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DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 9:43 am
Jackson criticized Anthony for being a ball stopper in an interview with CBS Sports Network Tuesday. The timing was curious since the Knicks had won four in a row before last night’s loss to Cleveland, and Anthony had been playing well.


“I don’t even know what was said to be honest with you,” Anthony said. “I just don’t even want to talk about that, what he’s talking about exactly. I want to stay away from that at this point. My focus is my teammates and winning. We’ve been playing great basketball and that’s the only thing I’m focused on.

“Whatever Phil said he said it. I have nothing to say about that.”

When Anthony was first asked about it, he uncharacteristically abruptly ended the interview.
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Dan are you listening?  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 12:23 pm : link
I said Gobert was a very good defensive player. But as I said, I'm not jerking off to him watching him play. He's just a good center, a very good defensive player. What else do you want?
Where  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 12:26 pm : link
did I make some argument he's a "great" player? I said he's a great defensive player. He is.

"According to the league’s player-tracking system, out of 160 players that are facing at least three shots per game at the rim, nobody is more effective at disrupting those shots than Gobert; opponents are making only 38 percent of their close-range shots when he is within 5 feet. Any team that can take away the paint has a huge head start on becoming a great defense. With Kanter out of the picture, Gobert is getting more minutes and opponents are getting fewer layups.

It’s not uncommon to hear people talk about how it’s a point guard’s league these days. If you’re talking about offense, there’s certainly some truth to that. But on the defensive end, it’s still a big man’s game. Elite rim protectors like Gobert are still the most important characters within dominant defenses. Just ask the pre-2014-meltdown Pacers.

Gobert’s impact goes beyond rim protection. His emergence enabled the team to deal Kanter in the first place, which in turn will set the Jazz up to add more diverse young assets. Utah is already one of the youngest teams in the league, but unlike some of those other “young” teams, Utah looks like it is on the verge of establishing a formidable identity, rooted in its defensive play.

Gobert is having a Hibbert effect on the Jazz. He is facilitating a cohesive defensive brand that makes everyone look better. Great rim protectors are the best deodorant. This is a big moment for the Jazz, who have been floundering since the end of the Jerry Sloan era. The combination of good coaching and elite interior defense offers probably the simplest path to success in this league. And considering that Utah was the worst defensive team in the NBA just last season, this turnaround has been nothing short of remarkable. Magnifique, even."
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RE: Dan are you listening?  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13255032 ryanmkeane said:
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I said Gobert was a very good defensive player. But as I said, I'm not jerking off to him watching him play. He's just a good center, a very good defensive player. What else do you want?


We are arguing the difference in pay of probably a top 5 center at age 24 vs a 30 year old, who if we had to rank the play of this season, is probably not even top 25 or top 30. (Not saying he won't improve at all). The difference in pay of those 2 is $7M a year. If $72M is nothing I wonder what $7M a year is in your eyes...
Dan  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 12:27 pm : link
i'm not a Knicks homer. I'm just someone who thinks that having Noah on the team will pay dividends, and the contract is not that bad considering what other players make in the league. And if you're going to have arguments with people - you might want to sound the least bit accepting of other people's thoughts instead of shoving your opinions down everyones throat.
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TyreeHelmet : 12/8/2016 12:28 pm : link
In comment 13255025 ryanmkeane said:
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arguing against MY statement about Gobert??" yes..I am. Gobert is Rudy fucking Gobert. He's not gonna change the NBA.


You would probably take Gobert over Noah? That is absurd. Gobert is a force and could easily become the best center in the NBA. If Gobert was a Knick we would all be declaring him the next Wilt Chamberlain. He's already a great NBA defender and getting better.
Gobert  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 12:29 pm : link
is not good offensively. Have you guys even watched him play? Or do you just look at the stat sheet.
Anytime  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 12:31 pm : link
the first positive brought up is impact in a locker room for a guy with a big contract it's a bad sign. While I have zero doubt Noah is a good guy, fun guy etc there are plenty of good locker room players who make a whole lot less. Noah has to play significantly better over the course of his contract otherwise he was a total waste of money. His towel waving isn't worth 72 million.
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ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13255047 TyreeHelmet said:
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arguing against MY statement about Gobert??" yes..I am. Gobert is Rudy fucking Gobert. He's not gonna change the NBA.



You would probably take Gobert over Noah? That is absurd. Gobert is a force and could easily become the best center in the NBA. If Gobert was a Knick we would all be declaring him the next Wilt Chamberlain. He's already a great NBA defender and getting better.

No we wouldn't, because Gobert isn't, and he's not good offensively.
I'd give it least  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 12:32 pm : link
a few fucking months before declaring Noah a bad signing. Maybe see how he plays down the stretch? In the playoffs if they make it? Jesus.
RE: I'd give it least  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13255062 ryanmkeane said:
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a few fucking months before declaring Noah a bad signing. Maybe see how he plays down the stretch? In the playoffs if they make it? Jesus.


So we are throwing out the 2015 season AND the first 22 games (18 for Noah because he's already been dinged/sick as usual) and our highly valued "use your eyes" to just hope for the best? Let me ask you this, the NBA announces teams can undo 1 contract and the player would be off the books or you can keep the player, you keep Noah? If not.. why? Wait a few fucking months!
Noah  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 12:36 pm : link
29 games with the Bulls last season 4.3 points, 8.8 boards 1 block 38% from the field

Noah 18 games with the Knicks this season

4.3 points 7.9 boards 49% from the field 1 block

...so over roughly his last 50 NBA games played he's been a bad player.
We're being mocked for the Noah contract  
Deej : 12/8/2016 12:38 pm : link
You couldnt trade Noah if you attached our #1 pick to it.

You'd have to be a blind man to think that's a good contract.
I'll give Noah some time. He battled injuries last year, similar to  
Keith : 12/8/2016 12:39 pm : link
Rose. Rose was bad with Chicago and is playing much better now. Right now, it's looking like a really bad deal, I'm hoping that it's just a little bad in a month or so. We will see.
RE: Gobert  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13255054 ryanmkeane said:
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is not good offensively. Have you guys even watched him play? Or do you just look at the stat sheet.


Gobert leads the league in FG%. He is a taller Tyson Chandler. If you thought Tyson Chandler was awful on offense because he didn't create his own shots then I question how you judge basketball skills and roles in general.
As  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 12:40 pm : link
great as KP is (and he obviously is), Myles Turner is quietly becoming a stud as well. Wow. That draft looks littered with turds but KAT,KP, Turner all look like young potential all-stars/stars
RE: Gobert  
TyreeHelmet : 12/8/2016 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13255054 ryanmkeane said:
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is not good offensively. Have you guys even watched him play? Or do you just look at the stat sheet.


The Knicks would happily pay another 7 mill a year to have Gobert over Noah. Imagine the rim protection between Gobert and Porzingis?

I've watched him play plenty. Played very well against the Knicks. Hes a good finisher that still needs work offensively. The same argument conversely could be made about a lot of young players- talented offensively need work on defense ( KAT, Porzingis, Davis).

Honest question, could Noah have played any worse offensively this season? He's also struggled to defend quality big men one on one. Look at the OKC game. You really project him getting better as he gets older? I was a huge fan of the guy but he looks shot.
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giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13255088 Keith said:
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Rose. Rose was bad with Chicago and is playing much better now. Right now, it's looking like a really bad deal, I'm hoping that it's just a little bad in a month or so. We will see.


I wouldn't write off Rose as bad overall in Chicago. He was awful in back to backs and with that eye injury. His play dramatically increased towards the end of the season. Noah was shut down.
Not sure I'd say Chandler was awful on offense  
Keith : 12/8/2016 12:42 pm : link
because he was huge on the boards and athletic enough to finish around the hoop, but he certainly wasn't/isn't a good offensive player because outside of 3 feet, he was terrible.
Booker  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 12:43 pm : link
has been hot and cold this season

-Hezonja doesn't even play, that has to be a concern at this point. A non-contender not playing a 2nd year top 5 pick. Weird, he seemed NBA ready-ish

-WCS has not been good

-Winslow blows
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TyreeHelmet : 12/8/2016 12:47 pm : link
In comment 13255071 DanMetroMan said:
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a few fucking months before declaring Noah a bad signing. Maybe see how he plays down the stretch? In the playoffs if they make it? Jesus.



So we are throwing out the 2015 season AND the first 22 games (18 for Noah because he's already been dinged/sick as usual) and our highly valued "use your eyes" to just hope for the best? Let me ask you this, the NBA announces teams can undo 1 contract and the player would be off the books or you can keep the player, you keep Noah? If not.. why? Wait a few fucking months!


I really hope there is an amnesty clause in the new CBA. I heard there probably won't be though. If there is, you bet Noah is getting it at some point.
Damn  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 12:48 pm : link
you think the Hawks regret this deal? They get John Salmons and Toronto got Lucas Nogueira who is 24 years old averaging 5, 4 and 2 blocks with 1 steal on... 79% from the field.
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giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13255094 DanMetroMan said:
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great as KP is (and he obviously is), Myles Turner is quietly becoming a stud as well. Wow. That draft looks littered with turds but KAT,KP, Turner all look like young potential all-stars/stars


I'd add Devin Booker to that list. I believe he's still younger than some of the rookies that entered this year. I'd take him over D'angelo Russell and I think Russell will be a 20+ ppg 5 apg through the prime of his career. I think Booker may win a scoring title down the line.

Much like how Turner doesn't get enough praise I think Lyles is in the shadow behind favors (and Diaw for some odd reason). He doesn't provide much outside scoring but he can shoot the ball really well for a big man. I think Utah will be willing to part ways with Favors because Lyles provides so much more on offense.

Kaminsky is a nice role player. I still like WCS a lot, he plays well when he gets PT (was good against the Knicks the other night). I think Okafor could thrive in a 6th man role once there is more stability in Philly.
RE: Booker  
TyreeHelmet : 12/8/2016 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13255107 DanMetroMan said:
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has been hot and cold this season

-Hezonja doesn't even play, that has to be a concern at this point. A non-contender not playing a 2nd year top 5 pick. Weird, he seemed NBA ready-ish

-WCS has not been good

-Winslow blows


Surprised Winslow hasn't progressed more. Shows you how hard drafting is.

I could see the Heat completely blowing it up. Trading Whiteside and Dragic for picks and reloading through the draft. Would make sense to do it.

Booker is streaky  
Deej : 12/8/2016 12:52 pm : link
Dont put him in the HOF until you know whether he gets over it.

WCS is struggling under the new coach. It's a little early to comment on him I think. I am a fan of his though -- still see Tyson Chandler upside.
the funny thing is about that draft class  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 12:54 pm : link
most media guys called it a 3 player draft including woj because they wanted to make the knicks looks bad and now it looks like a really good draft
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 12:55 pm : link
trying to understand why Hezonja doesn't play? I haven't seen the magic this season so I'm going to assume it's defense but they are 10-13 and the guy is playing even less minutes than last year. He's 22 in a few months, obviously not old but not some baby.
Wait wait....what?  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 12:56 pm : link
Winslow BLOWS and hasn't progressed????

He's doubled his PPG this season and averaging more assists. And he's dealing with a wrist injury...and oh yeah he's 20 YEARS OLD. Christ. Gives these guys a minute.
Booker just turned 20  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 12:58 pm : link
and right now is the #1 option on his team, scoring at a good rate. Maybe give this kid some fucking time?
Nance  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 12:59 pm : link
Jr. is a pretty nice role player as well

From the brief moments I've watched the Rockets, Sam Dekker looks like a good young player
RE: Booker is streaky  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13255135 Deej said:
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Dont put him in the HOF until you know whether he gets over it.

WCS is struggling under the new coach. It's a little early to comment on him I think. I am a fan of his though -- still see Tyson Chandler upside.


Haha I'm not. He is certainly streaky, but he's a guy I've followed since the draft. He's become one of my favorite players to watch. One of those instances where the eye test does it for me. I don't see many players in the league who have a better shooting stroke. He also has a a much better handle than the guys he gets compared to at this stage in his career (Klay and Hayward).
RE: Wait wait....what?  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13255146 ryanmkeane said:
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Winslow BLOWS and hasn't progressed????

He's doubled his PPG this season and averaging more assists. And he's dealing with a wrist injury...and oh yeah he's 20 YEARS OLD. Christ. Gives these guys a minute.


If doubling your points is how you decide if a player is having a good year... There is something called... it's a very advanced metric.... it's called.. Field goal attempts... to sum it up, it's basically the sum total of shots you take. Winslow last season averaged 5.9... field goal attempts last year and this season... with Bosh and Wade gone... is averaging 13.9. He is shooting... 34% from the field, 22% from 3, his PER is 8.52.... citing his "doubling his PPG's"... wow I've seen it all.
giantsfan  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 1:02 pm : link
well according to the stats, Booker is streaky. You don't even have to watch him play.
Dan  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 1:03 pm : link
Winslow is 20 and a promising young player. You don't know basketball if you think he blows.
RE: Wait wait....what?  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13255146 ryanmkeane said:
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Winslow BLOWS and hasn't progressed????

He's doubled his PPG this season and averaging more assists. And he's dealing with a wrist injury...and oh yeah he's 20 YEARS OLD. Christ. Gives these guys a minute.


Winslow is shooting a league worst 33% from the field...

Winslow is already an impact defensive player but he looks a lot more Tony Allen than Jimmy Butler so far in his career.
Dan your issue  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 1:05 pm : link
is you look at all these stats but you don't seem to actually watch players play. You don't have to be a basketball mathematician to see that Booker is one of the best young players in the league, possibly the best young scorer outside of KP. If you want to basically put Winslow and Booker in a box and say "ok this is what they are" when they are 20 fucking years old, that would be really dumb.
RE: giantsfan  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13255160 ryanmkeane said:
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well according to the stats, Booker is streaky. You don't even have to watch him play.


Is that not what I said? Im saying judging his talent based of watching him, not his actual stats. He's the #1 option on his team. He doesn't exactly have Carmelo and Rose, or PG like KP and Turner do. He takes a lot of bad shots, no doubt, but he's as natural of a shooter as you'll see.
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13255161 ryanmkeane said:
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Winslow is 20 and a promising young player. You don't know basketball if you think he blows.


To this point in his career he has been absolutely awful and considering he is a wing he needs to have unusual shot development to ever become a good player beyond a solid defensive player. Offensively he's a zero to start his career. Not mediocre. A zero. Basketball reference actually has him in the NEGATIVE for WS/48 this season. I've honestly never seen that before. Not kidding, maybe a typo?
I don't wanna say I told ya so on Winslow...no, wait, I do!!  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2016 1:07 pm : link
He sucks. S-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-sucks. Oh, he doubled his PPG? That's awesome! Of course, he's doing it by shooting a scorching 33% from the field, 22% from 3.

To go from 6.4 to 11.6 ppg, he had to nearly triple his shot attempts - 5.9 per last year, 13.9 per this year. PER is almost the same as last year's, 8.6 now and 8.4 then. Justin Anderson's had a really disappointing start to the season, yet he's still the better player.
RE: RE: giantsfan  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13255166 giantsfan44ab said:
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well according to the stats, Booker is streaky. You don't even have to watch him play.



Is that not what I said? Im saying judging his talent based of watching him, not his actual stats. He's the #1 option on his team. He doesn't exactly have Carmelo and Rose, or PG like KP and Turner do. He takes a lot of bad shots, no doubt, but he's as natural of a shooter as you'll see.

giantsfan I was kidding...I was defending you/Booker.
RE: Dan your issue  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13255165 ryanmkeane said:
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is you look at all these stats but you don't seem to actually watch players play. You don't have to be a basketball mathematician to see that Booker is one of the best young players in the league, possibly the best young scorer outside of KP. If you want to basically put Winslow and Booker in a box and say "ok this is what they are" when they are 20 fucking years old, that would be really dumb.


What? My critique of Booker

"Booker
DanMetroMan : 12:43 pm : link : reply
has been hot and cold this season"

Honestly not sure if you legit just ignore what I say or create your own quotes. Booker is a big scorer who exploded last season and has been hot and cold this season. You don't like facts for some reason
RE: Dan your issue  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13255165 ryanmkeane said:
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is you look at all these stats but you don't seem to actually watch players play. You don't have to be a basketball mathematician to see that Booker is one of the best young players in the league, possibly the best young scorer outside of KP. If you want to basically put Winslow and Booker in a box and say "ok this is what they are" when they are 20 fucking years old, that would be really dumb.


I don't think Winslow as awful as he is a plus defender. Offensively, he looks completely lost. He made something like 1 total jump shot in the 15 playoff games the Heat played. He has no evident role on offense except crashing the boards. He is shooting 44% at the rim this year (horrible, was decent last year) and less than 30% everywhere outside of 3 feet, which is like Tyson Chandler bad. Tony Allen was more of a shooting threat when he came into the league.
Winslow is a very lucky guy  
Greg from LI : 12/8/2016 1:10 pm : link
He had the streak of his life when he got hot shooting during Duke's tourney run. He didn't shoot all that well prior, and he certainly hasn't shot well in the NBA, but he shot well at the most visible point in his career to that point. It conned people into thinking he was a much better pro prospect than he actually was. For most of the season, he scored by overpowering smaller wings when driving to the hoop, something he isn't big and fast enough to do in the NBA.
100%  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 1:11 pm : link
not knocking our guy but when someone calls KP the best young scorer in the league... the homer alert goes off in my head.
RE: I don't wanna say I told ya so on Winslow...no, wait, I do!!  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13255168 Greg from LI said:
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He sucks. S-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-sucks. Oh, he doubled his PPG? That's awesome! Of course, he's doing it by shooting a scorching 33% from the field, 22% from 3.

To go from 6.4 to 11.6 ppg, he had to nearly triple his shot attempts - 5.9 per last year, 13.9 per this year. PER is almost the same as last year's, 8.6 now and 8.4 then. Justin Anderson's had a really disappointing start to the season, yet he's still the better player.


and stephen a still calls phil a loser for passing on him
RE: I don't wanna say I told ya so on Winslow...no, wait, I do!!  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13255168 Greg from LI said:
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He sucks. S-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-sucks. Oh, he doubled his PPG? That's awesome! Of course, he's doing it by shooting a scorching 33% from the field, 22% from 3.

To go from 6.4 to 11.6 ppg, he had to nearly triple his shot attempts - 5.9 per last year, 13.9 per this year. PER is almost the same as last year's, 8.6 now and 8.4 then. Justin Anderson's had a really disappointing start to the season, yet he's still the better player.


If Anderson could get that 3 down (which he seemed capable of doing in college) he's going to have a tremendous career.
KP  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 1:12 pm : link
isn't even the #1 scorer in his own draft class so calling him the best young scorer in the league is bizarre unless it was a typo?
RE: 100%  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13255176 DanMetroMan said:
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not knocking our guy but when someone calls KP the best young scorer in the league... the homer alert goes off in my head.


kp defensively droves me nuts, offensively he is not going to be perfect yet and has great moments but defensively he is awful...

he has no court awareness whatsoever and still picks up these stupid fouls..

if you just pump fake he is jumping in the air..
RE: Winslow is a very lucky guy  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13255174 Greg from LI said:
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He had the streak of his life when he got hot shooting during Duke's tourney run. He didn't shoot all that well prior, and he certainly hasn't shot well in the NBA, but he shot well at the most visible point in his career to that point. It conned people into thinking he was a much better pro prospect than he actually was. For most of the season, he scored by overpowering smaller wings when driving to the hoop, something he isn't big and fast enough to do in the NBA.


He's kenny faried if faried were 3 inches shorter. He's an undersized, undersized PF.
RE: Winslow is a very lucky guy  
ryanmkeane : 12/8/2016 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13255174 Greg from LI said:
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He had the streak of his life when he got hot shooting during Duke's tourney run. He didn't shoot all that well prior, and he certainly hasn't shot well in the NBA, but he shot well at the most visible point in his career to that point. It conned people into thinking he was a much better pro prospect than he actually was. For most of the season, he scored by overpowering smaller wings when driving to the hoop, something he isn't big and fast enough to do in the NBA.

Greg...Winslow is about 6'7 and 230. His strength and first step quickness are one of the best parts of his game.
No offense  
Semipro Lineman : 12/8/2016 1:14 pm : link
(consider this a Giants post), you guys are making some absolute judgements based on a quarter of the season.

Is this your first time
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