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DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 9:08 am
Rule 5 is currently going on
So are Marlins...heavily  
superspynyg : 12/8/2016 9:09 am : link
Who would u rather get him Nats or Marlins?
Yankees  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 9:09 am : link
got pillaged, 3 guys taken round one.
Def want him on marlins  
Shecky : 12/8/2016 9:11 am : link
Wise panic in DC if he swings and misses again lol
RE: Yankees  
Justlurking : 12/8/2016 9:12 am : link
In comment 13254487 DanMetroMan said:
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got pillaged, 3 guys taken round one.


Was expected. Not much you can do about it. Webb is going to get taken as well. At least they get a pick though.
We  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 9:12 am : link
kept both Evans and Sewald
Torrens  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 9:14 am : link
isn't going to stick, that would be nuts.
Waiting for the  
Shecky : 12/8/2016 9:14 am : link
"Mets too cheap to spend $100k on _____" in 3,2,1
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DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 9:16 am : link
Teams took more lower level long shots than usual. Interesting.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 9:24 am : link
The #Mariners select LHP Paul Paez from the #Mets

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Mike in NY : 12/8/2016 9:25 am : link
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Teams took more lower level long shots than usual. Interesting.


If rosters are expanded that would give more of a chance to gamble on a Rule V guy with upside
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pjcas18 : 12/8/2016 9:27 am : link
In comment 13254529 DanMetroMan said:
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The #Mariners select LHP Paul Paez from the #Mets


I had to look him up, a 5' 7" 210 pound pitcher? LOL, sounds funny, like a Bartolo Colon mini-me.
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section125 : 12/8/2016 9:29 am : link
In comment 13254531 Mike in NY said:
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Teams took more lower level long shots than usual. Interesting.



If rosters are expanded that would give more of a chance to gamble on a Rule V guy with upside


Roster expansion was not agreed to in the new CBA. Still 25 April to Aug 31st and 40 Sept 1st on...
White Sox selection of Covey was interesting  
Mike in NY : 12/8/2016 9:29 am : link
Was a 1st Round draft pick out of High School but didn't sign
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 9:30 am : link
Mets lose Adrian Almeida
I hope the Nats strike out on Jansen, too.  
arcarsenal : 12/8/2016 9:36 am : link
That would be excellent.
Would love to  
Metnut : 12/8/2016 9:37 am : link
see the Marlins or an AL team sign Jansen. Please no Dodgers or Nationals.
RE: Torrens  
Justlurking : 12/8/2016 9:37 am : link
In comment 13254498 DanMetroMan said:
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isn't going to stick, that would be nuts.


Seriously, got a mid-season promotion to LOW-A.
Nice!  
ZGiants98 : 12/8/2016 9:42 am : link
Keep Sewald again!
RE: Torrens  
Metnut : 12/8/2016 9:43 am : link
In comment 13254498 DanMetroMan said:
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isn't going to stick, that would be nuts.


Are you sure? The Reds aren't even trying to compete this year and are going to lose 100 games. Why not give up a roster spot, in a year you are tanking anyway, to gain a nice prospect who might be good by the time actually competes again. Seems savvy and a bit Sam Hinkieish IMO.
I think if Evans got selected he would  
ZGiants98 : 12/8/2016 9:43 am : link
he would have had a hard time sticking all year anyway. Sandy seems to have played his hand right again.
RE: RE: Torrens  
Mike in NY : 12/8/2016 9:46 am : link
In comment 13254570 Metnut said:
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isn't going to stick, that would be nuts.



Are you sure? The Reds aren't even trying to compete this year and are going to lose 100 games. Why not give up a roster spot, in a year you are tanking anyway, to gain a nice prospect who might be good by the time actually competes again. Seems savvy and a bit Sam Hinkieish IMO.


They selected a second C in Stuart Turner so maybe one gets flipped to another team or both will compete for backup C job and loser goes back to old team
RE: RE: Torrens  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 9:48 am : link
In comment 13254570 Metnut said:
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isn't going to stick, that would be nuts.



Are you sure? The Reds aren't even trying to compete this year and are going to lose 100 games. Why not give up a roster spot, in a year you are tanking anyway, to gain a nice prospect who might be good by the time actually competes again. Seems savvy and a bit Sam Hinkieish IMO.


He was traded to the Padres but yeah he's not sticking. He's played 40 games above Staten Island and has a career .686 OPS. It would be beyond unusual for a guy to stick an entire season on a 25 man roster after 40 unimpressive (he hit... .230) A ball-games. He's basically be skipping 4 levels having conquered none. Fans love the concept but it literally "never" actually happens. Click the link and see what I mean
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DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 9:54 am : link
me amend that statement... there is a chance the Padres trade to keep him which would allow them to send him down to the minors, that scenario is "possible", a full season on the 25 man roster, bad team or not would be something that really never, ever happens outside of something like Josh Hamilton (but Hamilton had actually shown an ability to hit before he walked away from the game.. + was the #1 overall pick in the draft)
Entire Rule 5 draft results  
Jay on the Island : 12/8/2016 10:39 am : link
Round 1
1. Twins: Miguel Diaz, RHP, Brewers
2. Reds: Luis Torrens, C, Yankees
3. Padres: Allen Cordoba, SS, Cardinals
4. Rays: Kevin Gadea, Mariners
5. Braves: Armando Rivero, RHP, Cubs
6. D-backs: Tyler Jones, RHP, Yankees
7. Brewers: Caleb Smith, LHP, Yankees
8. Angels Justin Haley,RHP, Red Sox
9. White Sox: Dylan Covey, RHP, As
10. Pirates: Tyler Webb, LHP, Yankees
11. Tigers: Daniel Stumpf, LHP, Royals
12. Orioles: Aneury Tavarez, 2B, Red Sox
13. Blue Jays: Glenn Sparkman, RHP, Royals
14. Red Sox: Josh Rutledge, INF, Rockies
15. Indians: Holby Miller, LHP, Phillies
16. Rangers: Michael Hauschild, RHP, Astros

Round 2
17. Reds: Stuart Turner, C, Twins
18. Orioles: Anthony Santander, OF, Indians
If they get Jansen  
Rflairr : 12/8/2016 11:03 am : link
Hopefully they pay a ton for him. Never thought We would see a closer getting 80 mill like Chapman got
AP  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 2:51 pm : link
But last year, there actually were at least two deals for just $1. Often, such moves are done as a courtesy.

The Mets paid San Diego a dollar on May 28 for first baseman James Loney, who was stuck in Triple-A for the Padres but had a chance to play regularly in New York.
..  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 3:33 pm : link
Alderson acknowledged Wednesday that the Mets' payroll, which is hovering around $150 million, is currently an "issue" and will have to go down. The Mets are unlikely to add payroll before moving some dollars, though Alderson insisted that his primary motivation for trading an outfielder is concern over playing time, not finances.

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Metnut : 12/8/2016 3:36 pm : link
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Alderson acknowledged Wednesday that the Mets' payroll, which is hovering around $150 million, is currently an "issue" and will have to go down. The Mets are unlikely to add payroll before moving some dollars, though Alderson insisted that his primary motivation for trading an outfielder is concern over playing time, not finances.


Why is payroll an issue? Attendance was great last year and tickets aren't cheap. Team should be doing everything they can to win a world series.
If that's the case then qualifying Walker was stupid  
Eric on Li : 12/8/2016 3:37 pm : link
that was a big market move for a team that's on a budget. JMO but coming off injury there's no guarantee he's as good as he was last year, and for the 17M he's making that could have been more aggressively in play for 2 players that would have filled bigger needs (Ramos + Ziegler or Holland + Blevins, as examples).
RE: If that's the case then qualifying Walker was stupid  
Metnut : 12/8/2016 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13255528 Eric on Li said:
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that was a big market move for a team that's on a budget. JMO but coming off injury there's no guarantee he's as good as he was last year, and for the 17M he's making that could have been more aggressively in play for 2 players that would have filled bigger needs (Ramos + Ziegler or Holland + Blevins, as examples).


Good post. I agree.
Nice in-depth  
Metnut : 12/8/2016 4:23 pm : link
and really optimistic article on Stephen Matz linked below.

"So lets sum this up: Matz had Tommy John Surgery in 2010, a partially torn lat in 2015, a problematic bone spur in mid 2016, and then finally shoulder impingement to finish 2016. In between these four injuries, he has been an elite pitcher. Low ERA, low FIP, respectable strikeouts, few walks, and weak contact. Injury is his one and only bugaboo up to this point. That said, he had surgery this offseason to remove his bone spur, and all reports to date have stated the surgery has been a success. Im not a doctor, but from what I understand, shoulder impingement is often caused by trapezius muscles being too strong, and considering Matz history with muscle problems in his back, perhaps these issues are related. If that is the case, hopefully this latest round of treatment will finally cure that problem."
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DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 4:39 pm : link
case for McCutchen
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DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 4:43 pm : link
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Sounds like Cubs are close to a one-year deal with Koji Uehara in the $6 million range.
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Metnut : 12/8/2016 5:16 pm : link
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I'll take the over on the "82-84" win projection he cited for the Mets.
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arcarsenal : 12/8/2016 5:31 pm : link
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Alderson acknowledged Wednesday that the Mets' payroll, which is hovering around $150 million, is currently an "issue" and will have to go down. The Mets are unlikely to add payroll before moving some dollars, though Alderson insisted that his primary motivation for trading an outfielder is concern over playing time, not finances.


Sucks. It's nice that payroll is back in the vicinity where it should be, but when you're this close to being a contender, now is a really bad time to penny pinch.

Wish we had more takers on Bruce. Doesn't sound like there's much of a market. I also agree that qualifying Walker was a bad idea if we were going to hit a threshold where we have to clear salary before we can add any more.
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Eric on Li : 12/8/2016 6:38 pm : link
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Sounds like Cubs are close to a one-year deal with Koji Uehara in the $6 million range.


Great deal if true. Embarrassing that we have to cut money before being able to make similar moves.
Nightengale has someone reporting it's 4.5M for Uehara  
Eric on Li : 12/8/2016 6:45 pm : link
that's a great signing. Cubs are really solidifying themselves. I stand by what I said prior to the winter meetings when I said locking down Cespedes was 90% of our offseason being a success, it is, but it's enormously frustrating that we pinch pennies other places. Bring Blevins back, add someone else with closing experience like Ziegler, and get whatever you can for Bruce once the smoke clears.
Cardinals  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 7:25 pm : link
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#Nats have made offer to Jansen, met with #Rays about Colome, #WhiteSox about Robertson, per sources:
What about Jay Bruce at 1B?  
csb : 12/11/2016 3:07 pm : link
If the Mets can't get what they want for him, I'd rather hang on to him then give him up for scraps.
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arcarsenal : 12/11/2016 3:11 pm : link
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Great deal if true. Embarrassing that we have to cut money before being able to make similar moves.


Yup. Really embarrassing.
Pardon my ignorance  
SethFromAstoria : 12/11/2016 3:57 pm : link
if i'm missing something....

When he counts the payroll, what I assume he is saying is after going through the massive process of resigning and keeping existing roster players etc, the amount is going to end up at least 15 mil more than last year. The team's priority is to sign as many of the staff as possible, ideally all of them.


Am I wrong?
Yeah so  
SethFromAstoria : 12/11/2016 5:39 pm : link
estimates with Arb

150.3


No doubt he just talks to negotiate. Always has.


Mets (10)

Lucas Duda (5.137) $6.725MM
Rene Rivera (5.070) $2.2MM
Addison Reed (5.001) $10.6MM
Matt Harvey (4.072) $5.2MM
Jeurys Familia (4.030) $8.7MM
Zack Wheeler (3.098) $1.0MM
Josh Edgin (3.097) $800K
Travis dArnaud (3.044) $1.7MM
Wilmer Flores (3.003) $1.9MM
Jacob deGrom (2.139) $4.5MM
They've doubled payroll  
Shecky : 12/11/2016 6:31 pm : link
In about four years. Not sure why people think it's just lip service.
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