Jackson criticized Anthony for being a ball stopper in an interview with CBS Sports Network Tuesday. The timing was curious since the Knicks had won four in a row before last night’s loss to Cleveland, and Anthony had been playing well.
“I don’t even know what was said to be honest with you,” Anthony said. “I just don’t even want to talk about that, what he’s talking about exactly. I want to stay away from that at this point. My focus is my teammates and winning. We’ve been playing great basketball and that’s the only thing I’m focused on.
“Whatever Phil said he said it. I have nothing to say about that.”
When Anthony was first asked about it, he uncharacteristically abruptly ended the interview.
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same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?
well now that you mentioned it, the Knicks rank 27th in defense and they've allowed the most second chance points in the league. Is that a recipe for success?
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watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..
same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?
Just speaking for myself... Noah has been SO bad that it's hard to ignore. I mean at the foul line he almost looks like he's not sure if he's righty or lefty. I know his form has always been weird but good lord. I love watching the Knicks but I've gotten to the point I hate seeing him on the floor and he actively bothers me (and again I used to be a big fan). I'm not a huge Thomas fan either but he has played better.
dan i was not referring to you because i know in the end of noah plays well and the knicks win you are not going to come on here and say how the team is going nowhere, you are happy with the win...
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watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..
same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?
well now that you mentioned it, the Knicks rank 27th in defense and they've allowed the most second chance points in the league. Is that a recipe for success?
my point exactly
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they can easily bring him back
you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?
Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.
And I don't think you know the difference between Bird Rights and Early Bird Rights. Either that, or you're confusing the two.
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watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..
same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?
Just speaking for myself... Noah has been SO bad that it's hard to ignore. I mean at the foul line he almost looks like he's not sure if he's righty or lefty. I know his form has always been weird but good lord. I love watching the Knicks but I've gotten to the point I hate seeing him on the floor and he actively bothers me (and again I used to be a big fan). I'm not a huge Thomas fan either but he has played better.
He should shoot underhand. I know it's ugly, but it can't be as ugly as his normal "shot".
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they can easily bring him back
you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?
Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.
league average salary for current season is likely going to be higher than that based on cap spike.
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watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..
same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?
well now that you mentioned it, the Knicks rank 27th in defense and they've allowed the most second chance points in the league. Is that a recipe for success?
my point exactly
must be nice to stick your head in the sand and think everything is going swell.
if he wasn't so useless when it comes to rebounding he would be much more tolerable.
Morey gets too much press for a guy who has put together one conference finals team in a decade. He's done a good job, but good god does he get great press.
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Morey gets too much press for a guy who has put together one conference finals team in a decade. He's done a good job, but good god does he get great press.
I just found it to be a fascinating read vs. really caring about Morey.
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they can easily bring him back
you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?
Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.
league average salary for current season is likely going to be higher than that based on cap spike.
The league average salary for this year is $5.2M. It's not the projected cap, it's the average of this year's contracts. The number can be calculated right now.
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will say this about Lance Thomas, his entire game looks like a player with limited physical gifts who worked really, really hard to be a solid NBA player, so for that he deserves props.
if he wasn't so useless when it comes to rebounding he would be much more tolerable.
Agreed. As I said I'm admittedly not a big fan of his. Just strikes me as a guy who turned himself into an NBA player.
I'll even get it with Grants name on the back!
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they can easily bring him back
you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?
Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.
league average salary for current season is likely going to be higher than that based on cap spike.
The league average salary for this year is $5.2M. It's not the projected cap, it's the average of this year's contracts. The number can be calculated right now.
per the FAQ, league average salary for last season was $5.9 m. With huge contracts signed for this season, average for this season is sure to be higher. Plus, they don't even know the exact number until after the moratorium.
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fact is you have no idea which way is best and you have no idea what the future holds and you wont admit that an just stick to the narrative that they are doing it wrong...
neither do I. But I also have little tolerance for crap like "Phil has done an amazing job" and "we have so much cap space!". And yeah, I've been a fan of several of Phil's moves (Lee, Lopez, O'Quinn) and I've said as much several times.
fact is you have no idea which way is best and you have no idea what the future holds and you wont admit that an just stick to the narrative that they are doing it wrong...
I have some idea of what the future holds for the back end of the Noah deal. I can project what is likely based on experience and precedent. It is silly to pretend otherwise.
Im not down on JH. He is fine. I would like to see how he develops this season. I could change my tune after 60 games.
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is because the knicks are not building the team the way you want them to build the team for the future..
fact is you have no idea which way is best and you have no idea what the future holds and you wont admit that an just stick to the narrative that they are doing it wrong...
I have some idea of what the future holds for the back end of the Noah deal. I can project what is likely based on experience and precedent. It is silly to pretend otherwise.
but we really dont know, the new cba could have an amnesty and they cut him...
maybe science comes out with youth potion ☺
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they can easily bring him back
you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?
Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.
league average salary for current season is likely going to be higher than that based on cap spike.
The league average salary for this year is $5.2M. It's not the projected cap, it's the average of this year's contracts. The number can be calculated right now.
per the FAQ, league average salary for last season was $5.9 m. With huge contracts signed for this season, average for this season is sure to be higher. Plus, they don't even know the exact number until after the moratorium. Link - ( New Window )
Fair enough. I was going by the bball-ref estimate of 2016-17 avg. salaries, which was calculated at $5.28M.
You've been bashing every move since the day phil took over before anyone said he's been great, don't pretend you are just fighting the good fight.
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is because the knicks are not building the team the way you want them to build the team for the future..
fact is you have no idea which way is best and you have no idea what the future holds and you wont admit that an just stick to the narrative that they are doing it wrong...
I have some idea of what the future holds for the back end of the Noah deal. I can project what is likely based on experience and precedent. It is silly to pretend otherwise.
but we really dont know, the new cba could have an amnesty and they cut him...
maybe science comes out with youth potion ☺
Last I read, amnesty is unlikely.
Dumb teams roll the dice on injured players over the age of 30. Yes, everything could work out. It is not likely.
At some point pro sports became one part game one part money and one part worrying and obssessing over salaries. That's why I'll always say the 80s was the best decade of pro sports in American history. It was a perfect marriage of talent, pay, credibility and just enough media coverage without the saturation and social media encapsulation, if that's the right word.
I know I know Noah is overpaid. Make sure to remind everyone of this on every Knicks thread this season.
At some point pro sports became one part game one part money and one part worrying and obssessing over salaries. That's why I'll always say the 80s was the best decade of pro sports in American history. It was a perfect marriage of talent, pay, credibility and just enough media coverage without the saturation and social media encapsulation, if that's the right word.
I know I know Noah is overpaid. Make sure to remind everyone of this on every Knicks thread this season.
And some of you are the sort of "I just want to see them win more now", no plan for the future or viable plan for a title fans who motivate team sports owners to believe that you cant rebuild, and that gets teams stuck in mediocrity loops.
I never said everything is coming up roses by any stretch. No one here has yet some insist on saying otherwise.
At some point pro sports became one part game one part money and one part worrying and obssessing over salaries. That's why I'll always say the 80s was the best decade of pro sports in American history. It was a perfect marriage of talent, pay, credibility and just enough media coverage without the saturation and social media encapsulation, if that's the right word.
I know I know Noah is overpaid. Make sure to remind everyone of this on every Knicks thread this season.
You must've been a very good person in your past life in order for God to bless you by being birthed early enough to watch such a golden era of sports!
I mean how fun could sports be if it Ivy League educated nerds are inlfitrating it and finding new ways to think about management and boring stuff!
No not really. $25M for a guy who is arguably top 5 at his position is fairly reasonable actually.
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have happened if the Knicks signed Rudy Gobert for 24 million a year? They'd go "holy shit...Rudy Gobert??? 24 million?? Jesus." And then, we'd be hoping forever that he'd amount to something other than a very good defensive player.
No not really. $25M for a guy who is arguably top 5 at his position is fairly reasonable actually.
Bullshit man. You and Dan would be the only Knicks fans happy with that deal then.
I just did a simple google search of "top 10 current NBA centers" for you in case you don't trust my analysis (which is fine).
Here is one that ranks him at 7, right behind whiteside, ahead of D12.
http://uproxx.com/dimemag/best-centers-in-the-nba-right-now/
Here is a projection made before the season that had him at #5:
http://www.nba.com/magic/galleries/top-players/nikola-vucevic/projections-rankings-centers-cohen-20160801/
Here is an ESPN ranking of all NBA players. He is ranked at #37, a few spots behind of Gasol, Whiteside and KP and 8 spots ahead of Howard.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank37/nbarank-37-utah-jazz-center-rudy-gobert
Here is a Fansided blog with him at #8:
http://hoopshabit.com/2016/10/21/nba-top-10-centers-2016-17/4/
Here is another NBA.com article with him at #9 ahead of Dwight:
http://www.nba.com/article/2016/10/21/fran-blinebury-ranks-top-centers-2016-17-nba-season
Here is a fansided article with him also at #9 and wait for it.... Also ahead of Dwight!!!:
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/ranking-the-nbas-top-10-centers/
Here is SI's top 100 ranking with Gobert at #33. Guess who he is ahead of? C'mon guess! Dwight Howard? Well yes, but guess who else? It's our boy Hassan Whiteside too!!!
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/09/12/nba-top-100-player-rankings
But fucking eye test am I right??!?!
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have happened if the Knicks signed Rudy Gobert for 24 million a year? They'd go "holy shit...Rudy Gobert??? 24 million?? Jesus." And then, we'd be hoping forever that he'd amount to something other than a very good defensive player.
No not really. $25M for a guy who is arguably top 5 at his position is fairly reasonable actually.
Bullshit man. You and Dan would be the only Knicks fans happy with that deal then.
Fine with me! I tell all of my friends that the worst part of being a Knicks fans is that we have the 2nd dumbest fan base in all of sports (besides the Eagles, of course!).
Previously you said it was a joke to compare him in the same class as D12, Whiteside and Horford yet any professional sports writer I find ranks him consistently ahead of D12 and right behind whiteside (remember these rankings were done prior to the start of the season and Gobert has shown vast improvements already).
He is 24.
Whiteside is 27.
D12 is 31
Horford is 30.
Gobert makes $2M a year more than D12, $2M less a year than whiteside and $5M a year less than Horford.
Don't see the big complaint with him. He is just entering his prime, getting better every year (not worse like D12) and is making on par what those guys are making
You're also still trying to comprehend the complexity of the FG % stat so I don't weight your opinion that much.
Honest question (and I doubt I'd receive an honest response), have you ever played basketball? Even at a pickup level? I'm not one of those people who dismisses other people's opinions just because they haven't played a sport in some capacity but here's one of those cases it seems like exceptions have to be made.
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as like..a NBA center. I said he's a good center, a very good defensive player. But he sure is shit isn't worth 25 million bucks, and he's not this dominant force you guys are making him out to be. Hell I'd rather have Robin Lopez for 12 million over this guy, and I don't like Lopez all that much.
You're also still trying to comprehend the complexity of the FG % stat so I don't weight your opinion that much.
Honest question (and I doubt I'd receive an honest response), have you ever played basketball? Even at a pickup level? I'm not one of those people who dismisses other people's opinions just because they haven't played a sport in some capacity but here's one of those cases it seems like exceptions have to be made.
You really are a prick dude. Yes, I've "played basketball." In high school and in college. I played Division 3 basketball...does that count enough for you?
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as like..a NBA center. I said he's a good center, a very good defensive player. But he sure is shit isn't worth 25 million bucks, and he's not this dominant force you guys are making him out to be. Hell I'd rather have Robin Lopez for 12 million over this guy, and I don't like Lopez all that much.
You're also still trying to comprehend the complexity of the FG % stat so I don't weight your opinion that much.
Honest question (and I doubt I'd receive an honest response), have you ever played basketball? Even at a pickup level? I'm not one of those people who dismisses other people's opinions just because they haven't played a sport in some capacity but here's one of those cases it seems like exceptions have to be made.
You really are a prick dude. Yes, I've "played basketball." In high school and in college. I played Division 3 basketball...does that count enough for you?
Great so you'd understand how a guy that has a 7'6" wingspan covering your ass everytime you got beat behind you would change the perplexing of how you'd play defense. So yes, even though he's not skilled on offense he has a big enough of impact on the game for him to warrant what he's making. Any team with cap space would've given him $25M in a year where Dwight is making $22M.
Sure Melo is upset, and who could blame him, but that still doesn't mean that he doesn't try hard to "prove" Phil wrong. It will have to be in his mind moving forward that everyone watching him when he is holding the ball and going solo will also be thinking about Phil's comments. We may just see an improved Melo if for no other reason to prove Phil wasn't right about him.
But Phil does run the risk of losing the team and it backfiring.
Time will tell.