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Tuckrule : 12/8/2016 9:22 am
Looking to purchase a tv 60-65 inch. I dont need all the new technology I just want a great tv for watching sports. I have a 4k tv got it calibrated and its terrible for viewing any motion. Very blurry picture and pixilated. Is plasma the way to go if its specifically for sports?
Plasma is dead  
Scyber : 12/8/2016 9:24 am : link
I love the picture on my plasma TV, but no one makes them anymore. Best picture quality right now is probably OLED, but those are super expensive. LCD screens are starting to catch up to OLED, but they are quite there yet.
Nobody manufactures plasmas anymore?  
Tuckrule : 12/8/2016 9:26 am : link
what specifically do I look for if I'm focusing on motion, is it refresh rate?
RE: Nobody manufactures plasmas anymore?  
UConn4523 : 12/8/2016 9:48 am : link
In comment 13254534 Tuckrule said:
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what specifically do I look for if I'm focusing on motion, is it refresh rate?


Nope, they cost more to make than the cheap tech in LED's so manufacturers stopped making them to increase profit margin.

With LED (4K or no 4K) you need 120hz refresh at the bare minimum but I'd probably go to 240 and play it safe.

I loathe LED technology because it penalizes you for getting a bigger picture unless you spend top of the line money. Mid to low tier units that are big box size usually look like shit for sports.

My 2011 Panasonic Plasma handles sports better than a lot of 2016 LED's, that's pretty unfortunate. I did just get a Samsung UK6300 which I'm hooking up this weekend but I will only be running Netflix on it so I don't have any sports feedback on that for you.

Just do your research and visit a few different stores and ask them to show you their calibrated sets with sports playing on them. Best Buy has a good set up but the good TV's are in the Magnolia section and are usually insanely priced.

Good luck.
I've got a 2006 Pioneer Elite plasma  
Csonka : 12/8/2016 10:02 am : link
Hopefully by the time that goes, they'll have designed something that looks as good again. Amazing that they've gone backwards over 10 years.
RE: I've got a 2006 Pioneer Elite plasma  
UConn4523 : 12/8/2016 10:14 am : link
In comment 13254605 Csonka said:
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Hopefully by the time that goes, they'll have designed something that looks as good again. Amazing that they've gone backwards over 10 years.


Crazy right? Almost every piece of technology that we use in our day to day has gotten exponentially better over the last decade except for Televisions. Sure, there's been updates with resolution (HD and then 4K), but the actual TV's themselves do such a poor job of delivering it. It just isn't affordable for most people to spend $3k or $4k for what should be a pretty generic offering.
surprised that your 4k is a problem  
EricJ : 12/8/2016 10:18 am : link
mine is awesome.
RE: surprised that your 4k is a problem  
UConn4523 : 12/8/2016 10:28 am : link
In comment 13254637 EricJ said:
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mine is awesome.


What make/model is it?

There's a ton of false 4K's out there for anyone reading this thread. Some are even from reputable makers like LG and Vizio. You really have to read up on it because 4K, UHD, and HDR all mean different things. From everything I've read you aren't really getting 4K quality unless you are at 10 bits (most TV's are 8) which is literally like fine print on TV marketing.
I've got this LG 4k TV  
antdog24 : 12/8/2016 11:45 am : link
[url]https://www.cnet.com/products/lg-55uf6450-55-class-54-6-viewable-led-tv/specs/[url]

I have no problems watching football, no blur, 120hz refresh rate. The picture is amazing after calibrating and the TV was $500 at Walmart. Now from what I have read this TV isn't true 4k as it doesn't have the pixel density of a true 4k tv but watching 4k content on it I couldn't really tell, it still looked amazing!
I've got this LG 4k TV  
antdog24 : 12/8/2016 11:46 am : link
[url]https://www.cnet.com/products/lg-55uf6450-55-class-54-6-viewable-led-tv/specs/[url]

I have no problems watching football, no blur, 120hz refresh rate. The picture is amazing after calibrating and the TV was $500 at Walmart. Now from what I have read this TV isn't true 4k as it doesn't have the pixel density of a true 4k tv but watching 4k content on it I couldn't really tell, it still looked amazing!
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here is a good review  
antdog24 : 12/8/2016 11:50 am : link
sorry for the double post...
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The reason they stopped making plasma  
Stan in LA : 12/8/2016 12:11 pm : link
Was that nobody was buying them, even when the prices were cut to well below LED.

That's a fact.
RE: The reason they stopped making plasma  
UConn4523 : 12/8/2016 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13255008 Stan in LA said:
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Was that nobody was buying them, even when the prices were cut to well below LED.

That's a fact.


It isn't, you've been proven wrong countless times about countless things. Pricepoints on all TV's drop and they couldn't compete with LED prices without taking a loss, hence no longer making them. Plasma's tech basically perfected uniformity with lighting which was costly.

Once again Business 101 will teach you this.
here, I'll let someone else educate you  
UConn4523 : 12/8/2016 12:27 pm : link
"The reason so many companies are dropping plasma has little to do with the technology itself. Rather, as LCD models have gotten better and cheaper to produce, it’s become less logical for manufactures to build and maintain factories capable of building only large, pricey plasmas."

Its couldn't be any more clear or obvious unless you have an agenda, which you do.
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and another  
UConn4523 : 12/8/2016 12:29 pm : link
about the superior specs
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Plasma  
Jim in Fairfax : 12/8/2016 12:56 pm : link
Plasma was profitable for HDTVs, despite being less popular than LCD TVs. Particularly in larger sets. What finished them was the move to 4K. The sales volumes just weren't high enough to justify spending the R&D on them to upgrade the tech to 4K.
RE: I've got a 2006 Pioneer Elite plasma  
tator : 12/8/2016 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13254605 Csonka said:
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Hopefully by the time that goes, they'll have designed something that looks as good again. Amazing that they've gone backwards over 10 years.


I have/had that same great TV.. Unfortunately mine has died.. and you cant get parts for it anymore and if you can, it costs way to much.
Just recently, it started to drop the video in all my HDMI ports. What a shame.. I loved that TV
RE: I've got this LG 4k TV  
26.2 : 12/8/2016 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13254903 antdog24 said:
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[url]https://www.cnet.com/products/lg-55uf6450-55-class-54-6-viewable-led-tv/specs/[url]

I have no problems watching football, no blur, 120hz refresh rate. The picture is amazing after calibrating and the TV was $500 at Walmart. Now from what I have read this TV isn't true 4k as it doesn't have the pixel density of a true 4k tv but watching 4k content on it I couldn't really tell, it still looked amazing! Link - ( New Window )


I just purchased the 49 inch model of this TV about 2 weeks ago. It is awesome.
How much are you looking to spend?  
BH28 : 12/8/2016 3:58 pm : link
the OLD LGs are awesome. True blacks and none of that motion blur crap. Problem is the 65" is going to be in the $3500 range. You can get a 55" 1080p one for cheap.
looking to spend about 2k max  
Tuckrule : 12/8/2016 4:09 pm : link
I don't need smart features or any of that. I just want a tv without motion blur. how much would the 1080p version be and why is it cheaper ?
Dell is doing a sale on the LG OLED tv's  
aimrocky : 12/8/2016 4:22 pm : link
it was cheaper on Black Friday, but the 55" is down to $2400 w/ a blu-ray player. Here's a link.
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RE: looking to spend about 2k max  
UConn4523 : 12/8/2016 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13255585 Tuckrule said:
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I don't need smart features or any of that. I just want a tv without motion blur. how much would the 1080p version be and why is it cheaper ?


Smart features don't really up the price and they are standard now anyway. You are paying for the better resolution the higher in price you go.
I've had a Panasonic plasma since 2007  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2016 4:31 pm : link
I'm going to be very sad when it dies. The picture is marvelous, particularly the colors.
RE: looking to spend about 2k max  
BH28 : 12/8/2016 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13255585 Tuckrule said:
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I don't need smart features or any of that. I just want a tv without motion blur. how much would the 1080p version be and why is it cheaper ?


the 1080p is cheaper because its max resolution is 1080p as opposed to the 4k versions. That's really the big difference. Unfortunately LG doesn't have anything greater than 55" in 1080p, only 4k. Considering there is no 4k sports TV content yet, you should be fine with the 1080p version. You just wont be able to get above 55" without breaking your budget.

the difference between the OLEDs and LEDS: OLEDS are made up of thousands of individually lit pixels. Each pixel has the ability to turn off or on which gives you true black ranges. With LEDs, they are either side lit or back lit which means they can only turn off a certain area, not an individual pixel, to create blacks which gives you that washed out look.

It's also a smart TV; these days they don't make anything that isn't a smart TV. I never use the features.
BH  
Tuckrule : 12/8/2016 5:07 pm : link
Thanks for the input much appreciated.
Basically my best bet is to get that 55 inch tv. I just wish they still made plasmas. They clearly have the best picture but oh well. Thanks a lot guys
You have to watch  
halfback20 : 12/8/2016 5:15 pm : link
With refresh rates too. Companies have stopped putting the actual refresh rate on the box and instead put things like "clear motion rate" (samsung does that) for example, Samsungs "clear motion rate" of 120 is actually a 60hz refresh rate. So if you get a samsung 4ktv, make sure the clear motion rate is at least 240.

Basically, whatever samsungs clear motion rate is, the actual refresh rate is half that.
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