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| Whitlock, 25, who has spent the entire season on injured reserve, came home to a graffiti swastika, according to CBS New York, as well as “KKK” and “Go back to Africa” messages scrawled on the walls inside his Moonachie home. “It just re-establishes that no matter where you are, no matter who you are, this can happen to you,” Whitlock told CBS New York |
Too bad Nikita didn't catch those cowards in the act.
I think I would be moving again if I were him.
I know almost squat about NJ, but isn't it in Bergen County, which I thought was a pretty expensive/nice place to live?
Not implying that shit like this doesn't happen in places like that, just that you'd think it'd be harder to get away with it.
Sort of shocking how recent events have emboldened people to do this kind of thing.
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Just really shocking.
I know almost squat about NJ, but isn't it in Bergen County, which I thought was a pretty expensive/nice place to live?
Not implying that shit like this doesn't happen in places like that, just that you'd think it'd be harder to get away with it.
It is in Bergen County but Moonachie is right next to the stadium and is very sparsely populated compared to the rest of the County - it is mostly industrial. If you've ever driven the back roads by Manny's to the stadium, you know what I mean.
Or the trailer park...seriously, there is actually a trailer park in Moonachie.
For some reason.
Correct. My first thought is what's a guy making 425k per year doing in Moonachie? Anyway, a scumbag neighbor or kids, quite possibly a single family, is probably responsible. A surveillance camera (or moving van) seems appropriate. Love to see the assholes in court.
The idea that people are "emboldened" to do this based on current events is feeding into the propaganda that somehow hate crimes are rising
Its like relying on PFF for ranking players.
Subjective.
Who knows who could have done this? I havent seen many neo nazi hate groups roaming the streets of Moonachie.
Either way - whoever did this is a piece of shit and should have his legs broken to never walk again
On the topic at hand, these people are equally fucked up.
On another note, southern poverty law center, not a credible source as pointed out by FMiC
The idea that people are "emboldened" to do this based on current events is feeding into the propaganda that somehow hate crimes are rising
Do a little research, Fats. Hate crimes/attacks on Muslims have gone up and if you can't figure out what might contribute to that, not much else that can be said.
Have you not seen some of these videos of people in public who feel so emboldened because of current events?
Are you serious with this shit. Videos?
I'm pretty sure the "current events" remark is regarding the political scene, and there is not a tie to attacks on Muslims and "current events". You know when attacks on Muslims rose? Post 9/11. And then they dipped and they've stayed at the same level pretty much since.
But I guess I'm looking at the wrong research. Can you direct me to a biased, pro-hate site so I can "learn" the "real" stats?
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it?
U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
So if there were 200 attacks in 2015, 2016 would see 212? Damn - it is like people are taking to the street in white hoods and gathering up all the people different from them, no?
Even from the article:
“We need to do a better job of tracking and reporting hate crime to fully understand what is happening in our communities and how to stop it,” James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director, said Monday. The F.B.I. regards the prosecution of hate crimes under federal jurisdiction as the top priority of its civil rights branch.
Since the election, hate crime monitors like the Southern Poverty Law Center have reported a rash of verbal or physical abuse targeting minorities and others at schools, mosques and elsewhere.
Another plug for the Southern Poverty Law Center.
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Who cares?
So if there were 200 attacks in 2015, 2016 would see 212? Damn - it is like people are taking to the street in white hoods and gathering up all the people different from them, no?
Even from the article:
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Law enforcement officials acknowledge that the statistics give an incomplete picture because many local agencies still have a spotty record of reporting hate crimes, 26 years after Congress directed the Justice Department to begin collecting the data.
“We need to do a better job of tracking and reporting hate crime to fully understand what is happening in our communities and how to stop it,” James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director, said Monday. The F.B.I. regards the prosecution of hate crimes under federal jurisdiction as the top priority of its civil rights branch.
Since the election, hate crime monitors like the Southern Poverty Law Center have reported a rash of verbal or physical abuse targeting minorities and others at schools, mosques and elsewhere.
Another plug for the Southern Poverty Law Center.
"Attacks against Muslim Americans saw the biggest surge. There were 257 reports of assaults, attacks on mosques and other hate crimes against Muslims last year, a jump of about 67 percent over 2014. It was the highest total since 2001, when more than 480 attacks occurred in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks."
6% was the overall number, driven by the spike of crimes against muslims which increased by 67%.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
What is the uptick since Ferguson??? If you want to talk about inciting violence, you might want to start there.
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Here's a NYT article (go ahead and skewer that) talking about it, from November.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
What is the uptick since Ferguson??? If you want to talk about inciting violence, you might want to start there.
Great point, lets sweep all this under the rug because black people are committing acts of violence as well?
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That's a surge?
So if there were 200 attacks in 2015, 2016 would see 212? Damn - it is like people are taking to the street in white hoods and gathering up all the people different from them, no?
Even from the article:
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Law enforcement officials acknowledge that the statistics give an incomplete picture because many local agencies still have a spotty record of reporting hate crimes, 26 years after Congress directed the Justice Department to begin collecting the data.
“We need to do a better job of tracking and reporting hate crime to fully understand what is happening in our communities and how to stop it,” James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director, said Monday. The F.B.I. regards the prosecution of hate crimes under federal jurisdiction as the top priority of its civil rights branch.
Since the election, hate crime monitors like the Southern Poverty Law Center have reported a rash of verbal or physical abuse targeting minorities and others at schools, mosques and elsewhere.
Another plug for the Southern Poverty Law Center.
"Attacks against Muslim Americans saw the biggest surge. There were 257 reports of assaults, attacks on mosques and other hate crimes against Muslims last year, a jump of about 67 percent over 2014. It was the highest total since 2001, when more than 480 attacks occurred in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks."
6% was the overall number, driven by the spike of crimes against muslims which increased by 67%.
This actually disproves the theory that this particular crime is a part of the surge in hate crimes. The vast majority of the 6% increase is incidents against Muslims rendering the small increase targeting black Americans statistically insignificant.
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Here's a NYT article (go ahead and skewer that) talking about it, from November.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
What is the uptick since Ferguson??? If you want to talk about inciting violence, you might want to start there.
Great point, lets sweep all this under the rug because black people are committing acts of violence as well?
It is action and re-action. You want to blame an election, but the uptick in violence really started in Ferguson - or it became fashionable by the media to report every transgression. I'm not blaming any ethnic group, like you are. Ferguson was a volcano waiting to erupt because of real abuses and once it started, it spread. Each new incident spawns more incidents. Creeps of all shapes and sizes crawl out from under rocks when they see an opportunity.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
Who defines which crimes are a "hate crime" vs just someone committing a crime and the target just happens to be a minority.
How many times have we seen crimes be labeled that way when in reality, the crime would have been committed regardless as to who the victim was.
Remember the knockout game? Youths just walking up to people punching them in the face unprovoked? When a white person was targeted I did not hear anyone say those were hate crimes. Why? Because they weren't. It was just some fucked up kids who were looking for a weak target (one who would not retaliate) no matter what the race. Meanwhile, if it was a white kid doing it and the target was a minority, you KNOW in today's environment that would be labeled as a hate crime.
So back to the statistic. Who decides whether HATE CRIMES have climbed by 6%. Even more.. who decides whether the reason for the crime was hate towards the minority?
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Here's a NYT article (go ahead and skewer that) talking about it, from November.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
What is the uptick since Ferguson??? If you want to talk about inciting violence, you might want to start there.
Great point, lets sweep all this under the rug because black people are committing acts of violence as well?
It is action and re-action. You want to blame an election, but the uptick in violence really started in Ferguson - or it became fashionable by the media to report every transgression. I'm not blaming any ethnic group, like you are. Ferguson was a volcano waiting to erupt because of real abuses and once it started, it spread. Each new incident spawns more incidents. Creeps of all shapes and sizes crawl out from under rocks when they see an opportunity.
I'm not talking about an uptick in violence in general. I'm talk about hate crimes specifically and mostly anti-Muslim hate crimes and I don't think Ferguson has very much to do with that.
Hate crimes have gone up - YoY, more than usual. This is unacceptable, whether you call it a surge, an uptick, an increase. Hate crimes should be going down, not up, and rises point toward underlying social dynamics that are worsening.
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Here's a NYT article (go ahead and skewer that) talking about it, from November.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
Who defines which crimes are a "hate crime" vs just someone committing a crime and the target just happens to be a minority.
How many times have we seen crimes be labeled that way when in reality, the crime would have been committed regardless as to who the victim was.
Remember the knockout game? Youths just walking up to people punching them in the face unprovoked? When a white person was targeted I did not hear anyone say those were hate crimes. Why? Because they weren't. It was just some fucked up kids who were looking for a weak target (one who would not retaliate) no matter what the race. Meanwhile, if it was a white kid doing it and the target was a minority, you KNOW in today's environment that would be labeled as a hate crime.
So back to the statistic. Who decides whether HATE CRIMES have climbed by 6%. Even more.. who decides whether the reason for the crime was hate towards the minority?
Well in the NYT article, it specifically states that attacks against American Muslims surged according to FBI data. The FBI defines a hate crime as such:
"A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties."
Hate crimes have gone up - YoY, more than usual. This is unacceptable, whether you call it a surge, an uptick, an increase. Hate crimes should be going down, not up, and rises point toward underlying social dynamics that are worsening.
There is no way to take this conversation to where it really needs to go without making it political. It would be like discussing what is wrong with the Giants with the caveat that you cannot mention McAdoo and the play calling. How can you have the conversation?
Well in the NYT article, it specifically states that attacks against American Muslims surged according to FBI data. The FBI defines a hate crime as such:
"A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties."
ok Thanks Giantology. So, the FBI decides whether hate was THE motive. I am on the fence as to whether I would like to rely on the FBI's findings now. I would not have said that one year ago. It is clear that some of these agencies which in the past MAY have been impartial are now showing that they also have an agenda. Who knows.. maybe the statistic is accurate. Maybe not.
Nothing makes hate crimes acceptable. Doesn't matter whether it's people vandalizing a synagogue, beating up on homosexuals, attacking Muslims - no matter what you think of our officials, there's never a situation where you can say 'well, what did you expect would happen?".
I'm not talking about an uptick in violence in general. I'm talk about hate crimes specifically and mostly anti-Muslim hate crimes and I don't think Ferguson has very much to do with that.
What is the uptick in Muslim violence against other Americans - jihadi attacks? It is not a one way street.
Also, just because reported incidents are up, doesn't mean there are more incidents, just means more are opting to report. Could there be more incidents, yes. Again action and re-action. But 6% is not a massive number.
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I'm not talking about an uptick in violence in general. I'm talk about hate crimes specifically and mostly anti-Muslim hate crimes and I don't think Ferguson has very much to do with that.
What is the uptick in Muslim violence against other Americans - jihadi attacks? It is not a one way street.
Also, just because reported incidents are up, doesn't mean there are more incidents, just means more are opting to report. Could there be more incidents, yes. Again action and re-action. But 6% is not a massive number.
What were the two or three years prior? If they were trending downward or about even, a 6% increase would represent a huge difference.
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I'm not talking about an uptick in violence in general. I'm talk about hate crimes specifically and mostly anti-Muslim hate crimes and I don't think Ferguson has very much to do with that.
What is the uptick in Muslim violence against other Americans - jihadi attacks? It is not a one way street.
Also, just because reported incidents are up, doesn't mean there are more incidents, just means more are opting to report. Could there be more incidents, yes. Again action and re-action. But 6% is not a massive number.
I don't know section, why don't you tell me what the uptick is? You keep talk about minorities committing acts of violence but you've yet to link any articles or statistics here. It certainly doesn't justify a rise in hate crimes against Muslims.
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Here's a NYT article (go ahead and skewer that) talking about it, from November.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
Who defines which crimes are a "hate crime" vs just someone committing a crime and the target just happens to be a minority.
How many times have we seen crimes be labeled that way when in reality, the crime would have been committed regardless as to who the victim was.
Remember the knockout game? Youths just walking up to people punching them in the face unprovoked? When a white person was targeted I did not hear anyone say those were hate crimes. Why? Because they weren't. It was just some fucked up kids who were looking for a weak target (one who would not retaliate) no matter what the race. Meanwhile, if it was a white kid doing it and the target was a minority, you KNOW in today's environment that would be labeled as a hate crime.
So back to the statistic. Who decides whether HATE CRIMES have climbed by 6%. Even more.. who decides whether the reason for the crime was hate towards the minority?
Well in the NYT article, it specifically states that attacks against American Muslims surged according to FBI data. The FBI defines a hate crime as such:
"A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties."
I just believe part of what we are seeing that many are perceiving as a step backwards is a result of 2 decades of ignoring/stifling racist/hateful opinions.
Not allowing folks to express these opinions does not make them go away. It is counter productive. To solve a problem you must first define it- and we haven't been doing a very good job of that over the years- which also means we are not attacking the problem, merely ignoring it hoping it will go away.
What is the uptick in Muslim violence against other Americans - jihadi attacks? It is not a one way street.
You realize of course that white victims are included in the FBI stats, right? By the FBI's definition, a Muslim attacking a white American on the basis of his race, religion or gender would be covered.
From the FBI's report:
Somehow it went off the rails talking about Muslims and other stuff.
There are several direct comments pretty much saying that these attacks are being made because of politics or the views of certain political supporters.
That's just false.
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Sort of shocking how recent events have emboldened people to do this kind of thing.
Somehow it went off the rails talking about Muslims and other stuff.
There are several direct comments pretty much saying that these attacks are being made because of politics or the views of certain political supporters.
That's just false.
That's just false - based on what?
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Sort of shocking how recent events have emboldened people to do this kind of thing.
Somehow it went off the rails talking about Muslims and other stuff.
There are several direct comments pretty much saying that these attacks are being made because of politics or the views of certain political supporters.
That's just false.
That's just false - based on what?
(This wasn't on a fake news site. So maybe that's why some of you missed this.)
115% spike compared to same month last year - ( New Window )
The news in the tri-state area has mentioned on several occasions - and they're pulling from NYPD's comstat in many instances - that hate crimes have experienced an uptick here. Synagogues and mosques were tagged with swastikas in some cases, and there were a couple of incidents on the streets with people inciting violence. The time period in question probably doesn't offer a statistically significant sample, but it was enough for the NYPD to start ramping up patrols in a few neighborhoods.
Based on the fact that many of these statistics are from the last two years and the election was just last month, and we haven't had a new President even take office yet.
(This wasn't on a fake news site. So maybe that's why some of you missed this.) 115% spike compared to same month last year - ( New Window )
NYDN isn't a fake news site? (had to say that)
No one is hurling insults, making nasty comments, etc. I'd hope no one gets banned from a very peaceful (by BBI standards) discussion that has plenty of political leanings.
Well, if I'm going out, I'm going out with a bang.
Here's jcn56's take on abortion, illegal immigration, taxes, welfare, the healthcare system, peace in the Middle East and the death penalty:
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if you see hate crimes that bear the language of a certain political actor, then you might assume that political actor has had some influence on the criminals' ideas. Especially when the connections aren't tedious.
it's very sad that in the country that helped defeat the Nazis and their hate filled murderous monsterous regimme, that there is a resurgence in neo Nazi activity on their soil. I am optimistic that the people who are being targeted by the hate - Jews, African Americans, Muslims, Latinos are not simply going to accept being dehumanized the way my ancestors did in Europe in the 1930s. they are going to fight.
Great - you are comparing a country that was entirely built around a regime and a police state, to a handful of kooks who feel emboldened by news coverage.....
I just believe part of what we are seeing that many are perceiving as a step backwards is a result of 2 decades of ignoring/stifling racist/hateful opinions.
Not allowing folks to express these opinions does not make them go away. It is counter productive. To solve a problem you must first define it- and we haven't been doing a very good job of that over the years- which also means we are not attacking the problem, merely ignoring it hoping it will go away.
Yeah, I tend to agree with you on this. Instead of pretending it does not exist, let these people illustrate themselves so we know who to avoid
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groups emboldened to voice their opinions. I certainly don't wish to see an increase in violence.
I just believe part of what we are seeing that many are perceiving as a step backwards is a result of 2 decades of ignoring/stifling racist/hateful opinions.
Not allowing folks to express these opinions does not make them go away. It is counter productive. To solve a problem you must first define it- and we haven't been doing a very good job of that over the years- which also means we are not attacking the problem, merely ignoring it hoping it will go away.
Yeah, I tend to agree with you on this. Instead of pretending it does not exist, let these people illustrate themselves so we know who to avoid
With that in mind, I'm also a believer in allowing people to burn the flag as a form of free speech. To argue for allowing hate speech while arguing for banning flag burning seems to be contradictory. And I've seen people make that exact argument with suppressing hate speech as the pussification of America and too much political correctness while allowing flag burning as unpatriotic and treasonous.
With that in mind, I'm also a believer in allowing people to burn the flag as a form of free speech. To argue for allowing hate speech while arguing for banning flag burning seems to be contradictory. And I've seen people make that exact argument with suppressing hate speech as the pussification of America and too much political correctness while allowing flag burning as unpatriotic and treasonous.
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what Ann Coulter thinks of this
Who cares?
That was my point...
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if you see hate crimes that bear the language of a certain political actor, then you might assume that political actor has had some influence on the criminals' ideas. Especially when the connections aren't tedious.
it's very sad that in the country that helped defeat the Nazis and their hate filled murderous monsterous regimme, that there is a resurgence in neo Nazi activity on their soil. I am optimistic that the people who are being targeted by the hate - Jews, African Americans, Muslims, Latinos are not simply going to accept being dehumanized the way my ancestors did in Europe in the 1930s. they are going to fight.
A resurgence in neo-Nazi activity by a small fringe element. You're setting it up like it's the entire white race.
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To me the real problem is technology, it's taking away all of the jobs. I look at 3D printers and I see what they make then I think about the things that I make and I just cannot get my head around why anyone would want to take that away from me. Some things we just shouldn't do just because we can. This kind of stuff makes me think about the pyramids, the Tower of Babel and the perils of too much knowledge. We should be striving for the sweet spot between technical achievement and individual happiness. The latter should be the main focus but is too often ignored by our economic and political leadership.
What I've found, ironically enough, is that certain types of people who claim to be open-minded and tolerant, are anything but if you have an opinion that doesnt fit in with their narrative.
That takes me back to wondering why he was living there. Close to the stadium, but so is Harmon Cove. And he can afford that. Friend of mine lived there in the 80's and used to play pick-up basketball with Andy Headen and William Roberts, who also lived there at the time.
You better pack some heat. I've heard about that place. Assume everyone else is armed and involved. Make sure that safety is off too.
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...Really from Hackensack and south along the Hackensack River, ESPECIALLY along the Ridgefield/North Bergen/Jersey City 1&9 corridor - I grew up in that area, and in my life experience, definitely the most racist place I've ever been. (North Bergen in particular). Over the years, as those towns have diversified, I doubt it's as bad as it was back in the 80's and 90's - but it doesn't surprise me one iota to see this pop up in Moonachie, a practical joke of a town, someone stuck a residential neighborhood smack in the middle of an industrial district and an airport. Nasty town.
That takes me back to wondering why he was living there. Close to the stadium, but so is Harmon Cove. And he can afford that. Friend of mine lived there in the 80's and used to play pick-up basketball with Andy Headen and William Roberts, who also lived there at the time.
Moonachie? BLECCH!
A resurgence in neo-Nazi activity by a small fringe element. You're setting it up like it's the entire white race. [/quote] I apologize if that is how it came across. I know most white Christians are tolerant of people of different ethnicities, religious beliefs and skin colors.
I hope it is indeed just a small fringe that is feeling extra emboldened rather than an increase in membership.
Archie Bunker was so popular because he struck a nerve. Some of America likely thought he was a caricature, but to people who grew up in regions like that, he was no fake - EVERYONE knew people like that.
Outside my family, I found the sentiments to be expressed far beyond just jokes. Jokes are funny. Refusing to sell houses to someone based on race, refusing to hire... ethnic profiling by police - violence against people for race, ethnicity - I saw it all there.
So, moving upstate - refreshing to move to beautiful green spaces, away from the congestion but also refreshing to move somewhere where people really are nicer.
Well, I certainly wouldn't scoff at a 6% surge in pay.
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groups emboldened to voice their opinions. I certainly don't wish to see an increase in violence.
I just believe part of what we are seeing that many are perceiving as a step backwards is a result of 2 decades of ignoring/stifling racist/hateful opinions.
Not allowing folks to express these opinions does not make them go away. It is counter productive. To solve a problem you must first define it- and we haven't been doing a very good job of that over the years- which also means we are not attacking the problem, merely ignoring it hoping it will go away.
Yeah, I tend to agree with you on this. Instead of pretending it does not exist, let these people illustrate themselves so we know who to avoid
Personally I believe in pretty close to unfettered speech, even hate speech (I'm torn but not totally against shouting fire in a movie theater). So there's that. But I also agree that we should shine a light on the odious people and we should judge everyone. So societally, I think you guys are spot on.
BUT that does not change the fact that as a nation, we have made great strides against racism, for acceptance and equality. Ask any veteran cop if the police are more or less racist than they were 25-30 years ago, if there are more or less hate crimes.
It's night and day.
This kind of violence must always be called out, can never be tolerated.
But don't fall for the fallacy that it's getting worse. It's not.
With that in mind, I'm also a believer in allowing people to burn the flag as a form of free speech. To argue for allowing hate speech while arguing for banning flag burning seems to be contradictory. And I've seen people make that exact argument with suppressing hate speech as the pussification of America and too much political correctness while allowing flag burning as unpatriotic and treasonous.
Ronnie supports burning things. I'm shocked.
Archie Bunker was so popular because he struck a nerve. Some of America likely thought he was a caricature, but to people who grew up in regions like that, he was no fake - EVERYONE knew people like that.
Outside my family, I found the sentiments to be expressed far beyond just jokes. Jokes are funny. Refusing to sell houses to someone based on race, refusing to hire... ethnic profiling by police - violence against people for race, ethnicity - I saw it all there.
So, moving upstate - refreshing to move to beautiful green spaces, away from the congestion but also refreshing to move somewhere where people really are nicer.
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...Really from Hackensack and south along the Hackensack River, ESPECIALLY along the Ridgefield/North Bergen/Jersey City 1&9 corridor - I grew up in that area, and in my life experience, definitely the most racist place I've ever been. (North Bergen in particular). Over the years, as those towns have diversified, I doubt it's as bad as it was back in the 80's and 90's - but it doesn't surprise me one iota to see this pop up in Moonachie, a practical joke of a town, someone stuck a residential neighborhood smack in the middle of an industrial district and an airport. Nasty town.
That takes me back to wondering why he was living there. Close to the stadium, but so is Harmon Cove. And he can afford that. Friend of mine lived there in the 80's and used to play pick-up basketball with Andy Headen and William Roberts, who also lived there at the time.
It IS weird. Players live in my hometown, Little Ferry from time to time - there are decent condo and apartment complexes there - still, not really that nice. If I was a Giant, I'd go up 17 - Ridgewood, Allendale, Ramsey... somewhere nice.
Moonachie? BLECCH!
Rents are through the roof, and a guy like Whitlock is probably trying to save money. A bunch of Giants used to live in a newer complex right on the E. Rutherford/Rutherford border, but after the crash those apartments are actually quite expensive.
This was a burglary as well as vandalism. Unfortunately athletes are targeted - Plaxico was packing in 08 because Steve Smith got jacked in Clifton the week before.
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...Really from Hackensack and south along the Hackensack River, ESPECIALLY along the Ridgefield/North Bergen/Jersey City 1&9 corridor - I grew up in that area, and in my life experience, definitely the most racist place I've ever been. (North Bergen in particular). Over the years, as those towns have diversified, I doubt it's as bad as it was back in the 80's and 90's - but it doesn't surprise me one iota to see this pop up in Moonachie, a practical joke of a town, someone stuck a residential neighborhood smack in the middle of an industrial district and an airport. Nasty town.
That takes me back to wondering why he was living there. Close to the stadium, but so is Harmon Cove. And he can afford that. Friend of mine lived there in the 80's and used to play pick-up basketball with Andy Headen and William Roberts, who also lived there at the time.
It IS weird. Players live in my hometown, Little Ferry from time to time - there are decent condo and apartment complexes there - still, not really that nice. If I was a Giant, I'd go up 17 - Ridgewood, Allendale, Ramsey... somewhere nice.
Moonachie? BLECCH!
The guys who would move to places like that are likely well established or about to retire and have a family. Feagles lives in Ridgewood. Harry Carson, Phil Simms and Chris Snee all live in Franklin Lakes. If you are a younger or fringe guy like a Whitlock, they usually rent apartments. Many of the Giants rent out in Clifton. Believe it or not, Keith Hamilton is the landlord for lot of these guys.
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Or at least extremely politically incorrect. I was raised on a constant stream of ethnic jokes. Polack, Guinea, N!gger, Sp!c, Ch!nk, K!ke - equal opportunity racism, but racism still the same. (and of course, sexist and homophobic jokes thrown in for good measure).
Archie Bunker was so popular because he struck a nerve. Some of America likely thought he was a caricature, but to people who grew up in regions like that, he was no fake - EVERYONE knew people like that.
Outside my family, I found the sentiments to be expressed far beyond just jokes. Jokes are funny. Refusing to sell houses to someone based on race, refusing to hire... ethnic profiling by police - violence against people for race, ethnicity - I saw it all there.
So, moving upstate - refreshing to move to beautiful green spaces, away from the congestion but also refreshing to move somewhere where people really are nicer.
That's odd because I distinctly recall that when I moved upstate I heard people use the term "colored" for the first time in decades. It was one of my first impressions of upstate NY actually
Don't know what part of upstate you were in - I DO believe that up to Middletown is still kind of part of NYC Metro... I'm out in Binghamton, waaay out.
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...Really from Hackensack and south along the Hackensack River, ESPECIALLY along the Ridgefield/North Bergen/Jersey City 1&9 corridor - I grew up in that area, and in my life experience, definitely the most racist place I've ever been. (North Bergen in particular). Over the years, as those towns have diversified, I doubt it's as bad as it was back in the 80's and 90's - but it doesn't surprise me one iota to see this pop up in Moonachie, a practical joke of a town, someone stuck a residential neighborhood smack in the middle of an industrial district and an airport. Nasty town.
That takes me back to wondering why he was living there. Close to the stadium, but so is Harmon Cove. And he can afford that. Friend of mine lived there in the 80's and used to play pick-up basketball with Andy Headen and William Roberts, who also lived there at the time.
It IS weird. Players live in my hometown, Little Ferry from time to time - there are decent condo and apartment complexes there - still, not really that nice. If I was a Giant, I'd go up 17 - Ridgewood, Allendale, Ramsey... somewhere nice.
Moonachie? BLECCH!
Funny you should say Ridgewood. They just won the Group 5 North FB title with Jeff Feagle's son a star RB and punter. He's committed to Miami as a punter next year. IIRC, didn't Philipi Sparks live in Ridgewood while he was playing?
Don't know what part of upstate you were in - I DO believe that up to Middletown is still kind of part of NYC Metro... I'm out in Binghamton, waaay out.
There are a not insignificant number of people commuting by train and car from Middletown to Manhattan daily, so I'd say it's on the border of NYC/Metro.
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I'm not about suppressing any kind of speech, no matter if they are hate speech that are hurtful, especially to younger people, which is unfortunate.
With that in mind, I'm also a believer in allowing people to burn the flag as a form of free speech. To argue for allowing hate speech while arguing for banning flag burning seems to be contradictory. And I've seen people make that exact argument with suppressing hate speech as the pussification of America and too much political correctness while allowing flag burning as unpatriotic and treasonous.
Ronnie supports burning things. I'm shocked.
Surprised it took this long for someone to point that out.
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I MISS AB&G, MAN!!!
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Quote: Funny you should say Ridgewood. They just won the Group 5 North FB title with Jeff Feagle's son a star RB and punter. He's committed to Miami as a punter next year. IIRC, didn't Philipi Sparks live in Ridgewood while he was playing?
Ridgewood is a really sweet town - the Rt. 17 corridor from there to the border is aces. Had I stayed in NJ, that's what I would have been gunning for.
I MISS AB&G, MAN!!!
ABG is decent but overrated.
And I do believe Harry Carson lives in the Westwood/Hillsdale area, as I used to go to the gym where he works out. Kevin Boothe recently moved to that area as well.
Ridgewood is a really sweet town - the Rt. 17 corridor from there to the border is aces. Had I stayed in NJ, that's what I would have been gunning for.
I MISS AB&G, MAN!!!
True, but you better have school age kids to justify paying the real estate taxes which, particularly in Ridgewood, are staggering. Mahwah's still la relative bargain. I wonder how old Whitlock's kids are.
Been a LONG time since I was in the AB&G.
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Ridgewood is a really sweet town - the Rt. 17 corridor from there to the border is aces. Had I stayed in NJ, that's what I would have been gunning for.
I MISS AB&G, MAN!!!
True, but you better have school age kids to justify paying the real estate taxes which, particularly in Ridgewood, are staggering. Mahwah's still la relative bargain. I wonder how old Whitlock's kids are.
Been a LONG time since I was in the AB&G.
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That's just false - based on what?
Based on the fact that many of these statistics are from the last two years and the election was just last month, and we haven't had a new President even take office yet.
I respect you FMiC, but why do you always seem to be Mr. Contrarian on these topics? You're arguing over minutiae.
Close enough for government work.
You have this place where you're supposed to be safe and some bottom feeder takes that away from you.
These threads end up having people get on soapboxes about how despicably racist this country is and recently, they try tying that racism to politics and "current events".
And David, while that alone is bad enough, the discussion is almost always slanted one way, and whatever is initially reported by the Media in events, gets parroted ad nauseum, even though those reports are inevitably shown to be flawed.
And some of it hits close to home. We are coming off a period in Charlotte where needless vandalism, destruction of property, violence and actually a death happened because people took an erroneous story and ran with it. There haven't been any apologies issued about calling the police chief and the force on the carpet, for calling the population racist and for lashing out with riots. Instead, of an apology, we've gotten a bunch of baloney that it is a natural reaction to the "current atmosphere" and that there "needs to be change".
Even this thread makes it out like we are turning into a country of sadistic racists and are "allowed" to discriminate.
Pretty much, most of these threads are horseshit.
My little league team was sponsored by Manny's. When we won the league we got free dinner there, but sadly no Parcells or Francesa. Manny's > Chicken Delight!
We talked about banning people based on their religion, going house to house with a deportation force, changing whether you are a citizen even if you were born here, said you cant trust Mexican judges because they are mexican...
Its like two sets of people are living in two different Americas.
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I always thought the food was meh, but my Dad and I would go there after games before heading back home.
We talked about banning people based on their religion, going house to house with a deportation force, changing whether you are a citizen even if you were born here, said you cant trust Mexican judges because they are mexican...
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Safe to assume Jennifer Palmieri is your hero?
We are living in fact free times where people believe they are debatable
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I always thought the food was meh, but my Dad and I would go there after games before heading back home.
The Park Tavern in East Rutherford always had better food.
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The frgging KKK has been huge supporters of one candidate. Have been emboldened to be out in public. To many their viewpoint has been justified, made acceptable. One candidate fueled that fire and made that a big part of his base.
You have a candidate that tweets constantly about stupid crap and is often lying to trying to shit people up who usually get death threats after but won't tweet one single thing about stopping the hatred, discrimination and vile behaviour.
Be friggin real.
FACT. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE RACISM.
FACT. AB&G IS FREAKING AWESOME.
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Moonachie. Home of LT's former restaurant!
I thought that was Hasbrouck Heights or Wood Ridge. Rt 17 doesn't go through Moonachie, though it comes close.
You've got it mostly right. Rte. 17 south just before the Rte. 120 exit. I think it was East Rutherford.
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MSNBC is not the place to go for facts, especially when they are butt hurt over their candidate losing. Nevertheless, you (people in general) can perceive reality in a totally different light based on your(people's) wants.
So you chose to ignore the rhetoric from one side but dwell on the other?
Fact is illegal immigration and unfettered acceptance of refugees from dangerous places was a major concern for all Americans. Was most of it over the top, yes. "The rhetoric" was hyperbole (kinda like a senate majority leader saying somebody hadn't filed taxes in 10 years, which a total lie), the majority of which was toned down many months before.
Fact is illegal immigration and unfettered acceptance of refugees from dangerous places was a major concern for all Americans.
Many of us aren't afraid of people based soley on where they are from. Many of us know that 'extreme vetting' is already implemented here.
The racists have been emboldened by the election results. I am not sure how anyone caqn deny that. I am not saying that all his supporters are racist but it is a strong part of his base.
Again facts arent important. Getting people to vote based on misinformation and racism is
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Fact is illegal immigration and unfettered acceptance of refugees from dangerous places was a major concern for all Americans.
This has already gotten too political, but 'ALL' Americans do not list illegal immigration as a 'MAJOR' concern. Some of us northerners don't give 2 craps about border state issues, and feel that the government has done an excellent job at preventing 'undesirable/dangerous' types from entering this country.
Many of us aren't afraid of people based soley on where they are from. Many of us know that 'extreme vetting' is already implemented here.
I somewhat disagree with your opinion, but you are right on the political content. So I'll take your cue, and disengage, too bad, good discussion.
Just another day of old white people finding what they want on the internet.
Just another day of old white people finding what they want on the internet.
God damned old white people. Let's exterminate them.
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Sort of shocking how recent events have emboldened people to do this kind of thing.
Somehow it went off the rails talking about Muslims and other stuff.
There are several direct comments pretty much saying that these attacks are being made because of politics or the views of certain political supporters.
That's just false.
I mean, they wrote Trump on his walls. But you're right, this attack had nothing in any way to do with our new President-elect. (BTW which is not to blame Trump for this, but just to show that in this particular case it's clear as day that his election emboldened this behavior).
Vote Trump painted on burned black church
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/02/us/mississippi-black-church-vandalized-vote-trump/
Swastikas, 'Go Trump' Spray-Painted At Beastie Boy's Memorial Park
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+spray+painted&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=&oe=
Swastika and Trump painted on Campus Church
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/fake-hate-jewish-students-painted-swastika-trump-campus-church/
And of course, Whitlocks home also had Trumps name mixed in the the other racist symbology marking his walls.
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Hitting people as some form of proof of reverse racism or white targeted racism is startingly stupid.
Just another day of old white people finding what they want on the internet.
God damned old white people. Let's exterminate them.
Ice floes man. Ice floes. Just let em drift away.
I get some of the other reasons that probably the majority of his supporters voted for him. But for Christ's sake own the shit. Are a significant number of his supporters racist? Clearly because that was a significant part of his platform. So if you didnt vote for him based on racist ideals, at least own that it was a significant part of what got him elected and is a significant part of his base.
Again, the mans own words spoke for themselves.
When you call someone a racist or Hitler, game over. You won't get any rational discussion. On BBI get a tidal wave of idiotic links to opinion journalists who blather the same intolerance.
When you call someone a racist or Hitler, game over. You won't get any rational discussion. On BBI get a tidal wave of idiotic links to opinion journalists who blather the same intolerance.
No one on this thread was called a racist - what are you referring to?
I get some of the other reasons that probably the majority of his supporters voted for him. But for Christ's sake own the shit. Are a significant number of his supporters racist? Clearly because that was a significant part of his platform. So if you didnt vote for him based on racist ideals, at least own that it was a significant part of what got him elected and is a significant part of his base.
Again, the mans own words spoke for themselves.
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for political scientists. It is clear evidence of why the election came-out the way it did. There is a lack of critical thinking about alternate opinions and a lack of tolerance from the very same people who claim to have seized that high ground.
When you call someone a racist or Hitler, game over. You won't get any rational discussion. On BBI get a tidal wave of idiotic links to opinion journalists who blather the same intolerance.
No one on this thread was called a racist - what are you referring to?
I bet they and Disney are involved in that pizzeria child sex ring too.
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Moonachie. Home of LT's former restaurant!
I thought that was Hasbrouck Heights or Wood Ridge. Rt 17 doesn't go through Moonachie, though it comes close.
I think LT's was officially Carlstadt/E. Rutherford. It was only a couple of minutes away from the old Rutherford House, which was right on the border.
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for political scientists. It is clear evidence of why the election came-out the way it did. There is a lack of critical thinking about alternate opinions and a lack of tolerance from the very same people who claim to have seized that high ground.
When you call someone a racist or Hitler, game over. You won't get any rational discussion. On BBI get a tidal wave of idiotic links to opinion journalists who blather the same intolerance.
No one on this thread was called a racist - what are you referring to?
Considering that someone said that the majority of people who voted for Trump are racists, and I think that simple logic would indicate that some portion of BBIers voted for Trump, well...
BBI doesn't have any racist trump voters? If it's not a majority, what percentage of Trump voters being racist is more accurate, in your estimation? There's without question portion of his base that are openly racist and white supremacists. Those folks are really excited about how this election turned out. They were far more excited about Trump than other candidates that preceded him. Why is that, if it's not that his campaign spoke to the racism that is near and dear to their hearts?
It's a strange paradox that a lot of the folks who are against political correctness also don't like it when people are called racists.
And with that, this happens...
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for political scientists. It is clear evidence of why the election came-out the way it did. There is a lack of critical thinking about alternate opinions and a lack of tolerance from the very same people who claim to have seized that high ground.
When you call someone a racist or Hitler, game over. You won't get any rational discussion. On BBI get a tidal wave of idiotic links to opinion journalists who blather the same intolerance.
No one on this thread was called a racist - what are you referring to?
Considering that someone said that the majority of people who voted for Trump are racists, and I think that simple logic would indicate that some portion of BBIers voted for Trump, well...
Obviously it's impossible to know what's in the hearts and minds of all 63 million people who voted for Trump, and the suggestion that a majority of them are racist is just conjecture if not hyperbole.
But it's certainly also intellectually dishonest to not acknowledge the alarming amount of openly racist people that have been galvanized specifically by his campaign.
If youre someone who can't accept both of these things then it's not likely you'll be able to add anything of meaning to the conversation.
Specifically with respect to Trump voters, I wonder when and why all those counties with all those people who went overwhelmingly for a black president four years ago became racist.
Its a serious problem. and it has been fed and groomed by politics. So many things touch politics. Did you post things that werent true? Yes you did. So why not own up to those instead of worrying about who the rules should apply to and when and under what circumstances
You have posted as much as I did and all about politics. Did your argument lose and was it not based on facts? Yes it was. So is that what you are left with? Trying to get me banned because you lost your arguments?
There is more vitriol on Knicks threads. Relax
"Considering that someone said that the majority of people who voted for Trump are racists, and I think that simple logic would indicate that some portion of BBIers voted for Trump, well..."
Who exactly said that the majority of people who voted for Trump are racists?
Again, just own it already. You are agitating to cause a fight if nothing else. You want to debate who was oblique and who the rules apply to? Did you ready anything that you wrote here?
"t's his own fault that he and his wife and two children returned to a house that had "Trump" scribbled on one wall and "KKK" and "Go back to Africa" on others. It's Whitlock's own fault, he says, that he became another victim of the wave of hate crimes that's followed Donald Trump's presidential election victory."
You are trying to separate the issue from the actual issue
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There is clearly a racist undertone to a substantial part of the president elects base.
When did substantial part become a majority? Is it 10%? 20% 30%..
To me in terms of racism, any of those numbers are substantial. You see how you turned "substantial" into majority? You do understand that they don't mean the same thing..right? Or are you just trolling me now?
When did substantial part become a majority? Is it 10%? 20% 30%..
To me in terms of racism, any of those numbers are substantial. You see how you turned "substantial" into majority? You do understand that they don't mean the same thing..right? Or are you just trolling me now?
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I worry about those that have fought hard to get on equal footing will be forced to take a step back. I worry about hatred towards anyone and a president elect that clearly made a platform with racism as one of it's pillars. Some of it is so against un American it scares me.
You ever wonder how people could commit the Holocaust or similar? How regular everyday people could decide to hate others so much as to end up trying to exterminate them? I no longer wonder about it. I can see it now. And that is scary to me.
You want to throw up in your mouth a little? Read the comments sections on any articles on MSN or similar regarding the president elect.
This Whitlock item is just a tiny example. The Somali Congresswoman was just harassed by a cab driver. Check out that article.
The larger issue is that he gets public endorsements from the likes of David Duke, and never nipped that in the bud. Staying silent is a tacit manner of accepting it, and further emboldens the crazies that were drawn in by the rhetoric surrounding immigration, terrorism, etc.
Mexican Judge could not be impartial because he was Mexican
Endorsing stop and Frisk
Ignoring and taking the police side 100% in the issues with minorities and Police
Killing family members of Muslim Terrorists
Taking away rights of people born here
Deportation force in place to round up millions of people to deport
Saying Mexicans are mostly criminals and racists "Some are good people"
You think this rhetoric had no effect on his supporters?
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Sorry Ronnie...
Mexican Judge could not be impartial because he was Mexican
Endorsing stop and Frisk
Ignoring and taking the police side 100% in the issues with minorities and Police
Killing family members of Muslim Terrorists
Taking away rights of people born here
Deportation force in place to round up millions of people to deport
Saying Mexicans are mostly criminals and racists "Some are good people"
You think this rhetoric had no effect on his supporters?
Sure he did... sure he did. I'm not putting on those Nike's...
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Banning people based on religion
Mexican Judge could not be impartial because he was Mexican
Endorsing stop and Frisk
Ignoring and taking the police side 100% in the issues with minorities and Police
Killing family members of Muslim Terrorists
Taking away rights of people born here
Deportation force in place to round up millions of people to deport
Saying Mexicans are mostly criminals and racists "Some are good people"
You think this rhetoric had no effect on his supporters?
Sure he did... sure he did. I'm not putting on those Nike's...
Nikita Whitlock has to deal with getting his home broken into and finding hateful messages. Glad you seem to think this is funny, while you flipped your shit at a Ginger reference a while back.
lol
Some classic shit here, fellas. Classic. Well done.
Carry on.
I come here for the lulz. I wasn't disappointed. Much obliged
Had a conversation with my Dad who voted for Trump but lived in TN now and noted how he mocked a disabled reported. My Dad didn’t believe me. It never happened.
What the fear is that if no one is listening to each other anymore and it is mostly one sided. There are studies that mostly confirm this to some degree, then what are we left with. Unfortunately, the oppressed, the minorities and those that support them eventually force themselves to be heard. And that is a lot of pain for everyone.
I have never been one to think that something really bad is going to happen or if I don’t get things my way then all hell will break lose. However, this feels very different to me. Facts don’t matter and ignorance prevails. Intellectual curiosity is dead.
Compassion is fake and logic doesn’t matter
The president elect had several items that would simply void any one elses chances. People didn't care. They want to believe what they want to believe. That is my conclusion. Most of the people I know voted for Trump. Most arent racist....I dont think. But some are. I think the hatred of Hillary was an excuse to look the other way.
If all those brown and black people would just act right...they would have no issues with the police
If those Muslims would just tell eachother to stop it and stop the bad Muslims so its all their fault. Takes no work on their part.
If those Mexicans would stop taking all of our jobs and using all our resources and voting illegally.
None of these positions bear any weight under factual scrutiny but it doesnt matter.
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is that the folks that pretend there isn't an uptick in emboldened crazies mostly live in a nice cocoon, where they are very much insulated from what kind of problems minorities have to deal with on a daily basis. It's very easy to pretend something doesn't exist when you don't have to really face it yourself.
no offense David, but growing up Asian in the new millennium California doesn't put you in a position to know what sort of insulation that someone growing up Asian in bumfuck New England of the '60's had. Not that it compares with others but it certainly takes you out of position to make blanket statements about the faceless here.
You likely have not experienced "new millennium California". There's a major housing crisis going on, and more homeless than ever wandering the streets. Skid Row is the most despondent neighborhood in America, and it is just blocks away from the Jewelry District. LAPD has a laundry list of corruption and lack of transparency. There's also Orange County which is rife with white supremacists. Have you been in a car with a black driver and see how hostile the some LEO's might get? Unless you experience it up close, you'll probably never really empathize with those that have to suffer daily, and be more careful than non-minorities.
Getting irate at the ginger stuff was a classic thread!!
It's between 42-51% of the contingent PA is referring to (depending on the month)
Up to 60% of the primary vote:
A stark & disturbing ugly panorama in our own country. Never forget how he burst onto the recent political scene in 2011 (which the press regrettably could/would not stop covering). It was an extremely deliberate & cynical appeal to that lamentable huge portion of the American public. Doubtful he ever really believed it himself but, like a vet shark at a poker table, he knew how to brilliantly play those whose support he needed for what was the begin in 2015.