that the fact that he's in surgery first thing in the morning the next day after his initial consultation means that he's trying to make it back this year.
that the fact that he's in surgery first thing in the morning the next day after his initial consultation means that he's trying to make it back this year.
We are speculating, but if it's a sports hernia, he could return in 4 weeks. Which would put him able to come back for the playoffs, with an outside shot at Washington.
The Giants 'may' find out if they truly have a #3 DE on the team going into next season (pending JPP's return) OR will they need to go draft another DE.
JPP is a stud. I really like Okwara. More reps may mean more sacks. Spag's will have his plate full scheming a pass rush
I'm less concerned about pass rush and more on stopping the run this weekend. We've seen Spags play Hankins as DE in some pass rush spots the past few weeks. I wonder if they would consider shifting Hankins out to JPP's spot to help anchor and look for Bromley/Thomas to take up space next to Snacks. At the very least, we could look for Wynn to battle Doug Free to a draw. The only upside for this week is Free is the Cowboys weakest lineman. But they went from what would have been a pretty sure advantage to maybe a push at best.
Stating the obvious, but keep in mind that if he goes on IR
Kerry Wynn or Okwara? who is the choice for the most reps? Owara better physical tools but Wynn seems to be a guy in the right place (occasionally anyway) even going back to last year.
Behind Eli and OBJ. I felt like they were a marginal playoff quality team and this really puts their back up against the wall. The O needs to wake up because the D is still very good now but will never be great without JPP. He was invaluable and even underrated by some accounts.
I do hope they work out a long term deal with him. You can't find two way star DEs easily. Draft can be a toss up and free agency you need to pay anyways so might as well take the best available who happens to be JPP.
Afraid to see that I agree. We were a fringe contender to begin with given our offensive woes, but I doubt we can shut down the run now. The saving grace is our last 3 games are against teams with bad or pitiful rushing attacks.
I am sure the Linebackers can help in run support on that side
JPP is a stud. I really like Okwara. More reps may mean more sacks. Spag's will have his plate full scheming a pass rush
I'm less concerned about pass rush and more on stopping the run this weekend. We've seen Spags play Hankins as DE in some pass rush spots the past few weeks. I wonder if they would consider shifting Hankins out to JPP's spot to help anchor and look for Bromley/Thomas to take up space next to Snacks. At the very least, we could look for Wynn to battle Doug Free to a draw. The only upside for this week is Free is the Cowboys weakest lineman. But they went from what would have been a pretty sure advantage to maybe a push at best.
Excellent analysis. My guess is they put him on IR, maybe not this week, but soon. It's not even a given that he can come back for the NFC championship game. And even if he does, how effective can he be six weeks after surgery tor repair a sports hernia and his groin?
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hankins at DE on some plays. If not, I assume it will be Wynn on run downs, and Okwara when the Cowboys are expected to throw. Terrible news. Get well soon JPP.
Cue the sky is falling crowd here and in the media
This sucks big time but we do have players to fill in all be it not JPP but I believe Wynn and Okwara can provide solid play. I also believe now this may light a fire under the Offenses ass to pick-up there game which is our big issue not defense.
I choose the glass half full point of view and with 4 games left believe this team can still win. The offense has been sad this season but has done enough to win unlike last season when they knew they had to put points on the board to compete. Its time for them to step-up!
injuries unfortunately play a very big part. Giants have been relatively healthy this season.
Tough to lose such a player, but good teams endure. Think the Patriots will miss Gronk, but not to the point that they won't win the division and be a player in the tournament.
Good teams find ways to survive these types of losses.
injuries unfortunately play a very big part. Giants have been relatively healthy this season.
Tough to lose such a player, but good teams endure. Think the Patriots will miss Gronk, but not to the point that they won't win the division and be a player in the tournament.
Good teams find ways to survive these types of losses.
Come one, that's a poor example. 1, its the Patriots and 2, we are a fringe good team to begin with. Our defense should still be OK but if the offense doesn't show up, teams are going to grind out games on the ground against us. Time for BM and Eli to step up and start crafting some points for this team.
of rebuttal are you looking for when you recommend changing a defensive scheme in Week 13?
You should actually be happy with the responses you've gotten, because that kind of a suggestion probably deserves an insult or two on how much of a fucking moron one can be.
Do you think it is easy to just flip a switch and run a completely different defense because you can change it on the fly, mid-drive, when playing Madden?
It's football
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injuries unfortunately play a very big part. Giants have been relatively healthy this season.
Tough to lose such a player, but good teams endure. Think the Patriots will miss Gronk, but not to the point that they won't win the division and be a player in the tournament.
Good teams find ways to survive these types of losses
Injuries are one of the most predictive metrics used to determine who is in the playoffs. Since 2000 (when it started to be tracked by the Professional Trainers), the Super Bowl has only one time not had a participant in the top 5 of health that year (ironically, it was a Giants-Pats game).
In terms of playoff participants, every years has seen at least 4 of the top 10 teams in terms of good health qualify, and the # 1 team in health has been in the Super Bowl 7 times.
Saying teams overcome injuries is a good quip, but it doesn't have much basis in reality.
JPP is a stud. I really like Okwara. More reps may mean more sacks. Spag's will have his plate full scheming a pass rush
I'm less concerned about pass rush and more on stopping the run this weekend. We've seen Spags play Hankins as DE in some pass rush spots the past few weeks. I wonder if they would consider shifting Hankins out to JPP's spot to help anchor and look for Bromley/Thomas to take up space next to Snacks. At the very least, we could look for Wynn to battle Doug Free to a draw. The only upside for this week is Free is the Cowboys weakest lineman. But they went from what would have been a pretty sure advantage to maybe a push at best.
Matt, Hankins to DE is a good idea. Plus we have seen Kennard get reps at DT and DE in pass rush situations.
Robert Thomas and Bromley have played pretty well in limited time. I believe that if Spags can get a little creative we can still compete without JPP.
3-4
Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
3-4
Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
It's a good thing they have a 2 month break before the Cowboys to install a new D. Works out nicely.
You understand they probably already have it in the play book its very easy to change to that look with the talent we have since Snacks is a Natural NG and can take on two linemen.Hankins can handle DE as can Bromley/Roberts
NY Daily News says he's had surgery and done for the season
3-4
Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
You could do it with Snacks and you don't have to be in a 3-4 the entire game like other teams do if Snacks needs a breather. Wynn is a JAG OO would be the first guy in for Vernon or you can switch back to a 4 man front. With JPP down you have to fill that and OO is has not shown that ability. Romeo is a ? would you like that ? answered with Elliot going by him. Or Wynn who can not get to the QB the Equivalent to John Jerry a guy who can only do one thing. Rather add some beef to the line stop the Run and use vernon like LT was used and bring the secondary in on blitz like Spags has been doing.
LBs in a 3-4 are Easier to play then a 4-3 Vernon,Shepard,Robinson Castilas have all played it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Now is the time to switch to a
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
You could do it with Snacks and you don't have to be in a 3-4 the entire game like other teams do if Snacks needs a breather. Wynn is a JAG OO would be the first guy in for Vernon or you can switch back to a 4 man front. With JPP down you have to fill that and OO is has not shown that ability. Romeo is a ? would you like that ? answered with Elliot going by him. Or Wynn who can not get to the QB the Equivalent to John Jerry a guy who can only do one thing. Rather add some beef to the line stop the Run and use vernon like LT was used and bring the secondary in on blitz like Spags has been doing.
LBs in a 3-4 are Easier to play then a 4-3 Vernon,Shepard,Robinson Castilas have all played it.
You're obviously young and don't understand the game as well as you think you do. The best pass rusher in a 4-3 LOS is not only going to play linebacker in a 3-4 but we're switch back to a 4-3 if he comes out. Not even to try and fix the rest of the ideas. Thanks
is not a hard conversion these days and could be run by the personal we have. Would it be perfect? No but its one way you could hide the Loss of JPP. Its also tougher to Run on.
great idea. A team that doesn't have 3 good LBs should move to
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
You could do it with Snacks and you don't have to be in a 3-4 the entire game like other teams do if Snacks needs a breather. Wynn is a JAG OO would be the first guy in for Vernon or you can switch back to a 4 man front. With JPP down you have to fill that and OO is has not shown that ability. Romeo is a ? would you like that ? answered with Elliot going by him. Or Wynn who can not get to the QB the Equivalent to John Jerry a guy who can only do one thing. Rather add some beef to the line stop the Run and use vernon like LT was used and bring the secondary in on blitz like Spags has been doing.
LBs in a 3-4 are Easier to play then a 4-3 Vernon,Shepard,Robinson Castilas have all played it.
You're obviously young and don't understand the game as well as you think you do. The best pass rusher in a 4-3 LOS is not only going to play linebacker in a 3-4 but we're switch back to a 4-3 if he comes out. Not even to try and fix the rest of the ideas. Thanks
You don't think Hankins can be an effective DE in a 3-4 hasn't he been at DE a few times in packages and can get pressure on the QB? Bromley was suppose to be the pressure guy from DT coming out of College.
like I said in today's defense its not that big a stretch and I would rather add Bromley/Thomas then Wynn or Romeo who have not shown much of anything.
the only thing you are changing is Vernon standing up to rush,which he has done before.
is not a hard conversion these days and could be run by the personal we have. Would it be perfect? No but its one way you could hide the Loss of JPP. Its also tougher to Run on.
I am the biggest fan of the 3-4 defense you can find and I have defended its use on here multiple times and everything your saying about it is true. However with all that said its not going to happen for this defense the roster is not built for it and with the limited practice time these coaches have with the CBA they cant install a new defense during the season
is not a hard conversion these days and could be run by the personal we have. Would it be perfect? No but its one way you could hide the Loss of JPP. Its also tougher to Run on.
I am the biggest fan of the 3-4 defense you can find and I have defended its use on here multiple times and everything your saying about it is true. However with all that said its not going to happen for this defense the roster is not built for it and with the limited practice time these coaches have with the CBA they cant install a new defense during the season
Agree we are short back ups but this can be an alignment added to the defense. As a Base no but a good way to hide the pass rushing DE we have lost in JPP.
or we can just Pray OO who is really in his first year due to injury last year and UDFA can fill the void like last year?
not switching to a 3-4. As others have said, we don't have the LBs to do that, and nobody is flipping the defense to a new scheme mid season. Not for one injury, and not when we're 8-4. This is also why Flowers isn't going to be benched or moved from LT. The most they might do is give him a little more help.
I do agree that we might and probably should see Hankins at DE more, at least on run downs. Hankins, Harrison, Thomas, Vernon, is a possibility on some plays. Wynn can also be used, especially against Free.
base alignment but pass rush mode may see a hybrid of that. The Offense HAS to step up now. NO more BS, no more 3 and outs.. They have to keep the Dline rested. I think we will be ok in the run department but we will be missing a pass rushing presence and now depth (which is minimal already) becomes an issue. One thing to rest a guy for a series or two its another when the guy who normally steps in for that series or two is starting and the 3rd string guy is now expected to play more. One more injury there and we will be done for.
base alignment but pass rush mode may see a hybrid of that. The Offense HAS to step up now. NO more BS, no more 3 and outs.. They have to keep the Dline rested. I think we will be ok in the run department but we will be missing a pass rushing presence and now depth (which is minimal already) becomes an issue. One thing to rest a guy for a series or two its another when the guy who normally steps in for that series or two is starting and the 3rd string guy is now expected to play more. One more injury there and we will be done for.
My point I would rather add a Thomas or Bromley then OO or Romeo. And Wynn is not a starter in any league.
that anyone thinks he will somehow return this season, or that somehow, we are going to beat Dallas without him.....
So, it comes down to the Detroit game, now.....
To control their own destiny, THEY HAVE TO WIN THE LAST THREE.
If they don't, then the possibility of them getting into the playoffs, are in doubt......and it will depend on what the wild card teams do, and not what the Giants do....yes, they can still get in the back door, if the other wild card contenders, fall on their faces....but winning the Detroit game puts us in the driver's seat.....
when one poster floated out the ridiculous idea to move to a different defensive scheme mid-season (even though we've had good results), and then added to the stupidity on each subsequent post by standing by the idea as if it is either a good one or even remotely logical.
Bad news: He's done for the year and playoffs. I know, I know we said he was probably done after his idiotic incident..Can't wear a 3 fingered glove on his groin, with all the twists, turns, stops and starts required..
Good news(possibly): We may get a break on extending him before we either franchise him or let him test/head for, FA
when one poster floated out the ridiculous idea to move to a different defensive scheme mid-season (even though we've had good results), and then added to the stupidity on each subsequent post by standing by the idea as if it is either a good one or even remotely logical.
Don't be surprised when you see a Variant of it on Sunday night. if we are being gashed off the right side.
Which if I was Dallas I would run strong side all game.
lose JPP so we can't win the game? Against a team we've already beat, and at their place? Even if we lost Eli, I'd still watch and hope.
It's "DE by committee." Swing Hankins out to DE on some run plays. Use Wynn on the others, hopefully against Free. Okwara, Kennard, and maybe OO on passing downs.
that the only way the Giants win, is the offense has to come out of it's offensive shell and score.....we are not going to stop Dallas with this defense.....we have to outscore them.....and that is going to mean, more than 30 points...something we haven't been able to do all season....
The offense has to win this game....the defense has been carrying this team.....unless Dallas screws up with turnovers and penalties, this offense is going to have to have it's game of the year......unfortunately, I don't think it will happen....
Fats, while true that it only took 20 to win in week 1, I would say that this Dallas team is much better thane in week 1 offensively. Prescott and Elliot were making thei debuts, they now have 12 weeks under their belts and have been very consisten.
On the other side, the Giants D is better now than in week 1 as a unit, though they will certainly miss JPPs presence.
So we've lost..
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already on Sunday?
This is not brain surgery....the possibilities are we win, or we lose.....before JPP got hurt, I thought we would lose this game.....I think Dallas wants to avenge that first loss.....I didn't think we could stop Elliot before JPP got hurt...I think Dak will stand back there like a statue and pick apart our linebackers and safeties......if the Giant offense plays like it has all season, yes they have already lost.....
But I am shocked by the point spread.....does Vegas know something we don't? Are they trying to get a lot of Dallas money on Dallas?
For us to win, this defense would have to create turnovers, by great individual play.....and the offense will have to play lights out....
So can the Giants win? On any given Sunday.....Realistically, no.....
Mac should use the video of Dak and Zeke drinking champagne
at nightclub...like they are SB champs to motivate team.
Open up Offense. Forget forcing run. Feed it to Lewis deep.
and the team, but I'm OK with it.
Lets just get him healthy. If he tried to play thru it, and as a non-medical person, I can only fear what MAY have happened might even be worse. He's gonna get his $$$ from the Giants anyway, based on his performance, and even if he went 'Von Miller' the end of the season+ the $$$ would not be a huge difference.
The Dallas D may suck but our TOP sucks more, so unless our O goes off, and itd be nicely overdue, this was going to be a big challenge anyway(and knowing Dallas they would target JPPs groin anyway[think Tucks shoulder]) screwing us up for the remainder of the season.
Given this past w/e in the NFLE, this is almost another throwaway game. We can beat a good Detroit team, and Philly and Wash are floundering or going the wrong way. Knocking off Detroit would put us up on them by 2 w/2 games left, then Beat Philly the next week and Wash would have to win out the next 3 games; Minn would also have to win out by that scenario.
Let's stay healthy and win the final 3.
Is Eli. I think I would have rather lost Eli than JPP this season.
You want to see Nasib? Why do you think they brought in another QB after PreSeason?
Without Eli we are done. JPP we can scheme around now if Vernon gets hurt that might be the Tombstone for us. Not just Vernon but to lose both JPP an Vernon would be too much to overcome.
But I choose to focus on what jcn and Marvelous Mike pointed out.
It will complicate negotiations with JPP's agent, but in the end it will mean a contract more favorable to the Giants. The risk is that it complicates things to the point of losing JPP to a team more willing to shell out guaranteed money.
I think we already know what we have in Wynn (a career-backup), but it will give Okwara and Owa Odi a chance to show their stuff. Assuming Odi can stay of the field (but even that is useful information to be gleaned).
So while the loss of JPP diminishes our chances at a Super Bowl title this season, it may prove helpful in putting together next season's Super Bowl team. All those who thought we had no chance this year anyway (with or without JPP) should view this in a positive light.
sheloves is not the first to suggest a 3-4
caveat- I didn't read the whole thread
but a day or two ago, a very well respected football minded poster came out front and center that this is the way to go. perhaps that's where she got the idea?
my own take is that while I don't know what front to run, I do think that we have Vernon and then a whole lot of nothing for the other end.
I'd guess that thread (I didn't see it) would reference using 3-4 looks more often. We've been actually doing that already quite a bit.
The difference here is the idea that we should go to the 3-4 as a base defense as if it is as easy as flipping a switch and doing it.
It pretty much takes more than half the defensive playbook away.
The Giants do have personnel that already has experience in a 3-4 defense or are scheme diverse but they would still need to bring in several players that are better fits. People tend to simplify the difference between the scheme's.
And - this definitely hurts that unit, but, we need to score more to win... regardless of JPP's injury. The chances of the Giants winning the last 4 games scoring <20 ppg are very low, even if JPP would have played.
How about the offense take a turn and cover for the defense like the defense has been covering for the offense all season?
I'd guess that thread (I didn't see it) would reference using 3-4 looks more often. We've been actually doing that already quite a bit.
The difference here is the idea that we should go to the 3-4 as a base defense as if it is as easy as flipping a switch and doing it.
It pretty much takes more than half the defensive playbook away.
you know there are many different 3-4 combinations and hybrids. that's what I was talking about. Getting the most out of the players we have left.
So how would you hide the huge hole we now have at DE?
And you can run this formation out of this Defense the Giants play can run it and bet its been looked at.. A varient yes but its still a 3-4 scheme.
This would be the best use of the defensive 7 and get Vernon one on one with the LT.
shouldn't be a variant at all. Use Wynn/Okawra/Hankins to rotate at the DE spot to replace JPP.
It maintains continuity on the line, keeps the D intact in a scheme that has played very well this year, and you don't have to change the playbook extensively.
Losing JPP isn't ideal, but to react to his loss by going to formations that will then bring another LB on the field, doesn't seem to strengthen the team - it would seem to weaken it.
The backup DE's aren't JPP, but they aren't terrible either - and the defense hasn't just been JPP.
No need to overreact and change things that are working OK, especially when we are relying on that unit to keep us in games right now.
I actually worry more about stopping the run without JPP than rushing the passer... that is if Spags finally lets the dogs loose and trusts his corners. However, that's only a solution in certain passing downs or with certain personnel on the field. The Giants will certainly miss JPP, but everyone has injuries and we just need to compensate the best way we can.
I hate to be selfish, but I hope this injury makes him easier to re-sign.
has shined in his time here on the field more than Bromley or any of OO Wynn and Romeo. continuity is important
but don't you want your best players on the field first?
Having Hankins at DE is a putting a guy out there who is not a pass rush specialist against a RT is a mismatch.also losing his play in the middle where he excels. I know we have shown it but that's not how you replace a missing piece. As fans we just want the best for the team
its really all just spitballing as Spags gets paid to get the most out of these guys.
I just hope we have enough to win two more games.
is if the offense gets its collective head out of its *ss and matches Dallas essentially score for score AND Spags comes up with a monster game plan to confuse & attack Prescott.
Otherwise, it will be a long evening on national TV.
RE: Normally the 1 player we can't afford to have injured
has shined in his time here on the field more than Bromley or any of OO Wynn and Romeo. continuity is important
but don't you want your best players on the field first?
Having Hankins at DE is a putting a guy out there who is not a pass rush specialist against a RT is a mismatch.also losing his play in the middle where he excels. I know we have shown it but that's not how you replace a missing piece. As fans we just want the best for the team
its really all just spitballing as Spags gets paid to get the most out of these guys.
I just hope we have enough to win two more games.
has shined in his time here on the field more than Bromley or any of OO Wynn and Romeo. continuity is important
but don't you want your best players on the field first?
Having Hankins at DE is a putting a guy out there who is not a pass rush specialist against a RT is a mismatch.also losing his play in the middle where he excels. I know we have shown it but that's not how you replace a missing piece. As fans we just want the best for the team
its really all just spitballing as Spags gets paid to get the most out of these guys.
I just hope we have enough to win two more games.
The stupidity that were gonna switch the entire defense
because we lost one starter on the team ...
Its a big blow for sure I feel bad for JPP he was having
a terrific season . Biggest question is who starts in his
place . My guess is Wynn and he will rotate with Okwara
and eventually Odi when he gets healthy .
We don't even have the linebackers to even try it .
We can win without JPP by just getting solid play but the
offense is gonna have to pick it up a whole lot . I think
getting back Vereen and of course Pugh will help .
The problem is the defense has been on the field far too
long and its wearing down . Steelers took it to us and
used the same plan we have seen all year the difference is
the step up in competition . Quality teams the rest of
the way .
shouldn't be a variant at all. Use Wynn/Okawra/Hankins to rotate at the DE spot to replace JPP.
It maintains continuity on the line, keeps the D intact in a scheme that has played very well this year, and you don't have to change the playbook extensively.
Losing JPP isn't ideal, but to react to his loss by going to formations that will then bring another LB on the field, doesn't seem to strengthen the team - it would seem to weaken it.
The backup DE's aren't JPP, but they aren't terrible either - and the defense hasn't just been JPP.
No need to overreact and change things that are working OK, especially when we are relying on that unit to keep us in games right now.
I agree. Plus, the way Vernon is playing now, he will provide decent pressure and draw double teams, which may take some pressure off the rest of the DL. The primary focus for whomeve is filling in for JPP should be CONTAIN. they need to set the edge first to stop the run and/or keep the QB in the pocket.
RE: Normally the 1 player we can't afford to have injured
of shit posted on game threads and any EliteMobster post, how is suggesting that losing Eli would be a worse injury a dumb comment?
Who'd would you rather have to depend on - a backup DE or Nassib?
You must be kidding. Eli does so much for this team that goes undetected. Like his ability to make the line look decent when they are horrific. Seriously, your kidding right?
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We are speculating, but if it's a sports hernia, he could return in 4 weeks. Which would put him able to come back for the playoffs, with an outside shot at Washington.
Jordan Raanan@JordanRaanan
JPP had surgery to repair a sports hernia this morning, per source. Expected to be out for the remainder of season. Likely 6 weeks recovery
Great scoop Big Rick!!!
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Giants hoped rest and rehab would be enough. Visit to specialist indicated surgery for JPP was needed.
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Paul Schwartz@NYPost_Schwartz
Jason Pierre-Paul had surgery this morning to repair sports hernia. His regular season is over. Return for playoffs a possibility.
Source confirms JPP had sports hernia surgery. Recovery timeline of roughly six weeks. That would mean NFC Championship at the earliest.
Yeah I confuse him with Double O. Because that's the number of sacks the two will have by the end of the year.
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Source confirms JPP had sports hernia surgery. Recovery timeline of roughly six weeks. That would mean NFC Championship at the earliest.
ouch. It would've been nice to have him back for the Divisional Round.
Let's see what Okwara has. This is his opportunity to seize
the next man up after JPP is a astronomical downgrade, all those guys suck.
This was a fun season. Hope he gets healthy and the Giants bring him back
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I think Wynn steps in at LDE, correct?
Yeah I confuse him with Double O. Because that's the number of sacks the two will have by the end of the year.
Sadly, I laughed longer than I should have.
The JPP/Vernon combo was really starting to preform the last few weeks
I wonder how this affects his payment. He's dinged up an awful lot, last year's accident notwithstanding.
I'm less concerned about pass rush and more on stopping the run this weekend. We've seen Spags play Hankins as DE in some pass rush spots the past few weeks. I wonder if they would consider shifting Hankins out to JPP's spot to help anchor and look for Bromley/Thomas to take up space next to Snacks. At the very least, we could look for Wynn to battle Doug Free to a draw. The only upside for this week is Free is the Cowboys weakest lineman. But they went from what would have been a pretty sure advantage to maybe a push at best.
I do hope they work out a long term deal with him. You can't find two way star DEs easily. Draft can be a toss up and free agency you need to pay anyways so might as well take the best available who happens to be JPP.
Afraid to see that I agree. We were a fringe contender to begin with given our offensive woes, but I doubt we can shut down the run now. The saving grace is our last 3 games are against teams with bad or pitiful rushing attacks.
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JPP is a stud. I really like Okwara. More reps may mean more sacks. Spag's will have his plate full scheming a pass rush
I'm less concerned about pass rush and more on stopping the run this weekend. We've seen Spags play Hankins as DE in some pass rush spots the past few weeks. I wonder if they would consider shifting Hankins out to JPP's spot to help anchor and look for Bromley/Thomas to take up space next to Snacks. At the very least, we could look for Wynn to battle Doug Free to a draw. The only upside for this week is Free is the Cowboys weakest lineman. But they went from what would have been a pretty sure advantage to maybe a push at best.
Excellent analysis. My guess is they put him on IR, maybe not this week, but soon. It's not even a given that he can come back for the NFC championship game. And even if he does, how effective can he be six weeks after surgery tor repair a sports hernia and his groin?
I wouldn't be surprised to see Hankins at DE on some plays. If not, I assume it will be Wynn on run downs, and Okwara when the Cowboys are expected to throw. Terrible news. Get well soon JPP.
I choose the glass half full point of view and with 4 games left believe this team can still win. The offense has been sad this season but has done enough to win unlike last season when they knew they had to put points on the board to compete. Its time for them to step-up!
Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
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Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
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Totally agree. Lets put the spotlight on our LBs to carry us to victory...
- Sam Malone
Too soon?
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Totally agree. Lets put the spotlight on our LBs to carry us to victory...
You realize I didn't add another LB Vernon has Played OLB in a 3-4 before.
Tough to lose such a player, but good teams endure. Think the Patriots will miss Gronk, but not to the point that they won't win the division and be a player in the tournament.
Good teams find ways to survive these types of losses.
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lol - yeah ok.
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lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
Tough to lose such a player, but good teams endure. Think the Patriots will miss Gronk, but not to the point that they won't win the division and be a player in the tournament.
Good teams find ways to survive these types of losses.
Come one, that's a poor example. 1, its the Patriots and 2, we are a fringe good team to begin with. Our defense should still be OK but if the offense doesn't show up, teams are going to grind out games on the ground against us. Time for BM and Eli to step up and start crafting some points for this team.
You should actually be happy with the responses you've gotten, because that kind of a suggestion probably deserves an insult or two on how much of a fucking moron one can be.
Do you think it is easy to just flip a switch and run a completely different defense because you can change it on the fly, mid-drive, when playing Madden?
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Totally agree. Lets put the spotlight on our LBs to carry us to victory...
You realize I didn't add another LB Vernon has Played OLB in a 3-4 before.
Yes I saw it. Would prefer Vernon stayed at DE and you somehow added Herzlich into mix. That would at least tell us where the ball was going...
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Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
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lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
It's a good thing they have a 2 month break before the Cowboys to install a new D. Works out nicely.
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injuries unfortunately play a very big part. Giants have been relatively healthy this season.
Tough to lose such a player, but good teams endure. Think the Patriots will miss Gronk, but not to the point that they won't win the division and be a player in the tournament.
Good teams find ways to survive these types of losses
Injuries are one of the most predictive metrics used to determine who is in the playoffs. Since 2000 (when it started to be tracked by the Professional Trainers), the Super Bowl has only one time not had a participant in the top 5 of health that year (ironically, it was a Giants-Pats game).
In terms of playoff participants, every years has seen at least 4 of the top 10 teams in terms of good health qualify, and the # 1 team in health has been in the Super Bowl 7 times.
Saying teams overcome injuries is a good quip, but it doesn't have much basis in reality.
A JPP update: He is expected to be out at least six weeks. 6-8 weeks is the recovery timeframe. So even a playoff return isn't guaranteed.
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JPP is a stud. I really like Okwara. More reps may mean more sacks. Spag's will have his plate full scheming a pass rush
I'm less concerned about pass rush and more on stopping the run this weekend. We've seen Spags play Hankins as DE in some pass rush spots the past few weeks. I wonder if they would consider shifting Hankins out to JPP's spot to help anchor and look for Bromley/Thomas to take up space next to Snacks. At the very least, we could look for Wynn to battle Doug Free to a draw. The only upside for this week is Free is the Cowboys weakest lineman. But they went from what would have been a pretty sure advantage to maybe a push at best.
Matt, Hankins to DE is a good idea. Plus we have seen Kennard get reps at DT and DE in pass rush situations.
Robert Thomas and Bromley have played pretty well in limited time. I believe that if Spags can get a little creative we can still compete without JPP.
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Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
Totally agree. Lets put the spotlight on our LBs to carry us to victory...
You realize I didn't add another LB Vernon has Played OLB in a 3-4 before.
Yes I saw it. Would prefer Vernon stayed at DE and you somehow added Herzlich into mix. That would at least tell us where the ball was going...
You show little to no football knowledge.
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lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
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Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
It's a good thing they have a 2 month break before the Cowboys to install a new D. Works out nicely.
You understand they probably already have it in the play book its very easy to change to that look with the talent we have since Snacks is a Natural NG and can take on two linemen.Hankins can handle DE as can Bromley/Roberts
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A JPP update: He is expected to be out at least six weeks. 6-8 weeks is the recovery timeframe. So even a playoff return isn't guaranteed.
Everyone's favorite little black raincloud chiming in after thoroughly scooped to help us figure out 8 weeks from now, for the math impaired.
That's one unlikable motherfucker right there.
He is the best they have in reserve. Let him play.
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lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
LBs in a 3-4 are Easier to play then a 4-3 Vernon,Shepard,Robinson Castilas have all played it.
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DRC Collins Adams JJ
Totally agree. Lets put the spotlight on our LBs to carry us to victory...
You realize I didn't add another LB Vernon has Played OLB in a 3-4 before.
Yes I saw it. Would prefer Vernon stayed at DE and you somehow added Herzlich into mix. That would at least tell us where the ball was going...
You show little to no football knowledge.
Apologies for the wise-ass replies, but that is far better way than what others on this site would write to you regarding this idea.
Back to your idea...yes Snacks can play in a 3-4, but everybody else on our front 7 would be a fish out of water. And that is being nice.
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
You could do it with Snacks and you don't have to be in a 3-4 the entire game like other teams do if Snacks needs a breather. Wynn is a JAG OO would be the first guy in for Vernon or you can switch back to a 4 man front. With JPP down you have to fill that and OO is has not shown that ability. Romeo is a ? would you like that ? answered with Elliot going by him. Or Wynn who can not get to the QB the Equivalent to John Jerry a guy who can only do one thing. Rather add some beef to the line stop the Run and use vernon like LT was used and bring the secondary in on blitz like Spags has been doing.
LBs in a 3-4 are Easier to play then a 4-3 Vernon,Shepard,Robinson Castilas have all played it.
You're obviously young and don't understand the game as well as you think you do. The best pass rusher in a 4-3 LOS is not only going to play linebacker in a 3-4 but we're switch back to a 4-3 if he comes out. Not even to try and fix the rest of the ideas. Thanks
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So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
You could do it with Snacks and you don't have to be in a 3-4 the entire game like other teams do if Snacks needs a breather. Wynn is a JAG OO would be the first guy in for Vernon or you can switch back to a 4 man front. With JPP down you have to fill that and OO is has not shown that ability. Romeo is a ? would you like that ? answered with Elliot going by him. Or Wynn who can not get to the QB the Equivalent to John Jerry a guy who can only do one thing. Rather add some beef to the line stop the Run and use vernon like LT was used and bring the secondary in on blitz like Spags has been doing.
LBs in a 3-4 are Easier to play then a 4-3 Vernon,Shepard,Robinson Castilas have all played it.
You're obviously young and don't understand the game as well as you think you do. The best pass rusher in a 4-3 LOS is not only going to play linebacker in a 3-4 but we're switch back to a 4-3 if he comes out. Not even to try and fix the rest of the ideas. Thanks
You don't think Hankins can be an effective DE in a 3-4 hasn't he been at DE a few times in packages and can get pressure on the QB? Bromley was suppose to be the pressure guy from DT coming out of College.
like I said in today's defense its not that big a stretch and I would rather add Bromley/Thomas then Wynn or Romeo who have not shown much of anything.
the only thing you are changing is Vernon standing up to rush,which he has done before.
I am the biggest fan of the 3-4 defense you can find and I have defended its use on here multiple times and everything your saying about it is true. However with all that said its not going to happen for this defense the roster is not built for it and with the limited practice time these coaches have with the CBA they cant install a new defense during the season
Once again I am not adding a LB
Vernon serves that purpose.
yeah, but we could put Collins at linebacker and OBJ at safety.
He is the best they have in reserve. Let him play.
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wherefore art thou Romeo?
He is the best they have in reserve. Let him play.
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is not a hard conversion these days and could be run by the personal we have. Would it be perfect? No but its one way you could hide the Loss of JPP. Its also tougher to Run on.
I am the biggest fan of the 3-4 defense you can find and I have defended its use on here multiple times and everything your saying about it is true. However with all that said its not going to happen for this defense the roster is not built for it and with the limited practice time these coaches have with the CBA they cant install a new defense during the season
Agree we are short back ups but this can be an alignment added to the defense. As a Base no but a good way to hide the pass rushing DE we have lost in JPP.
or we can just Pray OO who is really in his first year due to injury last year and UDFA can fill the void like last year?
I do agree that we might and probably should see Hankins at DE more, at least on run downs. Hankins, Harrison, Thomas, Vernon, is a possibility on some plays. Wynn can also be used, especially against Free.
Next man up.
My point I would rather add a Thomas or Bromley then OO or Romeo. And Wynn is not a starter in any league.
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Surgery went well and feeling way better already. God is good. #90PowerCircle
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So, it comes down to the Detroit game, now.....
To control their own destiny, THEY HAVE TO WIN THE LAST THREE.
If they don't, then the possibility of them getting into the playoffs, are in doubt......and it will depend on what the wild card teams do, and not what the Giants do....yes, they can still get in the back door, if the other wild card contenders, fall on their faces....but winning the Detroit game puts us in the driver's seat.....
Why not just forfeit and save our health and energy for Detroit?
You guys really suck hard.
Good news(possibly): We may get a break on extending him before we either franchise him or let him test/head for, FA
Don't be surprised when you see a Variant of it on Sunday night. if we are being gashed off the right side.
Which if I was Dallas I would run strong side all game.
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That sucks
That why defenses are referred to as being "base" or not.
You idiotically suggested we move to a 3-4 defense. And you keep doubling down with each post acting as if it is a good idea.
Just stop it.
It's "DE by committee." Swing Hankins out to DE on some run plays. Use Wynn on the others, hopefully against Free. Okwara, Kennard, and maybe OO on passing downs.
Let's go.
The offense has to win this game....the defense has been carrying this team.....unless Dallas screws up with turnovers and penalties, this offense is going to have to have it's game of the year......unfortunately, I don't think it will happen....
We scored 20 points last time and beat the Cowboys, and the most points they've scored this year is 35.
Are we assuming that not having JPP means they are just going to roll points up on the road?
Or is this just more reactive bullshit?
Fats, while true that it only took 20 to win in week 1, I would say that this Dallas team is much better thane in week 1 offensively. Prescott and Elliot were making thei debuts, they now have 12 weeks under their belts and have been very consisten.
On the other side, the Giants D is better now than in week 1 as a unit, though they will certainly miss JPPs presence.
Why not just forfeit and save our health and energy for Detroit?
You guys really suck hard.
Let's not even show up on Sunday? I think that's a good idea.
You know how many points I want to score? At least 1 more than the Cowboys. Whether that number is 11, 21 or 31 doesn't matter to me.
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already on Sunday?
This is not brain surgery....the possibilities are we win, or we lose.....before JPP got hurt, I thought we would lose this game.....I think Dallas wants to avenge that first loss.....I didn't think we could stop Elliot before JPP got hurt...I think Dak will stand back there like a statue and pick apart our linebackers and safeties......if the Giant offense plays like it has all season, yes they have already lost.....
But I am shocked by the point spread.....does Vegas know something we don't? Are they trying to get a lot of Dallas money on Dallas?
For us to win, this defense would have to create turnovers, by great individual play.....and the offense will have to play lights out....
So can the Giants win? On any given Sunday.....Realistically, no.....
You know how many points I want to score? At least 1 more than the Cowboys. Whether that number is 11, 21 or 31 doesn't matter to me.
same here. beats staying up for a shitty performance AND a loss! :-)
Giants: 3
Cowboys: 2.
It's like a BPL game.
I'd rather win 4-3...
let them play all night for all I care I have DVR.
I wonder who quits firsts the players or Refs? My money is on the Refs..
at nightclub...like they are SB champs to motivate team.
Open up Offense. Forget forcing run. Feed it to Lewis deep.
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lol - yeah ok.
2012, serious question ...are you a fucking idiot? thanks
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lol - yeah ok.
2012, serious question ...am I a fucking idiot? thanks
Lets just get him healthy. If he tried to play thru it, and as a non-medical person, I can only fear what MAY have happened might even be worse. He's gonna get his $$$ from the Giants anyway, based on his performance, and even if he went 'Von Miller' the end of the season+ the $$$ would not be a huge difference.
The Dallas D may suck but our TOP sucks more, so unless our O goes off, and itd be nicely overdue, this was going to be a big challenge anyway(and knowing Dallas they would target JPPs groin anyway[think Tucks shoulder]) screwing us up for the remainder of the season.
Given this past w/e in the NFLE, this is almost another throwaway game. We can beat a good Detroit team, and Philly and Wash are floundering or going the wrong way. Knocking off Detroit would put us up on them by 2 w/2 games left, then Beat Philly the next week and Wash would have to win out the next 3 games; Minn would also have to win out by that scenario.
Let's stay healthy and win the final 3.
You want to see Nasib? Why do you think they brought in another QB after PreSeason?
Without Eli we are done. JPP we can scheme around now if Vernon gets hurt that might be the Tombstone for us. Not just Vernon but to lose both JPP an Vernon would be too much to overcome.
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lol - yeah ok.
2012, serious question ...are you a fucking idiot? thanks
Seek help
What? That's just crazy talk and I'm a big JPP fan.
We can sub and scheme for the loss of JPP but there's no solution to losing Eli. Losing JPP is huge but losing Eli would be catastrophic.
It will complicate negotiations with JPP's agent, but in the end it will mean a contract more favorable to the Giants. The risk is that it complicates things to the point of losing JPP to a team more willing to shell out guaranteed money.
I think we already know what we have in Wynn (a career-backup), but it will give Okwara and Owa Odi a chance to show their stuff. Assuming Odi can stay of the field (but even that is useful information to be gleaned).
So while the loss of JPP diminishes our chances at a Super Bowl title this season, it may prove helpful in putting together next season's Super Bowl team. All those who thought we had no chance this year anyway (with or without JPP) should view this in a positive light.
LOL. That's perfect!
Collins knocks Prescott out of the game early in the 1st quarter with a clean, blindside blitz.
A rusty Romo returns; throws 4 picks.
Beckham lights up Dallas secondary for 3 TDs.
caveat- I didn't read the whole thread
but a day or two ago, a very well respected football minded poster came out front and center that this is the way to go. perhaps that's where she got the idea?
my own take is that while I don't know what front to run, I do think that we have Vernon and then a whole lot of nothing for the other end.
The difference here is the idea that we should go to the 3-4 as a base defense as if it is as easy as flipping a switch and doing it.
It pretty much takes more than half the defensive playbook away.
The difference here is the idea that we should go to the 3-4 as a base defense as if it is as easy as flipping a switch and doing it.
It pretty much takes more than half the defensive playbook away.
The Giants do have personnel that already has experience in a 3-4 defense or are scheme diverse but they would still need to bring in several players that are better fits. People tend to simplify the difference between the scheme's.
How about the offense take a turn and cover for the defense like the defense has been covering for the offense all season?
The difference here is the idea that we should go to the 3-4 as a base defense as if it is as easy as flipping a switch and doing it.
It pretty much takes more than half the defensive playbook away.
you know there are many different 3-4 combinations and hybrids. that's what I was talking about. Getting the most out of the players we have left.
So how would you hide the huge hole we now have at DE?
And you can run this formation out of this Defense the Giants play can run it and bet its been looked at.. A varient yes but its still a 3-4 scheme.
This would be the best use of the defensive 7 and get Vernon one on one with the LT.
It maintains continuity on the line, keeps the D intact in a scheme that has played very well this year, and you don't have to change the playbook extensively.
Losing JPP isn't ideal, but to react to his loss by going to formations that will then bring another LB on the field, doesn't seem to strengthen the team - it would seem to weaken it.
The backup DE's aren't JPP, but they aren't terrible either - and the defense hasn't just been JPP.
No need to overreact and change things that are working OK, especially when we are relying on that unit to keep us in games right now.
I hate to be selfish, but I hope this injury makes him easier to re-sign.
If you are already putting a loss in the books versus Dallas, you haven't watched the NFL very long.
Wouldn't you expect most likely a close game? That means the Giants are in it and could easily win, esp being at home.
but don't you want your best players on the field first?
Having Hankins at DE is a putting a guy out there who is not a pass rush specialist against a RT is a mismatch.also losing his play in the middle where he excels. I know we have shown it but that's not how you replace a missing piece. As fans we just want the best for the team
its really all just spitballing as Spags gets paid to get the most out of these guys.
I just hope we have enough to win two more games.
Otherwise, it will be a long evening on national TV.
Also.....seek help.
but don't you want your best players on the field first?
Having Hankins at DE is a putting a guy out there who is not a pass rush specialist against a RT is a mismatch.also losing his play in the middle where he excels. I know we have shown it but that's not how you replace a missing piece. As fans we just want the best for the team
its really all just spitballing as Spags gets paid to get the most out of these guys.
I just hope we have enough to win two more games.
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has shined in his time here on the field more than Bromley or any of OO Wynn and Romeo. continuity is important
but don't you want your best players on the field first?
Having Hankins at DE is a putting a guy out there who is not a pass rush specialist against a RT is a mismatch.also losing his play in the middle where he excels. I know we have shown it but that's not how you replace a missing piece. As fans we just want the best for the team
its really all just spitballing as Spags gets paid to get the most out of these guys.
I just hope we have enough to win two more games.
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because we lost one starter on the team ...
Its a big blow for sure I feel bad for JPP he was having
a terrific season . Biggest question is who starts in his
place . My guess is Wynn and he will rotate with Okwara
and eventually Odi when he gets healthy .
We don't even have the linebackers to even try it .
We can win without JPP by just getting solid play but the
offense is gonna have to pick it up a whole lot . I think
getting back Vereen and of course Pugh will help .
The problem is the defense has been on the field far too
long and its wearing down . Steelers took it to us and
used the same plan we have seen all year the difference is
the step up in competition . Quality teams the rest of
the way .
It maintains continuity on the line, keeps the D intact in a scheme that has played very well this year, and you don't have to change the playbook extensively.
Losing JPP isn't ideal, but to react to his loss by going to formations that will then bring another LB on the field, doesn't seem to strengthen the team - it would seem to weaken it.
The backup DE's aren't JPP, but they aren't terrible either - and the defense hasn't just been JPP.
No need to overreact and change things that are working OK, especially when we are relying on that unit to keep us in games right now.
And the award for dumbest post of the year goes to...JD in NC. Congrats!
That sucks
Dude. That is a really sad picture.
Who'd would you rather have to depend on - a backup DE or Nassib?
Who'd would you rather have to depend on - a backup DE or Nassib?
You must be kidding. Eli does so much for this team that goes undetected. Like his ability to make the line look decent when they are horrific. Seriously, your kidding right?
Did someone say the opposite? And that is what you are referring to?