NFT: Hot Stove Thread 12/7 (Yankee-flavored)

if this has been discussed on previous threads but Cashman made it pretty clear that Hicks will be on the team next year and split time with Judge in right.

I don't really mind that. He had a very good 2015 year and a decent rebound the end of last year. Still a very good defender and can play all OF positions.

I'm willing to give him another year or half a year. Yankees would get little to nothing if they traded him now

for Jansen. It's just talk to get Chapman to sign. But if the 92 million number is true, the numbers are already getting kind of silly for Chapman.

at face the Royals probably could have gotten more in terms of prospects for Davis, but light-tower power with improving walk and K rates doesn't grow on trees, and he has a team-friendly deal through 2020. Soler could turn into a special player, and if he doesn't he's a known commodity. That K rate though, certainly at odds with the guys who have dominated recent Ned Yost lineups.

Not sure what happened to the earlier Yanks thread, but MinorLeagueBall published his list earlier for them.
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he told Joey Bats's agent they weren't making an offer because Baltimore fans don't like Joey Bats. That made me smile.

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Source: Rodney close with D-backs on one-year, $2.75M deal that can max out at $5M.

I've also gotta laugh at guys who make a rating scale of A,B,C, etc then give A-, B+ and so on. Perhaps it's better to use a numerical system, then?

In comment 13253926 yatqb said:

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I've also gotta laugh at guys who make a rating scale of A,B,C, etc then give A-, B+ and so on. Perhaps it's better to use a numerical system, then?

I'd guess that an A- for someone who's never taken an AB in AA is pretty good (and rare). If he has similar success in Trenton+ in 2017, I imagine he'll be an "A" this time next year.

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I've also gotta laugh at guys who make a rating scale of A,B,C, etc then give A-, B+ and so on. Perhaps it's better to use a numerical system, then?

A prospect on his list are considered prospects with a "good chance" of becoming stars. Torres is an excellent prospect but is A) Not MLB ready B) A notch below what most would say "good chance to become a star". Matt Eddy yesterday compared and contrasted Torres/Rosario and the Phillies JP Crawford and basically saw all 3 as very good but didn't sound like any were "good chance to be stars".

has Eloy Jimenez (the guy the Yankees reportedly took Torres over) also as an A-. The only A he's given out so far is Dansby Swanson

love the Soler trade for the Royals. Close to zero risk beyond "well maybe if they got multiple prospects they could have added multiple pieces".

and Rangers have had trade discussions.

are in great position to pull a Yankees and build up a monster farm with the quickness

I think the Cubs won that trade for sure. Four players (including Torres) for half a season of Chapman vs. just one player for a full season of Davis? I get injury risk for Davis being a factor and maybe the Royals just really like Soler but to me that looks pretty sweet from Chicago's perspective.

Also would have been interesting to see if they could have gotten more by waiting for Chapman and Jansen to sign first.

what people don't realize about the Yanks is that their farm was Top 10 before they started dealing. Very very deep system. Unless the White Sox sell everyone, it'd be tough to get that sort of depth.

In comment 13253958 Dunedin81 said:

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what people don't realize about the Yanks is that their farm was Top 10 before they started dealing. Very very deep system. Unless the White Sox sell everyone, it'd be tough to get that sort of depth.

Robertson, Nate Jones, Abreu, Frazier, Quintana, Eaton... for such a bad team they have TONS of guys who could/should bring back multiple nice pieces.

Melky likely brings back 1 decent piece (.800 OPS this season, final year of a deal). Much smaller scale but Dan Jennings has been solid and likely nets something.

sign AJ Ellis, Dustin McGowan and Jeff Locke... yawn.

discussions you mentioned?

Is it Bruce for Jeffress?

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discussions you mentioned? Is it Bruce for Jeffress?

TJ SUllivan suspects reliever for Bruce

underrated player, would be a big pickup

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Source: White Sox working on a deal to send Adam Eaton to the Nationals.

but that sort of power in a guy who isn't a lead-footed DH is tough to come by, and most of his peripherals are improving. His downside is still a useful player, while Torres is still in A-Ball.

have to assume the White Sox are picking up 1 of Robles, Giolito or Joe Ross in this trade.

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but that sort of power in a guy who isn't a lead-footed DH is tough to come by, and most of his peripherals are improving. His downside is still a useful player, while Torres is still in A-Ball.

Reminds me of Dye before Dye became a defensive liability at the end.

also has four years of team control. He could be a star if he cuts down on the strikeouts and a change of scenery might help him reach his potential.

I just think when compared to the Chapman deal, the Royals could have gotten more. I admittedly tend to overrate the value of prospects though.

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have to assume the White Sox are picking up 1 of Robles, Giolito or Joe Ross in this trade.

Robles not in the deal

is very, very underrated. He and Turner are going to be an annoying duo. Sum of parts player, great contract.

In comment 13253905 Dunedin81 said:

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he told Joey Bats's agent they weren't making an offer because Baltimore fans don't like Joey Bats. That made me smile.

I just read that. WTF? More of these GMs just speak their mind even when there is zero upside to doing so - bizarre way to go about one's business.

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In comment 13253905 Dunedin81 said: Quote: he told Joey Bats's agent they weren't making an offer because Baltimore fans don't like Joey Bats. That made me smile. I just read that. WTF? More of these GMs just speak their mind even when there is zero upside to doing so - bizarre way to go about one's business.

It's a calculated dig at a guy who likely goes back to a division rival, a little red meat.

i would have kept my mouth shut. Not that it really matters - Bautista, like 99% of the world.. will sign with the team that gives him the most money.

But there's just zero upside in saying something like that. And he's not on your team - so ... like Phil Jackson with Lebron a month ago... why bother?

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In comment 13253926 yatqb said: Quote: I've also gotta laugh at guys who make a rating scale of A,B,C, etc then give A-, B+ and so on. Perhaps it's better to use a numerical system, then? A prospect on his list are considered prospects with a "good chance" of becoming stars. Torres is an excellent prospect but is A) Not MLB ready B) A notch below what most would say "good chance to become a star". Matt Eddy yesterday compared and contrasted Torres/Rosario and the Phillies JP Crawford and basically saw all 3 as very good but didn't sound like any were "good chance to be stars".

Thanks, Dan!

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i would have kept my mouth shut. Not that it really matters - Bautista, like 99% of the world.. will sign with the team that gives him the most money. But there's just zero upside in saying something like that. And he's not on your team - so ... like Phil Jackson with Lebron a month ago... why bother?

I just disagree. They're a team that rarely spends money, the headline reading "O's won't sign Joey Bats because he's a prick" plays a lot better than "O's won't sign Joey Bats because Peter Angelos is a cheap bastard"

wow. Dan is right, Eaton is very underrated. Great all-around player, cheap contract.

Sox are really loading up


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#WhiteSox return includes Lucas Giolito, Dane Dunning and Reynaldo Lopez for Adam Eaton.

Dunning was a 1st round pick this year. Really strong trade for both teams.

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#WhiteSox return includes Lucas Giolito, Dane Dunning and Reynaldo Lopez for Adam Eaton.

with these two trades.

exciting time to be a White Sox fan.

Quintana should bring back a similar haul, Robertson has value, Melky had a solid season, Frazier likely has solid value.

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The White Sox have gone from one of the game's worst farm systems to one of the best in 48 hours.


Eaton is undoubtedly better than Gardner, but Gardner is a nice player who plays good defense, walks and steals bases and might chip in 10-15 bombs. I may be presumptuous in thinking than Dane Dunning would be enough to get Gardner from the Yanks, but I think that's probably about right. Is the difference between Gardner and Eaton in the outfield really Giolito and Lopez?

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White Sox are about to add the No. 1 (Moncada), No. 3 (Giolito), No. 30 (Kopech) and No. 38 (Lopez) prospects per http://MLBPipeline.com

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One I could see. Both... that's insane.

and best prospect hitter in 24 hours plus plus.

Saw this retweeted about Kopech:

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Daryl Van Schouwen Verified account ‏@CST_soxvan 1h1 hour ago Michael Kopech on comps to Syndergaard: 'I don�t want that to be my ceiling, no disrespect to him. I want to kind of set my own limits.'

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Chris Lyle ‏@chrislyle3 Dec 6 @JeffPassan just compared Yoan Moncada's skills to Mike Trout and Mike Kopech to Noah Syndergaard on @WaddleandSilvy I sure hope he's right

In comment 13254030 Dunedin81 said:

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Ben Badler �@BenBadler 17s17 seconds ago The White Sox have gone from one of the game's worst farm systems to one of the best in 48 hours. Eaton is undoubtedly better than Gardner, but Gardner is a nice player who plays good defense, walks and steals bases and might chip in 10-15 bombs. I may be presumptuous in thinking than Dane Dunning would be enough to get Gardner from the Yanks, but I think that's probably about right. Is the difference between Gardner and Eaton in the outfield really Giolito and Lopez?

Fangraphs had Eaton worth 6.0 WAR last year. They had Gardner worth 2.4.

Eaton is signed $23.5M for 5 years with the deal ending in 2019. Gardner is signed $52M for 4 years with the deal ending in 2018.

Looks like Eaton is a better player on a better contract but I think he's going to regress a bit from last year's season.

pure stuff is filthy but whether he puts it together or struggles for a few years (3 ERA, averaging <6 IP a start) remains to be seen.

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pure stuff is filthy but whether he puts it together or struggles for a few years (3 ERA, averaging <6 IP a start) remains to be seen.

I don't love Giolito either based on what I saw in, admittedly, a very small sample last season. Lopez doesn't have the best command of his fastball, but I love the 3 pitches I saw from him last year.

Giolito's shine has fallen that fast. Eaton's defense must be special + contract.

But that seems like an overpay

math, if Eaton is a 4 fWAR player the next 3 seasons (he was worth 6.o this year) then he's basically giving the Nationals about 90 million of "value" for 18 million in salary. If he's a 3 fWAR player per season for the next 3 it's more like 67.5 vs. 18.

can both overpay and still "win" for what they are trying to do. The Nationals improved their team for the near future. They got better. They may regret the trade down the line but they got a very good player on a great contract.