It was all athleticism for the LT position that was questioned. BUT, as we all have seen and know, technique and hunger, drive and determination can make up for an or neutralize athleticism if that is all the other person has. Flowers is athletic for a big dude but seems lazy, and just is a mess with the nuances of playing the position.
I didn't like the pick when it was made and I like it less now. He is getting worse not better.
Right from the snap of the ball, he is back pedaling....
I never see him attack a pass rusher and stop him, dead in his tracks.....it's no wonder speed rushers, with moves, get by him and then he has to grab on......
"It's all Bill Clay's fault"
I'm not sure what this means!
I don't know how you interpret what I wrote above as such. But from the bio:
I interpret that after the Cinci start at OLT, it isn't clear what role he played Virginia Tech. At which point, he was injured. The next week he returned to the field against Florida State (what position?). Started on offensive line against Virginia (not LT?). Started season finale on offensive line (not LT?). Started in Duck Commander Independence Bowl (not LT?).
Perhaps it is just a sloppy bio, but it emphasizes the start at LT where applicable. But the final starts, he only played on the offensive line. Had their coach opted to move him? Was it because of injury at other positions that forced a move? Or was it that another player beat him out of the position at LT?
Right from the snap of the ball, he is back pedaling....
I never see him attack a pass rusher and stop him, dead in his tracks.....it's no wonder speed rushers, with moves, get by him and then he has to grab on......
Doomster, man, you are just full of shit. He put Carlos Dunlap to sleep the entire game against Cincy. Were you watching that game? Or does it not fit your narrative because it actually happened?
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2. ERECK FLOWERS, Miami (6-6½, 326, 5.34, 1): Third-year junior who prepped in Miami. "Big, rugged, physical right tackle," said one scout. "Starts right away." Made four starts at RT in 2012 and 24 at LT in 2013-'14. "Violent, physical player," another scout said. "Fundamentally, he's got to clean some things up. He ducks his head. He tries to win with all upper body. He's got to learn to play with more patience." Led O-linemen in bench-press reps with 37. "Strictly a right tackle or guard," a third scout said. "He can't play left tackle because he isn't quick. He is powerful and he does have an anchor. He's stiff, so he has problems with adjust and recovery. He carries his hands low. He needs a lot of work with his hands. Big disappointment of the (top) group.
Now in his 2nd season this is exactly what he is and is exactly what he does . Problem is none of that has changed
but obviously someone doesn't want to be proven wrong .
Unless you're there in the war room, how on Earth would you know this?
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Instead of observing for himself. I really wish he moved on.
Unless you're there in the war room, how on Earth would you know this?
The "Marc Ross is an issue" crew on BBI is fascinating one. This is a guy who's appeared on camera on "Finding Giants" and people here act like they have a fucking clue and comment on his job performance.
Now- I'm not saying saying he's great at what he does. I'm simply saying nobody here has any real evidence to support their posts.
It's silly.
the NFL. I also don't buy the statement that he doesn't work hard enough or his work ethic is questionable. He has an edge and seems like one of the tougher guys. The Giants did not want him to start at LT last year but when Beatty got hurt, they felt they had to. He's a work in process and has a ways to jo but playing next to Pugh consistently should help. I also think he gets called for holding doing the same thing that oppositional LTs don't get called for . It looked like the guy blocking Vernon was doing the same things Flowers was doing all game but not getting called