I was re-watching some of the came and noticed this play. I don't know if anyone else caught it.
It was 3rd and 5 for the Giants at their own 15. The Cowboys were trying to get some quick substitutions, and Eli does a good job going for a quick snap and catching the defense with too many men on the field. Unfortunately the refs missed it. Collinsworth misses badly on his description too. He shows the replay and highlights that what Eli is trying to do, but doesn't comment on the fact that the 2 of the Cowboys had not gotten off the field when the ball was snapped.
The question is, should McAdoo have challenged the play since that is one of the few penalties that are reviewable. The penalty would have likely gotten them a first down, though it's possible it would have been 3rd and inches.
You never know when you will need the challenges, but I tend to think this was a missed opportunity by the coaches. If you can get a first down rather than be forced to punt, I think you do it. I'm not sure what camera view the coaches have access to in order to make these decisions, so it could be excusable, but it was definitely unfortunate the refs missed it.
Here is a screen shot that shows the extra men.
I had to look that one up because I don't think I've ever seen that call either. Apparently a DL can't hold a pulling OL. That's the only thing I could find that would explain such a call.
Vaguely remember another Giants DT being called for holding in the last ~5 years or so too.
Vaguely remember another Giants DT being called for holding in the last ~5 years or so too.
That was on a screen pass, which is not as unusual. Problem with that one was that Hamilton didn't hold anyone.
Because in this screen grab, while the players are still on the field, the ball hasn't been snapped yet.
I think you're wrong. Richburg's right hand is in motion and off the ground. The ball is hidden behind him but it's been snapped. I believe.
That is supposed to be considered holding, yet one series later, the flag comes out - on us!
Quote:
of this with the ball being snapped and 12 (or more) Cowboys still on the field.
Because in this screen grab, while the players are still on the field, the ball hasn't been snapped yet.
I think you're wrong. Richburg's right hand is in motion and off the ground. The ball is hidden behind him but it's been snapped. I believe.
Someone posted one that shows the ball snapped and players on the field. In the original the ball is not seen, so it's impossible to say I'm wrong based on that screen shot.
Quote:
In comment 13262902 pjcas18 said:
Quote:
of this with the ball being snapped and 12 (or more) Cowboys still on the field.
Because in this screen grab, while the players are still on the field, the ball hasn't been snapped yet.
I think you're wrong. Richburg's right hand is in motion and off the ground. The ball is hidden behind him but it's been snapped. I believe.
Someone posted one that shows the ball snapped and players on the field. In the original the ball is not seen, so it's impossible to say I'm wrong based on that screen shot.
The original photo shows Richburg's right arm between his legs as he is snapping the ball. You can't see the ball, since it is behind him, but it is clearly after the snap.
Regardless, I'd love to see a shot from the all-22 video that would show how far on the field the players were. I suspect it was not even close, and was an awful missed call by the refs.