He was on NFL network yesterday morning and was talking about JPP and his non contact injury and surgery. And said in his opinion it was due to fatigue and playing too many snaps?
I at first thought HUH? So this morning for shits and giggles decided to look up how much playing time he has had and was honestly shocked at what I found.
Attached is the link to the site I found for the numbers if interested in checking it out.
JPP & OV lead the league at DE in game snaps OV 809 JPP 792 the next two players after them are Mack 731 and Jordon 728 that’s more or less 2 games more played than any other DE in the league.
I also looked into overall playtime both Collins & Jack Rabbit lead the entire league not just by position Collins 866 Jenkins 852.
I am curious what your thoughts are on this, are they being overplayed? I realize the main reason for this is due to the fact our offense can’t stay on the field. But with that said in the past Spags has always used a keep them fresh approach funneling players in some sort of rotation. That obviously is not the same approach he is taking this season.
I am curious what you’re thoughts are on this are these guys getting worn out?
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IDK, could be that the knee injury had more to do with it than fatigue. Could be a combo of both - most likely. Once part of his lower body was compromised, the rest was weakened.
Its one of the reasons why I truly believe that 2017 is really the time where this team can be a true contender. This years team is really a pleasant surprise and a building block for next year.
In the end, was JPP playing too many snaps? Heck yes. But the team had no other choice. The silver lining here is that we get to see what OO and Okwara can do with more snaps to see if they can be viable options for going into next year or if they will need to add more talent to the DE position.
The right semi-awkward move at the right? time. Awkwardness reminded me of Osi's preseason knee injury against the JETS.
Said Clowney had same injury a couple years ago when the doc was with the texans and he practiced 6 weeks after the surgery.
Said Clowney had same injury a couple years ago when the doc was with the texans and he practiced 6 weeks after the surgery.
That's an explanation that makes sense..If he had this going on for awhile, did they MRI it or just stretch it out repeatedly?
In regards to depth how does a team improve it? Obviously through the draft but at least IMV you have to improve what you have and simply can’t do that by not playing the players currently on the roster. Even 10 snaps here and there add up for both starter and backup.
Just my view.
This was probably the beginning pain the doctor was referring to but actually ended up being a hernia.
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And the non-contact injury is bogus since you don't need to be hit in the groin to sustain a groin injury. Hernias especially are something that happens over time. Some men have a weakness in their stomach muscles no matter how in shape they are, its just genetics. Many men have hernias and aren't bothered by them and never know it, others it hurts and effect them so they get surgery. Its pretty cut and dry from everything i've read and been through.
OV is a special breed - gets his $52M and nothing changed. Gotta respect that.
JPP's been in a contract year the last 3 seasons - leaving the field is bad for business.
Yeah that doesn't mean it was caused by the offense... lol. It is absolutely logical to me though that this defense is being worn out by the lack of offense. It's never more apparent than when I watch Dallas. I mean Marinelli has them playing well for sure, but it's the way they play, they play with so much confidence and I have to attribute at least some of that to the confidence in their offense, as well as being able to rest while they are marching up and down the field.
have played a LOT of snaps this year. JPP has had injury
issues in the past. Usually the non-contact variety is more
like an ACL injury, not in this case.
There was limited substitution - generaly only for injuries.
That was at the college level. In the NFL substitution started a bit earlier.
No one complained about over work.
There was limited substitution - generaly only for injuries.
That was at the college level. In the NFL substitution started a bit earlier.
No one complained about over work.
Well, the guys playing football were then were certainly a bit smaller and slower
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Each player generally played 60 minutes - offense, defense and ST.
There was limited substitution - generaly only for injuries.
That was at the college level. In the NFL substitution started a bit earlier.
No one complained about over work.
Well, the guys playing football were then were certainly a bit smaller and slower
And they got equally tired - or at least wore down at about the same rate/time.
That being said, I don't know that it should result in a groin injury. That could have happened anyway.
Seems like Hank, Snacks, OV and JPP have all been banged up
From what I ve heard and read I do believe fatigue is a factor in this injury.
T. O. P. Is a factor as is a lack of quality depth at this position.
injury in game one but the more reps you have the more likely
you could be injured . Its the same way I feel about a
dink and dunk offense the more plays you have to make to
try to score the more chances of something going wrong .
Add in the fact that were are always having to play tight
games and the TOP is wearing the defense down . It showed
last week when Bell said himself the holes got bigger as
the game wore on .
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said very common for DE's because of the way they explode from a three point stance that the muscles between the abdomen and hip flexor becomes weak and results in sports hernia over time. Said that to the athlete it feels like groin pain but its actually a hernia (weakening of wall in abdomen) and that usually the athlete has discomfort for a while before it finally gives but they treat it just as a groin pull and do stretching to deal with.
It isn't actually a weakening in the wall of the abdomen as a regular hernia is. It is more of a tear in the muscle that needs to be repaired, usually in the groin region, and often involves the hip flexor.
In the examples cited here, Tucker played through the pain..Many players do. That is not what you do to a body. Yes, players are known and expected to do that..Pain signals something is wrong..Same with JPP. Unbeknownst to me, he was playing with/through that. Commendable, but not smart..An MRI should have been taken to rule out severity. If it was and it showed no pre-disposition to hurting it further (no guarantees), fine..If they didn't, then shame on them, imv, or if it showed a minor tear and they let him play through it, not good
Whether or not that had anything to do with his injury, who knows.
But the issue created is that now we have to play folks with minimal experience. Backups getting real reps during the game would really have helped them going into Dallas.
It was always a bad idea playing JPP and OV the entire game. Now the Giants will have to pay the piper.
Well anyway, Regardless of whether our O's lack of TOP or ability to sustain drives to keep the defense fresh causes specific injuries or not... it aint good. No sir, aint good at all.
Time will tell....I don't see them gassed yet, they are still playing at a pretty high level.
He used to dog it and complain?