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DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 9:43 am
Jackson criticized Anthony for being a ball stopper in an interview with CBS Sports Network Tuesday. The timing was curious since the Knicks had won four in a row before last night’s loss to Cleveland, and Anthony had been playing well.


“I don’t even know what was said to be honest with you,” Anthony said. “I just don’t even want to talk about that, what he’s talking about exactly. I want to stay away from that at this point. My focus is my teammates and winning. We’ve been playing great basketball and that’s the only thing I’m focused on.

“Whatever Phil said he said it. I have nothing to say about that.”

When Anthony was first asked about it, he uncharacteristically abruptly ended the interview.
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Phil has always loved the sound of his own voice.  
Heisenberg : 12/8/2016 9:44 am : link
It's ridiculous that Melo has to answer this shit.
He's  
Ron Johnson : 12/8/2016 9:53 am : link
currently stopping the ball at the rate of 22 point per game.
i agree phil has to shut up  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 10:02 am : link
but i am sure he has told melo this in private, supposedly they go out to dinner once a month to talk and the knicks regularly have film sessions with jackson leading them...

but the public comments need to stop
It's odd...  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 10:03 am : link
it seems like Phil isn't even running the team and he's some NVA critic just sitting from afar, watching games and players and making comments about basketball while drinking wine or something. Just so fucking odd. The Knicks were on a roll and this shit happens. Unreal.
Kinda hoping Phil is ready to move on after this season  
Giantology : 12/8/2016 10:19 am : link
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If you heard the whole comment & not just the snippet that was out  
TheMick7 : 12/8/2016 10:25 am : link
to create click bait, you'd have seen that Phil was actually praising Melo. But, since it's 2016 & false news is in, let's run with Phil being a bad guy!
RE: If you heard the whole comment & not just the snippet that was out  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:27 am : link
In comment 13254656 TheMick7 said:
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to create click bait, you'd have seen that Phil was actually praising Melo. But, since it's 2016 & false news is in, let's run with Phil being a bad guy!


Melo looks clearly angered by it. Watch the video.
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Phil has always used the media to get to his star players,  
Keith : 12/8/2016 10:29 am : link
that being said, he was the HC. As a FO guy, I'm not sure it has the same effect.

He's not wrong though. The ball is stopping way too much with Melo. I think he's getting better though because when he's playing in the flow of the offense, he's getting really good shots and playing well offensively.

He needs to fight to get position in the low post too. If we hand him the ball at the 3 point line and he's being defended, it's going to end in a bad shot. If he's getting the ball in the low post and he's got his back to the basket, he's deadly. He's got to live down there. The only shots he should take outside of that are when he's wide open and shooting off the pass.
Melo looks angered by it  
Keith : 12/8/2016 10:30 am : link
because the reporter asking melo about it isn't referencing the whole conversation, just the small piece that he knows will make Melo mad(to get a story).
RE: Melo looks angered by it  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:33 am : link
In comment 13254676 Keith said:
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because the reporter asking melo about it isn't referencing the whole conversation, just the small piece that he knows will make Melo mad(to get a story).


So Phil should continue making comments to the media that could be used to upset his players? Routinely so? Lebron "posse", knocking guys like Larkin/Bargnani through Charlie Rosen etc?
Thanks for stating the obvious.  
GiantsUA : 12/8/2016 10:34 am : link
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RE: Melo looks angered by it  
TheMick7 : 12/8/2016 10:34 am : link
In comment 13254676 Keith said:
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because the reporter asking melo about it isn't referencing the whole conversation, just the small piece that he knows will make Melo mad(to get a story).


Keith hit the nail on the head Dan. What part of the interview do you think was played for Melo? I watched the entire interview on CBS & thought it was vanilla except for Phil talking about smoking pot!
Phil should not comment on individual play.  
Giant John : 12/8/2016 10:36 am : link
He should let his coach manage this if it is an issue. It should also be done behind closed doors.
So  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:36 am : link
you believe the first time Melo is hearing this critique was when asked by the reporter? watch the video, he clearly isn't hearing this for the first time c'mon. He's perturbed because he's not in the mood to talk about Phil's comments. The articles talking about Phil's comments were published before Melo was even asked, Melo is oblivious up until the reporter asks him? Does that really seem reasonable?
RE: RE: If you heard the whole comment & not just the snippet that was out  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 10:37 am : link
In comment 13254667 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13254656 TheMick7 said:


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to create click bait, you'd have seen that Phil was actually praising Melo. But, since it's 2016 & false news is in, let's run with Phil being a bad guy!



Melo looks clearly angered by it. Watch the video. Link - ( New Window )


he is mad because he is tired of talking about negative stuff and you can tell he did not knownwhat phil said until the beat writers mentioned that one line...
I love Melo and mean no offense, BUT  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/8/2016 10:38 am : link
he's not good enough at this point in his career that I give a shit if he's pissed about something Phil Jackson said. I simply don't care.

BBI, OTOH, is something else. A week ago, all the Knicks game threads consisted of 75% complaints about Carmelo Anthony. I can't even read Knickerblogger anymore because it's "Melo Complaint Percentage" is bordering 90%. I read a newspaper article about how fans at the Garden were "groaning" when Melo went one on one. Phil says the exact same shit a lot of Knicks fans (not me, BTW) say incessantly, but now he needs to shut up?
He def does seem to overstep the line  
Keith : 12/8/2016 10:38 am : link
from FO to HC. He's not the HC anymore. Let Hornacek do his job without distraction. That being said, this is clearly an attempt by the reporter to create controversy(which is Phils fault because he has to be smarter and know that it's going to happen).

RE: Lebron-Screw him and his posse. I could care in the least if that dude was upset. Poor whittle Lebron doesn't like that Trump is president so he won't stay at his hotel. Shut up you douche.
Funny  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:38 am : link
how Phil decides when something is "water under the bridge"... usually... it's the person who has been bothered by something.

""No. It's water under the bridge," he said. "I don't think there was anybody hurt or harmed in this situation. I think LeBron's friend [Carter] obviously had an issue with it. We just let it go. It's not enough to talk about it."

I'll call my boss an asshole, wait a few days and say "eh it's water under the bridge".
RE: So  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 10:39 am : link
In comment 13254693 DanMetroMan said:
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you believe the first time Melo is hearing this critique was when asked by the reporter? watch the video, he clearly isn't hearing this for the first time c'mon. He's perturbed because he's not in the mood to talk about Phil's comments. The articles talking about Phil's comments were published before Melo was even asked, Melo is oblivious up until the reporter asks him? Does that really seem reasonable?


do you not think phil has said this to melos face?

if you actually read phils full quote he is actually praising melo..

i thinknwhat pissed melo off was he knew the writers were looking for a story after the knicks got killed
RE: So  
TheMick7 : 12/8/2016 10:40 am : link
In comment 13254693 DanMetroMan said:
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you believe the first time Melo is hearing this critique was when asked by the reporter? watch the video, he clearly isn't hearing this for the first time c'mon. He's perturbed because he's not in the mood to talk about Phil's comments. The articles talking about Phil's comments were published before Melo was even asked, Melo is oblivious up until the reporter asks him? Does that really seem reasonable?


And you think Melo sat down & watched the whole interview? You don't think the same soundbite was played for him over & over? Did you watch the full interview? Like I said,it was vanilla & he was praising Melo for his adjustments made within the system!
RE: Funny  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 10:41 am : link
In comment 13254699 DanMetroMan said:
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how Phil decides when something is "water under the bridge"... usually... it's the person who has been bothered by something.

""No. It's water under the bridge," he said. "I don't think there was anybody hurt or harmed in this situation. I think LeBron's friend [Carter] obviously had an issue with it. We just let it go. It's not enough to talk about it."

I'll call my boss an asshole, wait a few days and say "eh it's water under the bridge".


you do know why lebron got mad about the comment right? it had nothing to do with "posse"
RE: I love Melo and mean no offense, BUT  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:41 am : link
In comment 13254697 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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he's not good enough at this point in his career that I give a shit if he's pissed about something Phil Jackson said. I simply don't care.

BBI, OTOH, is something else. A week ago, all the Knicks game threads consisted of 75% complaints about Carmelo Anthony. I can't even read Knickerblogger anymore because it's "Melo Complaint Percentage" is bordering 90%. I read a newspaper article about how fans at the Garden were "groaning" when Melo went one on one. Phil says the exact same shit a lot of Knicks fans (not me, BTW) say incessantly, but now he needs to shut up?


?? We have been discussing Phil Jackson and his unnecessary comments since he got here. Bizarre multi-part pieces where his comments are filtered through Rosen which serve no apparent purpose.

-The Knicks had just won 4 straight games with positive buzz.

-What purpose does publicly critiquing Melo serve? He's suddenly going to say "hmm I think I'll move the ball faster since Phil took a shot at me?"
RE: RE: Funny  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:42 am : link
In comment 13254705 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13254699 DanMetroMan said:


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how Phil decides when something is "water under the bridge"... usually... it's the person who has been bothered by something.

""No. It's water under the bridge," he said. "I don't think there was anybody hurt or harmed in this situation. I think LeBron's friend [Carter] obviously had an issue with it. We just let it go. It's not enough to talk about it."

I'll call my boss an asshole, wait a few days and say "eh it's water under the bridge".



you do know why lebron got mad about the comment right? it had nothing to do with "posse"


Why does that matter? The offending party doesn't get to decide whether something is water under the bridge. Whether Jackson said something offensive or not is besides the point. If I offend you, I'm not the one who decides "we have moved on".
Dan, Stop beating the dead horse. It's obvious you didn't watch the  
TheMick7 : 12/8/2016 10:43 am : link
interview. Stop spreading more "false news"!
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DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:44 am : link
In comment 13254705 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13254699 DanMetroMan said:


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how Phil decides when something is "water under the bridge"... usually... it's the person who has been bothered by something.

""No. It's water under the bridge," he said. "I don't think there was anybody hurt or harmed in this situation. I think LeBron's friend [Carter] obviously had an issue with it. We just let it go. It's not enough to talk about it."

I'll call my boss an asshole, wait a few days and say "eh it's water under the bridge".



you do know why lebron got mad about the comment right? it had nothing to do with "posse"


PS Lebron disagrees with you

"When asked to reflect on the discussion that his response to Jackson prompted, James brought up the racial undertones that he believed were part of Jackson's "posse" characterization.
"Didn't affect me, just know how much further we still have to go and how far we still have to go as African-Americans, even in the light of today," James said. "For me, I've built my career on and off the floor on the utmost respect, and I've always given the utmost respect to everyone -- all my peers, people that's laid the path for me and laid the path for coaches, players, things of that nature.
"I've always given respect to them, and it's always, like I told you before, it's always shade thrown on me, so. It means we got a lot more work to do, myself and the team. We've got to continue to protect each other and continue to just be as great as we can be.""
RE: Dan, Stop beating the dead horse. It's obvious you didn't watch the  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:45 am : link
In comment 13254713 TheMick7 said:
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interview. Stop spreading more "false news"!


False news? Was Melo annoyed, yes or no? If the answer is yes than Phil Jackson should refrain from public critiques. This isn't a one time thing. He routinely is talking to the media about his players. Took shots at Kobe all the time.
On a side note  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 10:45 am : link
Did anyone see Lebron doing the water bottle challenge on the bench towards the very end of the game? He threw it onto the court. The regular season simply just doesn't entertain him anymore.
RE: RE: RE: Funny  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 10:46 am : link
In comment 13254715 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13254705 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 13254699 DanMetroMan said:


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how Phil decides when something is "water under the bridge"... usually... it's the person who has been bothered by something.

""No. It's water under the bridge," he said. "I don't think there was anybody hurt or harmed in this situation. I think LeBron's friend [Carter] obviously had an issue with it. We just let it go. It's not enough to talk about it."

I'll call my boss an asshole, wait a few days and say "eh it's water under the bridge".



you do know why lebron got mad about the comment right? it had nothing to do with "posse"



PS Lebron disagrees with you

"When asked to reflect on the discussion that his response to Jackson prompted, James brought up the racial undertones that he believed were part of Jackson's "posse" characterization.
"Didn't affect me, just know how much further we still have to go and how far we still have to go as African-Americans, even in the light of today," James said. "For me, I've built my career on and off the floor on the utmost respect, and I've always given the utmost respect to everyone -- all my peers, people that's laid the path for me and laid the path for coaches, players, things of that nature.
"I've always given respect to them, and it's always, like I told you before, it's always shade thrown on me, so. It means we got a lot more work to do, myself and the team. We've got to continue to protect each other and continue to just be as great as we can be.""


come on dan wake up, it was a perfect way to change the narrative of the story..

at first ot was about melo controlling the heat behond the scenes and why riley grew tired of it..

lebron was smart and turned it around on phil and evdryone forgot about the comment about lebron, it was brilliant pr
It  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:47 am : link
should also be noted it doesn't make a single shred of difference if 99% of an interview is "vanilla" if you make one statement that becomes a story/unnecessary. This is a pattern with Phil Jackson, not one "misstep". He's not the coach. Let Hornacek tell Melo behind closed doors he wants the ball moved faster.
about lebron not melo  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 10:47 am : link
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Yeah, it didn't matter what Phil's intent was. He keeps saying shit  
Heisenberg : 12/8/2016 10:47 am : link
that pisses people off and causes distractions. He needs to learn to STFU around the media and stop being the story.
He has always used the media to get his star  
Keith : 12/8/2016 10:47 am : link
players to play his way and it's always worked. It was a good tactic because he made the public aware of what he wanted and if the player didn't play that way, the spotlight was on that player.

That being said, Hornacek is the HC. He should be the one coaching the players.

I think Phil has done a really good job with the personnel, I have few complaints, but he needs to step back and let Hornacek coach and only focus on the personnel.
RE: It  
TheMick7 : 12/8/2016 10:48 am : link
In comment 13254727 DanMetroMan said:
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should also be noted it doesn't make a single shred of difference if 99% of an interview is "vanilla" if you make one statement that becomes a story/unnecessary. This is a pattern with Phil Jackson, not one "misstep". He's not the coach. Let Hornacek tell Melo behind closed doors he wants the ball moved faster.


Did you watch the interview!I think I know the answer but you keep on beating that dead, dead horse!
RE: It  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 10:48 am : link
In comment 13254727 DanMetroMan said:
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should also be noted it doesn't make a single shred of difference if 99% of an interview is "vanilla" if you make one statement that becomes a story/unnecessary. This is a pattern with Phil Jackson, not one "misstep". He's not the coach. Let Hornacek tell Melo behind closed doors he wants the ball moved faster.


melo requests those meetings with phil not the other way around..

and the comment if you actually read it is praising melo for trusting his teammates more and playing within the offense
RE: RE: Dan, Stop beating the dead horse. It's obvious you didn't watch the  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/8/2016 10:49 am : link
In comment 13254717 DanMetroMan said:
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interview. Stop spreading more "false news"!



False news? Was Melo annoyed, yes or no? If the answer is yes than Phil Jackson should refrain from public critiques. This isn't a one time thing. He routinely is talking to the media about his players. Took shots at Kobe all the time.


And yet Kobe sucked it up and won. Melo should do the same.
Man  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:50 am : link
the East is awful. The Jazz are 14-9 despite Hayward missing 6 games and they are the 7 seed in the West, they would be the 3 seed in the East
Couldn't give a shit less what Phil says about other teams and players  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2016 10:50 am : link
He shouldn't be yammering about his own players, though. That's Hornacek's world, not his. He's undermining his own head coach this way, and that's not smart.
RE: RE: It  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:52 am : link
In comment 13254732 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 13254727 DanMetroMan said:


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should also be noted it doesn't make a single shred of difference if 99% of an interview is "vanilla" if you make one statement that becomes a story/unnecessary. This is a pattern with Phil Jackson, not one "misstep". He's not the coach. Let Hornacek tell Melo behind closed doors he wants the ball moved faster.



Did you watch the interview!I think I know the answer but you keep on beating that dead, dead horse!


I most certainly did... this morning. To see what Phil said. It wasn't the most critical comments he could have made but again... UNNECESSARY just as calling Bargnani soft and talking about how he didn't want to practice, or saying Shane Larkin had tiny hands... when both were no longer with the Knicks... not necessary.
what melo got mad at  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 10:52 am : link
was the media looking for a quote after a bad loss and the media hoping they could get a nice story about phil pissing off the star player
I mean, he's not wrong...  
arcarsenal : 12/8/2016 10:52 am : link
I'd prefer that he kept quiet but the entirety of what he said wasn't bad at all.
Which  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:53 am : link
other team presidents do we hear critiquing his players? Have we heard RC Buford knock anyone? Rick Welts? I don't even know who the president of the Cavs is.
i think we all agree the comments are unnecessary  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 10:53 am : link
i jist dont think it is bad as you are making it out to be
What other team president  
Keith : 12/8/2016 10:53 am : link
is high profile like Jackson and has reporters constantly in their face?
Again...  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:54 am : link
and this is the last time I bother with this... it's a pattern with Phil Jackson. It wasn't one random "slip up". He likes to talk, a whole lot.
RE: Which  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 10:54 am : link
In comment 13254746 DanMetroMan said:
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I don't even know who the president of the Cavs is.


yes you do, he called out his team for losing 3 in a row and saying the honeymoon was over
RE: Again...  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 10:55 am : link
In comment 13254750 DanMetroMan said:
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and this is the last time I bother with this... it's a pattern with Phil Jackson. It wasn't one random "slip up". He likes to talk, a whole lot.


but we knew this when he was hired, did anyone really think it would change?
RE: What other team president  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 10:55 am : link
In comment 13254749 Keith said:
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is high profile like Jackson and has reporters constantly in their face?


He's forced into doing 10 part 3rd party pieces with Charley Rosen? By whom?
RE: What other team president  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 10:56 am : link
In comment 13254749 Keith said:
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is high profile like Jackson and has reporters constantly in their face?


and why would you keep locked up in his offense, you have one of the greatest coaching minds in the game, why would you not use it if hornacek is ok with it?
RE: Man  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 10:56 am : link
In comment 13254739 DanMetroMan said:
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the East is awful. The Jazz are 14-9 despite Hayward missing 6 games and they are the 7 seed in the West, they would be the 3 seed in the East


They've also been missing Favors for half of their games and the ones he's played he's been on minutes restriction.

Feel bad for the clips. If they were in the east I'd have to think they could've cracked the finals one or twice over the last 6 years.
I don't care.  
Keith : 12/8/2016 10:57 am : link
This is dumb. I already made my point...I hope Phil stops talking about players and lets Hornacek coach. Im not going to cry about this. I can care in the least what he says about that b*tch Lebron and his friends. I wish the players on the knicks would take some pride and smack LeBron to the ground once in a while.
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