Sale with those prospects to... Adam Eaton? Does Giolito need surgery again or something? I would want to break everything right now if I were a Nats fan.
soooo do the White Sox want Jay Bruce or Granderson?
Lol there is no way Chicago accepts that. The Sox are rebuilding why would they want Bruce who is a free agent at the end of the season? Also Robertson has quite a bit of value right now. The Mets would likely need to include Rosario plus.
We're saying that some in the Nats front office were down on Giolito and believed he would never be more than a #3 starter. They also argued Eaton's five year contract made him much more attractive
We're saying that some in the Nats front office were down on Giolito and believed he would never be more than a #3 starter. They also argued Eaton's five year contract made him much more attractive
Then they should have shut the F up about it and hyped him to no end before dealing him. Leaking that he stinks isn't a smart way to do business.
We're saying that some in the Nats front office were down on Giolito and believed he would never be more than a #3 starter. They also argued Eaton's five year contract made him much more attractive
We're saying that some in the Nats front office were down on Giolito and believed he would never be more than a #3 starter. They also argued Eaton's five year contract made him much more attractive
Same as it ever was.
The White Sox GM woke up and just asked himself, well...how did I get here?
We're saying that some in the Nats front office were down on Giolito and believed he would never be more than a #3 starter. They also argued Eaton's five year contract made him much more attractive
Same as it ever was.
The White Sox GM woke up and just asked himself, well...how did I get here?
We're saying that some in the Nats front office were down on Giolito and believed he would never be more than a #3 starter. They also argued Eaton's five year contract made him much more attractive
but to me this trade was ghastly from the Nats' perspective. You have five years of cheap production, which is great, but your window is probably 2-3 years and you'd have to expect Eaton to be declining at the tail end of the deal. Is a 32 year old who doesn't really hit for power and is probably back in a corner OF spot by then really going to be a cornerstone player on a post-Harper Nats team?
There were cheaper 2-3 year options, arguably better ones as well. Charlie Blackmon would have been a nice fit, especially with their needs offensively (protection for Harper) and maybe worth that much in the way of prospects. If you had to have a top of the lineup guy, Gardner would have been much cheaper and left the pieces to go get something else you needed.
It's just bizarre given how Rizzo has operated in recent years
All this time they've been unwilling to deal top prospects to bring in someone to put them over the top, and when they finally do decide to pull the trigger, it's for Adam Eaton?
We're saying that some in the Nats front office were down on Giolito and believed he would never be more than a #3 starter. They also argued Eaton's five year contract made him much more attractive
What's wrong with having a #3 starter who is under your control if you have Scherzer and Strasburg?. Now he'll could be a really good # 5 with the Bosox behind Price, Sale Porcello and Wright. Sox are going to be tough
It's just a philosophical thing for me. Defense is good, offense is better. There's a tipping point - the 2004-06 Yankees being an example of a team whose defense was so bad that it legitimately hurt them despite great hitting - but in general teams that can really hit but are butchers in the field will beat teams with crackerjack fielders who are mediocre hitters.
Eaton's not a mediocre hitter. He's actually quite good. However, if you assume Turner is going to start in CF, that means that the White Sox paid a very steep price for a corner outfielder with only moderate power.
No guarantee Eaton is a plus plus CF, though he is probably above average there. Trea Turner might have developed into a plus plus CF because of the wheels. Maybe not, who knows? But I'm not convinced the defensive improvement of going from Espinoza at SS and Turner in CF to Turner at SS and Eaton in CF is going to be significant, there may not be one at all in the early going (assuming Turner has SOME growing pains as a young SS). Offensively it's an upgrade, but it's a mixed bag. Espinoza hit 24 HRs this year, Eaton is probably going to be in the mid-teens. Eaton is a much better hitter and a much better on-base guy, but he isn't a difference-maker on the bases. So Eaton in that lineup is an upgrade, but if they had a need it was to put a bona fide masher behind Harper and that hasn't happened. My point is, does this offensive improvement and the possible defensive improvement justify that kind of package, especially when you factor in opportunity cost?
defense is just as valuable as a run prevented by pitching or scored via offense. The defensive metrics aren't perfect but they are based off of the premise that Eaton got to an extra X amount of balls per year than the average OF and saved Y amount of runs by doing so which results in Z amount of wins.
I can understand disagreeing with how the defensive over average is calculated but I'm not sure why someone would disagree with the premise that saving runs via defense isn't valuable.
the idea that you could generate these various inputs (range, park factors, performance of adjoining defenders, etc etc) and it would spit out a magic number like runs saved or defensive WAR conjures up images of the engineers in Willie Wonka trying to determine the location of the Golden Ticket. A semi-sentient computer in the basement of Fangraphs is snickering to itself wondering what good but not great OF it can get a nine figure deal for.
the Nats love their deferred $. For an agent who wants to be able to tout a record deal, sure. But when the asking price is at $85-$90 mil, it's certainly not a plus. If they're in on Jansen, he may get a "bigger" offer from the Nats than Chapman got, but it would probably be deferred.
so many anecdotal situations where the numbers just do not align with reality. There is some validity to certain aspects of them and I'm generally a fan of the aggregate numbers (out of zone plays for example tends to be a good indicator of range) but the formulas are taken way too seriously. The inputs into the formulas are far from iron clad, the weighting of the formulas is speculative, and even if all of those factors were perfectly reliable metrics, all encompassing sports stats typically leave out a lot of context (QBR, PFF grades, etc.).
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For Adam Eaton? Is Giolito's arm still attached to his body?
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for Quintana, Frazier and Robertson
for Quintana, Frazier and Robertson
Lol there is no way Chicago accepts that. The Sox are rebuilding why would they want Bruce who is a free agent at the end of the season? Also Robertson has quite a bit of value right now. The Mets would likely need to include Rosario plus.
Then they should have shut the F up about it and hyped him to no end before dealing him. Leaking that he stinks isn't a smart way to do business.
Already said Moncada will start in the minors and play 2B.
Same as it ever was.
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We're saying that some in the Nats front office were down on Giolito and believed he would never be more than a #3 starter. They also argued Eaton's five year contract made him much more attractive
Same as it ever was.
The White Sox GM woke up and just asked himself, well...how did I get here?
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We're saying that some in the Nats front office were down on Giolito and believed he would never be more than a #3 starter. They also argued Eaton's five year contract made him much more attractive
Same as it ever was.
The White Sox GM woke up and just asked himself, well...how did I get here?
Sox may run run run run away with the division.
Would Cespedes under more control be worth three top prospects? I'd have to say Cespedes is worth more if Eaton is worth three.
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We're saying that some in the Nats front office were down on Giolito and believed he would never be more than a #3 starter. They also argued Eaton's five year contract made him much more attractive
Same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was
There were cheaper 2-3 year options, arguably better ones as well. Charlie Blackmon would have been a nice fit, especially with their needs offensively (protection for Harper) and maybe worth that much in the way of prospects. If you had to have a top of the lineup guy, Gardner would have been much cheaper and left the pieces to go get something else you needed.
What's wrong with having a #3 starter who is under your control if you have Scherzer and Strasburg?. Now he'll could be a really good # 5 with the Bosox behind Price, Sale Porcello and Wright. Sox are going to be tough
I felt the same way about Heyward in 2015.
Eaton's not a mediocre hitter. He's actually quite good. However, if you assume Turner is going to start in CF, that means that the White Sox paid a very steep price for a corner outfielder with only moderate power.
I can understand disagreeing with how the defensive over average is calculated but I'm not sure why someone would disagree with the premise that saving runs via defense isn't valuable.
The defensive stats that go into the creation of WAR are speculative. They're guesses. Educated guesses, perhaps, but guesses nonetheless.
The defensive stats that go into the creation of WAR are speculative. They're guesses. Educated guesses, perhaps, but guesses nonetheless.
Yep. I'll tell you who loves it though: Jason Heyward
I won't mind not seeing Espinosa in the lineup, he has decent power but he's 29 and his average sucks.
I wonder if the Nats did this trade so that they have money set aside for that Harper mega deal that he wants.