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And Im only sharing because others in the past have asked me to share when I heard things, MD from MMO (Who Joe and others have backed) is saying the Mets might be involved in a move that includes Mets starting pitching. He says Rosario is not involved but some of our starting pitching is and this is something there has been dialogue with in the past and will shake up our team a bit.

Not necessarily saying something will go down.

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And Im only sharing because others in the past have asked me to share when I heard things, MD from MMO (Who Joe and others have backed) is saying the Mets might be involved in a move that includes Mets starting pitching. He says Rosario is not involved but some of our starting pitching is and this is something there has been dialogue with in the past and will shake up our team a bit.

McCutchen?

Mentions it's a team that would "match up" with us well on paper so I'm guessing obviously that means a team that needs SP. So far his hit rate is pretty good but not perfect. Said in August he thought Wright would retire in the offseason and that there were actual conversations that took place discussing the possibilities of it and that doesn't appear to be the case now. Flip side, he nailed Cespedes when we first traded for him, actually said the Nats were being used in regards to Sale yesterday, ect. Kind of mentions things the media never picks up on which I thnk is cool.... For instance, told all of us that Sandy was discussing a "different Cuban" at the deadline last year but he wasn't allowed to talk about it until after the season. Then when asked told us it was actually Kendrys Morales which sort of makes sense with Duda on the Mets out and the Royals pretty much out of it. Im not backing him one way or the other. Do I think he's legit? Yes. Do I know for a fact? Of course not.

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They wanted Rosario.

But not for Rosario. That's ridiculous.

By the Rays 12.5 guaranteed for Ramos. Fantastic move for them. 2 year deal

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By the Rays 12.5 guaranteed for Ramos. Fantastic move for them. 2 year deal

I am shocked he signed for so little despite the injury. Atlanta should have been all over him at that price.

basically admits it would be "fun" to see Tebow in camp. Talk about a sideshow..

But Morales was absolutely never, EVER going to be a Met... And I don't think anyone believes the Nats were being used, that trade was very close to a reality.

bases?

I think it would be fun to see him in spring training too.

Even if it is a side show.

Can't be worse than Cespedes riding a horse to spring training or a different car every day for the first week+

The Mets desperately need speed IMO. One of the reasons I'd consider Rosario sooner rather than later (like Super 2 vs September).

and if the Mets are in contention in September Champ Stuart would be a guy I call up even just to pinch run (and play defense?) (101 SB's to 15 CS in the minors)

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bases? I think it would be fun to see him in spring training too. Even if it is a side show. Can't be worse than Cespedes riding a horse to spring training or a different car every day for the first week+ The Mets desperately need speed IMO. One of the reasons I'd consider Rosario sooner rather than later (like Super 2 vs September). and if the Mets are in contention in September Champ Stuart would be a guy I call up even just to pinch run (and play defense?) (101 SB's to 15 CS in the minors)

Runs well for his size but no, his speed is average at best. He's not going to be a guy you use as a speedy pinch runner. Stuart might be.

has an 70/80 arm and 70/80 speed (and is a great baserunner). K-rate really crushes his upside unless something changes.

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has an 70/80 arm and 70/80 speed (and is a great baserunner). K-rate really crushes his upside unless something changes.

Pinch runners can turn a series, just ask Dave Roberts.

I remember one day in mid-late August when Reyes stole his 4th or 5th base as a Met he took over the team stolen base lead from Wright who hadn't played in 2 and a half months.

8:41am: If completed, the trade will be Soler for Davis straight up, tweets Rosenthal.

Soler has been disappointing so far but this is a no-brainer (for both sides). Soler has an incredibly team friendly contract which makes him a good value even if he somehow is never anything greater than a 4th OF. If he's more it's a monster value.

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In comment 13253045 DanMetroMan said: Quote: has an 70/80 arm and 70/80 speed (and is a great baserunner). K-rate really crushes his upside unless something changes. Pinch runners can turn a series, just ask Dave Roberts. I remember one day in mid-late August when Reyes stole his 4th or 5th base as a Met he took over the team stolen base lead from Wright who hadn't played in 2 and a half months.

For sure. Stuart could very well see time on a playoff roster thanks to his 2 excellent tools.

hope the Nats don't land ex-Met farm hand Quintana.

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But Morales was absolutely never, EVER going to be a Met... And I don't think anyone believes the Nats were being used, that trade was very close to a reality.

Look man. First, there is no parade. It's hot stove and people have asked here for me to share in the past if he mentions stuff. If it turns out to be nothing, it's no big deal. Im certainly not claiming to be an insider or anything because of him. Joe D, Teddy, Michael Mayer and others back him and quite frankly he seems to mention things different than you do so maybe you have different circles or connections. We all know you have sources too. He said there were discussions about Morales at the deadline. I dont know how close they got or if it was ever on the verge of happening. As for the Sale deal, he said that although discussions were going on with the Nats the Nats were unaware they had been talking to the Red Sox the entire time and yes he said it the day before. Why dont you chime in on what he mentioned yesterday? Could the Mets be making any of our starting pitching available because it hasn't been mentioned anywhere AT ALL in the media. If something were to happen with any of the BIG 5/6 I think it would be pretty shocking in Mets world. You say no? Great. Guess we'll see.

said the Red Sox and White Sox had been talking Sale for over a year.

I find that hard to believe it was a secret at least in baseball circles the way the media is these days.

but I have no way of knowing.

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said the Red Sox and White Sox had been talking Sale for over a year. I find that hard to believe it was a secret at least in baseball circles the way the media is these days. but I have no way of knowing.

In the sense that it was as advanced as it was with them only two days ago. The media as of yesterday morning had the Nats as the heavy favorites it seemed like.

Ramos deal is one that bothers me the Mets weren't in on (a lot more than some of these other moves so far). Very low risk, very nice upside.

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Ramos deal is one that bothers me the Mets weren't in on (a lot more than some of these other moves so far). Very low risk, very nice upside.

Seemed like a real nice add. I wonder how badly his knees are effected and if a AL team was more desirable for him?

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In comment 13253129 pjcas18 said: Quote: said the Red Sox and White Sox had been talking Sale for over a year. I find that hard to believe it was a secret at least in baseball circles the way the media is these days. but I have no way of knowing. In the sense that it was as advanced as it was with them only two days ago. The media as of yesterday morning had the Nats as the heavy favorites it seemed like.

Definitely agree.

There was the infamous BR linked article in a thread on here that said "the White Sox and Nationals are finalizing the trade" but I believe that was more BR bad reporting than anything else. I would guess the Nationals weren't blindsided by the Red Sox involvement, though the Bleacher Report article author may have been.

signing with a mystery team today, people are suggesting it's the Cardinals

You just know if Desmond signs with the Cardinals he has a huge year

in getting into a pissing match. Not shooting you, the messenger.

Nats trade was close, but Sox wanted a bit more. Leaked to the media to see if another team cracks - worked to perfection.

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in getting into a pissing match. Not shooting you, the messenger. Nats trade was close, but Sox wanted a bit more. Leaked to the media to see if another team cracks - worked to perfection.

Right, but I'd like to know about if the Mets are considering making any of the starting pitching available? Not interested in getting in a pissing match with you either but that was the point of my/his post and I felt it was different/worth mentioning, not the Sale deal. I think sometimes you are quick to squash "parts" of something but then will act quickly mysterious or stay away from other things. If you want to shoot him, shoot him. Dont be scared. lol

Really like that Rodney deal for Arizona for 2.75+ but sounds like he took that deal to close #Mets

No way would I give up Rosario for a rental of any kind, let alone a RP with injury questions. So why not pivot and spend modest money to improve the team through FA? Blevins helps this team. Ziegler helps this team. Ramos helps this team. Taking a shot on someone like Holland would could be huge too. All for roughly the price we are paying Walker this year, who was a luxury to bring back more so than a desperate need - especially if they are actually thinking Wright will play and we can't find a place for Reyes in the every day lineup. I'd have much preferred Reyes, Flores, Rivera, and Cecchini being the options at 2nd if it meant we could spend that $17M filling holes that will otherwise go unfilled.

White Sox should be able to build a monster farm system within a few weeks of time. Could be an exciting time for their fans. Middling/bad team to loaded with young talent.

be interesting to another teams?

I think Harvey and Wheeler are obviously out.

Thor I'd hope is untouchable.

Matz and deGrom are probably borderline too (not untouchable, but interesting enough to another team they'd trade fair value for them) because of their recent surgery and injury past (both had one TJ already).

so that leaves possibly deGrom or Matz, Gsellman, and Lugo.

If we limit it to the major league roster.

So if it's a big trade it would have to be deGrom or Gsellman IMO.

I'm just guessing here.

suspect the offers for Harvey (as of today) would be embarrassingly low. Assuming you would never, ever trade Thor I think DeGrom would have the most trade value by a pretty reasonable margin. Good contract, proven high quality MLB SP.

Matz/deGrom. Harvey and Wheeler have no value right now and Thor "should" be untouchable barring somebody like Trout or something. Gsellman would be shocking too considering Sandy actually said he wasn't available.

only has 1 more year of control vs. deGrom and DeGrom has made 76 MLB starts with a 2.88 FIP, Matz 28 starts 3.43 FIP and very real questions about his durability. I know which one I would want if I were another team.

only that they likely have different levels of value to other teams.

is older too.

and might even be done by the time he gets done being controlled as a Met but that doesn't relate to what we are discussing.

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is older too.

Don't think a trading team cares that DeGrom will be 29 vs. Matz's 26 when you take into account track record, durability and similar years of control. DeGrom is team controlled 29-30-31-32, Matz 26-27-28-29-30.

deGrom has been worth 3.5, 5.3 and 3.3 (missed 8 starts) fWAR, Matz has yet to make it through a full MLB season. 100% not "hating on" Matz but he's been routinely dinged even most TJ. Back, traps etc. To me either he's healthy in 2017 I doubt he has a very long career as a SP.

signing with the Mets Steven Matz has thrown over 106 innings.. once. So until he proves he can throw innings he's essentially a talented cocktease. A major talent but lets see it.

to Colorado. I like it.

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In comment 13253329 pjcas18 said: Quote: is older too. Don't think a trading team cares that DeGrom will be 29 vs. Matz's 26 when you take into account track record, durability and similar years of control. DeGrom is team controlled 29-30-31-32, Matz 26-27-28-29-30. deGrom has been worth 3.5, 5.3 and 3.3 (missed 8 starts) fWAR, Matz has yet to make it through a full MLB season. 100% not "hating on" Matz but he's been routinely dinged even most TJ. Back, traps etc. To me either he's healthy in 2017 I doubt he has a very long career as a SP.

No, teams don't care if they trade for him now - just an observation. Because of his late blossoming career for the reasons we all are aware of, he'll be 32 (I believe) before he hits free agency.

Sucks for him.

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signing with the Mets Steven Matz has thrown over 106 innings.. once. So until he proves he can throw innings he's essentially a talented cocktease. A major talent but lets see it.

Sorry man but that's not correct. He's thrown 140.2, 139.6, and 132.1 the last 3 years. Not great but more innings than you are suggesting, no offense please.

innings again (he's only come close once). I just think he is so rail thin, older, has already had TJ and countless other nagging issues, and he seems to be "much" better with that extra 1-2 mph on his fast ball also. I'd almost be ok selling high on deGrom I think.

I will never speculate on something health related - it's none of our business.
I'm typically vague, because nothing should ever be directly said. Especially this offseason - it is made VERY clear things much tighter, except for public policy. But the funny thing is, when I am vague, it's actually pretty blunt and directly. Just indirectly lol. And there is one poster here who I think 'gets it'. I'm rarely vague that it could be interpreted multiple ways, so I can come back and say "SEE". I'd rather say something that amuses just myself.
I think Sandy does a great job of the above himself. Leaks "anyone is available, except Rosario". Seems vague. Seems meaningless. Yet it is a 100% direct blow.

Enough rambling. Wasn't and still isn't the intention to trade pitching this offseason. Could it happen, sure - someone could blow your socks off at any moment. But I don't see that happening. Nothing has happened in the last day or two that has changed ANYTHING.

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In comment 13253343 DanMetroMan said: Quote: signing with the Mets Steven Matz has thrown over 106 innings.. once. So until he proves he can throw innings he's essentially a talented cocktease. A major talent but lets see it. Sorry man but that's not correct. He's thrown 140.2, 139.6, and 132.1 the last 3 years. Not great but more innings than you are suggesting, no offense please.

I was going by memory, must have been another of our injury prone guys. Either way those are VERY low numbers. Those innings are so low it's fair to ?? if he can even last an entire season. 2015 it was "slept weird" which somehow turned into significant lost time, this year BOTH shoulder and elbow issues. I like Matz but calling him fragile (to this point) would be an understatement.

be willing to trade any of them but Thor (and even then Mike Trout? Machado?....) but as with anything depends on the return. Harvey/Wheeler have such depreciated value right now, neither would make any sense.

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I will never speculate on something health related - it's none of our business. I'm typically vague, because nothing should ever be directly said. Especially this offseason - it is made VERY clear things much tighter, except for public policy. But the funny thing is, when I am vague, it's actually pretty blunt and directly. Just indirectly lol. And there is one poster here who I think 'gets it'. I'm rarely vague that it could be interpreted multiple ways, so I can come back and say "SEE". I'd rather say something that amuses just myself. I think Sandy does a great job of the above himself. Leaks "anyone is available, except Rosario". Seems vague. Seems meaningless. Yet it is a 100% direct blow. Enough rambling. Wasn't and still isn't the intention to trade pitching this offseason. Could it happen, sure - someone could blow your socks off at any moment. But I don't see that happening. Nothing has happened in the last day or two that has changed ANYTHING.

Ok. Fair enough. I understand the importance of being vague and he actually said the exact same thing in regards to the media. Says Sandy's reputation has gotten pretty good in regards to leaking and deals tend to get done when Sandy does get engaged because of it. He mentioned it seemed like things changed a bit last night. Joe D said he caught wind of some discussions that were taking place last night as well (more so than they had been prior anyway) and he never says anything without getting a call/whatever from at least two sources. Could have all been nothing. If so I apologize.

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In comment 13253356 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 13253343 DanMetroMan said: Quote: signing with the Mets Steven Matz has thrown over 106 innings.. once. So until he proves he can throw innings he's essentially a talented cocktease. A major talent but lets see it. Sorry man but that's not correct. He's thrown 140.2, 139.6, and 132.1 the last 3 years. Not great but more innings than you are suggesting, no offense please. I was going by memory, must have been another of our injury prone guys. Either way those are VERY low numbers. Those innings are so low it's fair to ?? if he can even last an entire season. 2015 it was "slept weird" which somehow turned into significant lost time, this year BOTH shoulder and elbow issues. I like Matz but calling him fragile (to this point) would be an understatement.

Dont disagree with anything your saying. Just fixing your numbers. ;)

Desmond 5 years 70... to play 1b with the Rockies... weird

More BIG talk than usual. Some I would consider massive. None appear close, or 'likely'. I don't personally think or have seen one thing that change in the last day or two to indicate anything. If anything, less has actually happened than anticipated.

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Desmond 5 years 70... to play 1b with the Rockies... weird

WTF are the Rockies thinking!?!?!? Not big money, but 1B????

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More BIG talk than usual. Some I would consider massive. None appear close, or 'likely'. I don't personally think or have seen one thing that change in the last day or two to indicate anything. If anything, less has actually happened than anticipated.

He was suggesting the board has been opened a bit. Starting pitchers might be made available where in the past they might not have been. Again, I thought that was interesting. He certainly hasn't mentioned specifics either or ever said anything was close.

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Ramos deal is one that bothers me the Mets weren't in on (a lot more than some of these other moves so far). Very low risk, very nice upside.

I think fans of every franchise are upset that their team didn't sign Ramos at that deal.

to Colorado.

Is that new or did everyone already know that.

I think it's 4 or 5 years 70M.

Also Zach Wheeler in NY today handing out coats part of community outreach.

Says he's started his whole life, but would move to the pen if Mets asked, club is "only looking out for him"

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to Colorado. Is that new or did everyone already know that. I think it's 4 or 5 years 70M. Also Zach Wheeler in NY today handing out coats part of community outreach. Says he's started his whole life, but would move to the pen if Mets asked, club is "only looking out for him"

PJ,
Unless you saw something I didn't the Fowler stuff stems from an accidental tweet from Bob Nightengale who was actually talking about Desmond's deal.

Bob NightengaleVerified account ‏@BNightengale 20m20 minutes ago
Sorry, yes, Ian Desmond bet on himself and won with #Rockies deal. Waiting on Dexter Fowler, but all indications are that he'll win too!

Okayyyyyy

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Bob NightengaleVerified account ‏@BNightengale 20m20 minutes ago Sorry, yes, Ian Desmond bet on himself and won with #Rockies deal. Waiting on Dexter Fowler, but all indications are that he'll win too!

Yes, this is what I saw (guess it was a typo):

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Bob Nightengale Verified account ‏@BNightengale 28m28 minutes ago Dexter Fowler bet on himself last year, and won big time with his $70M deal with #Rockies

Not in this market it's not, Bob.

thinks Duda and Bruce for Abreu and Robertson is a fair offer for the Mets. The White Sox would hang up and tell Sandy to never call again. All they get out of the deal is clearing Robertson's 2018 salary (13 million), a guy coming off a down year but still had 37 saves with 10.8 k/9. That is SOME incentive for the rebuilding White Sox....

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thinks Duda and Bruce for Abreu and Robertson is a fair offer for the Mets. The White Sox would hang up and tell Sandy to never call again. All they get out of the deal is clearing Robertson's 2018 salary (13 million), a guy coming off a down year but still had 37 saves with 10.8 k/9. That is SOME incentive for the rebuilding White Sox....

I loved that trade. LOL, but yeah not close.

Melancon got 4 for 62 and Chapman is headed toward 100+ it's safe to say if Robertson were suddenly released he'd get 4 years at a HIGHER salary than his current rate (especially once the Chapman/Jansen combo goes). The White Sox would have 0 trouble moving him for a good return if they so chose.

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TR Sullivan ‏@Sullivan_Ranger 2m2 minutes ago Slow day but the Mets have met with the Rangers. Mets need relief pitching. They are trying to trade Jay Bruce, a left-handed RF bat

Bruce is from Texas so that would make a ton of sense. They just brought back Gomez but obviously lost Beltran. Not sure they are a fit to fill the RP need, but perhaps they have something else worth discussing. I'd personally be trying to pry Lucroy off their hands since they haven't been able to extend him yet. Bruce + TDA (extra years of control!) + more for Lucroy.

talking with the Rangers, the guess is in regard to Bruce. Alex Claudio is flat DOMINANT vs. lefties, Diekman throws very hard #Mets

Eaton is on an amazing contract and had an amazing year last year. I can't envision we'd be able to get him without giving up Rosario or 1 of our big pitchers.

at Eaton's stats and wow.... didn't realize he was that good. Great contract too. Seems like the kind of guy to build around for Chicago. Hopefully multiple good pieces went from Washington to Chicago.

it shot WAY up because he moved to a corner. He actually, positively sucked in CF. As soon as he moved over his metrics shot the roof which in term made his WAR positively excellent. To me, his bat is good, but not great. His current profile (if he stays in a corner) reminds me a lot of Jayson Heyward actually pre-2016. It will be interesting to see who plays CF with Werth, Eaton, and Harper.

McCutchen in between Murphy/Harper would have been no bueno.

candidate, actually. Especially if he also moves to a corner where it's easier on him. McCutchen has actual elite upside offensively where Eaton's never come close to that.

I don't think he'll ever be in contention for an MVP award.

on the Mets bunched in with Duda, Cespedes, and Conforto would be nasty... I just don't know how he would fit logically. I guess you could trade Conforto for McCutchen and still dump Bruce but not sure I'd be up for that.

If they're intent on getting back pitching I think the second package gives them someone more proven than Giolito, albeit extremely injury prone, along with another high end pitching prospect to bridge the gap in value. Conforto is probably the most likely centerpiece, but I actually don't think the Mets would go there given the desire to cut payroll (trading Conforto means paying a lot for all 3 starting OF'ers).

This would be a pretty stacked top 6:
Reyes
McCutchen
Conforto
Cespedes
Duda
Walker

Fun to dream about but the rest of the offseason will consist of dumping Bruce and adding a couple relievers. I'm hoping for is to see them get aggressive and put together a Thornburg type package for Nate Jones.

I think it's a forgone conclusion but maybe we get lucky. Chance Evans is gone too.

and you still have Cabrera 7th. Yikes.

for protecting Amed Rosario, Wuilmer Becerra, Tomas Nido, Marcos Molina and Chris Flexen though. Sort of is what it is.