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| Whitlock, 25, who has spent the entire season on injured reserve, came home to a graffiti swastika, according to CBS New York, as well as “KKK” and “Go back to Africa” messages scrawled on the walls inside his Moonachie home. “It just re-establishes that no matter where you are, no matter who you are, this can happen to you,” Whitlock told CBS New York |
Somehow it went off the rails talking about Muslims and other stuff.
There are several direct comments pretty much saying that these attacks are being made because of politics or the views of certain political supporters.
That's just false.
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Sort of shocking how recent events have emboldened people to do this kind of thing.
Somehow it went off the rails talking about Muslims and other stuff.
There are several direct comments pretty much saying that these attacks are being made because of politics or the views of certain political supporters.
That's just false.
That's just false - based on what?
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I commented in the first place was because of this tidbit:
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Sort of shocking how recent events have emboldened people to do this kind of thing.
Somehow it went off the rails talking about Muslims and other stuff.
There are several direct comments pretty much saying that these attacks are being made because of politics or the views of certain political supporters.
That's just false.
That's just false - based on what?
(This wasn't on a fake news site. So maybe that's why some of you missed this.)
115% spike compared to same month last year - ( New Window )
The news in the tri-state area has mentioned on several occasions - and they're pulling from NYPD's comstat in many instances - that hate crimes have experienced an uptick here. Synagogues and mosques were tagged with swastikas in some cases, and there were a couple of incidents on the streets with people inciting violence. The time period in question probably doesn't offer a statistically significant sample, but it was enough for the NYPD to start ramping up patrols in a few neighborhoods.
Based on the fact that many of these statistics are from the last two years and the election was just last month, and we haven't had a new President even take office yet.
(This wasn't on a fake news site. So maybe that's why some of you missed this.) 115% spike compared to same month last year - ( New Window )
NYDN isn't a fake news site? (had to say that)
No one is hurling insults, making nasty comments, etc. I'd hope no one gets banned from a very peaceful (by BBI standards) discussion that has plenty of political leanings.
Well, if I'm going out, I'm going out with a bang.
Here's jcn56's take on abortion, illegal immigration, taxes, welfare, the healthcare system, peace in the Middle East and the death penalty:
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if you see hate crimes that bear the language of a certain political actor, then you might assume that political actor has had some influence on the criminals' ideas. Especially when the connections aren't tedious.
it's very sad that in the country that helped defeat the Nazis and their hate filled murderous monsterous regimme, that there is a resurgence in neo Nazi activity on their soil. I am optimistic that the people who are being targeted by the hate - Jews, African Americans, Muslims, Latinos are not simply going to accept being dehumanized the way my ancestors did in Europe in the 1930s. they are going to fight.
Great - you are comparing a country that was entirely built around a regime and a police state, to a handful of kooks who feel emboldened by news coverage.....
I just believe part of what we are seeing that many are perceiving as a step backwards is a result of 2 decades of ignoring/stifling racist/hateful opinions.
Not allowing folks to express these opinions does not make them go away. It is counter productive. To solve a problem you must first define it- and we haven't been doing a very good job of that over the years- which also means we are not attacking the problem, merely ignoring it hoping it will go away.
Yeah, I tend to agree with you on this. Instead of pretending it does not exist, let these people illustrate themselves so we know who to avoid
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groups emboldened to voice their opinions. I certainly don't wish to see an increase in violence.
I just believe part of what we are seeing that many are perceiving as a step backwards is a result of 2 decades of ignoring/stifling racist/hateful opinions.
Not allowing folks to express these opinions does not make them go away. It is counter productive. To solve a problem you must first define it- and we haven't been doing a very good job of that over the years- which also means we are not attacking the problem, merely ignoring it hoping it will go away.
Yeah, I tend to agree with you on this. Instead of pretending it does not exist, let these people illustrate themselves so we know who to avoid
With that in mind, I'm also a believer in allowing people to burn the flag as a form of free speech. To argue for allowing hate speech while arguing for banning flag burning seems to be contradictory. And I've seen people make that exact argument with suppressing hate speech as the pussification of America and too much political correctness while allowing flag burning as unpatriotic and treasonous.
With that in mind, I'm also a believer in allowing people to burn the flag as a form of free speech. To argue for allowing hate speech while arguing for banning flag burning seems to be contradictory. And I've seen people make that exact argument with suppressing hate speech as the pussification of America and too much political correctness while allowing flag burning as unpatriotic and treasonous.
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what Ann Coulter thinks of this
Who cares?
That was my point...
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if you see hate crimes that bear the language of a certain political actor, then you might assume that political actor has had some influence on the criminals' ideas. Especially when the connections aren't tedious.
it's very sad that in the country that helped defeat the Nazis and their hate filled murderous monsterous regimme, that there is a resurgence in neo Nazi activity on their soil. I am optimistic that the people who are being targeted by the hate - Jews, African Americans, Muslims, Latinos are not simply going to accept being dehumanized the way my ancestors did in Europe in the 1930s. they are going to fight.
A resurgence in neo-Nazi activity by a small fringe element. You're setting it up like it's the entire white race.
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To me the real problem is technology, it's taking away all of the jobs. I look at 3D printers and I see what they make then I think about the things that I make and I just cannot get my head around why anyone would want to take that away from me. Some things we just shouldn't do just because we can. This kind of stuff makes me think about the pyramids, the Tower of Babel and the perils of too much knowledge. We should be striving for the sweet spot between technical achievement and individual happiness. The latter should be the main focus but is too often ignored by our economic and political leadership.
What I've found, ironically enough, is that certain types of people who claim to be open-minded and tolerant, are anything but if you have an opinion that doesnt fit in with their narrative.
That takes me back to wondering why he was living there. Close to the stadium, but so is Harmon Cove. And he can afford that. Friend of mine lived there in the 80's and used to play pick-up basketball with Andy Headen and William Roberts, who also lived there at the time.
You better pack some heat. I've heard about that place. Assume everyone else is armed and involved. Make sure that safety is off too.
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...Really from Hackensack and south along the Hackensack River, ESPECIALLY along the Ridgefield/North Bergen/Jersey City 1&9 corridor - I grew up in that area, and in my life experience, definitely the most racist place I've ever been. (North Bergen in particular). Over the years, as those towns have diversified, I doubt it's as bad as it was back in the 80's and 90's - but it doesn't surprise me one iota to see this pop up in Moonachie, a practical joke of a town, someone stuck a residential neighborhood smack in the middle of an industrial district and an airport. Nasty town.
That takes me back to wondering why he was living there. Close to the stadium, but so is Harmon Cove. And he can afford that. Friend of mine lived there in the 80's and used to play pick-up basketball with Andy Headen and William Roberts, who also lived there at the time.
Moonachie? BLECCH!
A resurgence in neo-Nazi activity by a small fringe element. You're setting it up like it's the entire white race. [/quote] I apologize if that is how it came across. I know most white Christians are tolerant of people of different ethnicities, religious beliefs and skin colors.
I hope it is indeed just a small fringe that is feeling extra emboldened rather than an increase in membership.
Archie Bunker was so popular because he struck a nerve. Some of America likely thought he was a caricature, but to people who grew up in regions like that, he was no fake - EVERYONE knew people like that.
Outside my family, I found the sentiments to be expressed far beyond just jokes. Jokes are funny. Refusing to sell houses to someone based on race, refusing to hire... ethnic profiling by police - violence against people for race, ethnicity - I saw it all there.
So, moving upstate - refreshing to move to beautiful green spaces, away from the congestion but also refreshing to move somewhere where people really are nicer.
Well, I certainly wouldn't scoff at a 6% surge in pay.
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groups emboldened to voice their opinions. I certainly don't wish to see an increase in violence.
I just believe part of what we are seeing that many are perceiving as a step backwards is a result of 2 decades of ignoring/stifling racist/hateful opinions.
Not allowing folks to express these opinions does not make them go away. It is counter productive. To solve a problem you must first define it- and we haven't been doing a very good job of that over the years- which also means we are not attacking the problem, merely ignoring it hoping it will go away.
Yeah, I tend to agree with you on this. Instead of pretending it does not exist, let these people illustrate themselves so we know who to avoid
Personally I believe in pretty close to unfettered speech, even hate speech (I'm torn but not totally against shouting fire in a movie theater). So there's that. But I also agree that we should shine a light on the odious people and we should judge everyone. So societally, I think you guys are spot on.
BUT that does not change the fact that as a nation, we have made great strides against racism, for acceptance and equality. Ask any veteran cop if the police are more or less racist than they were 25-30 years ago, if there are more or less hate crimes.
It's night and day.
This kind of violence must always be called out, can never be tolerated.
But don't fall for the fallacy that it's getting worse. It's not.
With that in mind, I'm also a believer in allowing people to burn the flag as a form of free speech. To argue for allowing hate speech while arguing for banning flag burning seems to be contradictory. And I've seen people make that exact argument with suppressing hate speech as the pussification of America and too much political correctness while allowing flag burning as unpatriotic and treasonous.
Ronnie supports burning things. I'm shocked.
Archie Bunker was so popular because he struck a nerve. Some of America likely thought he was a caricature, but to people who grew up in regions like that, he was no fake - EVERYONE knew people like that.
Outside my family, I found the sentiments to be expressed far beyond just jokes. Jokes are funny. Refusing to sell houses to someone based on race, refusing to hire... ethnic profiling by police - violence against people for race, ethnicity - I saw it all there.
So, moving upstate - refreshing to move to beautiful green spaces, away from the congestion but also refreshing to move somewhere where people really are nicer.
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...Really from Hackensack and south along the Hackensack River, ESPECIALLY along the Ridgefield/North Bergen/Jersey City 1&9 corridor - I grew up in that area, and in my life experience, definitely the most racist place I've ever been. (North Bergen in particular). Over the years, as those towns have diversified, I doubt it's as bad as it was back in the 80's and 90's - but it doesn't surprise me one iota to see this pop up in Moonachie, a practical joke of a town, someone stuck a residential neighborhood smack in the middle of an industrial district and an airport. Nasty town.
That takes me back to wondering why he was living there. Close to the stadium, but so is Harmon Cove. And he can afford that. Friend of mine lived there in the 80's and used to play pick-up basketball with Andy Headen and William Roberts, who also lived there at the time.
It IS weird. Players live in my hometown, Little Ferry from time to time - there are decent condo and apartment complexes there - still, not really that nice. If I was a Giant, I'd go up 17 - Ridgewood, Allendale, Ramsey... somewhere nice.
Moonachie? BLECCH!
Rents are through the roof, and a guy like Whitlock is probably trying to save money. A bunch of Giants used to live in a newer complex right on the E. Rutherford/Rutherford border, but after the crash those apartments are actually quite expensive.
This was a burglary as well as vandalism. Unfortunately athletes are targeted - Plaxico was packing in 08 because Steve Smith got jacked in Clifton the week before.
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...Really from Hackensack and south along the Hackensack River, ESPECIALLY along the Ridgefield/North Bergen/Jersey City 1&9 corridor - I grew up in that area, and in my life experience, definitely the most racist place I've ever been. (North Bergen in particular). Over the years, as those towns have diversified, I doubt it's as bad as it was back in the 80's and 90's - but it doesn't surprise me one iota to see this pop up in Moonachie, a practical joke of a town, someone stuck a residential neighborhood smack in the middle of an industrial district and an airport. Nasty town.
That takes me back to wondering why he was living there. Close to the stadium, but so is Harmon Cove. And he can afford that. Friend of mine lived there in the 80's and used to play pick-up basketball with Andy Headen and William Roberts, who also lived there at the time.
It IS weird. Players live in my hometown, Little Ferry from time to time - there are decent condo and apartment complexes there - still, not really that nice. If I was a Giant, I'd go up 17 - Ridgewood, Allendale, Ramsey... somewhere nice.
Moonachie? BLECCH!
The guys who would move to places like that are likely well established or about to retire and have a family. Feagles lives in Ridgewood. Harry Carson, Phil Simms and Chris Snee all live in Franklin Lakes. If you are a younger or fringe guy like a Whitlock, they usually rent apartments. Many of the Giants rent out in Clifton. Believe it or not, Keith Hamilton is the landlord for lot of these guys.
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Or at least extremely politically incorrect. I was raised on a constant stream of ethnic jokes. Polack, Guinea, N!gger, Sp!c, Ch!nk, K!ke - equal opportunity racism, but racism still the same. (and of course, sexist and homophobic jokes thrown in for good measure).
Archie Bunker was so popular because he struck a nerve. Some of America likely thought he was a caricature, but to people who grew up in regions like that, he was no fake - EVERYONE knew people like that.
Outside my family, I found the sentiments to be expressed far beyond just jokes. Jokes are funny. Refusing to sell houses to someone based on race, refusing to hire... ethnic profiling by police - violence against people for race, ethnicity - I saw it all there.
So, moving upstate - refreshing to move to beautiful green spaces, away from the congestion but also refreshing to move somewhere where people really are nicer.
That's odd because I distinctly recall that when I moved upstate I heard people use the term "colored" for the first time in decades. It was one of my first impressions of upstate NY actually
Don't know what part of upstate you were in - I DO believe that up to Middletown is still kind of part of NYC Metro... I'm out in Binghamton, waaay out.
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...Really from Hackensack and south along the Hackensack River, ESPECIALLY along the Ridgefield/North Bergen/Jersey City 1&9 corridor - I grew up in that area, and in my life experience, definitely the most racist place I've ever been. (North Bergen in particular). Over the years, as those towns have diversified, I doubt it's as bad as it was back in the 80's and 90's - but it doesn't surprise me one iota to see this pop up in Moonachie, a practical joke of a town, someone stuck a residential neighborhood smack in the middle of an industrial district and an airport. Nasty town.
That takes me back to wondering why he was living there. Close to the stadium, but so is Harmon Cove. And he can afford that. Friend of mine lived there in the 80's and used to play pick-up basketball with Andy Headen and William Roberts, who also lived there at the time.
It IS weird. Players live in my hometown, Little Ferry from time to time - there are decent condo and apartment complexes there - still, not really that nice. If I was a Giant, I'd go up 17 - Ridgewood, Allendale, Ramsey... somewhere nice.
Moonachie? BLECCH!
Funny you should say Ridgewood. They just won the Group 5 North FB title with Jeff Feagle's son a star RB and punter. He's committed to Miami as a punter next year. IIRC, didn't Philipi Sparks live in Ridgewood while he was playing?
Don't know what part of upstate you were in - I DO believe that up to Middletown is still kind of part of NYC Metro... I'm out in Binghamton, waaay out.
There are a not insignificant number of people commuting by train and car from Middletown to Manhattan daily, so I'd say it's on the border of NYC/Metro.
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I'm not about suppressing any kind of speech, no matter if they are hate speech that are hurtful, especially to younger people, which is unfortunate.
With that in mind, I'm also a believer in allowing people to burn the flag as a form of free speech. To argue for allowing hate speech while arguing for banning flag burning seems to be contradictory. And I've seen people make that exact argument with suppressing hate speech as the pussification of America and too much political correctness while allowing flag burning as unpatriotic and treasonous.
Ronnie supports burning things. I'm shocked.
Surprised it took this long for someone to point that out.