for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: Knicks Chat: Phil needs to shut up already

DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 9:43 am
Jackson criticized Anthony for being a ball stopper in an interview with CBS Sports Network Tuesday. The timing was curious since the Knicks had won four in a row before last night’s loss to Cleveland, and Anthony had been playing well.


“I don’t even know what was said to be honest with you,” Anthony said. “I just don’t even want to talk about that, what he’s talking about exactly. I want to stay away from that at this point. My focus is my teammates and winning. We’ve been playing great basketball and that’s the only thing I’m focused on.

“Whatever Phil said he said it. I have nothing to say about that.”

When Anthony was first asked about it, he uncharacteristically abruptly ended the interview.
Link - ( New Window )
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 <<Prev | Show All |  Next>>
Towns  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 4:08 pm : link
is my new Lebron... the dream FA signing where you can craft a narrative for him choosing the Knicks... only for it to come crashing down lol
RE: Its actually  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13255581 Keith said:
Quote:
Too stupid to realize, but you probably knew that.

Not only are you good at making up bullshit, you can also correct my typos? Amazing!
im not making anything up.  
Keith : 12/8/2016 4:15 pm : link
I remember you and another poster making a big deal about "throwing in" another asset to get Rose. Almost like a broken record. I argued that Grant isn't an asset, you however were a fan of his game.

That being said, it's just funny when someone is calling someone else stupid and then makes a mistake with their English. That's all.
RE: im not making anything up.  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13255594 Keith said:
Quote:
I remember you and another poster making a big deal about "throwing in" another asset to get Rose. Almost like a broken record. I argued that Grant isn't an asset, you however were a fan of his game.

That being said, it's just funny when someone is calling someone else stupid and then makes a mistake with their English. That's all.

even with his crappy play this season he's still a potential asset. If you feel otherwise than that's an indictment of Phil and his ability to draft. Regardless, I never called him a stud. As for making up stuff, tell us more about how Jennings turned down all of these offers for more money to come to MSG? I'm sure if you think real hard to you can come up with something!
RE: RE: In 4 years when all of these guys are gone  
djm : 12/8/2016 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13255468 Enzo said:
Quote:
In comment 13255375 Keith said:


Quote:


Porzingis will be like 25. It's not like we are ruining his peak.


so instead of stocking up on lottery picks during that time and looking to add quality young players we'll be in 40-45 win no-mans land with a bunch of old guys? Success!


Oh for fucks sake here we go again..... how on earth were the Knicks going to stock up on lottery picks?????

Phil inherited a barren nba team. Worse he inherited a team littered with hin priced dead weight and had to close to two years before he could even use one draft pick and cap space. Then he had to wait another year with no pick. You choose to ignore this.

"Stock on lottery picks" --- sounds so easy but the Knicks literally had no assets no cap room and no players. lol you're nuts.
RE: RE: RE: In 4 years when all of these guys are gone  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13255598 djm said:
Quote:
In comment 13255468 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 13255375 Keith said:


Quote:


Porzingis will be like 25. It's not like we are ruining his peak.


so instead of stocking up on lottery picks during that time and looking to add quality young players we'll be in 40-45 win no-mans land with a bunch of old guys? Success!



Oh for fucks sake here we go again..... how on earth were the Knicks going to stock up on lottery picks?????

Phil inherited a barren nba team. Worse he inherited a team littered with hin priced dead weight and had to close to two years before he could even use one draft pick and cap space. Then he had to wait another year with no pick. You choose to ignore this.

"Stock on lottery picks" --- sounds so easy but the Knicks literally had no assets no cap room and no players. lol you're nuts.


another thing is, who are these old guys?

melo is 32, lee 31 and noah 31 after that everyone else is under 28, so how do they have a bunch of old guys?
RE: RE: RE: In 4 years when all of these guys are gone  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13255598 djm said:
Quote:
In comment 13255468 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 13255375 Keith said:


Quote:


Porzingis will be like 25. It's not like we are ruining his peak.


so instead of stocking up on lottery picks during that time and looking to add quality young players we'll be in 40-45 win no-mans land with a bunch of old guys? Success!



Oh for fucks sake here we go again..... how on earth were the Knicks going to stock up on lottery picks?????

Phil inherited a barren nba team. Worse he inherited a team littered with hin priced dead weight and had to close to two years before he could even use one draft pick and cap space. Then he had to wait another year with no pick. You choose to ignore this.

"Stock on lottery picks" --- sounds so easy but the Knicks literally had no assets no cap room and no players. lol you're nuts.

hey, it's clueless fanboy #2! Ever hear of renting out cap space for draft picks? Other teams do this all the time. It's sort of an accepted strategy. If you'd follow the league at all you'd know this. Ever hear of trying to extra max value for players instead of giving them away for crap and second rounders (like he did with Chandler, JR, Shump)? That's a thing other teams do as well! And while Phil has made some nice signings once he had cap space (Lopez, O'Quinn, Lee), his biggest signing so far has been a fucking disaster. The Noah deal is like years 3-5 of the Amare deal, only we got there already in December of year 1! Amazing!
RE: RE: RE: RE: In 4 years when all of these guys are gone  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13255614 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
In comment 13255598 djm said:


Quote:


In comment 13255468 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 13255375 Keith said:


Quote:


Porzingis will be like 25. It's not like we are ruining his peak.


so instead of stocking up on lottery picks during that time and looking to add quality young players we'll be in 40-45 win no-mans land with a bunch of old guys? Success!



Oh for fucks sake here we go again..... how on earth were the Knicks going to stock up on lottery picks?????

Phil inherited a barren nba team. Worse he inherited a team littered with hin priced dead weight and had to close to two years before he could even use one draft pick and cap space. Then he had to wait another year with no pick. You choose to ignore this.

"Stock on lottery picks" --- sounds so easy but the Knicks literally had no assets no cap room and no players. lol you're nuts.



another thing is, who are these old guys?

melo is 32, lee 31 and noah 31 after that everyone else is under 28, so how do they have a bunch of old guys?

4/5 of the starting lineup is on the wrong side of 30. In the NBA, that's not ideal. And Rose/Noah have the bodies of guys 5-10 years older. Regardless, if you're saying this team is primarily made up of guys in their prime, you'd think we'd have a better team than what these guys have shown so far. Also, there's only two players on the roster worth talking about who are under 25. This is after nearly years on the job and 6 total draft picks.
Saying Rose has a body that's 5/10 years older  
Keith : 12/8/2016 4:35 pm : link
just shows how clueless you are. I'd recommend actually researching the injuries he's had and then coming back to discuss. Lazy analysis.
...  
Keith : 12/8/2016 4:36 pm : link
The 2nd rounder we got back is more valuable than Grant, haha.


Holiday might end up being more valuable than Lopez!

Rose is going to be discussed as comeback player of the year and the Knicks should finish in the top 3-6 seeds and be a fun playoff team. Poor Enzo, this is going to suck for him
RE: Saying Rose has a body that's 5/10 years older  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13255628 Keith said:
Quote:
just shows how clueless you are. I'd recommend actually researching the injuries he's had and then coming back to discuss. Lazy analysis.

did you research his injury history like you researched Jennings' free agency?
I don't know what that means,  
Keith : 12/8/2016 4:40 pm : link
but I am a bit of a knee connoisseur so yes I did. You clearly like to talk nonsense to fit a narrative that you never, ever, ever, ever shut up about. It's old.
RE: ...  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13255630 Keith said:
Quote:
The 2nd rounder we got back is more valuable than Grant, haha.


Holiday might end up being more valuable than Lopez!

Rose is going to be discussed as comeback player of the year and the Knicks should finish in the top 3-6 seeds and be a fun playoff team. Poor Enzo, this is going to suck for him

Holliday is a free agent this summer while Lopez is signed for 2 more years after this one. Hard to be valuable when you're probably not even going to be on the team.
What team is Grant on?  
Keith : 12/8/2016 4:42 pm : link
Iowa Energy, lol.
RE: I don't know what that means,  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13255638 Keith said:
Quote:
but I am a bit of a knee connoisseur so yes I did. You clearly like to talk nonsense to fit a narrative that you never, ever, ever, ever shut up about. It's old.

If you "don't know what that means" I guess you're losing track of your own bullshit.
knicks own holidays rights  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 4:46 pm : link
they can easily bring him back
RE: RE: Understand  
Aspano! : 12/8/2016 4:49 pm : link
In comment 13255482 giantsfan44ab said:
Quote:
In comment 13255460 ryanmkeane said:


Quote:


you guys love Gobert. But better than Whiteside, Howard, and Horford? No way.



Why do you think the Jazz have been so good this season? Hayward, Favors and Hill all have missed weeks of games so far this season. They are one of the top defensive teams in the league. Is that because of Boris Diaw and rodney hood???

On the flip side why do you think Boston has been underperforming? Their defense is atrocious. Just look at any time they play a physically gifted center. Horford struggles with keeping bigs under control. He's a subpar rebounder for a center and not a rim protector.

Atlantas defense sucks. Howard is pretty good but he's not nearly the rim protector he used to be.

Whiteside is also good but not a defensive force. He blocks a lot of shots but he misses rotations continuously thus why the heat also blow on defense.


Not for nothing, but if you're gonna talk about defenses, at least know that Atlanta is better than Utah in terms of defensive efficiency (they're actually #2 in the league) and both Miami and Boston are middle of the road, at #14 and #16.
RE: knicks own holidays rights  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13255647 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
they can easily bring him back

you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?
RE: RE: RE: Understand  
giantsfan44ab : 12/8/2016 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13255652 Aspano! said:
Quote:
In comment 13255482 giantsfan44ab said:


Quote:


In comment 13255460 ryanmkeane said:


Quote:


you guys love Gobert. But better than Whiteside, Howard, and Horford? No way.



Why do you think the Jazz have been so good this season? Hayward, Favors and Hill all have missed weeks of games so far this season. They are one of the top defensive teams in the league. Is that because of Boris Diaw and rodney hood???

On the flip side why do you think Boston has been underperforming? Their defense is atrocious. Just look at any time they play a physically gifted center. Horford struggles with keeping bigs under control. He's a subpar rebounder for a center and not a rim protector.

Atlantas defense sucks. Howard is pretty good but he's not nearly the rim protector he used to be.

Whiteside is also good but not a defensive force. He blocks a lot of shots but he misses rotations continuously thus why the heat also blow on defense.



Not for nothing, but if you're gonna talk about defenses, at least know that Atlanta is better than Utah in terms of defensive efficiency (they're actually #2 in the league) and both Miami and Boston are middle of the road, at #14 and #16.


Yup you are right, my mistake. I think D12 is a fantastic player (As many on here know that I think so haha). I just think Gobert has a bigger impact. Atlanta does have quality defenders in milsap and sefalosha. Schroeder and bazemore are pretty decent in their own right.

On the other hand, Utah had been banged up. Hill and Favors are good defenders but they've missed tons of time. Who else is there? Hood? Diaw? Lyles? Gobert is bolstering up a top defense that's missed plenty of starters and has a bunch of lackluster defenders in their place. Howard and Gobert are pretty similar players but Gobert is 7 years his younger.
RE: RE: knicks own holidays rights  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13255655 Enzo said:
Quote:
In comment 13255647 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


they can easily bring him back


you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?


what kind of offer do you think he is going to get...

so let me get this straight, if phil pays him to much yu are going to mad and if the knicks let him go you are going to say he lost an asset, basically either way you are going to rip the knicks...

great way to be a fan
you're fucking terrible  
djm : 12/8/2016 4:57 pm : link
.
i dont understand how fans of a team  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 5:03 pm : link
watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..

same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?
RE: RE: RE: knicks own holidays rights  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13255657 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
In comment 13255655 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 13255647 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


they can easily bring him back


you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?



what kind of offer do you think he is going to get...

so let me get this straight, if phil pays him to much yu are going to mad and if the knicks let him go you are going to say he lost an asset, basically either way you are going to rip the knicks...

great way to be a fan

you just summed up the problem with acquiring guys like Holliday - you have no control going forward. If they play well, you have to reach into your pocket. Same thing happened with Lance (they had to pay up to keep him) and Galloway (they lost him to a relatively small deal). When people argue for getting guys via the draft, it's not just about tanking for young players. It's also about maintaining control of your assets at cheap prices over an extended period of time - which then allows you more room to fill in the rest of your roster.
RE: i dont understand how fans of a team  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13255669 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..

same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?


Just speaking for myself... Noah has been SO bad that it's hard to ignore. I mean at the foul line he almost looks like he's not sure if he's righty or lefty. I know his form has always been weird but good lord. I love watching the Knicks but I've gotten to the point I hate seeing him on the floor and he actively bothers me (and again I used to be a big fan). I'm not a huge Thomas fan either but he has played better.
RE: RE: knicks own holidays rights  
Aspano! : 12/8/2016 5:07 pm : link
In comment 13255655 Enzo said:
Quote:
In comment 13255647 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


they can easily bring him back


you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?


Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.
Great  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 5:07 pm : link
read on Morey
Link - ( New Window )
RE: i dont understand how fans of a team  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13255669 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..

same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?

well now that you mentioned it, the Knicks rank 27th in defense and they've allowed the most second chance points in the league. Is that a recipe for success?
RE: RE: i dont understand how fans of a team  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13255673 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
In comment 13255669 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..

same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?



Just speaking for myself... Noah has been SO bad that it's hard to ignore. I mean at the foul line he almost looks like he's not sure if he's righty or lefty. I know his form has always been weird but good lord. I love watching the Knicks but I've gotten to the point I hate seeing him on the floor and he actively bothers me (and again I used to be a big fan). I'm not a huge Thomas fan either but he has played better.


dan i was not referring to you because i know in the end of noah plays well and the knicks win you are not going to come on here and say how the team is going nowhere, you are happy with the win...

RE: RE: i dont understand how fans of a team  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13255679 Enzo said:
Quote:
In comment 13255669 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..

same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?


well now that you mentioned it, the Knicks rank 27th in defense and they've allowed the most second chance points in the league. Is that a recipe for success?


my point exactly
RE: RE: RE: knicks own holidays rights  
Aspano! : 12/8/2016 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13255677 Aspano! said:
Quote:
In comment 13255655 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 13255647 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


they can easily bring him back


you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?



Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.


And I don't think you know the difference between Bird Rights and Early Bird Rights. Either that, or you're confusing the two.
I  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 5:12 pm : link
will say this about Lance Thomas, his entire game looks like a player with limited physical gifts who worked really, really hard to be a solid NBA player, so for that he deserves props.
RE: RE: i dont understand how fans of a team  
Keith : 12/8/2016 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13255673 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
In comment 13255669 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..

same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?



Just speaking for myself... Noah has been SO bad that it's hard to ignore. I mean at the foul line he almost looks like he's not sure if he's righty or lefty. I know his form has always been weird but good lord. I love watching the Knicks but I've gotten to the point I hate seeing him on the floor and he actively bothers me (and again I used to be a big fan). I'm not a huge Thomas fan either but he has played better.


He should shoot underhand. I know it's ugly, but it can't be as ugly as his normal "shot".
RE: RE: RE: knicks own holidays rights  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13255677 Aspano! said:
Quote:
In comment 13255655 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 13255647 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


they can easily bring him back


you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?



Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.

league average salary for current season is likely going to be higher than that based on cap spike.
RE: RE: RE: i dont understand how fans of a team  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13255684 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
In comment 13255679 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 13255669 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


watch their team and they are playing well and look at every negative thing rather than just enjoying the moment..

same thing with the giants, 8-4 win 6 in a row, oh they are not winning convincing enough, seriously?


well now that you mentioned it, the Knicks rank 27th in defense and they've allowed the most second chance points in the league. Is that a recipe for success?



my point exactly

must be nice to stick your head in the sand and think everything is going swell.
RE: I  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13255687 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
will say this about Lance Thomas, his entire game looks like a player with limited physical gifts who worked really, really hard to be a solid NBA player, so for that he deserves props.

if he wasn't so useless when it comes to rebounding he would be much more tolerable.
RE: Great  
Deej : 12/8/2016 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13255678 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
read on Morey Link - ( New Window )


Morey gets too much press for a guy who has put together one conference finals team in a decade. He's done a good job, but good god does he get great press.
RE: RE: Great  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13255703 Deej said:
Quote:
In comment 13255678 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


read on Morey Link - ( New Window )



Morey gets too much press for a guy who has put together one conference finals team in a decade. He's done a good job, but good god does he get great press.


I just found it to be a fascinating read vs. really caring about Morey.
RE: RE: RE: RE: knicks own holidays rights  
Aspano! : 12/8/2016 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13255695 Enzo said:
Quote:
In comment 13255677 Aspano! said:


Quote:


In comment 13255655 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 13255647 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


they can easily bring him back


you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?



Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.


league average salary for current season is likely going to be higher than that based on cap spike.


The league average salary for this year is $5.2M. It's not the projected cap, it's the average of this year's contracts. The number can be calculated right now.
no i just dont rip the team every chance i get  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 5:20 pm : link
..
RE: RE: I  
DanMetroMan : 12/8/2016 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13255702 Enzo said:
Quote:
In comment 13255687 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


will say this about Lance Thomas, his entire game looks like a player with limited physical gifts who worked really, really hard to be a solid NBA player, so for that he deserves props.


if he wasn't so useless when it comes to rebounding he would be much more tolerable.


Agreed. As I said I'm admittedly not a big fan of his. Just strikes me as a guy who turned himself into an NBA player.
I actually feel bad for Enzo,  
Keith : 12/8/2016 5:21 pm : link
he seems so angry and upset. Even when things are going well he wants to see the bad. It's sad actually. I'd like to get him a holiday present in the hopes that it makes him happy......




I'll even get it with Grants name on the back!


RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: knicks own holidays rights  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13255705 Aspano! said:
Quote:
In comment 13255695 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 13255677 Aspano! said:


Quote:


In comment 13255655 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 13255647 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


they can easily bring him back


you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?



Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.


league average salary for current season is likely going to be higher than that based on cap spike.



The league average salary for this year is $5.2M. It's not the projected cap, it's the average of this year's contracts. The number can be calculated right now.

per the FAQ, league average salary for last season was $5.9 m. With huge contracts signed for this season, average for this season is sure to be higher. Plus, they don't even know the exact number until after the moratorium.
Link - ( New Window )
enzo, the only reason you are mad  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 5:30 pm : link
is because the knicks are not building the team the way you want them to build the team for the future..

fact is you have no idea which way is best and you have no idea what the future holds and you wont admit that an just stick to the narrative that they are doing it wrong...

RE: no i just dont rip the team every chance i get  
Enzo : 12/8/2016 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13255706 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
..

neither do I. But I also have little tolerance for crap like "Phil has done an amazing job" and "we have so much cap space!". And yeah, I've been a fan of several of Phil's moves (Lee, Lopez, O'Quinn) and I've said as much several times.
RE: enzo, the only reason you are mad  
Deej : 12/8/2016 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13255719 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
is because the knicks are not building the team the way you want them to build the team for the future..

fact is you have no idea which way is best and you have no idea what the future holds and you wont admit that an just stick to the narrative that they are doing it wrong...


I have some idea of what the future holds for the back end of the Noah deal. I can project what is likely based on experience and precedent. It is silly to pretend otherwise.
I wouldnt call Holiday  
Deej : 12/8/2016 5:39 pm : link
and "good rotation piece" at this point. He doesnt get a minute of run on the top teams, barring injuries. Someone may give him real term this offseason because there is so much money to be spent just to get to the cap floor and because he's got components of a good game. But he's not a guy Im looking for give 3-4 years to, or 5 million to.

Im not down on JH. He is fine. I would like to see how he develops this season. I could change my tune after 60 games.
RE: RE: enzo, the only reason you are mad  
nygiants16 : 12/8/2016 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13255732 Deej said:
Quote:
In comment 13255719 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


is because the knicks are not building the team the way you want them to build the team for the future..

fact is you have no idea which way is best and you have no idea what the future holds and you wont admit that an just stick to the narrative that they are doing it wrong...




I have some idea of what the future holds for the back end of the Noah deal. I can project what is likely based on experience and precedent. It is silly to pretend otherwise.


but we really dont know, the new cba could have an amnesty and they cut him...

maybe science comes out with youth potion ☺
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: knicks own holidays rights  
Aspano! : 12/8/2016 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13255718 Enzo said:
Quote:
In comment 13255705 Aspano! said:


Quote:


In comment 13255695 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 13255677 Aspano! said:


Quote:


In comment 13255655 Enzo said:


Quote:


In comment 13255647 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


they can easily bring him back


you comfortable going full early bird for him at this point?



Ummmm, what? Full early bird for Holiday would be around $5.4M annually. You think that's too much for a good rotation piece? And that's without mentioning that his cap hold would only be around $1.4M. Worrying about Holiday's cost this coming FA period is like worrying that it's gonna rain because a small cloud obscured the sun on an otherwise clear day.


league average salary for current season is likely going to be higher than that based on cap spike.



The league average salary for this year is $5.2M. It's not the projected cap, it's the average of this year's contracts. The number can be calculated right now.


per the FAQ, league average salary for last season was $5.9 m. With huge contracts signed for this season, average for this season is sure to be higher. Plus, they don't even know the exact number until after the moratorium. Link - ( New Window )


Fair enough. I was going by the bball-ref estimate of 2016-17 avg. salaries, which was calculated at $5.28M.
For the record  
Keith : 12/8/2016 5:45 pm : link
I only say phil has been amazing to get under your skin. I think he's been solid.

You've been bashing every move since the day phil took over before anyone said he's been great, don't pretend you are just fighting the good fight.
RE: RE: RE: enzo, the only reason you are mad  
Deej : 12/8/2016 5:47 pm : link
In comment 13255739 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
In comment 13255732 Deej said:


Quote:


In comment 13255719 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


is because the knicks are not building the team the way you want them to build the team for the future..

fact is you have no idea which way is best and you have no idea what the future holds and you wont admit that an just stick to the narrative that they are doing it wrong...




I have some idea of what the future holds for the back end of the Noah deal. I can project what is likely based on experience and precedent. It is silly to pretend otherwise.



but we really dont know, the new cba could have an amnesty and they cut him...

maybe science comes out with youth potion ☺


Last I read, amnesty is unlikely.

Dumb teams roll the dice on injured players over the age of 30. Yes, everything could work out. It is not likely.
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 <<Prev | Show All |  Next>>
Back to the Corner