Basically, our guys are great but we could sure use some tall guys Eli could throw to. We might be able to grab one in the draft, but we have cap space. ANybody know of any who might be available?
are plenty of big, tall, WRs. But can they separate? If not, then you risk getting another Ramses Barden. Darius Powe was Goff's favorite target, but was still not drafted. Same for Paul McRoberts and Keyarris Garrett, who both had excellent college careers. Former Giant Geremy Davis was a sixth round pick despite his size.
Cruz is likely gone after this season. I'm OK with OBJ, SS, Lewis, King, and Powe. Add a vet FA WR, or use a day three pick. We need a TE who can stretch the seam.
Drafting one to develop and running with the others is more likely
will be expensive. I realize that Floyd just had a dui, but he has really bigtime tools and would be worth a low price gamble to maybe turn his life and career around in blue.
cap money will be better spent on linemen or possibly a high-grade TE. Give Eli 1 more second per play and he'd find OBJ, SS and anybody else a lot easier. Give him 2 seconds and...
cap money will be better spent on linemen or possibly a high-grade TE. Give Eli 1 more second per play and he'd find OBJ, SS and anybody else a lot easier. Give him 2 seconds and...
And what if you have the cap room to spend on linemen, a TE, and a WR?
We need to resign JPP and Hankins, we need help on the offensive line, we need help at running back, we need help at tight end, we need help at free safety and possibly cornerback, we need a backup QB and we need a big physical wideout, but I doubt we are going into free agency for that player. Anyone good will cost way too much, like Britt, he will probably get about 7 mil per season, we can't pay that. We have to draft well and nail a walk on or two, and develop players. That is the must in the NFL today.
cap money will be better spent on linemen or possibly a high-grade TE. Give Eli 1 more second per play and he'd find OBJ, SS and anybody else a lot easier. Give him 2 seconds and...
Don't forget that Will Johnson will return next year. His injury really screwed this offense, IMO.
is 6'2, 202 lbs has had a banner year and made 3rd team AP All-American team. Should be around in the 3rd - 5th round because he did nothing prior to this year.
This past season in 12 games he had 94 receptions for 1482 yards and 14 TDs and is super fast and elusive with a nose for the end zone. He is one of five players called "on the rise" on draft boards in selected reports. CBS lists him as mid-round draft pick, but could go higher
Most WRs over 6'2 aren't as fast and many end up as TEs (IMHO)
and sign a LT as well as another one or 2 OL, a LB, a legit #1 RB and a FS plus a DE for some depth.. sign Hankins.. and figure out what to do about Pugh.. then we can worry about the WR.. Having the next great WR isn't going to help the offense is we can't protect the QB.. This isn't fantasy Football with your draft WR in the first 3 rounds theory.. We've overspent on WR already in terms of drafts and salary to Cruz..
Average at best and misses too many game or is too dinged up to be productive.. I think we need someone physical and big over someone fast.. Again this should be one of our last concerns..
What TE out there is honestly an upgrade (Bennett is not happening) that is commanding dollars - NONE
Stop with the CB issue - the D has 3 top CB's right now - the depth will be low level guys
They are currently 32M under the cap with Cruz and Thomas providing 10M more.
They can easily resign JPP, Hankins redo Pugh contract and still get OL help
They are not going to go out and spend 50M on a G or RT. There are no FA LT. Who are you going to pay huge dollars to. Kalil, Reiff, The RT market is terrible
What G is commanding all these dollars - Zeitler, Warford, Warmack
Is Leary that good or benefiting from playing between Smith & Frederick
What TE out there is honestly an upgrade (Bennett is not happening) that is commanding dollars - NONE
Stop with the CB issue - the D has 3 top CB's right now - the depth will be low level guys
They are currently 32M under the cap with Cruz and Thomas providing 10M more.
They can easily resign JPP, Hankins redo Pugh contract and still get OL help
They are not going to go out and spend 50M on a G or RT. There are no FA LT. Who are you going to pay huge dollars to. Kalil, Reiff, The RT market is terrible
What G is commanding all these dollars - Zeitler, Warford, Warmack
Is Leary that good or benefiting from playing between Smith & Frederick
Maybe Whitworth on a short deal?
I'd rather give Marshall about that much for like 1-2 years, he's a better overall player.
Paterson is an interesting name as he provides speed and some big play ability. We really don't need a stud, we just need someone who can ideally stretch the field and is a physical presence.
I'd watch what the Jets do as I don't think they should pay Marshall and Decker when they have Enua in a rebuilding year. They may not be the burners but are physical and polished. Piere Garcon may be let lose also. He is smaller than he looks/plays but may be the right person.
I think we are at the point where for the first time in awhile, will be in good shape if we can sign our own guys. I don't think our offense is in awful shape. I think some solid complementary players (fullback/blocking tight end, NFL caliber starting flanker (Cruz isn't these days) will get the offense back to respectable. On defense, I think we need another pass rusher somewhere along the line/linebacker.
I know in the past there were rumblings that he couldn't be too close to North Jersey as that's where his from, and he rolls with a crew that gets him in trouble. But for his sake, I hope he's old enough now that this shit doesn't matter.
Patterson is essentially a KR. Vikings haven't gotten anything out of him at WR.
I get that Floyd has tools, but save for one stretch over the second half of last year, he's been awful and a total disappointment. I really hope the Giants don't shell out big bucks for him.
Alshon would simply be a misallocation of resources.
for a guy who has been in trouble alot, but then I remembered Britt went to Rutgers...
He just turned 28 and is going to turn in a 1000 yard season with the worst QB tandem in the NFL. There is a lot of skepticism in believing he's really that good and he's probably going to be pushing for a big contract. Don't see him being a value deal, he underperformed even his current contract until this year.
I'd much rather go for Marshall on a short contract if we are going after headcase WRs.
If we are going after Rams guys I'd take Brian quick who might cost 1/4th of what Britt is going to get. He's 6'4", averages 14 yards a catch.
We need to resign JPP and Hankins, we need help on the offensive line, we need help at running back, we need help at tight end, we need help at free safety and possibly cornerback, we need a backup QB and we need a big physical wideout, but I doubt we are going into free agency for that player. Anyone good will cost way too much, like Britt, he will probably get about 7 mil per season, we can't pay that. We have to draft well and nail a walk on or two, and develop players. That is the must in the NFL today.
You never know what will happen but I tend to agree Giants will sign JPP and Hankins and maybe a lower-priced OL. The rest of the holes they will try to fill through the draft.
We need to resign JPP and Hankins, we need help on the offensive line, we need help at running back, we need help at tight end, we need help at free safety and possibly cornerback, we need a backup QB and we need a big physical wideout, but I doubt we are going into free agency for that player. Anyone good will cost way too much, like Britt, he will probably get about 7 mil per season, we can't pay that. We have to draft well and nail a walk on or two, and develop players. That is the must in the NFL today.
You never know what will happen but I tend to agree Giants will sign JPP and Hankins and maybe a lower-priced OL. The rest of the holes they will try to fill through the draft.
Do we really need help in the secondary? By all accounts Thompson looked legit in the limited time he played. The team already splurged on defense last year and if we keep JPP and Hankins there may not be more than 1 or 2 defenses that are better than this one, if that.
I agree on not committing long term to a mediocre WR. But if the Jets cut Marshall and we can get him on a 1 year deal for $6-7M it'd be hard to ignore that.
Get Doyle for maybe $4-5M a year.
Maybe sign Whitworth for a year or two to shore up LT. Spend the rest of the cap on OL depth, maybe move Flowers to RG and sign a serviceable RT.
Always draft BPA but if that's a RB, so be it (e.g. Foreman or Mccaffrey).
It'd be really hard not to be excited for the same exact defense next year and an offense with:
ODB, Marshall, Shep (year 2), Doyle and a RB trio of Foreman/Mccaffrey, Perkins and Vereen.
Plus Tye and Adams are nothing to write home about now but may project as + rotating TEs.
are plenty of big, tall, WRs. But can they separate? If not, then you risk getting another Ramses Barden. Darius Powe was Goff's favorite target, but was still not drafted. Same for Paul McRoberts and Keyarris Garrett, who both had excellent college careers. Former Giant Geremy Davis was a sixth round pick despite his size.
Cruz is likely gone after this season. I'm OK with OBJ, SS, Lewis, King, and Powe. Add a vet FA WR, or use a day three pick. We need a TE who can stretch the seam.
Darius Powe was not Goff's favorite target. That was easily Kenny Lawler. I would also say that Bryce Treggs was his second and then Stephen Anderson and then maybe a tie between Powe and Trevor Davis for 4th or 5th.
FS is still a question mark, given Thompson's injuries, and they need to get busy developing a CB or two as DRC begins to phase out.
Of course, but are we really going to shell out cash for our 4th CB after we took one in the 1st round, and what would probably be the worst offense in the league sans Odell? Eli has probably 2 years at best left.
Not a FA, but I really want Courtland Sutton in the Draft
FS is still a question mark, given Thompson's injuries, and they need to get busy developing a CB or two as DRC begins to phase out.
Of course, but are we really going to shell out cash for our 4th CB after we took one in the 1st round, and what would probably be the worst offense in the league sans Odell? Eli has probably 2 years at best left.
Probably not, but Reese puts a big premium on DB via the draft.
I would give K. Britt a 4 year 28-32M 13-15M guaranteed
I would tell him to go fuck himself for that kind of money. The Giants aren't going to spend big bucks on a #2WR when they already have Sterling Shepard in the fold as the slot receiver.
Bang for buck-wise, it just doesn't make sense to spend money in the free agent market on a receiver. The Giants can find their #2 in the draft, they just need to not wait until day three. A 2nd or 3rd round pick is the way to go.
Cruz is likely gone after this season. I'm OK with OBJ, SS, Lewis, King, and Powe. Add a vet FA WR, or use a day three pick. We need a TE who can stretch the seam.
Kenny Britt - yes he has age, but he can still run and get open
Coradelle Patterson - He has all sorts of tools
Michael Floyd - Another who has all sorts of tools
None of these guys are breaking the bank
I am not touching Jeffrey at all. He has basically quit playing
Kenny Britt - yes he has age, but he can still run and get open
Coradelle Patterson - He has all sorts of tools
Michael Floyd - Another who has all sorts of tools
None of these guys are breaking the bank
I am not touching Jeffrey at all. He has basically quit playing
I like Britt but he's not exactly a value guy if he gets a similar deal to what he is one.
Patterson is an awful WR.
Floyd will get paid. Maybe not what Jeffrey will make but this guy will get paid by somebody.
Imagine after all the hand ringing during the Nicks draft if he ends up on the team after all.
There are 28 WR's making over 6M
I would give K. Britt a 4 year 28-32M 13-15M guaranteed
Floyd would cost more as he is 2 years younger
maybe Powe gets a chance next year .
And what if you have the cap room to spend on linemen, a TE, and a WR?
Don't forget that Will Johnson will return next year. His injury really screwed this offense, IMO.
He's signed through 2018.
This past season in 12 games he had 94 receptions for 1482 yards and 14 TDs and is super fast and elusive with a nose for the end zone. He is one of five players called "on the rise" on draft boards in selected reports. CBS lists him as mid-round draft pick, but could go higher
Most WRs over 6'2 aren't as fast and many end up as TEs (IMHO)
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I thought this would be a breakout year but he broke his hand and then Adams really stepped up. Not sure if he's a FA.
Also there's the chance we get a hometown discount.
What TE out there is honestly an upgrade (Bennett is not happening) that is commanding dollars - NONE
Stop with the CB issue - the D has 3 top CB's right now - the depth will be low level guys
They are currently 32M under the cap with Cruz and Thomas providing 10M more.
They can easily resign JPP, Hankins redo Pugh contract and still get OL help
They are not going to go out and spend 50M on a G or RT. There are no FA LT. Who are you going to pay huge dollars to. Kalil, Reiff, The RT market is terrible
What G is commanding all these dollars - Zeitler, Warford, Warmack
Is Leary that good or benefiting from playing between Smith & Frederick
What TE out there is honestly an upgrade (Bennett is not happening) that is commanding dollars - NONE
Stop with the CB issue - the D has 3 top CB's right now - the depth will be low level guys
They are currently 32M under the cap with Cruz and Thomas providing 10M more.
They can easily resign JPP, Hankins redo Pugh contract and still get OL help
They are not going to go out and spend 50M on a G or RT. There are no FA LT. Who are you going to pay huge dollars to. Kalil, Reiff, The RT market is terrible
What G is commanding all these dollars - Zeitler, Warford, Warmack
Is Leary that good or benefiting from playing between Smith & Frederick
Maybe Whitworth on a short deal?
I'd rather give Marshall about that much for like 1-2 years, he's a better overall player.
Jack Doyle is also a solid TE in FA.
I'd watch what the Jets do as I don't think they should pay Marshall and Decker when they have Enua in a rebuilding year. They may not be the burners but are physical and polished. Piere Garcon may be let lose also. He is smaller than he looks/plays but may be the right person.
I think we are at the point where for the first time in awhile, will be in good shape if we can sign our own guys. I don't think our offense is in awful shape. I think some solid complementary players (fullback/blocking tight end, NFL caliber starting flanker (Cruz isn't these days) will get the offense back to respectable. On defense, I think we need another pass rusher somewhere along the line/linebacker.
Patterson is essentially a KR. Vikings haven't gotten anything out of him at WR.
I get that Floyd has tools, but save for one stretch over the second half of last year, he's been awful and a total disappointment. I really hope the Giants don't shell out big bucks for him.
Alshon would simply be a misallocation of resources.
And he wants his number back!
He just turned 28 and is going to turn in a 1000 yard season with the worst QB tandem in the NFL. There is a lot of skepticism in believing he's really that good and he's probably going to be pushing for a big contract. Don't see him being a value deal, he underperformed even his current contract until this year.
I'd much rather go for Marshall on a short contract if we are going after headcase WRs.
If we are going after Rams guys I'd take Brian quick who might cost 1/4th of what Britt is going to get. He's 6'4", averages 14 yards a catch.
You never know what will happen but I tend to agree Giants will sign JPP and Hankins and maybe a lower-priced OL. The rest of the holes they will try to fill through the draft.
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We need to resign JPP and Hankins, we need help on the offensive line, we need help at running back, we need help at tight end, we need help at free safety and possibly cornerback, we need a backup QB and we need a big physical wideout, but I doubt we are going into free agency for that player. Anyone good will cost way too much, like Britt, he will probably get about 7 mil per season, we can't pay that. We have to draft well and nail a walk on or two, and develop players. That is the must in the NFL today.
You never know what will happen but I tend to agree Giants will sign JPP and Hankins and maybe a lower-priced OL. The rest of the holes they will try to fill through the draft.
Do we really need help in the secondary? By all accounts Thompson looked legit in the limited time he played. The team already splurged on defense last year and if we keep JPP and Hankins there may not be more than 1 or 2 defenses that are better than this one, if that.
I agree on not committing long term to a mediocre WR. But if the Jets cut Marshall and we can get him on a 1 year deal for $6-7M it'd be hard to ignore that.
Get Doyle for maybe $4-5M a year.
Maybe sign Whitworth for a year or two to shore up LT. Spend the rest of the cap on OL depth, maybe move Flowers to RG and sign a serviceable RT.
Always draft BPA but if that's a RB, so be it (e.g. Foreman or Mccaffrey).
It'd be really hard not to be excited for the same exact defense next year and an offense with:
ODB, Marshall, Shep (year 2), Doyle and a RB trio of Foreman/Mccaffrey, Perkins and Vereen.
Plus Tye and Adams are nothing to write home about now but may project as + rotating TEs.
I thought this would be a breakout year but he broke his hand and then Adams really stepped up. Not sure if he's a FA.
I like this if he's available. Cheap with a lot of upside.
I don't think the Giants should be tying up much FA dollars in the WR position this off-season.
Cruz is likely gone after this season. I'm OK with OBJ, SS, Lewis, King, and Powe. Add a vet FA WR, or use a day three pick. We need a TE who can stretch the seam.
Darius Powe was not Goff's favorite target. That was easily Kenny Lawler. I would also say that Bryce Treggs was his second and then Stephen Anderson and then maybe a tie between Powe and Trevor Davis for 4th or 5th.
Of course, but are we really going to shell out cash for our 4th CB after we took one in the 1st round, and what would probably be the worst offense in the league sans Odell? Eli has probably 2 years at best left.
I think he's going to be a beast in the NFL
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FS is still a question mark, given Thompson's injuries, and they need to get busy developing a CB or two as DRC begins to phase out.
Of course, but are we really going to shell out cash for our 4th CB after we took one in the 1st round, and what would probably be the worst offense in the league sans Odell? Eli has probably 2 years at best left.
Probably not, but Reese puts a big premium on DB via the draft.
TEs take a while to develop and break out. Which could be a reason not to overlook Adams as a guy that can contribute sooner or later.
Not saying not to take a TE if he's good value.
Bang for buck-wise, it just doesn't make sense to spend money in the free agent market on a receiver. The Giants can find their #2 in the draft, they just need to not wait until day three. A 2nd or 3rd round pick is the way to go.