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There is clearly a racist undertone to a substantial part of the president elects base. The platform included banning people based on religion, deportation forces, racist accusations and minimal denouncement of racist behaviour in his name. It is a part of why he was elected.

I get some of the other reasons that probably the majority of his supporters voted for him. But for Christ's sake own the shit. Are a significant number of his supporters racist? Clearly because that was a significant part of his platform. So if you didnt vote for him based on racist ideals, at least own that it was a significant part of what got him elected and is a significant part of his base.

Again, the mans own words spoke for themselves.

Certainly indicates he intends to keep that part of his base and will likely not spend much time in repdulating the nonsense

for political scientists. It is clear evidence of why the election came-out the way it did. There is a lack of critical thinking about alternate opinions and a lack of tolerance from the very same people who claim to have seized that high ground.

When you call someone a racist or Hitler, game over. You won't get any rational discussion. On BBI get a tidal wave of idiotic links to opinion journalists who blather the same intolerance.

In comment 13256751 BamaBlue said:

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for political scientists. It is clear evidence of why the election came-out the way it did. There is a lack of critical thinking about alternate opinions and a lack of tolerance from the very same people who claim to have seized that high ground. When you call someone a racist or Hitler, game over. You won't get any rational discussion. On BBI get a tidal wave of idiotic links to opinion journalists who blather the same intolerance.

No one on this thread was called a racist - what are you referring to?

In comment 13256725 PA Giant Fan said:

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There is clearly a racist undertone to a substantial part of the president elects base. The platform included banning people based on religion, deportation forces, racist accusations and minimal denouncement of racist behaviour in his name. It is a part of why he was elected. I get some of the other reasons that probably the majority of his supporters voted for him. But for Christ's sake own the shit. Are a significant number of his supporters racist? Clearly because that was a significant part of his platform. So if you didnt vote for him based on racist ideals, at least own that it was a significant part of what got him elected and is a significant part of his base. Again, the mans own words spoke for themselves.

I certainly don't want to be characterized as a racist, but still...when it comes to bannings, I absolutely think that your name should top the list. But it has less to do with where you are from as opposed to your inability to follow a fairly simple rule here.

In comment 13256901 eclipz928 said:

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In comment 13256751 BamaBlue said: Quote: for political scientists. It is clear evidence of why the election came-out the way it did. There is a lack of critical thinking about alternate opinions and a lack of tolerance from the very same people who claim to have seized that high ground. When you call someone a racist or Hitler, game over. You won't get any rational discussion. On BBI get a tidal wave of idiotic links to opinion journalists who blather the same intolerance. No one on this thread was called a racist - what are you referring to?

Considering that someone said that the majority of people who voted for Trump are racists, and I think that simple logic would indicate that some portion of BBIers voted for Trump, well...

Just some old white guy afraid of the roving bands of violent black youth engaging in the knockout the old white guy game...

I bet they and Disney are involved in that pizzeria child sex ring too.

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In comment 13256306 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: Moonachie. Home of LT's former restaurant! I thought that was Hasbrouck Heights or Wood Ridge. Rt 17 doesn't go through Moonachie, though it comes close.

I think LT's was officially Carlstadt/E. Rutherford. It was only a couple of minutes away from the old Rutherford House, which was right on the border.

In comment 13256912 Bill L said:

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In comment 13256901 eclipz928 said: Quote: In comment 13256751 BamaBlue said: Quote: for political scientists. It is clear evidence of why the election came-out the way it did. There is a lack of critical thinking about alternate opinions and a lack of tolerance from the very same people who claim to have seized that high ground. When you call someone a racist or Hitler, game over. You won't get any rational discussion. On BBI get a tidal wave of idiotic links to opinion journalists who blather the same intolerance. No one on this thread was called a racist - what are you referring to? Considering that someone said that the majority of people who voted for Trump are racists, and I think that simple logic would indicate that some portion of BBIers voted for Trump, well...

BBI doesn't have any racist trump voters? If it's not a majority, what percentage of Trump voters being racist is more accurate, in your estimation? There's without question portion of his base that are openly racist and white supremacists. Those folks are really excited about how this election turned out. They were far more excited about Trump than other candidates that preceded him. Why is that, if it's not that his campaign spoke to the racism that is near and dear to their hearts?

It's a strange paradox that a lot of the folks who are against political correctness also don't like it when people are called racists.

Except what you claimed never happened but is indicative of the problem. Again fact free zones

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It's a strange paradox that a lot of the folks who are against political correctness also don't like it when people are called racists.

And with that, this happens...
It's not only happening in NY/NJ! - ( New Window )

My brother went to Wesleyan and there was a rash of racist graffiti one year. The school put cameras up and it turned out it was black students doing it.

In comment 13256912 Bill L said:

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In comment 13256901 eclipz928 said: Quote: In comment 13256751 BamaBlue said: Quote: for political scientists. It is clear evidence of why the election came-out the way it did. There is a lack of critical thinking about alternate opinions and a lack of tolerance from the very same people who claim to have seized that high ground. When you call someone a racist or Hitler, game over. You won't get any rational discussion. On BBI get a tidal wave of idiotic links to opinion journalists who blather the same intolerance. No one on this thread was called a racist - what are you referring to? Considering that someone said that the majority of people who voted for Trump are racists, and I think that simple logic would indicate that some portion of BBIers voted for Trump, well...

Obviously it's impossible to know what's in the hearts and minds of all 63 million people who voted for Trump, and the suggestion that a majority of them are racist is just conjecture if not hyperbole.

But it's certainly also intellectually dishonest to not acknowledge the alarming amount of openly racist people that have been galvanized specifically by his campaign.

If youre someone who can't accept both of these things then it's not likely you'll be able to add anything of meaning to the conversation.

and that both sides contained them. I am not sure that you can define everyone based upon those minor subsets. Or does that argument only apply to when we talk about terrorists?

Specifically with respect to Trump voters, I wonder when and why all those counties with all those people who went overwhelmingly for a black president four years ago became racist.

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Except what you claimed never happened but is indicative of the problem. Again fact free zones

It's a mystery to me as to why you're still able to log into here. The mods are slipping.

Relax. I am not doing or posting anything different then anyone else including yourself. A giants player was involved. Another Giants player noted the environment that the pres elect created. We have been having a nice discussion.

Its a serious problem. and it has been fed and groomed by politics. So many things touch politics. Did you post things that werent true? Yes you did. So why not own up to those instead of worrying about who the rules should apply to and when and under what circumstances

You have posted as much as I did and all about politics. Did your argument lose and was it not based on facts? Yes it was. So is that what you are left with? Trying to get me banned because you lost your arguments?

There is more vitriol on Knicks threads. Relax

I am not trying to get you banned; I'm just mystified that you have not been. If you scroll through the thread, you will see that you are the first person to directly talk about politics here. Until that point, others at least had the presence of mind to make oblique references. And, tbh, this is not the first or second or third thread in which you have done so.

Please stop. Here is your quote

"Considering that someone said that the majority of people who voted for Trump are racists, and I think that simple logic would indicate that some portion of BBIers voted for Trump, well..."

Who exactly said that the majority of people who voted for Trump are racists?

Again, just own it already. You are agitating to cause a fight if nothing else. You want to debate who was oblique and who the rules apply to? Did you ready anything that you wrote here?

From the Daily News

"t's his own fault that he and his wife and two children returned to a house that had "Trump" scribbled on one wall and "KKK" and "Go back to Africa" on others. It's Whitlock's own fault, he says, that he became another victim of the wave of hate crimes that's followed Donald Trump's presidential election victory."

You are trying to separate the issue from the actual issue
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and find the demarcation line between oblique and overt.

Exactly. You just proved my point and perhaps the much larger one where people believe what they want to believe, damn the facts, or definitions of words.

When did substantial part become a majority? Is it 10%? 20% 30%..

To me in terms of racism, any of those numbers are substantial. You see how you turned "substantial" into majority? You do understand that they don't mean the same thing..right? Or are you just trolling me now?

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Exactly. You just proved my point and perhaps the much larger one where people believe what they want to believe, damn the facts, or definitions of words. When did substantial part become a majority? Is it 10%? 20% 30%.. To me in terms of racism, any of those numbers are substantial. You see how you turned "substantial" into majority? You do understand that they don't mean the same thing..right? Or are you just trolling me now?

So define substantial then.I've already said that both contain despicable people who voted. you tell me the percentage.

sub·stan·tial
səbˈstan(t)SHəl/
adjective
1.
of considerable importance, size, or worth

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sub·stan·tial sÉ™bˈstan(t)SHÉ™l/ adjective 1. of considerable importance, size, or worth

SO, what is that size. What percentage of Americans are you calling racists?

I don't know what the number is. Its very difficult because a lot of people you wouldnt think are racist, you find out are. Seems more are willing and feel able to be more out in the open now. And there are different types of racism. Some are institutional which will likely get worse under the incoming administration.

I worry about those that have fought hard to get on equal footing will be forced to take a step back. I worry about hatred towards anyone and a president elect that clearly made a platform with racism as one of it's pillars. Some of it is so against un American it scares me.

You ever wonder how people could commit the Holocaust or similar? How regular everyday people could decide to hate others so much as to end up trying to exterminate them? I no longer wonder about it. I can see it now. And that is scary to me.

You want to throw up in your mouth a little? Read the comments sections on any articles on MSN or similar regarding the president elect.

This Whitlock item is just a tiny example. The Somali Congresswoman was just harassed by a cab driver. Check out that article.

and I dispute that he made "a platforms with racism as one of his pillars".

Most of the people seem more worried about parsing over words like "substantial", and "uptick" rather than actually have an honest and open discussion about how ugly things are. Pointing out that both sides have shitty people is just cowardly deflection, and just stubbornness about wanting to have a courageous conversation about where we are currently at.

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and I dispute that he made "a platforms with racism as one of his pillars".

The larger issue is that he gets public endorsements from the likes of David Duke, and never nipped that in the bud. Staying silent is a tacit manner of accepting it, and further emboldens the crazies that were drawn in by the rhetoric surrounding immigration, terrorism, etc.

Banning people based on religion
Mexican Judge could not be impartial because he was Mexican
Endorsing stop and Frisk
Ignoring and taking the police side 100% in the issues with minorities and Police
Killing family members of Muslim Terrorists
Taking away rights of people born here
Deportation force in place to round up millions of people to deport
Saying Mexicans are mostly criminals and racists "Some are good people"

You think this rhetoric had no effect on his supporters?

I wrote, or too obtuse to admit his characterization of what I said isn't accurate. But keep holding on to your "old White guy " rant.

P.S.
Sorry Ronnie...

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Banning people based on religion Mexican Judge could not be impartial because he was Mexican Endorsing stop and Frisk Ignoring and taking the police side 100% in the issues with minorities and Police Killing family members of Muslim Terrorists Taking away rights of people born here Deportation force in place to round up millions of people to deport Saying Mexicans are mostly criminals and racists "Some are good people" You think this rhetoric had no effect on his supporters?

Sure he did... sure he did. I'm not putting on those Nike's...

In comment 13257178 BamaBlue said:

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In comment 13257168 PA Giant Fan said: Quote: Banning people based on religion Mexican Judge could not be impartial because he was Mexican Endorsing stop and Frisk Ignoring and taking the police side 100% in the issues with minorities and Police Killing family members of Muslim Terrorists Taking away rights of people born here Deportation force in place to round up millions of people to deport Saying Mexicans are mostly criminals and racists "Some are good people" You think this rhetoric had no effect on his supporters? Sure he did... sure he did. I'm not putting on those Nike's...

Nikita Whitlock has to deal with getting his home broken into and finding hateful messages. Glad you seem to think this is funny, while you flipped your shit at a Ginger reference a while back.

lol

Some classic shit here, fellas. Classic. Well done.

Carry on.

Are you saying that these items were not accurate? Your answer will be fascinating

minorities have to go through on a daily basis.

In comment 13257174 Crispino said:

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I wrote, or too obtuse to admit his characterization of what I said isn't accurate. But keep holding on to your "old White guy " rant.

I come here for the lulz. I wasn't disappointed. Much obliged

What I think and was bolstered by the poll I lined early in this discussion is that people only hear what they want to hear. Facts no longer mean anything. Everything in my list is easily substantiated and if you lived in a swing state you know them to be true.

Had a conversation with my Dad who voted for Trump but lived in TN now and noted how he mocked a disabled reported. My Dad didn’t believe me. It never happened.

What the fear is that if no one is listening to each other anymore and it is mostly one sided. There are studies that mostly confirm this to some degree, then what are we left with. Unfortunately, the oppressed, the minorities and those that support them eventually force themselves to be heard. And that is a lot of pain for everyone.

I have never been one to think that something really bad is going to happen or if I don’t get things my way then all hell will break lose. However, this feels very different to me. Facts don’t matter and ignorance prevails. Intellectual curiosity is dead.

Compassion is fake and logic doesn’t matter

Glad to hear it. Smarmy douche, eh?

is that the folks that pretend there isn't an uptick in emboldened crazies mostly live in a nice cocoon, where they are very much insulated from what kind of problems minorities have to deal with on a daily basis. It's very easy to pretend something doesn't exist when you don't have to really face it yourself.

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is that the folks that pretend there isn't an uptick in emboldened crazies mostly live in a nice cocoon, where they are very much insulated from what kind of problems minorities have to deal with on a daily basis. It's very easy to pretend something doesn't exist when you don't have to really face it yourself.

no offense David, but growing up Asian in the new millennium California doesn't put you in a position to know what sort of insulation that someone growing up Asian in bumfuck New England of the '60's had. Not that it compares with others but it certainly takes you out of position to make blanket statements about the faceless here.

I understand it to some extent. People are tired, have their own problems, trouble making ends meet. Hustle to get by. They work hard so its someone elses problem.

The president elect had several items that would simply void any one elses chances. People didn't care. They want to believe what they want to believe. That is my conclusion. Most of the people I know voted for Trump. Most arent racist....I dont think. But some are. I think the hatred of Hillary was an excuse to look the other way.

If all those brown and black people would just act right...they would have no issues with the police

If those Muslims would just tell eachother to stop it and stop the bad Muslims so its all their fault. Takes no work on their part.

If those Mexicans would stop taking all of our jobs and using all our resources and voting illegally.

None of these positions bear any weight under factual scrutiny but it doesnt matter.

In comment 13257224 Bill L said:

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In comment 13257221 David in LA said: Quote: is that the folks that pretend there isn't an uptick in emboldened crazies mostly live in a nice cocoon, where they are very much insulated from what kind of problems minorities have to deal with on a daily basis. It's very easy to pretend something doesn't exist when you don't have to really face it yourself. no offense David, but growing up Asian in the new millennium California doesn't put you in a position to know what sort of insulation that someone growing up Asian in bumfuck New England of the '60's had. Not that it compares with others but it certainly takes you out of position to make blanket statements about the faceless here.

You likely have not experienced "new millennium California". There's a major housing crisis going on, and more homeless than ever wandering the streets. Skid Row is the most despondent neighborhood in America, and it is just blocks away from the Jewelry District. LAPD has a laundry list of corruption and lack of transparency. There's also Orange County which is rife with white supremacists. Have you been in a car with a black driver and see how hostile the some LEO's might get? Unless you experience it up close, you'll probably never really empathize with those that have to suffer daily, and be more careful than non-minorities.

I have been in LA for almost 10 years. Was born in Torrance, grew up in Bayside Queens, and went to college in Rochester. I'm speaking from my observations of my friends across the country. People from Western, NY likely won't be so sympathetic to what other people might have issues with, because the demographics and local hot buttons are much different.

and Tommy saw the video of thousands of Muslims on rooftops celebrating after 9/11

is the reason PA should be banned according to Bill because he feels like PA is calling him or others on this site racist? Is that what would ban him? For example if I called Bill racist would that get me banned? Just asking not actually saying that.

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Glad you seem to think this is funny, while you flipped your shit at a Ginger reference a while back.

Getting irate at the ginger stuff was a classic thread!!

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SO, what is that size. What percentage of Americans are you calling racists?

It's between 42-51% of the contingent PA is referring to (depending on the month)

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the number who say it is true Obama was born in the US rose from 49% to 58%.

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Up to 60% of the primary vote:

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According to analysis by Philip Klinkner of Hamilton College, the most accurate way to pick a Trump supporter is to ask him whether he thinks Mr Obama is a Muslim. A belief that he is—a common proxy for hostility to the first black president—was held by around 60% of Mr Trump’s primary supporters.

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A stark & disturbing ugly panorama in our own country. Never forget how he burst onto the recent political scene in 2011 (which the press regrettably could/would not stop covering). It was an extremely deliberate & cynical appeal to that lamentable huge portion of the American public. Doubtful he ever really believed it himself but, like a vet shark at a poker table, he knew how to brilliantly play those whose support he needed for what was the begin in 2015.