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| Whitlock, 25, who has spent the entire season on injured reserve, came home to a graffiti swastika, according to CBS New York, as well as “KKK” and “Go back to Africa” messages scrawled on the walls inside his Moonachie home. “It just re-establishes that no matter where you are, no matter who you are, this can happen to you,” Whitlock told CBS New York |
Too bad Nikita didn't catch those cowards in the act.
I think I would be moving again if I were him.
I know almost squat about NJ, but isn't it in Bergen County, which I thought was a pretty expensive/nice place to live?
Not implying that shit like this doesn't happen in places like that, just that you'd think it'd be harder to get away with it.
Sort of shocking how recent events have emboldened people to do this kind of thing.
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Just really shocking.
I know almost squat about NJ, but isn't it in Bergen County, which I thought was a pretty expensive/nice place to live?
Not implying that shit like this doesn't happen in places like that, just that you'd think it'd be harder to get away with it.
It is in Bergen County but Moonachie is right next to the stadium and is very sparsely populated compared to the rest of the County - it is mostly industrial. If you've ever driven the back roads by Manny's to the stadium, you know what I mean.
Or the trailer park...seriously, there is actually a trailer park in Moonachie.
For some reason.
Correct. My first thought is what's a guy making 425k per year doing in Moonachie? Anyway, a scumbag neighbor or kids, quite possibly a single family, is probably responsible. A surveillance camera (or moving van) seems appropriate. Love to see the assholes in court.
The idea that people are "emboldened" to do this based on current events is feeding into the propaganda that somehow hate crimes are rising
Its like relying on PFF for ranking players.
Subjective.
Who knows who could have done this? I havent seen many neo nazi hate groups roaming the streets of Moonachie.
Either way - whoever did this is a piece of shit and should have his legs broken to never walk again
On the topic at hand, these people are equally fucked up.
On another note, southern poverty law center, not a credible source as pointed out by FMiC
The idea that people are "emboldened" to do this based on current events is feeding into the propaganda that somehow hate crimes are rising
Do a little research, Fats. Hate crimes/attacks on Muslims have gone up and if you can't figure out what might contribute to that, not much else that can be said.
Have you not seen some of these videos of people in public who feel so emboldened because of current events?
Are you serious with this shit. Videos?
I'm pretty sure the "current events" remark is regarding the political scene, and there is not a tie to attacks on Muslims and "current events". You know when attacks on Muslims rose? Post 9/11. And then they dipped and they've stayed at the same level pretty much since.
But I guess I'm looking at the wrong research. Can you direct me to a biased, pro-hate site so I can "learn" the "real" stats?
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it?
U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
So if there were 200 attacks in 2015, 2016 would see 212? Damn - it is like people are taking to the street in white hoods and gathering up all the people different from them, no?
Even from the article:
“We need to do a better job of tracking and reporting hate crime to fully understand what is happening in our communities and how to stop it,” James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director, said Monday. The F.B.I. regards the prosecution of hate crimes under federal jurisdiction as the top priority of its civil rights branch.
Since the election, hate crime monitors like the Southern Poverty Law Center have reported a rash of verbal or physical abuse targeting minorities and others at schools, mosques and elsewhere.
Another plug for the Southern Poverty Law Center.
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Who cares?
So if there were 200 attacks in 2015, 2016 would see 212? Damn - it is like people are taking to the street in white hoods and gathering up all the people different from them, no?
Even from the article:
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Law enforcement officials acknowledge that the statistics give an incomplete picture because many local agencies still have a spotty record of reporting hate crimes, 26 years after Congress directed the Justice Department to begin collecting the data.
“We need to do a better job of tracking and reporting hate crime to fully understand what is happening in our communities and how to stop it,” James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director, said Monday. The F.B.I. regards the prosecution of hate crimes under federal jurisdiction as the top priority of its civil rights branch.
Since the election, hate crime monitors like the Southern Poverty Law Center have reported a rash of verbal or physical abuse targeting minorities and others at schools, mosques and elsewhere.
Another plug for the Southern Poverty Law Center.
"Attacks against Muslim Americans saw the biggest surge. There were 257 reports of assaults, attacks on mosques and other hate crimes against Muslims last year, a jump of about 67 percent over 2014. It was the highest total since 2001, when more than 480 attacks occurred in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks."
6% was the overall number, driven by the spike of crimes against muslims which increased by 67%.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
What is the uptick since Ferguson??? If you want to talk about inciting violence, you might want to start there.
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Here's a NYT article (go ahead and skewer that) talking about it, from November.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
What is the uptick since Ferguson??? If you want to talk about inciting violence, you might want to start there.
Great point, lets sweep all this under the rug because black people are committing acts of violence as well?
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That's a surge?
So if there were 200 attacks in 2015, 2016 would see 212? Damn - it is like people are taking to the street in white hoods and gathering up all the people different from them, no?
Even from the article:
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Law enforcement officials acknowledge that the statistics give an incomplete picture because many local agencies still have a spotty record of reporting hate crimes, 26 years after Congress directed the Justice Department to begin collecting the data.
“We need to do a better job of tracking and reporting hate crime to fully understand what is happening in our communities and how to stop it,” James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director, said Monday. The F.B.I. regards the prosecution of hate crimes under federal jurisdiction as the top priority of its civil rights branch.
Since the election, hate crime monitors like the Southern Poverty Law Center have reported a rash of verbal or physical abuse targeting minorities and others at schools, mosques and elsewhere.
Another plug for the Southern Poverty Law Center.
"Attacks against Muslim Americans saw the biggest surge. There were 257 reports of assaults, attacks on mosques and other hate crimes against Muslims last year, a jump of about 67 percent over 2014. It was the highest total since 2001, when more than 480 attacks occurred in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks."
6% was the overall number, driven by the spike of crimes against muslims which increased by 67%.
This actually disproves the theory that this particular crime is a part of the surge in hate crimes. The vast majority of the 6% increase is incidents against Muslims rendering the small increase targeting black Americans statistically insignificant.
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Here's a NYT article (go ahead and skewer that) talking about it, from November.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
What is the uptick since Ferguson??? If you want to talk about inciting violence, you might want to start there.
Great point, lets sweep all this under the rug because black people are committing acts of violence as well?
It is action and re-action. You want to blame an election, but the uptick in violence really started in Ferguson - or it became fashionable by the media to report every transgression. I'm not blaming any ethnic group, like you are. Ferguson was a volcano waiting to erupt because of real abuses and once it started, it spread. Each new incident spawns more incidents. Creeps of all shapes and sizes crawl out from under rocks when they see an opportunity.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
Who defines which crimes are a "hate crime" vs just someone committing a crime and the target just happens to be a minority.
How many times have we seen crimes be labeled that way when in reality, the crime would have been committed regardless as to who the victim was.
Remember the knockout game? Youths just walking up to people punching them in the face unprovoked? When a white person was targeted I did not hear anyone say those were hate crimes. Why? Because they weren't. It was just some fucked up kids who were looking for a weak target (one who would not retaliate) no matter what the race. Meanwhile, if it was a white kid doing it and the target was a minority, you KNOW in today's environment that would be labeled as a hate crime.
So back to the statistic. Who decides whether HATE CRIMES have climbed by 6%. Even more.. who decides whether the reason for the crime was hate towards the minority?
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Here's a NYT article (go ahead and skewer that) talking about it, from November.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
What is the uptick since Ferguson??? If you want to talk about inciting violence, you might want to start there.
Great point, lets sweep all this under the rug because black people are committing acts of violence as well?
It is action and re-action. You want to blame an election, but the uptick in violence really started in Ferguson - or it became fashionable by the media to report every transgression. I'm not blaming any ethnic group, like you are. Ferguson was a volcano waiting to erupt because of real abuses and once it started, it spread. Each new incident spawns more incidents. Creeps of all shapes and sizes crawl out from under rocks when they see an opportunity.
I'm not talking about an uptick in violence in general. I'm talk about hate crimes specifically and mostly anti-Muslim hate crimes and I don't think Ferguson has very much to do with that.
Hate crimes have gone up - YoY, more than usual. This is unacceptable, whether you call it a surge, an uptick, an increase. Hate crimes should be going down, not up, and rises point toward underlying social dynamics that are worsening.
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Here's a NYT article (go ahead and skewer that) talking about it, from November.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
Who defines which crimes are a "hate crime" vs just someone committing a crime and the target just happens to be a minority.
How many times have we seen crimes be labeled that way when in reality, the crime would have been committed regardless as to who the victim was.
Remember the knockout game? Youths just walking up to people punching them in the face unprovoked? When a white person was targeted I did not hear anyone say those were hate crimes. Why? Because they weren't. It was just some fucked up kids who were looking for a weak target (one who would not retaliate) no matter what the race. Meanwhile, if it was a white kid doing it and the target was a minority, you KNOW in today's environment that would be labeled as a hate crime.
So back to the statistic. Who decides whether HATE CRIMES have climbed by 6%. Even more.. who decides whether the reason for the crime was hate towards the minority?
Well in the NYT article, it specifically states that attacks against American Muslims surged according to FBI data. The FBI defines a hate crime as such:
"A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties."
Hate crimes have gone up - YoY, more than usual. This is unacceptable, whether you call it a surge, an uptick, an increase. Hate crimes should be going down, not up, and rises point toward underlying social dynamics that are worsening.
There is no way to take this conversation to where it really needs to go without making it political. It would be like discussing what is wrong with the Giants with the caveat that you cannot mention McAdoo and the play calling. How can you have the conversation?
Well in the NYT article, it specifically states that attacks against American Muslims surged according to FBI data. The FBI defines a hate crime as such:
"A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties."
ok Thanks Giantology. So, the FBI decides whether hate was THE motive. I am on the fence as to whether I would like to rely on the FBI's findings now. I would not have said that one year ago. It is clear that some of these agencies which in the past MAY have been impartial are now showing that they also have an agenda. Who knows.. maybe the statistic is accurate. Maybe not.
Nothing makes hate crimes acceptable. Doesn't matter whether it's people vandalizing a synagogue, beating up on homosexuals, attacking Muslims - no matter what you think of our officials, there's never a situation where you can say 'well, what did you expect would happen?".
I'm not talking about an uptick in violence in general. I'm talk about hate crimes specifically and mostly anti-Muslim hate crimes and I don't think Ferguson has very much to do with that.
What is the uptick in Muslim violence against other Americans - jihadi attacks? It is not a one way street.
Also, just because reported incidents are up, doesn't mean there are more incidents, just means more are opting to report. Could there be more incidents, yes. Again action and re-action. But 6% is not a massive number.
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I'm not talking about an uptick in violence in general. I'm talk about hate crimes specifically and mostly anti-Muslim hate crimes and I don't think Ferguson has very much to do with that.
What is the uptick in Muslim violence against other Americans - jihadi attacks? It is not a one way street.
Also, just because reported incidents are up, doesn't mean there are more incidents, just means more are opting to report. Could there be more incidents, yes. Again action and re-action. But 6% is not a massive number.
What were the two or three years prior? If they were trending downward or about even, a 6% increase would represent a huge difference.
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I'm not talking about an uptick in violence in general. I'm talk about hate crimes specifically and mostly anti-Muslim hate crimes and I don't think Ferguson has very much to do with that.
What is the uptick in Muslim violence against other Americans - jihadi attacks? It is not a one way street.
Also, just because reported incidents are up, doesn't mean there are more incidents, just means more are opting to report. Could there be more incidents, yes. Again action and re-action. But 6% is not a massive number.
I don't know section, why don't you tell me what the uptick is? You keep talk about minorities committing acts of violence but you've yet to link any articles or statistics here. It certainly doesn't justify a rise in hate crimes against Muslims.
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Here's a NYT article (go ahead and skewer that) talking about it, from November.
I know you won't read it, so maybe you can print it out and wipe with it? U.S. Hate Crimes Surge 6%, Fueled by Attacks on Muslims - ( New Window )
Who defines which crimes are a "hate crime" vs just someone committing a crime and the target just happens to be a minority.
How many times have we seen crimes be labeled that way when in reality, the crime would have been committed regardless as to who the victim was.
Remember the knockout game? Youths just walking up to people punching them in the face unprovoked? When a white person was targeted I did not hear anyone say those were hate crimes. Why? Because they weren't. It was just some fucked up kids who were looking for a weak target (one who would not retaliate) no matter what the race. Meanwhile, if it was a white kid doing it and the target was a minority, you KNOW in today's environment that would be labeled as a hate crime.
So back to the statistic. Who decides whether HATE CRIMES have climbed by 6%. Even more.. who decides whether the reason for the crime was hate towards the minority?
Well in the NYT article, it specifically states that attacks against American Muslims surged according to FBI data. The FBI defines a hate crime as such:
"A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties."
I just believe part of what we are seeing that many are perceiving as a step backwards is a result of 2 decades of ignoring/stifling racist/hateful opinions.
Not allowing folks to express these opinions does not make them go away. It is counter productive. To solve a problem you must first define it- and we haven't been doing a very good job of that over the years- which also means we are not attacking the problem, merely ignoring it hoping it will go away.
What is the uptick in Muslim violence against other Americans - jihadi attacks? It is not a one way street.
You realize of course that white victims are included in the FBI stats, right? By the FBI's definition, a Muslim attacking a white American on the basis of his race, religion or gender would be covered.
From the FBI's report: