injuries unfortunately play a very big part. Giants have been relatively healthy this season.
Tough to lose such a player, but good teams endure. Think the Patriots will miss Gronk, but not to the point that they won't win the division and be a player in the tournament.
Good teams find ways to survive these types of losses.
Come one, that's a poor example. 1, its the Patriots and 2, we are a fringe good team to begin with. Our defense should still be OK but if the offense doesn't show up, teams are going to grind out games on the ground against us. Time for BM and Eli to step up and start crafting some points for this team.
of rebuttal are you looking for when you recommend changing a defensive scheme in Week 13?
You should actually be happy with the responses you've gotten, because that kind of a suggestion probably deserves an insult or two on how much of a fucking moron one can be.
Do you think it is easy to just flip a switch and run a completely different defense because you can change it on the fly, mid-drive, when playing Madden?
It's football
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injuries unfortunately play a very big part. Giants have been relatively healthy this season.
Tough to lose such a player, but good teams endure. Think the Patriots will miss Gronk, but not to the point that they won't win the division and be a player in the tournament.
Good teams find ways to survive these types of losses
Injuries are one of the most predictive metrics used to determine who is in the playoffs. Since 2000 (when it started to be tracked by the Professional Trainers), the Super Bowl has only one time not had a participant in the top 5 of health that year (ironically, it was a Giants-Pats game).
In terms of playoff participants, every years has seen at least 4 of the top 10 teams in terms of good health qualify, and the # 1 team in health has been in the Super Bowl 7 times.
Saying teams overcome injuries is a good quip, but it doesn't have much basis in reality.
JPP is a stud. I really like Okwara. More reps may mean more sacks. Spag's will have his plate full scheming a pass rush
I'm less concerned about pass rush and more on stopping the run this weekend. We've seen Spags play Hankins as DE in some pass rush spots the past few weeks. I wonder if they would consider shifting Hankins out to JPP's spot to help anchor and look for Bromley/Thomas to take up space next to Snacks. At the very least, we could look for Wynn to battle Doug Free to a draw. The only upside for this week is Free is the Cowboys weakest lineman. But they went from what would have been a pretty sure advantage to maybe a push at best.
Matt, Hankins to DE is a good idea. Plus we have seen Kennard get reps at DT and DE in pass rush situations.
Robert Thomas and Bromley have played pretty well in limited time. I believe that if Spags can get a little creative we can still compete without JPP.
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Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
3-4
Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
It's a good thing they have a 2 month break before the Cowboys to install a new D. Works out nicely.
You understand they probably already have it in the play book its very easy to change to that look with the talent we have since Snacks is a Natural NG and can take on two linemen.Hankins can handle DE as can Bromley/Roberts
NY Daily News says he's had surgery and done for the season
3-4
Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
You could do it with Snacks and you don't have to be in a 3-4 the entire game like other teams do if Snacks needs a breather. Wynn is a JAG OO would be the first guy in for Vernon or you can switch back to a 4 man front. With JPP down you have to fill that and OO is has not shown that ability. Romeo is a ? would you like that ? answered with Elliot going by him. Or Wynn who can not get to the QB the Equivalent to John Jerry a guy who can only do one thing. Rather add some beef to the line stop the Run and use vernon like LT was used and bring the secondary in on blitz like Spags has been doing.
LBs in a 3-4 are Easier to play then a 4-3 Vernon,Shepard,Robinson Castilas have all played it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Now is the time to switch to a
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
You could do it with Snacks and you don't have to be in a 3-4 the entire game like other teams do if Snacks needs a breather. Wynn is a JAG OO would be the first guy in for Vernon or you can switch back to a 4 man front. With JPP down you have to fill that and OO is has not shown that ability. Romeo is a ? would you like that ? answered with Elliot going by him. Or Wynn who can not get to the QB the Equivalent to John Jerry a guy who can only do one thing. Rather add some beef to the line stop the Run and use vernon like LT was used and bring the secondary in on blitz like Spags has been doing.
LBs in a 3-4 are Easier to play then a 4-3 Vernon,Shepard,Robinson Castilas have all played it.
You're obviously young and don't understand the game as well as you think you do. The best pass rusher in a 4-3 LOS is not only going to play linebacker in a 3-4 but we're switch back to a 4-3 if he comes out. Not even to try and fix the rest of the ideas. Thanks
is not a hard conversion these days and could be run by the personal we have. Would it be perfect? No but its one way you could hide the Loss of JPP. Its also tougher to Run on.
great idea. A team that doesn't have 3 good LBs should move to
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
You could do it with Snacks and you don't have to be in a 3-4 the entire game like other teams do if Snacks needs a breather. Wynn is a JAG OO would be the first guy in for Vernon or you can switch back to a 4 man front. With JPP down you have to fill that and OO is has not shown that ability. Romeo is a ? would you like that ? answered with Elliot going by him. Or Wynn who can not get to the QB the Equivalent to John Jerry a guy who can only do one thing. Rather add some beef to the line stop the Run and use vernon like LT was used and bring the secondary in on blitz like Spags has been doing.
LBs in a 3-4 are Easier to play then a 4-3 Vernon,Shepard,Robinson Castilas have all played it.
You're obviously young and don't understand the game as well as you think you do. The best pass rusher in a 4-3 LOS is not only going to play linebacker in a 3-4 but we're switch back to a 4-3 if he comes out. Not even to try and fix the rest of the ideas. Thanks
You don't think Hankins can be an effective DE in a 3-4 hasn't he been at DE a few times in packages and can get pressure on the QB? Bromley was suppose to be the pressure guy from DT coming out of College.
like I said in today's defense its not that big a stretch and I would rather add Bromley/Thomas then Wynn or Romeo who have not shown much of anything.
the only thing you are changing is Vernon standing up to rush,which he has done before.
is not a hard conversion these days and could be run by the personal we have. Would it be perfect? No but its one way you could hide the Loss of JPP. Its also tougher to Run on.
I am the biggest fan of the 3-4 defense you can find and I have defended its use on here multiple times and everything your saying about it is true. However with all that said its not going to happen for this defense the roster is not built for it and with the limited practice time these coaches have with the CBA they cant install a new defense during the season
is not a hard conversion these days and could be run by the personal we have. Would it be perfect? No but its one way you could hide the Loss of JPP. Its also tougher to Run on.
I am the biggest fan of the 3-4 defense you can find and I have defended its use on here multiple times and everything your saying about it is true. However with all that said its not going to happen for this defense the roster is not built for it and with the limited practice time these coaches have with the CBA they cant install a new defense during the season
Agree we are short back ups but this can be an alignment added to the defense. As a Base no but a good way to hide the pass rushing DE we have lost in JPP.
or we can just Pray OO who is really in his first year due to injury last year and UDFA can fill the void like last year?
not switching to a 3-4. As others have said, we don't have the LBs to do that, and nobody is flipping the defense to a new scheme mid season. Not for one injury, and not when we're 8-4. This is also why Flowers isn't going to be benched or moved from LT. The most they might do is give him a little more help.
I do agree that we might and probably should see Hankins at DE more, at least on run downs. Hankins, Harrison, Thomas, Vernon, is a possibility on some plays. Wynn can also be used, especially against Free.
base alignment but pass rush mode may see a hybrid of that. The Offense HAS to step up now. NO more BS, no more 3 and outs.. They have to keep the Dline rested. I think we will be ok in the run department but we will be missing a pass rushing presence and now depth (which is minimal already) becomes an issue. One thing to rest a guy for a series or two its another when the guy who normally steps in for that series or two is starting and the 3rd string guy is now expected to play more. One more injury there and we will be done for.
base alignment but pass rush mode may see a hybrid of that. The Offense HAS to step up now. NO more BS, no more 3 and outs.. They have to keep the Dline rested. I think we will be ok in the run department but we will be missing a pass rushing presence and now depth (which is minimal already) becomes an issue. One thing to rest a guy for a series or two its another when the guy who normally steps in for that series or two is starting and the 3rd string guy is now expected to play more. One more injury there and we will be done for.
My point I would rather add a Thomas or Bromley then OO or Romeo. And Wynn is not a starter in any league.
that anyone thinks he will somehow return this season, or that somehow, we are going to beat Dallas without him.....
So, it comes down to the Detroit game, now.....
To control their own destiny, THEY HAVE TO WIN THE LAST THREE.
If they don't, then the possibility of them getting into the playoffs, are in doubt......and it will depend on what the wild card teams do, and not what the Giants do....yes, they can still get in the back door, if the other wild card contenders, fall on their faces....but winning the Detroit game puts us in the driver's seat.....
when one poster floated out the ridiculous idea to move to a different defensive scheme mid-season (even though we've had good results), and then added to the stupidity on each subsequent post by standing by the idea as if it is either a good one or even remotely logical.
Bad news: He's done for the year and playoffs. I know, I know we said he was probably done after his idiotic incident..Can't wear a 3 fingered glove on his groin, with all the twists, turns, stops and starts required..
Good news(possibly): We may get a break on extending him before we either franchise him or let him test/head for, FA
when one poster floated out the ridiculous idea to move to a different defensive scheme mid-season (even though we've had good results), and then added to the stupidity on each subsequent post by standing by the idea as if it is either a good one or even remotely logical.
Don't be surprised when you see a Variant of it on Sunday night. if we are being gashed off the right side.
Which if I was Dallas I would run strong side all game.
lose JPP so we can't win the game? Against a team we've already beat, and at their place? Even if we lost Eli, I'd still watch and hope.
It's "DE by committee." Swing Hankins out to DE on some run plays. Use Wynn on the others, hopefully against Free. Okwara, Kennard, and maybe OO on passing downs.
that the only way the Giants win, is the offense has to come out of it's offensive shell and score.....we are not going to stop Dallas with this defense.....we have to outscore them.....and that is going to mean, more than 30 points...something we haven't been able to do all season....
The offense has to win this game....the defense has been carrying this team.....unless Dallas screws up with turnovers and penalties, this offense is going to have to have it's game of the year......unfortunately, I don't think it will happen....
Tough to lose such a player, but good teams endure. Think the Patriots will miss Gronk, but not to the point that they won't win the division and be a player in the tournament.
Good teams find ways to survive these types of losses.
Come one, that's a poor example. 1, its the Patriots and 2, we are a fringe good team to begin with. Our defense should still be OK but if the offense doesn't show up, teams are going to grind out games on the ground against us. Time for BM and Eli to step up and start crafting some points for this team.
You should actually be happy with the responses you've gotten, because that kind of a suggestion probably deserves an insult or two on how much of a fucking moron one can be.
Do you think it is easy to just flip a switch and run a completely different defense because you can change it on the fly, mid-drive, when playing Madden?
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Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
Totally agree. Lets put the spotlight on our LBs to carry us to victory...
You realize I didn't add another LB Vernon has Played OLB in a 3-4 before.
Yes I saw it. Would prefer Vernon stayed at DE and you somehow added Herzlich into mix. That would at least tell us where the ball was going...
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Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
It's a good thing they have a 2 month break before the Cowboys to install a new D. Works out nicely.
joeinpa : 9:07 am : link : reply
injuries unfortunately play a very big part. Giants have been relatively healthy this season.
Tough to lose such a player, but good teams endure. Think the Patriots will miss Gronk, but not to the point that they won't win the division and be a player in the tournament.
Good teams find ways to survive these types of losses
Injuries are one of the most predictive metrics used to determine who is in the playoffs. Since 2000 (when it started to be tracked by the Professional Trainers), the Super Bowl has only one time not had a participant in the top 5 of health that year (ironically, it was a Giants-Pats game).
In terms of playoff participants, every years has seen at least 4 of the top 10 teams in terms of good health qualify, and the # 1 team in health has been in the Super Bowl 7 times.
Saying teams overcome injuries is a good quip, but it doesn't have much basis in reality.
A JPP update: He is expected to be out at least six weeks. 6-8 weeks is the recovery timeframe. So even a playoff return isn't guaranteed.
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JPP is a stud. I really like Okwara. More reps may mean more sacks. Spag's will have his plate full scheming a pass rush
I'm less concerned about pass rush and more on stopping the run this weekend. We've seen Spags play Hankins as DE in some pass rush spots the past few weeks. I wonder if they would consider shifting Hankins out to JPP's spot to help anchor and look for Bromley/Thomas to take up space next to Snacks. At the very least, we could look for Wynn to battle Doug Free to a draw. The only upside for this week is Free is the Cowboys weakest lineman. But they went from what would have been a pretty sure advantage to maybe a push at best.
Matt, Hankins to DE is a good idea. Plus we have seen Kennard get reps at DT and DE in pass rush situations.
Robert Thomas and Bromley have played pretty well in limited time. I believe that if Spags can get a little creative we can still compete without JPP.
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3-4
Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
Totally agree. Lets put the spotlight on our LBs to carry us to victory...
You realize I didn't add another LB Vernon has Played OLB in a 3-4 before.
Yes I saw it. Would prefer Vernon stayed at DE and you somehow added Herzlich into mix. That would at least tell us where the ball was going...
You show little to no football knowledge.
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3-4
Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
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3-4
Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
It's a good thing they have a 2 month break before the Cowboys to install a new D. Works out nicely.
You understand they probably already have it in the play book its very easy to change to that look with the talent we have since Snacks is a Natural NG and can take on two linemen.Hankins can handle DE as can Bromley/Roberts
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A JPP update: He is expected to be out at least six weeks. 6-8 weeks is the recovery timeframe. So even a playoff return isn't guaranteed.
Everyone's favorite little black raincloud chiming in after thoroughly scooped to help us figure out 8 weeks from now, for the math impaired.
That's one unlikable motherfucker right there.
He is the best they have in reserve. Let him play.
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3-4
Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
lol - yeah ok.
Once again a fine rebuttle
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
LBs in a 3-4 are Easier to play then a 4-3 Vernon,Shepard,Robinson Castilas have all played it.
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Hankins Snacks Roberts or Bromley
Vernon(rush backer) Castilas Robinson Kennard
DRC Collins Adams JJ
Totally agree. Lets put the spotlight on our LBs to carry us to victory...
You realize I didn't add another LB Vernon has Played OLB in a 3-4 before.
Yes I saw it. Would prefer Vernon stayed at DE and you somehow added Herzlich into mix. That would at least tell us where the ball was going...
You show little to no football knowledge.
Apologies for the wise-ass replies, but that is far better way than what others on this site would write to you regarding this idea.
Back to your idea...yes Snacks can play in a 3-4, but everybody else on our front 7 would be a fish out of water. And that is being nice.
So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
You could do it with Snacks and you don't have to be in a 3-4 the entire game like other teams do if Snacks needs a breather. Wynn is a JAG OO would be the first guy in for Vernon or you can switch back to a 4 man front. With JPP down you have to fill that and OO is has not shown that ability. Romeo is a ? would you like that ? answered with Elliot going by him. Or Wynn who can not get to the QB the Equivalent to John Jerry a guy who can only do one thing. Rather add some beef to the line stop the Run and use vernon like LT was used and bring the secondary in on blitz like Spags has been doing.
LBs in a 3-4 are Easier to play then a 4-3 Vernon,Shepard,Robinson Castilas have all played it.
You're obviously young and don't understand the game as well as you think you do. The best pass rusher in a 4-3 LOS is not only going to play linebacker in a 3-4 but we're switch back to a 4-3 if he comes out. Not even to try and fix the rest of the ideas. Thanks
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So if Snacks goes out who is your 1-tech?
Now Hankins is your 5 despite never playing there?
Vernon is now off the LOS and a 6'5 Wynn comes in if Vernon needs a breather?
Odi and Okwara don't a position and nobody can back up for Hankins
Brilliant idea. Keep the ideas coming and beg for a rebuttle to justify your ideas make no sense.
You could do it with Snacks and you don't have to be in a 3-4 the entire game like other teams do if Snacks needs a breather. Wynn is a JAG OO would be the first guy in for Vernon or you can switch back to a 4 man front. With JPP down you have to fill that and OO is has not shown that ability. Romeo is a ? would you like that ? answered with Elliot going by him. Or Wynn who can not get to the QB the Equivalent to John Jerry a guy who can only do one thing. Rather add some beef to the line stop the Run and use vernon like LT was used and bring the secondary in on blitz like Spags has been doing.
LBs in a 3-4 are Easier to play then a 4-3 Vernon,Shepard,Robinson Castilas have all played it.
You're obviously young and don't understand the game as well as you think you do. The best pass rusher in a 4-3 LOS is not only going to play linebacker in a 3-4 but we're switch back to a 4-3 if he comes out. Not even to try and fix the rest of the ideas. Thanks
You don't think Hankins can be an effective DE in a 3-4 hasn't he been at DE a few times in packages and can get pressure on the QB? Bromley was suppose to be the pressure guy from DT coming out of College.
like I said in today's defense its not that big a stretch and I would rather add Bromley/Thomas then Wynn or Romeo who have not shown much of anything.
the only thing you are changing is Vernon standing up to rush,which he has done before.
I am the biggest fan of the 3-4 defense you can find and I have defended its use on here multiple times and everything your saying about it is true. However with all that said its not going to happen for this defense the roster is not built for it and with the limited practice time these coaches have with the CBA they cant install a new defense during the season
Once again I am not adding a LB
Vernon serves that purpose.
yeah, but we could put Collins at linebacker and OBJ at safety.
He is the best they have in reserve. Let him play.
Here I is!
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wherefore art thou Romeo?
He is the best they have in reserve. Let him play.
Here I is!
My Homeo!!!!
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is not a hard conversion these days and could be run by the personal we have. Would it be perfect? No but its one way you could hide the Loss of JPP. Its also tougher to Run on.
I am the biggest fan of the 3-4 defense you can find and I have defended its use on here multiple times and everything your saying about it is true. However with all that said its not going to happen for this defense the roster is not built for it and with the limited practice time these coaches have with the CBA they cant install a new defense during the season
Agree we are short back ups but this can be an alignment added to the defense. As a Base no but a good way to hide the pass rushing DE we have lost in JPP.
or we can just Pray OO who is really in his first year due to injury last year and UDFA can fill the void like last year?
I do agree that we might and probably should see Hankins at DE more, at least on run downs. Hankins, Harrison, Thomas, Vernon, is a possibility on some plays. Wynn can also be used, especially against Free.
Next man up.
My point I would rather add a Thomas or Bromley then OO or Romeo. And Wynn is not a starter in any league.
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So, it comes down to the Detroit game, now.....
To control their own destiny, THEY HAVE TO WIN THE LAST THREE.
If they don't, then the possibility of them getting into the playoffs, are in doubt......and it will depend on what the wild card teams do, and not what the Giants do....yes, they can still get in the back door, if the other wild card contenders, fall on their faces....but winning the Detroit game puts us in the driver's seat.....
Why not just forfeit and save our health and energy for Detroit?
You guys really suck hard.
Good news(possibly): We may get a break on extending him before we either franchise him or let him test/head for, FA
Don't be surprised when you see a Variant of it on Sunday night. if we are being gashed off the right side.
Which if I was Dallas I would run strong side all game.
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That sucks
That why defenses are referred to as being "base" or not.
You idiotically suggested we move to a 3-4 defense. And you keep doubling down with each post acting as if it is a good idea.
Just stop it.
It's "DE by committee." Swing Hankins out to DE on some run plays. Use Wynn on the others, hopefully against Free. Okwara, Kennard, and maybe OO on passing downs.
Let's go.
The offense has to win this game....the defense has been carrying this team.....unless Dallas screws up with turnovers and penalties, this offense is going to have to have it's game of the year......unfortunately, I don't think it will happen....