Do we have the cap space to sign

Will have between 25 and 30 million.

We should have ~$30M in space before making any potential cuts.

The only real question is whether they want 4 big contracts along the DL. That could limit their ability to spend elsewhere in 2-3 years.

Vernon and Snacks combine to count $19.6M against the cap this year. Though the structure of the deals will likely be different, I think the AAV for Vernon and Snacks are probably the upper end of what JPP and Hankins are looking at respectively.

think we can and sign a quality lineman or TE....

how much they are both seeking. Now, as we know, the deals can be such that they aren't paid big money in their first year and probably they would want big guaranteed money. I think we need to get this done and keep this group together although I do think Hank is more of a priority, if it comes down to that. We have seen how much losing Linval hurt us.

Who is the quality TE or OL commanding huge dollars worth signing.

They are not resigning Bennett. After him there is little.

Look at the OL FA - who is out there that will command huge dollars - no one

Here is a link that shows the Giants cap money for 2017.

As of now, 2017 appears their cap liabilities is around $137million.

NFL cap next year is expected to be around $170 Million
OVER THE CAP - NY GIANTS - ( New Window )

At TE, no one's getting "big" $$ (deals like Ertz, Reed, Kelce). Bennett's probably the cream of the crop and I can't see anyone really giving him more than $6-7M per season for 3-4 years. That might even be a stretch based on his "oddities".

Apparently some like Jack Doyle, but I'd guess he's looking at $4-6M per year for 4-5 years.

There's definitely some OL guys available, but how much they're willing to spend likely comes down to their evaluations of Flowers and Hart. If they want to keep them as the OTs, you're probably looking at RG only and maybe a backup swing tackle (possibly even re-signing Newhouse).

really good TE prospects in this year's draft. My hope is we snag one of them in rounds 1 or 2. Don't think we should look at TE in free agency.

sign JPP, Hank, and maybe not a top tier but a really solid G or T with the cap space we have.

But I would appeal to Eli and ask him to take a cut so we can sign an O lineman for him. He's made a lot of money in his career and may take a cut in pay ala Brady to get another shot at a ring.

People reflexively act as if we are pressed against the cap due to previous years. However, we have the room to sign all of Hankins, JPP, and Pugh, AND add someone in FA, which we should do.

Also, sorry to be nitpicky but it'd be easier to read your threat title if you just put the whole thing in the title. Sorry if that came off as douchey.

in the draft would be TE-G or vice versa depending on our draft slot. Quenton Nelson is of ND is a getting a lot of first round love at guard. Would love to see him in blue. Him and Jake Butt would be fantastic.

In comment 13267359 bigbb said:

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Will have between 25 and 30 million.

Cruz will be a 9+mill cap savings. We will be closer to 40 under. If Hank and-or JPP get a multiyear deal year 1 can be structured with a smaller cap hit. We can easily sign both with plenty cap money left over if we so choose.

But... signing 4 guys on the DL to big $$ contracts is most likely not going to happen.

only saves $7.5M in cap space.

option was picked up for a 5th year, so likely we won't extend him until next season.

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But I would appeal to Eli and ask him to take a cut so we can sign an O lineman for him. He's made a lot of money in his career and may take a cut in pay ala Brady to get another shot at a ring.

Hasn't Eli switched around his money a bit in the past to accommodate the roster? Maybe I'm wrong but I think they can always do this - just switch the guaranteed money around.

They can take his $13M base salary and restructure it. Basically convert it to a bonus and pro-rate that over the rest of his deal. But you're not really 'saving' money in the long run doing that, you're just moving it around. If you're confident Eli will play out his deal, it might make sense.

teams with even more money, so if the Giants really let them go to free agency, Giants might get outbid.

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only saves $7.5M in cap space.

Only?

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They can take his $13M base salary and restructure it. Basically convert it to a bonus and pro-rate that over the rest of his deal. But you're not really 'saving' money in the long run doing that, you're just moving it around. If you're confident Eli will play out his deal, it might make sense.

What I mean is exactly what you said, and you may not save money in the long run but with our current window, we could free up cap space for a year or two.

going forward OBJ, Collins, Richburg, Pugh, are all going to be lining up for new contracts

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In comment 13267414 giants#1 said: Quote: only saves $7.5M in cap space. Only?

That was in response to the guy claiming he'll save $9M+

At worst we'd have to restructure a few contracts and make a few cuts that are coming anyway (Cruz and Thomas, to name two).

The rest of this season should be devoted to seeing if Okwara and Odighizuwa are viable options moving forward. Devon Kennard has shown that he can play off the edge also. Maybe they pack a few pounds on him and make him a DE. If so, the Giants might be better served drafting the best DE on the board in round 1 and letting JPP move on. The money saved can be used to fill other holes like the OL and TE.

...the question is the ramifications on the rest of your roster vis a vis the salary cap. You don't want to get into a 'rob Peter to pay Paul' scenario. A balanced roster is still the best way to win games.

would make them pretty D heavy for 2017 (~$90M vs ~$65M for the O), but most their core O players (Beckham, Pugh, Richburg, etc) are still on rookie deals with Eli and Cruz the obvious exceptions. That'll obviously change over the next 2-3 years as those guys get extensions.

Dallas is ridiculously O heavy for 2017. Currently they have $117M allocated to the O. Next most is SD at $87.5M. This could very well be Witten's last year in Dallas with a $12.3M cap hit and potential cap savings of $7.4M.

Would you like him in a Giant uniform next year, if a cap casualty?

to have $28.5m of cap room per overthecap.com (I'll link below).

However, the cap is expected to rise $10-$15 million in 2017. Per Tom Pelissero on Twitter and Rotoworld.

So, it appears that there should be plenty of room to make a competitive offer to both guys. I'm expecting JPP to take a bit of a hometown discount with his injuries. And, Hankins will probably demand a pretty lucrative deal considering his production and age.

Two positions I am very interested to see what the Giants FO does with are LB and TE. A lot of LB's are pending FA's, not that our LB corps is staggering by any means, but guys like Herzlich, Kelvin Sheppard are both quality depth at the position. I'm curious to see how Herzlich is handled, especially. I got a feeling he was always kept on the team because of TC and his being entrenched in the Giants organization. Almost a Chase Blackburn kind of guy.

Will Tye and Donnell are also both FA's. I wouldn't be surprised if both walk. But I expect Tye to come back if there's a reasonably cheap contract agreed to.

Here's the link.
Giants 2017 Cap Calculator - ( New Window )

That's a lot of space but as people have noted the cap rising means all the teams get extra space so salaries tend to rise for premium free agents

That said, I think Hankins and JPP are locks to be resigned. Plus Giants can always franchise JPP

There was still a big unspent chunk from the 2015 cap that should roll forward

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Would you like him in a Giant uniform next year, if a cap casualty?

No. Still a solid blocker (though he was Donnell level bad in the opener) but he runs like Donnell now, sans somersaults.

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That's a lot of space but as people have noted the cap rising means all the teams get extra space so salaries tend to rise for premium free agents That said, I think Hankins and JPP are locks to be resigned. Plus Giants can always franchise JPP

More money chasing fewer players could be a bad thing

He's an exlusive rights FA so other teams can't even make him offers and he won't cost much.

If Sheppard wants more than the vet min you just let him walk and sign another vet MLB for the vet min. He's easily replaceable. Hopefully Goodson can start at MLB next season.

The LB they should look to re-sign is Keenan Robinson. It'll be interesting to see what he's looking for on the open market as he might be another Black Unicorn and price himself out of our target range.

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In comment 13267529 Vanzetti said: Quote: That's a lot of space but as people have noted the cap rising means all the teams get extra space so salaries tend to rise for premium free agents That said, I think Hankins and JPP are locks to be resigned. Plus Giants can always franchise JPP More money chasing fewer players could be a bad thing

Depends on the player. I'm sure some will gladly take an extra $2M per season to play in Cleveland, while others will want nothing to do with that disaster.

we have a lot of cap flexibility and can restructure or cut Cruz, extend Pugh, and probably rework Eli's deal if it came to it.

Is OBJ wanting a new contract. I can't imagine his agent and him waiting on another year to go by without getting him paid. And he's entering his final year of his rookie contract.

OBJ should also get done.

that we will only be able sign 1. Both guys are going to command a hefty contract and we already have Vernon, and Harrison with some pretty big contacts.

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OBJ should also get done.

... in 2019.

sucks for him that he's outplaying it, but those are the rules and there's nothing he can do about it. The Giants would be fools to give him a deal before next season.

by cutting Cruz, JT Thomas, Jennings, Vareen and Dwayne Harris. Maybe Vareen and Harris come back at lower rates....but we can lose all those guys without too much of a dramatic impact on our team. That frees up a lot of money.

Pugh is also schedule for a $8.8M cap hit next year....extend him and you should e able to reduce that number by $2/3 million.

The real problem is not next year....they can do just about anything they want and make it fit under the cap next year.....the real issue is 2-3 years down the road when all the cap hits on all these contract start to increase substantially. That's when teams find themselves in cap hell.

They key of course, as always, is to keep drafting well and have quality sound (and cheap) players to take over key roles on the team.

on this team? I'm not talking about Cruz and JTT, but a lot of these other players have fairly low cap hits (<$3-4M) and will need to be replaced if they are cut. Well, you have 3 ways to replace them:
1. Draft picks (only get 7)
2. Higher priced FAs - prices rise for FAs each year (e.g. Sanu got a 5 yr/$32.5M deal last season)
3. Minimum salaried vets (e.g. Sheppard)

Even the vets min guys are going to cost around $750k, so cutting a guy like Harris and replacing him with an inexperienced rookie or an aging vet is only going to save you ~$500K. How is the drop in production worth that?

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by cutting Cruz, JT Thomas, Jennings, Vareen and Dwayne Harris. Maybe Vareen and Harris come back at lower rates....but we can lose all those guys without too much of a dramatic impact on our team. That frees up a lot of money. Pugh is also schedule for a $8.8M cap hit next year....extend him and you should e able to reduce that number by $2/3 million. The real problem is not next year....they can do just about anything they want and make it fit under the cap next year.....the real issue is 2-3 years down the road when all the cap hits on all these contract start to increase substantially. That's when teams find themselves in cap hell. They key of course, as always, is to keep drafting well and have quality sound (and cheap) players to take over key roles on the team.

2-3 years down the road, Eli is 38-39 years old and probably looking at retirement. The Giants window is that long to get another title before they go into a rebuild.

the Giants are in good cap shape next year and longer term, largely since Eli is unlikely to play well beyond the expiration of his current deal (final year is 2019). And the first year of any new deal Beckham signs will be 2019, so the front office will just need to be a little creative with Beckham's 2019 cap hit to make things work.

Granted if some of the players last season get injured or decline early (a la Snee/Diehl), then they can get in trouble, but as of now things are looking good.

They should worry about real hell as Eli is likely retired at that point.

In comment 13267603 Tesla said:

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by cutting Cruz, JT Thomas, Jennings, Vareen and Dwayne Harris. Maybe Vareen and Harris come back at lower rates....but we can lose all those guys without too much of a dramatic impact on our team. That frees up a lot of money. Pugh is also schedule for a $8.8M cap hit next year....extend him and you should e able to reduce that number by $2/3 million. The real problem is not next year....they can do just about anything they want and make it fit under the cap next year.....the real issue is 2-3 years down the road when all the cap hits on all these contract start to increase substantially. That's when teams find themselves in cap hell. They key of course, as always, is to keep drafting well and have quality sound (and cheap) players to take over key roles on the team.

Vareen can probably be traded if the Giants think Perkins is ready to man the role.

so do salaries so in some ways its a wash. As someone said earlier we have the money to do what we choose but the question is always what are the future ramifications

Jennings, Cruz, JT Thomas, are all probable cuts next year that will save some coin.

that the Giants have only 38 players under contract for next year at this time. They will need to sign at least 20 to fill out the roster and accommodate injured players. That in itself could be from $10 million to $15 million even if they all sign for minimum contracts.

Also, Jerry and Newhouse are FAs. Not saying Giants should resign them, but the positions need to be filled. 2 quality OL will be expensive FA additions. The league just doesn't have enough. We may be able to get one starter from the draft but two seems unrealistic.

Giants have some room but not that much.

enough to pay his home mortgage?"
A: I don't worry about those things. That's Marty in Albany's problem. If he can't do that, he's a God-damned fool that I have no respect for.

Q: Marty in Albany: "Do you worry that the Giants will not have budgeted enough cap room to sign their important players?"

A: I don't worry about those things. That's the Giants' problem. If they can't do that, they're...well you know the rest.

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that the Giants have only 38 players under contract for next year at this time. They will need to sign at least 20 to fill out the roster and accommodate injured players. That in itself could be from $10 million to $15 million even if they all sign for minimum contracts. Also, Jerry and Newhouse are FAs. Not saying Giants should resign them, but the positions need to be filled. 2 quality OL will be expensive FA additions. The league just doesn't have enough. We may be able to get one starter from the draft but two seems unrealistic. Giants have some room but not that much.

I heard this same argument last year; I remember being told that they needed so many players that they would have to fill the entire roster from the bargain bin.

Well the Giants spent money and still managed to fill the roster.

7 of those spots next year will be filled with draft picks, and potentially a couple more with UDFA.

They have plenty of space to work with. The question is how they allocate it.

They can re-sign both JPP and Hankins, but doing so would tie a huge chunk of the cap to the DL.

I think they are willing to pay JPP. It's a position they will spend money on. As for Hankins, I'm not sure they will spend big on another DT after the contract they gave Harrison.

My gut tells me they will sign JPP. Hankins walks and they sign a more affordable DT.

Maybe they find one starter for the OL in FA, and another in the draft.

I'm hoping they let DRC play out his contract, if not a 3rd CB is a near certainty in FA.

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teams with even more money, so if the Giants really let them go to free agency, Giants might get outbid.

Agreed

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But I would appeal to Eli and ask him to take a cut so we can sign an O lineman for him. He's made a lot of money in his career and may take a cut in pay ala Brady to get another shot at a ring.

I wish Eli would come down a bit to help the team and the fans. That said, JPP & Hankins could be re-signed, I'm sure. However, the team likely has some sort of idea where to draw the line and say, "See ya!"

We've let 3 solid DTs go after their rookie contracts. I hope we can keep Hankins with Snacks and JPP also. They can surely keep oppositions from running the ball down the Giants throat.

Can't wait to see where Wilkerson signs next year. Imagine New England with all their cap space lol

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Can't wait to see where Wilkerson signs next year. Imagine New England with all their cap space lol

Not MO, by bad. I thought they had somebody else coming up.

Geez, really botching this up