And I'm very okay with the numbers after all the 92 million talk. Seems like he really wanted to be back here too. I love when players have that desire to play in New York.
So the difference of $6M of someone else's money over 5 years was a deciding factor in your approval?
Where do you get that from? I was hinting at the fact that the 92 million rumors made it seem like his contract could end up even bigger than that if the rumors were true. Seeing 86 as the final number is a relief in comparison. But I guess we can't talk contract numbers and what we feel about them since it's the owners money. Might as well ban all baseball threads during the offseason. Sorry, guys. Time to pack it up.
Where do I get that? You only said "all the 92 million talk." If that was a hint that you were relieved because you felt that that suggested the contract could have been even higher, then I missed it. I read it as you wrote it, which is that you are relieved that the contract is for $86M because the number that had been discussed was $92M.
As for the owners' money portion of it, I'm not actually one of those who typically takes that position, but $1.2M annually over five years is basically a rounding error for the Yankees.
It also moves Betances back to the setup role (where he excels and seems more comfortable), which strengthens two postions
Betances was excellent as a closer until Girardi overused him. However, I have no problem with bringing Chapman back. It's a lot of money, but Chapman keeps himself in phenomenal shape.
Ending up with Torres+ and Chapman for Jagielo, Davis, and Cotham might be Cashman's best move as a GM.
Cashman played it exactly how you should - maximize return on a player to help a contender who has a glut of prospects.
The Cubs got a WS out of it - that was their goal.
The Yanks got prospects and a top end closer for at least 3 years.
Prospects not only provide you with younger talent, they allow you to acquire veteran talent down the road if needed. Cashman has stocked up prospects and is in a position of strength moving forward.
Betances was excellent as a closer until Girardi overused him.
Ending up with Torres+ and Chapman for Jagielo, Davis, and Cotham might be Cashman's best move as a GM.
I'm sorry but it was not Girardi's fault. Betances is just not suited to be a closer. The season is longer than a month. He throws too many pitches and can't be your last line of defense as a closer. Closers need to economize their pitches. When he throws 40 pitches in an outing and you can't use him for 2 days it hamstrings the whole team. He has great stuff and is best used in a set-up role. Thats why this move is so superb along with the personnel moves you pointed out.
He's thrown more innings than any other reliever over the past three seasons, and the only pitchers within 25 innings of his totals are Familia and Carlos Torres.
Betances only has the fastball and that curve/change (whatever
you'd call it) pitch. I'd love it if he added a slider to his repertoire, as that would prevent batters from sitting on his very good (but sometimes wild) fastball.
It also moves Betances back to the setup role (where he excels and seems more comfortable), which strengthens two postions
Betances was excellent as a closer until Girardi overused him. However, I have no problem with bringing Chapman back. It's a lot of money, but Chapman keeps himself in phenomenal shape.
Ending up with Torres+ and Chapman for Jagielo, Davis, and Cotham might be Cashman's best move as a GM.
He had his moments, but I found this on his career stats this morning that suggest his best role is not as the closer:
8th: 1.65 ERA, .476 OPS
9th: 4.29 ERA, .622 OPS
I'm sorry but it was not Girardi's fault. Betances is just not suited to be a closer. The season is longer than a month. He throws too many pitches and can't be your last line of defense as a closer. Closers need to economize their pitches. When he throws 40 pitches in an outing and you can't use him for 2 days it hamstrings the whole team. He has great stuff and is best used in a set-up role. Thats why this move is so superb along with the personnel moves you pointed out.
Girardi used Betances 3 days in a row THREE times after he was made the closer over a span of 5 weeks. Miller and Chapman were used 3 days in a row THREE times combined over the entire season.
Betances' numbers as closer prior to Girardi using him 3 days in a row in September: 15.2 IP, 7 Hits, 25 Ks, 5 BBs, 1 HR, 143/232/245, 0.57 ERA
Betances' numbers as closer after Girardi used him 3 days in a row in September: 7 IP, 12 Hits, 12 Ks, 8 BBs, 1 HR, 333/455/444, 12.86 ERA
The idea that Betances can't close simply is not true. He just can't be beaten like a rented mule.
oh, we're back to the magical 9th inning stuff again
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to be clear, active means 25 man, right? That's a stretch for a 20 year old catcher. An older lefty like Webb can probably hang in the pen for a season but a catcher?
A 20 year old catcher who missed all of 2015, no less
I'm sorry but it was not Girardi's fault. Betances is just not suited to be a closer. The season is longer than a month. He throws too many pitches and can't be your last line of defense as a closer. Closers need to economize their pitches. When he throws 40 pitches in an outing and you can't use him for 2 days it hamstrings the whole team. He has great stuff and is best used in a set-up role. Thats why this move is so superb along with the personnel moves you pointed out.
Girardi used Betances 3 days in a row THREE times after he was made the closer over a span of 5 weeks. Miller and Chapman were used 3 days in a row THREE times combined over the entire season.
Betances' numbers as closer prior to Girardi using him 3 days in a row in September: 15.2 IP, 7 Hits, 25 Ks, 5 BBs, 1 HR, 143/232/245, 0.57 ERA
Betances' numbers as closer after Girardi used him 3 days in a row in September: 7 IP, 12 Hits, 12 Ks, 8 BBs, 1 HR, 333/455/444, 12.86 ERA
The idea that Betances can't close simply is not true. He just can't be beaten like a rented mule.
Don't remember saying Betances can't close. I said and believe he is better in the setup role. Evidently the Yankees brass believes that as well.
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In the Triple-A phase of the Rule 5 draft, RHP Ty Hensley (TB), RHP Kelvin Magallanes (KC), and INF Kevin Cornelius (CHC) were selected
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Brian Cashman says Yankees' heavy lifting is done "unless I trade (Brett) Gardner." Has turned down the offers for Chase Headley.
He's not ready but he has a ton of potential. Torrens was traded to the Padres after the Reds picked him. SDP has the double-whammy of having a shit roster and having a limited prospect pool (bottom 10 farm system despite sucking). Derek Norris is their everyday catcher, they COULD (doesn't mean they will) carry Torrens as a backup more easily than 25 other teams in the league because Norris will catch 110 games for them. Also a real possibility Torrens spends some time on the DL, which could result in the Yanks just cutting bait and agreeing to deal him for a low-level prospect.
Cashman has been so open this offseason it's incredible.
I like the Chapman move. Some are complaining about how the Yankees aren't in a "win now" mode and while that's true, you need to rebuild in parts over a few seasons - you can't just spend all your FA money in one year.
We may be a losing team next 1-2 years, but then in year 3, hopefully they'll be better and the closer role is already taken care of.
RE: RE: A 20 year old catcher who missed all of 2015, no less
He's not ready but he has a ton of potential. Torrens was traded to the Padres after the Reds picked him. SDP has the double-whammy of having a shit roster and having a limited prospect pool (bottom 10 farm system despite sucking). Derek Norris is their everyday catcher, they COULD (doesn't mean they will) carry Torrens as a backup more easily than 25 other teams in the league because Norris will catch 110 games for them. Also a real possibility Torrens spends some time on the DL, which could result in the Yanks just cutting bait and agreeing to deal him for a low-level prospect.
in a worse case scenario where Chapman loses velocity and isn't automatic anymore at the back end of the deal, that's an easy issue to mask if that makes sense.
It isn't like A-rod where he pretty much wastes a bench spot because he can't play the field - Yankees will carry 7-8 relievers so it's easy to just use Chapman less if he declines if that makes sense.
The idea that Betances can't close simply is not true. He just can't be beaten like a rented mule.
Don't remember saying Betances can't close. I said and believe he is better in the setup role. Evidently the Yankees brass believes that as well.
"Betances is just not suited to be a closer". I'm not sure how that can be interpreted differently.
I think the Yankees like Chapman and they also think Betances is more valuable when you can use him anytime for multiple innings (like the Indians did with Andrew Miller). I don't think re-signing Chapman is an indictment of their feelings about Betances' ability to close. Was trading for Chapman in the first place an indictment of Andrew Miller's ability to close? Of course not.
Bryan Hoch @BryanHoch 1m1 minute ago
Brian Cashman says Yankees' heavy lifting is done "unless I trade (Brett) Gardner." Has turned down the offers for Chase Headley.
The offers were probably Headley for a 2 piece meal from Popeye's with the Yankees paying 75% of the contract. The more I think about it... I think Cash is lying about getting offers.
but no third base prospects on the farm are pushing him out the door, so I guess we can live with him. Seems like Cashman finally has ownership on board with a logical, 21st century rebuild, and it's great to see. Closer was the big ticket item to get this offseason, and a one-year commitment to a DH was ideal. So far so good. I'm kinda hoping we deal Gardner, but it's not a must.
but no third base prospects on the farm are pushing him out the door, so I guess we can live with him. Seems like Cashman finally has ownership on board with a logical, 21st century rebuild, and it's great to see. Closer was the big ticket item to get this offseason, and a one-year commitment to a DH was ideal. So far so good. I'm kinda hoping we deal Gardner, but it's not a must.
For this year. Andujar has a chance & this season will be big in his development.
This offseason will be an overwelming success if Cashman manages to trade Headley and Gardner, even for below market value, although I don't know such a thing exists for Headley. The youngsters need AB's.
And don't give out any big contracts. That's all I ask.
The idea that Betances can't close simply is not true. He just can't be beaten like a rented mule.
Don't remember saying Betances can't close. I said and believe he is better in the setup role. Evidently the Yankees brass believes that as well.
"Betances is just not suited to be a closer". I'm not sure how that can be interpreted differently.
I think the Yankees like Chapman and they also think Betances is more valuable when you can use him anytime for multiple innings (like the Indians did with Andrew Miller). I don't think re-signing Chapman is an indictment of their feelings about c' ability to close. Was trading for Chapman in the first place an indictment of Andrew Miller's ability to close? Of course not.
Apologies, thought you were directing that at my comment, didn't see where Stu has posted that. My comment was that Betances is "better suited for the setup role"
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And I'm very okay with the numbers after all the 92 million talk. Seems like he really wanted to be back here too. I love when players have that desire to play in New York.
So the difference of $6M of someone else's money over 5 years was a deciding factor in your approval?
Where do you get that from? I was hinting at the fact that the 92 million rumors made it seem like his contract could end up even bigger than that if the rumors were true. Seeing 86 as the final number is a relief in comparison. But I guess we can't talk contract numbers and what we feel about them since it's the owners money. Might as well ban all baseball threads during the offseason. Sorry, guys. Time to pack it up.
Where do I get that? You only said "all the 92 million talk." If that was a hint that you were relieved because you felt that that suggested the contract could have been even higher, then I missed it. I read it as you wrote it, which is that you are relieved that the contract is for $86M because the number that had been discussed was $92M.
As for the owners' money portion of it, I'm not actually one of those who typically takes that position, but $1.2M annually over five years is basically a rounding error for the Yankees.
-Castro
-Chapman
-Warren
-Torres
-McKinney
-Crawford
...and the Cubs got (and cut) Brendan Ryan.
Don't forget that the Cubs dumped Castro in order to play Baez every day, which I kind of think worked out for them as well.
supposedly hell be 33 who really knows
Betances was excellent as a closer until Girardi overused him. However, I have no problem with bringing Chapman back. It's a lot of money, but Chapman keeps himself in phenomenal shape.
Ending up with Torres+ and Chapman for Jagielo, Davis, and Cotham might be Cashman's best move as a GM.
The Cubs got a WS out of it - that was their goal.
The Yanks got prospects and a top end closer for at least 3 years.
Prospects not only provide you with younger talent, they allow you to acquire veteran talent down the road if needed. Cashman has stocked up prospects and is in a position of strength moving forward.
Betances was excellent as a closer until Girardi overused him.
Ending up with Torres+ and Chapman for Jagielo, Davis, and Cotham might be Cashman's best move as a GM.
I'm sorry but it was not Girardi's fault. Betances is just not suited to be a closer. The season is longer than a month. He throws too many pitches and can't be your last line of defense as a closer. Closers need to economize their pitches. When he throws 40 pitches in an outing and you can't use him for 2 days it hamstrings the whole team. He has great stuff and is best used in a set-up role. Thats why this move is so superb along with the personnel moves you pointed out.
2018 will be our year.
-Castro
-Chapman
-Warren
-Torres
-McKinney
-Crawford
...and the Cubs got (and cut) Brendan Ryan.
and their first WS in 108 years.
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It also moves Betances back to the setup role (where he excels and seems more comfortable), which strengthens two postions
Betances was excellent as a closer until Girardi overused him. However, I have no problem with bringing Chapman back. It's a lot of money, but Chapman keeps himself in phenomenal shape.
Ending up with Torres+ and Chapman for Jagielo, Davis, and Cotham might be Cashman's best move as a GM.
8th: 1.65 ERA, .476 OPS
9th: 4.29 ERA, .622 OPS
I'm sorry but it was not Girardi's fault. Betances is just not suited to be a closer. The season is longer than a month. He throws too many pitches and can't be your last line of defense as a closer. Closers need to economize their pitches. When he throws 40 pitches in an outing and you can't use him for 2 days it hamstrings the whole team. He has great stuff and is best used in a set-up role. Thats why this move is so superb along with the personnel moves you pointed out.
Girardi used Betances 3 days in a row THREE times after he was made the closer over a span of 5 weeks. Miller and Chapman were used 3 days in a row THREE times combined over the entire season.
Betances' numbers as closer prior to Girardi using him 3 days in a row in September: 15.2 IP, 7 Hits, 25 Ks, 5 BBs, 1 HR, 143/232/245, 0.57 ERA
Betances' numbers as closer after Girardi used him 3 days in a row in September: 7 IP, 12 Hits, 12 Ks, 8 BBs, 1 HR, 333/455/444, 12.86 ERA
The idea that Betances can't close simply is not true. He just can't be beaten like a rented mule.
The downside of having a stocked farm system
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to be clear, active means 25 man, right? That's a stretch for a 20 year old catcher. An older lefty like Webb can probably hang in the pen for a season but a catcher?
Cashman has done a great job this last year.
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I'm sorry but it was not Girardi's fault. Betances is just not suited to be a closer. The season is longer than a month. He throws too many pitches and can't be your last line of defense as a closer. Closers need to economize their pitches. When he throws 40 pitches in an outing and you can't use him for 2 days it hamstrings the whole team. He has great stuff and is best used in a set-up role. Thats why this move is so superb along with the personnel moves you pointed out.
Girardi used Betances 3 days in a row THREE times after he was made the closer over a span of 5 weeks. Miller and Chapman were used 3 days in a row THREE times combined over the entire season.
Betances' numbers as closer prior to Girardi using him 3 days in a row in September: 15.2 IP, 7 Hits, 25 Ks, 5 BBs, 1 HR, 143/232/245, 0.57 ERA
Betances' numbers as closer after Girardi used him 3 days in a row in September: 7 IP, 12 Hits, 12 Ks, 8 BBs, 1 HR, 333/455/444, 12.86 ERA
The idea that Betances can't close simply is not true. He just can't be beaten like a rented mule.
In the Triple-A phase of the Rule 5 draft, RHP Ty Hensley (TB), RHP Kelvin Magallanes (KC), and INF Kevin Cornelius (CHC) were selected
Brian Cashman says Yankees' heavy lifting is done "unless I trade (Brett) Gardner." Has turned down the offers for Chase Headley.
He's not ready but he has a ton of potential. Torrens was traded to the Padres after the Reds picked him. SDP has the double-whammy of having a shit roster and having a limited prospect pool (bottom 10 farm system despite sucking). Derek Norris is their everyday catcher, they COULD (doesn't mean they will) carry Torrens as a backup more easily than 25 other teams in the league because Norris will catch 110 games for them. Also a real possibility Torrens spends some time on the DL, which could result in the Yanks just cutting bait and agreeing to deal him for a low-level prospect.
I like the Chapman move. Some are complaining about how the Yankees aren't in a "win now" mode and while that's true, you need to rebuild in parts over a few seasons - you can't just spend all your FA money in one year.
We may be a losing team next 1-2 years, but then in year 3, hopefully they'll be better and the closer role is already taken care of.
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He's nowhere near ready.
He's not ready but he has a ton of potential. Torrens was traded to the Padres after the Reds picked him. SDP has the double-whammy of having a shit roster and having a limited prospect pool (bottom 10 farm system despite sucking). Derek Norris is their everyday catcher, they COULD (doesn't mean they will) carry Torrens as a backup more easily than 25 other teams in the league because Norris will catch 110 games for them. Also a real possibility Torrens spends some time on the DL, which could result in the Yanks just cutting bait and agreeing to deal him for a low-level prospect.
Norris was traded to the Nationals
It isn't like A-rod where he pretty much wastes a bench spot because he can't play the field - Yankees will carry 7-8 relievers so it's easy to just use Chapman less if he declines if that makes sense.
The idea that Betances can't close simply is not true. He just can't be beaten like a rented mule.
Don't remember saying Betances can't close. I said and believe he is better in the setup role. Evidently the Yankees brass believes that as well.
"Betances is just not suited to be a closer". I'm not sure how that can be interpreted differently.
I think the Yankees like Chapman and they also think Betances is more valuable when you can use him anytime for multiple innings (like the Indians did with Andrew Miller). I don't think re-signing Chapman is an indictment of their feelings about Betances' ability to close. Was trading for Chapman in the first place an indictment of Andrew Miller's ability to close? Of course not.
Brian Cashman says Yankees' heavy lifting is done "unless I trade (Brett) Gardner." Has turned down the offers for Chase Headley.
The offers were probably Headley for a 2 piece meal from Popeye's with the Yankees paying 75% of the contract. The more I think about it... I think Cash is lying about getting offers.
For this year. Andujar has a chance & this season will be big in his development.
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and their first WS in 108 years.
Which Chapman almost blew when he came in the 7th game.
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and their first WS in 108 years.
Which Chapman almost blew when he came in the 7th game.
Maddon almost blew game 7
And don't give out any big contracts. That's all I ask.
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and their first WS in 108 years.
Which Chapman almost blew when he came in the 7th game.
He almost blew it because he was gassed from having been wasted for 3 innings the day before in a blowout win.
We will see what kind of prospect Donnie Sands is, but other than him and a few of the Latin American kids there is not much below Higgy.
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Betances is just not suited to be a closer.
The idea that Betances can't close simply is not true. He just can't be beaten like a rented mule.
Don't remember saying Betances can't close. I said and believe he is better in the setup role. Evidently the Yankees brass believes that as well.
"Betances is just not suited to be a closer". I'm not sure how that can be interpreted differently.
I think the Yankees like Chapman and they also think Betances is more valuable when you can use him anytime for multiple innings (like the Indians did with Andrew Miller). I don't think re-signing Chapman is an indictment of their feelings about c' ability to close. Was trading for Chapman in the first place an indictment of Andrew Miller's ability to close? Of course not.
Well, the good news is that if there is a position I feel confident the Yanks can identify and develop someone, it's catcher.