you can only observe so much during the first viewing of a NYG game. We are all usually too nervous or jacked up to truly observe anything other than who's winning or losing and some stand out plays or players. The second time I watch I can actually pay attention to certain details. Here are a few...jump in any time.
--Eli made a great play on the 3rd down first drive. Under heavy pressure he flips the ball to JEnnings who had a clear wide lane for ten yards and a first. Any RB there has to get that first. Plenty of room. Jennings did but I feel like a better player gets more yardage there. Nothing new...this is the NYG offense.
--on the pass to Jerrel Adams early on in 1st quarter it appears to me that the defender hangs on the back of Adams right before the ball arrives. This obviously contributes to his failure at jumping more than 6 inches off the ground. Adams immediately looks for a flag which doesn't come. It's a blatant penalty. No mention from the fox crew. Fine. Drive stalls there. Eli did everything exactly right on that first drive. There's no way Adams can't jump any higher than that. He was held down. Watch it yourself and pause the play right as the ball arrives. IT's a terrible miss by the refs.
-- Pitt's screen game killed us all game long. Nothing new there as this has been discussed. On the next drive for PItt, Ben was under heavy pressure on one play but it may have been by design as he dumped to Bell late who would have had a nice gain if not for the drop. As stated, the NYG D seemed a bit lost at defending the screen. More pressure for Ben on 2nd and long...he shakes off Vernon and gets it to Brown for 8. 3rd and long...more heat on BEn...pass falls short and incomplete. Win for the NYG D. Early impressions are the Giants came to play and seem to have good footing early. My thoughts live were similar that this was going to be a good day for the Giants.
--Next NYG drive. The interference call on Beckham is just bizarre. Period. If anything it should have been no call on either guy. There was some contact but nothing egregious. I swear I think the refs were sending a message to BEckham there...but I can't prove it...Anyway...that penalty torpedoed any chance of offensive success there but on the next play Eli had a little time but squirted out a duck to a well covered Shepard....seems that play had no chance of succeeding.
--2nd and long give to Perkins. If Perkins cuts or looks to his left, he has one man to beat and gains at least 5 in his sleep, maybe more if he slips the tackle. But no...instead Perkins cuts to his rights and loses a yard.
The RBs leave a lot of meat on the bone. I can forgive Perkins as he's a kid but man...this is getting old.
--3rd and long...safety. Ive seen worse calls than the hold on Flowers but I really think the refs could exercise better judgement and timing with some of these calls. Nope...they flag his ass and change the whole course of the first quarter. Whatever...it wasn't even close to the worst call of the day.
--Pitt FG drive. Not much pressure on Ben but the NYG D did throttle Bell. Despite the one big pass to Green the GIants D stiffens and holds Pitt to 3. Again, I am feeling pretty good at this time as the D is keeping the game close. Just waiting on the Giants O to deliver...
--on the fateful NYG possession Eli did a good job of avoiding a sack and hits Shep for 3-4. Sets up a 3rd and 5--the Giants run it for 5...good play but again I can't help but think the RB was really just along for the ride. A violent RB with serious chops rips 10 yards off there. 2nd and long...Tye has a chance to rip off 30 yards but instead lets some slob arm tackle him for a gain of just 15. nice play? sure...should have been better. Same fucking story. No matter, they get into the RZ--first and goal...decent play on first to Tye but Eli throws the pick on second and the rest as they say is history.
My take...the OL breakdowns do occur, maybe even more than most teams out there. But the RBs and WRs and TEs on this team NOT named BEckham leave a lot of meat on the bone and Eli's timimg with the dreaded INT is at times, terrible.
I have more to watch but that's my take and the second half shouldn't change my mind.
How many missed tackles do we generate from the likes of Shepard, Jennings, Crux or any TE? Not many.
11-0 and things are getting out of control yet I still feel like we have a shot.
Next NYG drive and one that embodies everything that is wrong with the NYG offense---first play Eli gets rid of the ball in under a second but throws incomplete to a well covered Shepard. If he hits him in stride Shepard probably gets killed as there was two guys around him and one more dude closing in on him. BEckham, top of the screen is open. Terrible play call and it appears that play doesn't allow for any improv at all. It was doomed to fail and what sucks is Eli has a clean pocket there but instead just rifles off a pass that has no shot at working. NExt play is a solid run to Perk...running game seems to be working but no big plays. 3rd and short...Eli has time...drifts back and just spits out a turd to Tye that wouldn't have been enough even if was caught. I hate this drive so much it makes my head hurt. The OL did its part. The playcalling and execution did not. It's like Eli and McAdoo said let's take the easy way out here and hope that the first read is open. If not, chuck and duck.
The play design was good, Eli looked off the safety, he had a window, albeit a tight one, and Timmons just made a VERY athletic play for a LB. A nice close on the ball and an overhead, fingertip grab.
Sometimes you have to tip your cap to the other team.
And yes, that play did kill us.
Here is what I am going to say about the Brown TD. Ben actually made an AWFUL decision. Absolutely terrible one. What people forget is that when Ben rolled right and threw.... Leon Hall ran to the sideline to talk to the sideline reporter instead of playign the ball. If Hall stayed home and stood his ground - its an easy INT.
Just a tale of two plays.
Man I am trying to be objective. I feel like we all get so invested in this team and some of the players. I have been snapping at people all year long while defending or at times blaming Eli and that's unfair.
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Here is what I am going to say about the Brown TD. Ben actually made an AWFUL decision. Absolutely terrible one. What people forget is that when Ben rolled right and threw.... Leon Hall ran to the sideline to talk to the sideline reporter instead of playign the ball. If Hall stayed home and stood his ground - its an easy INT.
Just a tale of two plays.
I just watched it again. I somehow missed Hall there. You're right...WTF is HAll doing there? he's standing in the middle of the left side of the EZ!!!!
Regardless, i think Ben saw that and went for the kill shot. When it works you're brilliant when it fails you're an idiot. Honestly I am not even killing Eli for the RZ INT as much as I am just this pop gun offense of his, and even then I wouldn't say I am killing him.
it looked to me Flowers was holding - a little.
regardless of all that Eli's absolute awful interception was the game loser.
The play design was good, Eli looked off the safety, he had a window, albeit a tight one, and Timmons just made a VERY athletic play for a LB. A nice close on the ball and an overhead, fingertip grab.
Sometimes you have to tip your cap to the other team.
And yes, that play did kill us.
Absolutely right. I just hate RZ INTS especially in the context of this game and timing. Pick a better time to gamble lol...
Just a terrible play by Hall.
Disagree on point 2 re Adams. I think Adams misjudged the ball. He should have kept running under it rather than stopping to jump. I think he made it a non-catchable ball by doing so.
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Here is what I am going to say about the Brown TD. Ben actually made an AWFUL decision. Absolutely terrible one. What people forget is that when Ben rolled right and threw.... Leon Hall ran to the sideline to talk to the sideline reporter instead of playing the ball. If Hall stayed home and stood his ground - its an easy INT.
Just a tale of two plays.
+1. This was a stupid, and lucky throw. Then again he does the same thing as Eli, throw it up for grabs to his best receiver when in man-to-man coverage. For all the people praising this throw, they should also praise Eli when he does the same. 8 times out of 10 that pass the Brown is incomplete or picked.
I'm reluctant to blame the officials for a loss, some here seem to do this all the time. And, to be sure, I thought Pitt for the most part controlled both lines of scrimmage, but I'd love to hear how these officials were evaluated by the league for this game. I don't mean the public evaluation; I mean what goes on behind closed doors.
The first thing many bring up when complaining is BEckham. Beckham is the ONLY guy I am NOT worried about.
It is always the plays he misses that have become an issue. He had Perkins in the flat this week for a score, guys open downfield that he constantly misses. He has been a great Giant but it is time to face the facts that he is hurting this team right more than helping them.
djm has done an excellent breakdown that seems fairly neutral to me. Where is the excuse complaint coming from?
[quote] Can you point to posts that are making excuses here?
Yeah I had to actually re-read my posts to make sure I actually went there. I didn't. If anything I was planning on the inevitable post of mine where I do in fact kill Eli. But I am not there yet. The pick did suck though. Matter of fact I pretty much said so. But picks I can live with if you back them up with a lot of plays. I thought Eli's 2010 campaign was underrated. Sure he threw a billion INTS but he also hung up a lot of points and yards. 2011 he was even better with less INTs.
No one should be saying the penalties cost NYG anything and most are just saying the officiating was terrible as usual. For what its worth the Giants have been one of the least penalized teams all year long so Sunday was nothing new. Dallas fan? Fuck off.
Donnell had not stepped on the field for three games. He comes on for that play and you know Pitt is thinking that he is going to get the ball here and he does. They probably knew the pass was going there before we did.
We often tip our hand on what we are going to do based upon player substitution.
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I feel like Eli was baited into this a bit and Timmons knew it was coming.
Donnell had not stepped on the field for three games. He comes on for that play and you know Pitt is thinking that he is going to get the ball here and he does. They probably knew the pass was going there before we did.
We often tip our hand on what we are going to do based upon player substitution.
If the Steelers knew it was coming, then they did a shitty job.
Donnell was open and the only reason Timmons made the pick (which he had to leap to get) was that the ball was underthrown badly.
A good pass there is an easy TD.
Weird if a team knew the ball was going to Donnell that they would leave him wide open.
Ben looked him off and he followed Ben not Brown.
He went to where brown was, not where he is moving to.
A good safety doesn't drift and react on the throw.
Hall has no business playing safety in the NFL.
ON NYG's first drive of second half--one little pass to Beckham on a little curl type route for a few decent yards followed by an incomplete pass to BEckham running a little slant followed by a 3rd down sack. No real chance at succeeding there on 3rd down. Pitt brought 5 men...Jennings was responsible for the heat coming on the left side. He tries to undercut the blitzer but this fails to slow the guy down and as Eli sees the middle collapsing ducks into the blitz without much of a fight. Can't blame him. That's the first complete OL collapse of the day and it came on 3rd down. Bad timing. Punt.
And for the life of I don't understand the first down pass to BEckham. Triple covered. Eli HAS TO HIT Shephard on the top of the screen. Wide open. Instead he throws into trip coverage. Bad play. No points. See you later.
And for the life of I don't understand the first down pass to BEckham. Triple covered. Eli HAS TO HIT Shephard on the top of the screen. Wide open. Instead he throws into trip coverage. Bad play. No points. See you later.
yep. you have to get those first points on the board. Take the FG with your D playing well and chip away.
You would like to think that as a 13 tear vet, Eli wold have enough stature, confidence to do what has to be done.
Or, maybe he simply just had a bad game.
Even if you don't want to kill Eli for his failure to see the whole field he goes right back to Beckham on the sidelines on 2nd down in a play that seemed doomed from the start. More the play design then the playcall...Beckham runs a weird querky pattern where he cuts towards the sidelines in a straight line then cuts up field along the sidelines...his catch radius there is next to none..the DB has the advantages there as he can sort of cushion the WR against the sidelines and just cover the deeper area. Eli also had time in the pocket but goes to Beckham anyway.
That last drive sucked more than the one that ended in an INT. The Giants sucked up that drive as well as Pitt could have hoped for. The RZ play calling on first down was fine and should have resulted in a TD to Shephard. 3rd down got them closer but why not run it on 4th? Don't like the pass there on 4th but if it works we aren't complaining at all and it has worked for most of the year.
Don't know how or why Eli wouldn't trust Shepard he's displayed great hands and RZ awareness all year long. I think Eli just didn't see him. There was some penetration coming up the middle but nothing crazy. Eli just didn't hold the ball long enough and/or look to another part of the field. Period. If he did he throws to Shep.
The play design was good, Eli looked off the safety, he had a window, albeit a tight one, and Timmons just made a VERY athletic play for a LB. A nice close on the ball and an overhead, fingertip grab.
Sometimes you have to tip your cap to the other team.
And yes, that play did kill us.
Eli seems to be off on those throws.I wish and think
Lewis is key to big offense.He is coming close to making
big plays like in college. Frustrating to see him drop
balls but some are being knocked out by db's.
Hope Eli gets on page w him so it opens up other guys.
Don't be a fuckwad. Beckham was twisted, turned and wrenched throughout the game. Villanueva (Pitt LOT) was holding Vernon more egregiously than the weak hold called on Flowers for the safety throughout the game - not once, not twice, not three times - throughout the game and no calls. On the goal line on 4th down, Shazier went through Tye on a no doubt PI - bit no call.
I don't give a shit what the penalty count was, Pittsburgh got a way with murder..
they are watching to the details.
After your third viewing, maybe you can
point out the holding call that Flowers got away with on
the Jennings TD, that was blatant! I noticed you neglected that as well.
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Giants were penalized 4 times for 24 yards. Steelers were penalized 12 times 115 yards....and I keep hearing about the bad calls costing the Giants the game.
Don't be a fuckwad. Beckham was twisted, turned and wrenched throughout the game. Villanueva (Pitt LOT) was holding Vernon more egregiously than the weak hold called on Flowers for the safety throughout the game - not once, not twice, not three times - throughout the game and no calls. On the goal line on 4th down, Shazier went through Tye on a no doubt PI - bit no call.
I don't give a shit what the penalty count was, Pittsburgh got a way with murder..
Need a snickers or box of tissues, LOL.
they are watching to the details.
After your third viewing, maybe you can
point out the holding call that Flowers got away with on
the Jennings TD, that was blatant! I noticed you neglected that as well.
OK thanks for your input there sunshine.
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Here is what I am going to say about the Brown TD. Ben actually made an AWFUL decision. Absolutely terrible one. What people forget is that when Ben rolled right and threw.... Leon Hall ran to the sideline to talk to the sideline reporter instead of playign the ball. If Hall stayed home and stood his ground - its an easy INT.
Just a tale of two plays.
taled to the sideline reporter? wtf
agree.. saw lots of hooks and holds.. this is the kind of game where my wife almost throws me out of the house.. fuck the crooked refs