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DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 9:43 am
Jackson criticized Anthony for being a ball stopper in an interview with CBS Sports Network Tuesday. The timing was curious since the Knicks had won four in a row before last night’s loss to Cleveland, and Anthony had been playing well.


“I don’t even know what was said to be honest with you,” Anthony said. “I just don’t even want to talk about that, what he’s talking about exactly. I want to stay away from that at this point. My focus is my teammates and winning. We’ve been playing great basketball and that’s the only thing I’m focused on.

“Whatever Phil said he said it. I have nothing to say about that.”

When Anthony was first asked about it, he uncharacteristically abruptly ended the interview.
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RE: i dont understand how fans of a team  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 5:08 pm : link
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watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..

same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?

well now that you mentioned it, the Knicks rank 27th in defense and they've allowed the most second chance points in the league. Is that a recipe for success?
RE: RE: i dont understand how fans of a team  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 5:09 pm : link
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watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..

same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?



Just speaking for myself... Noah has been SO bad that it's hard to ignore. I mean at the foul line he almost looks like he's not sure if he's righty or lefty. I know his form has always been weird but good lord. I love watching the Knicks but I've gotten to the point I hate seeing him on the floor and he actively bothers me (and again I used to be a big fan). I'm not a huge Thomas fan either but he has played better.


dan i was not referring to you because i know in the end of noah plays well and the knicks win you are not going to come on here and say how the team is going nowhere, you are happy with the win...

RE: RE: i dont understand how fans of a team  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 5:10 pm : link
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watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..

same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?


well now that you mentioned it, the Knicks rank 27th in defense and they've allowed the most second chance points in the league. Is that a recipe for success?


my point exactly
RE: RE: RE: knicks own holidays rights  
Aspano! : 12/8/2016 5:10 pm : link
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they can easily bring him back


you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?



Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.


And I don't think you know the difference between Bird Rights and Early Bird Rights. Either that, or you're confusing the two.
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 5:12 pm : link
will say this about Lance Thomas, his entire game looks like a player with limited physical gifts who worked really, really hard to be a solid NBA player, so for that he deserves props.
RE: RE: i dont understand how fans of a team  
Keith : 12/8/2016 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13255673 DanMetroMan said:
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watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..

same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?



Just speaking for myself... Noah has been SO bad that it's hard to ignore. I mean at the foul line he almost looks like he's not sure if he's righty or lefty. I know his form has always been weird but good lord. I love watching the Knicks but I've gotten to the point I hate seeing him on the floor and he actively bothers me (and again I used to be a big fan). I'm not a huge Thomas fan either but he has played better.


He should shoot underhand. I know it's ugly, but it can't be as ugly as his normal "shot".
RE: RE: RE: knicks own holidays rights  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 5:16 pm : link
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they can easily bring him back


you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?



Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.

league average salary for current season is likely going to be higher than that based on cap spike.
RE: RE: RE: i dont understand how fans of a team  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 5:17 pm : link
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watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..

same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?


well now that you mentioned it, the Knicks rank 27th in defense and they've allowed the most second chance points in the league. Is that a recipe for success?



my point exactly

must be nice to stick your head in the sand and think everything is going swell.
RE: I  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13255687 DanMetroMan said:
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will say this about Lance Thomas, his entire game looks like a player with limited physical gifts who worked really, really hard to be a solid NBA player, so for that he deserves props.

if he wasn't so useless when it comes to rebounding he would be much more tolerable.
RE: Great  
Deej : 12/8/2016 5:18 pm : link
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read on Morey Link - ( New Window )


Morey gets too much press for a guy who has put together one conference finals team in a decade. He's done a good job, but good god does he get great press.
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DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 5:19 pm : link
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Morey gets too much press for a guy who has put together one conference finals team in a decade. He's done a good job, but good god does he get great press.


I just found it to be a fascinating read vs. really caring about Morey.
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Aspano! : 12/8/2016 5:19 pm : link
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they can easily bring him back


you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?



Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.


league average salary for current season is likely going to be higher than that based on cap spike.


The league average salary for this year is $5.2M. It's not the projected cap, it's the average of this year's contracts. The number can be calculated right now.
no i just dont rip the team every chance i get  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 5:20 pm : link
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DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 5:20 pm : link
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will say this about Lance Thomas, his entire game looks like a player with limited physical gifts who worked really, really hard to be a solid NBA player, so for that he deserves props.


if he wasn't so useless when it comes to rebounding he would be much more tolerable.


Agreed. As I said I'm admittedly not a big fan of his. Just strikes me as a guy who turned himself into an NBA player.
I actually feel bad for Enzo,  
Keith : 12/8/2016 5:21 pm : link
he seems so angry and upset. Even when things are going well he wants to see the bad. It's sad actually. I'd like to get him a holiday present in the hopes that it makes him happy......




I'll even get it with Grants name on the back!


RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: knicks own holidays rights  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 5:28 pm : link
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they can easily bring him back


you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?



Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.


league average salary for current season is likely going to be higher than that based on cap spike.



The league average salary for this year is $5.2M. It's not the projected cap, it's the average of this year's contracts. The number can be calculated right now.

per the FAQ, league average salary for last season was $5.9 m. With huge contracts signed for this season, average for this season is sure to be higher. Plus, they don't even know the exact number until after the moratorium.
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enzo, the only reason you are mad  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 5:30 pm : link
is because the knicks are not building the team the way you want them to build the team for the future..

fact is you have no idea which way is best and you have no idea what the future holds and you wont admit that an just stick to the narrative that they are doing it wrong...

RE: no i just dont rip the team every chance i get  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 5:32 pm : link
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neither do I. But I also have little tolerance for crap like "Phil has done an amazing job" and "we have so much cap space!". And yeah, I've been a fan of several of Phil's moves (Lee, Lopez, O'Quinn) and I've said as much several times.
RE: enzo, the only reason you are mad  
Deej : 12/8/2016 5:35 pm : link
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is because the knicks are not building the team the way you want them to build the team for the future..

fact is you have no idea which way is best and you have no idea what the future holds and you wont admit that an just stick to the narrative that they are doing it wrong...


I have some idea of what the future holds for the back end of the Noah deal. I can project what is likely based on experience and precedent. It is silly to pretend otherwise.
I wouldnt call Holiday  
Deej : 12/8/2016 5:39 pm : link
and "good rotation piece" at this point. He doesnt get a minute of run on the top teams, barring injuries. Someone may give him real term this offseason because there is so much money to be spent just to get to the cap floor and because he's got components of a good game. But he's not a guy Im looking for give 3-4 years to, or 5 million to.

Im not down on JH. He is fine. I would like to see how he develops this season. I could change my tune after 60 games.
RE: RE: enzo, the only reason you are mad  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 5:39 pm : link
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is because the knicks are not building the team the way you want them to build the team for the future..

fact is you have no idea which way is best and you have no idea what the future holds and you wont admit that an just stick to the narrative that they are doing it wrong...




I have some idea of what the future holds for the back end of the Noah deal. I can project what is likely based on experience and precedent. It is silly to pretend otherwise.


but we really dont know, the new cba could have an amnesty and they cut him...

maybe science comes out with youth potion ☺
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Aspano! : 12/8/2016 5:43 pm : link
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they can easily bring him back


you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?



Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.


league average salary for current season is likely going to be higher than that based on cap spike.



The league average salary for this year is $5.2M. It's not the projected cap, it's the average of this year's contracts. The number can be calculated right now.


per the FAQ, league average salary for last season was $5.9 m. With huge contracts signed for this season, average for this season is sure to be higher. Plus, they don't even know the exact number until after the moratorium. Link - ( New Window )


Fair enough. I was going by the bball-ref estimate of 2016-17 avg. salaries, which was calculated at $5.28M.
For the record  
Keith : 12/8/2016 5:45 pm : link
I only say phil has been amazing to get under your skin. I think he's been solid.

You've been bashing every move since the day phil took over before anyone said he's been great, don't pretend you are just fighting the good fight.
RE: RE: RE: enzo, the only reason you are mad  
Deej : 12/8/2016 5:47 pm : link
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is because the knicks are not building the team the way you want them to build the team for the future..

fact is you have no idea which way is best and you have no idea what the future holds and you wont admit that an just stick to the narrative that they are doing it wrong...




I have some idea of what the future holds for the back end of the Noah deal. I can project what is likely based on experience and precedent. It is silly to pretend otherwise.



but we really dont know, the new cba could have an amnesty and they cut him...

maybe science comes out with youth potion ☺


Last I read, amnesty is unlikely.

Dumb teams roll the dice on injured players over the age of 30. Yes, everything could work out. It is not likely.
Some of you aren't NBA fans  
djm : 12/8/2016 7:27 pm : link
You are salary cap obsessed wack jobs. That goes for the NFL and MLB and NHL too. And don't go on a tirade about how vital cap management is in pro sports, i'm fully aware.

At some point pro sports became one part game one part money and one part worrying and obssessing over salaries. That's why I'll always say the 80s was the best decade of pro sports in American history. It was a perfect marriage of talent, pay, credibility and just enough media coverage without the saturation and social media encapsulation, if that's the right word.

I know I know Noah is overpaid. Make sure to remind everyone of this on every Knicks thread this season.
RE: Some of you aren't NBA fans  
Deej : 12/8/2016 7:33 pm : link
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You are salary cap obsessed wack jobs. That goes for the NFL and MLB and NHL too. And don't go on a tirade about how vital cap management is in pro sports, i'm fully aware.

At some point pro sports became one part game one part money and one part worrying and obssessing over salaries. That's why I'll always say the 80s was the best decade of pro sports in American history. It was a perfect marriage of talent, pay, credibility and just enough media coverage without the saturation and social media encapsulation, if that's the right word.

I know I know Noah is overpaid. Make sure to remind everyone of this on every Knicks thread this season.


And some of you are the sort of "I just want to see them win more now", no plan for the future or viable plan for a title fans who motivate team sports owners to believe that you cant rebuild, and that gets teams stuck in mediocrity loops.
That's a mouthful!  
djm : 12/8/2016 7:52 pm : link
I've been called worse, I think.

I never said everything is coming up roses by any stretch. No one here has yet some insist on saying otherwise.
RE: Some of you aren't NBA fans  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13255850 djm said:
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You are salary cap obsessed wack jobs. That goes for the NFL and MLB and NHL too. And don't go on a tirade about how vital cap management is in pro sports, i'm fully aware.

At some point pro sports became one part game one part money and one part worrying and obssessing over salaries. That's why I'll always say the 80s was the best decade of pro sports in American history. It was a perfect marriage of talent, pay, credibility and just enough media coverage without the saturation and social media encapsulation, if that's the right word.

I know I know Noah is overpaid. Make sure to remind everyone of this on every Knicks thread this season.


You must've been a very good person in your past life in order for God to bless you by being birthed early enough to watch such a golden era of sports!

I mean how fun could sports be if it Ivy League educated nerds are inlfitrating it and finding new ways to think about management and boring stuff!
djm  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 8:34 pm : link
with you all the way.
My mindset is:  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 8:35 pm : link
The Knicks can both win now, change the culture, and still have pieces to build for the future. Jackson has set them up pretty well to do that. And yes, Noah is overpaid. So are most centers in the NBA. Gobert is overpaid too. Don't give me this bullshit that Rudy Gobert deserves 24 million fucking dollars a year.
You know what would  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 8:37 pm : link
have happened if the Knicks signed Rudy Gobert for 24 million a year? They'd go "holy shit...Rudy Gobert??? 24 million?? Jesus." And then, we'd be hoping forever that he'd amount to something other than a very good defensive player.
RE: You know what would  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 8:42 pm : link
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have happened if the Knicks signed Rudy Gobert for 24 million a year? They'd go "holy shit...Rudy Gobert??? 24 million?? Jesus." And then, we'd be hoping forever that he'd amount to something other than a very good defensive player.


No not really. $25M for a guy who is arguably top 5 at his position is fairly reasonable actually.
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ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 8:46 pm : link
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have happened if the Knicks signed Rudy Gobert for 24 million a year? They'd go "holy shit...Rudy Gobert??? 24 million?? Jesus." And then, we'd be hoping forever that he'd amount to something other than a very good defensive player.



No not really. $25M for a guy who is arguably top 5 at his position is fairly reasonable actually.

Bullshit man. You and Dan would be the only Knicks fans happy with that deal then.
Its ok to solicit other peoples opinions  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 8:56 pm : link
when you aren't sure of things.

I just did a simple google search of "top 10 current NBA centers" for you in case you don't trust my analysis (which is fine).

Here is one that ranks him at 7, right behind whiteside, ahead of D12.

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/best-centers-in-the-nba-right-now/

Here is a projection made before the season that had him at #5:

http://www.nba.com/magic/galleries/top-players/nikola-vucevic/projections-rankings-centers-cohen-20160801/

Here is an ESPN ranking of all NBA players. He is ranked at #37, a few spots behind of Gasol, Whiteside and KP and 8 spots ahead of Howard.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank37/nbarank-37-utah-jazz-center-rudy-gobert

Here is a Fansided blog with him at #8:

http://hoopshabit.com/2016/10/21/nba-top-10-centers-2016-17/4/

Here is another NBA.com article with him at #9 ahead of Dwight:

http://www.nba.com/article/2016/10/21/fran-blinebury-ranks-top-centers-2016-17-nba-season

Here is a fansided article with him also at #9 and wait for it.... Also ahead of Dwight!!!:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/ranking-the-nbas-top-10-centers/

Here is SI's top 100 ranking with Gobert at #33. Guess who he is ahead of? C'mon guess! Dwight Howard? Well yes, but guess who else? It's our boy Hassan Whiteside too!!!

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/09/12/nba-top-100-player-rankings

But fucking eye test am I right??!?!
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giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 8:58 pm : link
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have happened if the Knicks signed Rudy Gobert for 24 million a year? They'd go "holy shit...Rudy Gobert??? 24 million?? Jesus." And then, we'd be hoping forever that he'd amount to something other than a very good defensive player.



No not really. $25M for a guy who is arguably top 5 at his position is fairly reasonable actually.


Bullshit man. You and Dan would be the only Knicks fans happy with that deal then.


Fine with me! I tell all of my friends that the worst part of being a Knicks fans is that we have the 2nd dumbest fan base in all of sports (besides the Eagles, of course!).
^ That's not an insult at  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 8:59 pm : link
everyone on this board, btw. The ones who are Giants fans tend to have some sense of what it takes to manage a team properly. Exceptions must be made, however, today especially!
Haha so he's the consensus  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 9:02 pm : link
8th best center in the league? Cool. Guess he's worth every bit of that 25M. C'mon man.
Right,  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 9:04 pm : link
and if I was trying to manage a team properly I wouldn't give Rudy Gobert 25M per season. That being said, probably wouldn't give Noah 17M either.
RE: Haha so he's the consensus  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 9:09 pm : link
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8th best center in the league? Cool. Guess he's worth every bit of that 25M. C'mon man.


Previously you said it was a joke to compare him in the same class as D12, Whiteside and Horford yet any professional sports writer I find ranks him consistently ahead of D12 and right behind whiteside (remember these rankings were done prior to the start of the season and Gobert has shown vast improvements already).

He is 24.

Whiteside is 27.

D12 is 31

Horford is 30.

Gobert makes $2M a year more than D12, $2M less a year than whiteside and $5M a year less than Horford.

Don't see the big complaint with him. He is just entering his prime, getting better every year (not worse like D12) and is making on par what those guys are making
I don't really have a complaint about him  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 9:15 pm : link
as like..a NBA center. I said he's a good center, a very good defensive player. But he sure is shit isn't worth 25 million bucks, and he's not this dominant force you guys are making him out to be. Hell I'd rather have Robin Lopez for 12 million over this guy, and I don't like Lopez all that much.
RE: I don't really have a complaint about him  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 9:25 pm : link
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as like..a NBA center. I said he's a good center, a very good defensive player. But he sure is shit isn't worth 25 million bucks, and he's not this dominant force you guys are making him out to be. Hell I'd rather have Robin Lopez for 12 million over this guy, and I don't like Lopez all that much.


You're also still trying to comprehend the complexity of the FG % stat so I don't weight your opinion that much.

Honest question (and I doubt I'd receive an honest response), have you ever played basketball? Even at a pickup level? I'm not one of those people who dismisses other people's opinions just because they haven't played a sport in some capacity but here's one of those cases it seems like exceptions have to be made.
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ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 9:31 pm : link
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as like..a NBA center. I said he's a good center, a very good defensive player. But he sure is shit isn't worth 25 million bucks, and he's not this dominant force you guys are making him out to be. Hell I'd rather have Robin Lopez for 12 million over this guy, and I don't like Lopez all that much.



You're also still trying to comprehend the complexity of the FG % stat so I don't weight your opinion that much.

Honest question (and I doubt I'd receive an honest response), have you ever played basketball? Even at a pickup level? I'm not one of those people who dismisses other people's opinions just because they haven't played a sport in some capacity but here's one of those cases it seems like exceptions have to be made.

You really are a prick dude. Yes, I've "played basketball." In high school and in college. I played Division 3 basketball...does that count enough for you?
Your completely  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 9:35 pm : link
twisting my comment about FG% to make yourself look funny and cute but your just making yourself look like a complete fucking dickhead. I said it's not hard to shoot 60% from the field when you take 6 shots a game that are all dunks and layups. On the flipside, it is hard to shoot a high percentage when you're a wing player, and I'd wager that Gobert's FG% will come down, and Winslow's will go up. If you want to talk "efficiency" sure - they average the same amount of points per game and Gobert takes less shots. That's cause he's a fucking center, and he makes dunks for a living. He's extremely limited offensively and he always will be.
And yes  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 9:37 pm : link
the "eye test" still fucking applies to sports, and ya know, watching people play. If nobody ever used it, we could just draft players based on stats and efficiency rating and +/- and whatever other fucking stats you want to throw out.
You guys have sucked Gobert's  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 9:41 pm : link
dick all day on here, because hey you're the only ones that watch the NBA and are allowed to have an opinion right? Fuck off.
Just like you guys  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 9:43 pm : link
are allowed to disagree and call people idiots, I'm allowed to do the same if you think Rudy Gobert is worth 25M a year.
Are you going to ask  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 9:44 pm : link
every poster on here if they've ever played football too? Jesus christ man, you're a real asshole.
There's zero reason for this thread to keep going at this point.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/8/2016 9:46 pm : link
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giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 9:47 pm : link
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as like..a NBA center. I said he's a good center, a very good defensive player. But he sure is shit isn't worth 25 million bucks, and he's not this dominant force you guys are making him out to be. Hell I'd rather have Robin Lopez for 12 million over this guy, and I don't like Lopez all that much.



You're also still trying to comprehend the complexity of the FG % stat so I don't weight your opinion that much.

Honest question (and I doubt I'd receive an honest response), have you ever played basketball? Even at a pickup level? I'm not one of those people who dismisses other people's opinions just because they haven't played a sport in some capacity but here's one of those cases it seems like exceptions have to be made.


You really are a prick dude. Yes, I've "played basketball." In high school and in college. I played Division 3 basketball...does that count enough for you?


Great so you'd understand how a guy that has a 7'6" wingspan covering your ass everytime you got beat behind you would change the perplexing of how you'd play defense. So yes, even though he's not skilled on offense he has a big enough of impact on the game for him to warrant what he's making. Any team with cap space would've given him $25M in a year where Dwight is making $22M.
Only time will tell if Phil's comments will help or hurt  
steve in ky : 12/9/2016 10:48 pm : link
He obviously is smart enough to know what he was doing and must have felt that using the media to motivate Melo would be a net gain.

Sure Melo is upset, and who could blame him, but that still doesn't mean that he doesn't try hard to "prove" Phil wrong. It will have to be in his mind moving forward that everyone watching him when he is holding the ball and going solo will also be thinking about Phil's comments. We may just see an improved Melo if for no other reason to prove Phil wasn't right about him.

But Phil does run the risk of losing the team and it backfiring.

Time will tell.
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