Otherwise why wouldn't Elliot have been suspended under the domestic abuse policy?
Do you think that Collinsworth and Michaels have been able to wash out the taste of Cowboys jism yet from Sunday night? What a disgraceful display of verbal fellating. It was like Dallas was the Harlem Globetrotters and Tampa the Washington Generals.
Leveon Bell (on behalf of him and Antonio Brown) Â
There is a tangible bias with certain players in the league. Even last night, as much as I don't like Cam Newton he has a point. You breathe on QB's like Brady or Rodgers and there's an automatic flag, but it's almost like there's no holds barred with Cam.
I saw Herm Edwards talking about it this morning and he was saying that the players shouldn't be chirping about it in the media because the officials see it and won't like it, which may cost you a call or two in the future. This is basically admitting that the officials are not being objective in the way they officiate.
There's a huge problem here and it's going to come to a head pretty soon I think.
If you didn't dig yourself a hole with the officials, you'd be getting the respect a top 3 WR deserves.
Just shut up and get back in the huddle!
Well he did and he's made up for it and other players aren't being held to the same rules. This isn't about what Odell Beckham did, this is about what Elliot did.
1. The boost in contributions to the Salvation Army put the NFL even more in the position of looking like Scrooge than normal. Elliot DID get the 15 yard flag before that became an issue.
2. The Cowboys do seem to get more than their fair share of kids gloves treatment on these things.
3. How many QBs other than Cam Newton, a known PITA, wouldn't have gotten a flag on the blow to the head last night? Clearly, the refs have a different standard for certain players.
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There is a tangible bias with certain players in the league. Even last night, as much as I don't like Cam Newton he has a point. You breathe on QB's like Brady or Rodgers and there's an automatic flag, but it's almost like there's no holds barred with Cam.
I saw Herm Edwards talking about it this morning and he was saying that the players shouldn't be chirping about it in the media because the officials see it and won't like it, which may cost you a call or two in the future. This is basically admitting that the officials are not being objective in the way they officiate.
There's a huge problem here and it's going to come to a head pretty soon I think.
I hate the way they treat Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers.. Every time they are touched its a flag and I can't remember any team getting as many calls as the Packers.. In 2 games in 2011 against the packers.. Refs blew like 4-6 calls that each led to scores for them.. some even on replays which showed the guy catching a thrid down pass out of bounds and another showed them fumbling before knee hit the ground.. And that horrible call against Osi when he hit Rodgers.. Thats also the same reason why I have sympathy for Cam.. People hate on his attitude but Aaron and Tom are pretty much bitches as well but since NFL referees allow them to get the calls people think Tom is this tough dude.. When in reality he is a Uggs wearing pussy..
(particularly the former) get ridiculous treatment from the refs. Anything remotely close is flagged, including some game changing ones that were not late hits (I think they beat Det on a hailmary last year after a bs PF extended the game).
But a lot of the no calls against Newton are due to his unique running ability. He has a legit beef on some of them, but some of the ones he's whined about he was a runner on and thus not owed the same protections. Last night's should've been called since it was helmet-to-helmet, but based on Newton's running ability and the fact he often doesn't slide, defenders are going to likely be given a little extra latitude in contacting him when he does slide (though H2H contact still needs to be called).
If you didn't dig yourself a hole with the officials, you'd be getting the respect a top 3 WR deserves.
Just shut up and get back in the huddle!
Well he did and he's made up for it and other players aren't being held to the same rules. This isn't about what Odell Beckham did, this is about what Elliot did.
Some people are really dense.
This is about what OBee said about what Zeke did, which is what I was commenting on. I believe you mentioned dense?
for not fining Elliott is that he brought attention to a good cause (which he undoubtedly did), how can the NFL justify past fines and threats of fines for players that wanted to promote charities (by wearing custom shoes or gear on the sideline)?
it is because jerry jones threatened to sue and do you think the nfl wants another lawsuit in the public eye??
and anyone who says that officials treat beckham differently because of the way he acts on the field, then those officials should be suspended, as soon as officials officiate with a personal bias towards a player they should noy be officiating..
That the NFL (and life in general) is never fair and the more he whines about it the less fair it will be for him.
He is coming off like a guy who has had everything handing to him and nothing but praise his whole life, so now can't handle even the little bit of criticism. He even looked like he was sulking at the end of the Lions game (was it because his return was called back or maybe because Eli yelled at him?)
Don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade him for the world and I think all fines for celebrations are ridiculous, but it seems Odell still has to learn how to deal with the disappointment of not being everyone's favorite player.
When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
Ignore this troll. Same guy who said Eli is playing like Danny Kanell. This after the Lions game where Eli had a 115 QB rating. He's just a troll.
He's not a troll, he's simply way off his rocker. Very weird poster. I remember the Eugene Monroe thread where he was fixated on what form it was ingested, and posted links to some religious website about the dangers of pot. Something's off upstairs with 2012.
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it is because jerry jones threatened to sue and do you think the nfl wants another lawsuit in the public eye??
and anyone who says that officials treat beckham differently because of the way he acts on the field, then those officials should be suspended, as soon as officials officiate with a personal bias towards a player they should noy be officiating..
This delusion of a double standard is just childish. As if only the players you cheer for and are on your team are victims.
If Beckham were a Cowboy, the fans here would kill him worse than T.O.
That the NFL (and life in general) is never fair and the more he whines about it the less fair it will be for him.
He is coming off like a guy who has had everything handing to him and nothing but praise his whole life, so now can't handle even the little bit of criticism. He even looked like he was sulking at the end of the Lions game (was it because his return was called back or maybe because Eli yelled at him?)
Don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade him for the world and I think all fines for celebrations are ridiculous, but it seems Odell still has to learn how to deal with the disappointment of not being everyone's favorite player.
I don't think this is an example of "life isn't fair". He's pointing out a blatant bias which is a pretty significant thing that transcends Odell Beckham, or Elliot, or any 1 player. If the NFL won't hold the Cowboys to the same standard as the rest of the NFL, there's a huge problem.
We already know Bell and Brown feel the same, and I'm guessing there are countless other players as well.
When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
Ignore this troll. Same guy who said Eli is playing like Danny Kanell. This after the Lions game where Eli had a 115 QB rating. He's just a troll.
He's not a troll, he's simply way off his rocker. Very weird poster. I remember the Eugene Monroe thread where he was fixated on what form it was ingested, and posted links to some religious website about the dangers of pot. Something's off upstairs with 2012.
Like a the dinner bell, the same culprits appear with their hypocritical stance.
but who cares if Elliott pays a fine? I thought what he did was pretty funny; I also agreed, under the rules, that the penalty was appropriate. I could not care less if Zeke had to pay a fine with money he could wipe his butt with.
but who cares if Elliott pays a fine? I thought what he did was pretty funny; I also agreed, under the rules, that the penalty was appropriate. I could not care less if Zeke had to pay a fine with money he could wipe his butt with.
It isn't whether you care or think the amount of money is irrelevant since he's rich, its about the NFL caring and applying the same rules down to all players.
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it is because jerry jones threatened to sue and do you think the nfl wants another lawsuit in the public eye??
and anyone who says that officials treat beckham differently because of the way he acts on the field, then those officials should be suspended, as soon as officials officiate with a personal bias towards a player they should noy be officiating..
This delusion of a double standard is just childish. As if only the players you cheer for and are on your team are victims.
If Beckham were a Cowboy, the fans here would kill him worse than T.O.
Trust me, I rarely cheer for Cam Newton (only when he helps the Giants) and he's not on my team.
When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
Agreed. He wants respect from the refs? Grow up and shut up. Let your plays talk for you.
He's not asking for respect from the refs. He's asking for the NFL to apply the rules, as they relate to fining excessive celebrations, consistently. Beckham, Brown and others have been fined for less egregious violations (using props has been expressly prohibited for a while).
His behavior on the field should have no bearing on how an official views a certain play
You are correct 100%. But this is actually real life. I know it's a game but people are people. We are seeing from the refs pretty much the same behavior as many police take.
They know who the "bad guys" are and will do what they deem necessary to put them in their place. It's a no-win for a player like Beckham.
OBJ sticking up for himself is the best thing to maintain competitive balance - and anyone who's missing that needs to pay more attention.
THE OBJ obsession didn't start in earnest until Norman suplexed him without a peep from the officials. Did he have spats with with the Rams and a few teams after a play or two. Sure?
But let's be real - his issues have been with a few real trashbags of the league.
You can pretend that keeping his mouth shut and being a good soldier is going to keep opponents from destroying away from the play. But you'd be wrong.
And if you think the Giants have an equal chance of winning with their best player getting destroyed away from the play, you'd be wrong there too.
His behavior on the field should have no bearing on how an official views a certain play
You are correct 100%. But this is actually real life. I know it's a game but people are people. We are seeing from the refs pretty much the same behavior as many police take.
They know who the "bad guys" are and will do what they deem necessary to put them in their place. It's a no-win for a player like Beckham.
no that is not an excuse...
you are taught from the very beginning as an official to tune out what you hear about players or what players say to you...
if coaches are cursing you out you ignore it, a player cursing you out tune it out...
Really looking forward to seeing these guys loose in the playoffs. Hope it's the Giants who beat 'em. In the mean time, OBJ should seriously STHU. Love me some OBJ, but no good will come from the kavetch.
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but I'm not sure the league would fine him if he did that. He has been fined for other celebrations but not celebrating in a way that brings attention to a charity.
to the fake fans who call Odell a cancer a snowflake and to shut his mouth, go cheer for another team.
if all these officials are really bothered by Beckham Â
kicking a field goal net then there's a much bigger problem here. Can someone tell me when Beckham punch a referee in the face? Because outside of that there's absolutely no excuse to "go after him" by not calling the game fairly.
You'd think after reading BBI for a day that Beckham lined all the refs up and kicked each one of them in the nuts. You'd also think that no other player in the NFL celebrates, dances, or wears flashy clothes.
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but I'm not sure the league would fine him if he did that. He has been fined for other celebrations but not celebrating in a way that brings attention to a charity.
to the fake fans who call Odell a cancer a snowflake and to shut his mouth, go cheer for another team.
there is very little doubt that espn would say oh look odell did something to say look at me again...
francesa woukd dedicate an entire show to it
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kicking a field goal net then there's a much bigger problem here. Can someone tell me when Beckham punch a referee in the face? Because outside of that there's absolutely no excuse to "go after him" by not calling the game fairly.
You'd think after reading BBI for a day that Beckham lined all the refs up and kicked each one of them in the nuts. You'd also think that no other player in the NFL celebrates, dances, or wears flashy clothes.
the fact that people think it is ok for an official to officiate with a bias towards a player because of the way he acts is baffiling to me..
how can anyone think that that is ok?
if an official does that he should be suspended immediately
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and controlling his outbursts, firstly, that's what's killing him in the eyes of the officials.
This has nothing to do with the officials. Elliott was rightly flagged for it. This has to do with the incompetent NFL front office (hi Blandino!)
I'm surprised Beckham hasn't been fined for calling them out...
I don't see the issue as having anything to do with Elliot's stunt or a fine from the league office.
The issue is OB's demonstrative immaturity, and he's clearly not grasping the core issue he's perpetuating. This is apples to oranges ...
While I totally agree about the maturity issues, the fine that mostly sticks in my craw was the helmet removal out of the field of play along the sidelines. Yes, technically, any removal is a fineable offense, it was no less egregious than Zeke's fineable excessive celebration with the Salvation Army..Both offenses in context should have been let go
have been fined for 'celebrations' that arguably are within the rules. Not sure how Elliott avoiding a fine for a celebration clearly prohibited isn't a double standard.
His behavior on the field should have no bearing on how an official views a certain play
You are correct 100%. But this is actually real life. I know it's a game but people are people. We are seeing from the refs pretty much the same behavior as many police take.
They know who the "bad guys" are and will do what they deem necessary to put them in their place. It's a no-win for a player like Beckham.
no that is not an excuse...
you are taught from the very beginning as an official to tune out what you hear about players or what players say to you...
You are not getting it. Officials may be taught many things. They are still people and can and will make sure anyone who they consider a "trouble maker" will get a hard time from them.
Is it alright? Hell no! But there is little to nothing a player like OBJ can do. It's up to fans & reporters to make a big stink over it. OBJ will just get the refs more angry.
any officual thst does that should be immediately fired...
i have officiated college and high school games and i have never nor have i ever seen an official ifficiate a game that way...
i have had players and coaches scream at me and it never changed how i officiated a game..
Its a fan created narrative, i'm convinced. Beckham has been immature, is getting better at it, but none of it was anything close to being bad enough to have an official routinely target the guy. It doesn't make any logical sense as it would mean the entire officiating crew is colluding against 1 player that didn't do anything to any of them personally.
any officual thst does that should be immediately fired...
i have officiated college and high school games and i have never nor have i ever seen an official ifficiate a game that way...
i have had players and coaches scream at me and it never changed how i officiated a game..
Its a fan created narrative, i'm convinced. Beckham has been immature, is getting better at it, but none of it was anything close to being bad enough to have an official routinely target the guy. It doesn't make any logical sense as it would mean the entire officiating crew is colluding against 1 player that didn't do anything to any of them personally.
Its a weird fixation, I don't get it.
the nba had that problem with iverson and they fined and suspended officials
but who cares if Elliott pays a fine? I thought what he did was pretty funny; I also agreed, under the rules, that the penalty was appropriate. I could not care less if Zeke had to pay a fine with money he could wipe his butt with.
I'm the Saints though Joe Horn's phone call was hilarious.
The only way this nonsense gets resolved is if the players address it in the next CBA, and the only way it gets off the ground is if it's widely understood by the viewing public.
The reality is mis-application of the rules, the ambiguity of the rules, and arbitrary targeting of the rules has directly impacted the Giants over the last 2 years.
If you think OBJ just shutting up and keeping his head down is going to resolve it, that's frankly naive.
You really think the refs were going to do anything to stop Norman from pile-driving OBJ?
You think if someone pile drives Elliot this weekend they don't get a call?
but who cares if Elliott pays a fine? I thought what he did was pretty funny; I also agreed, under the rules, that the penalty was appropriate. I could not care less if Zeke had to pay a fine with money he could wipe his butt with.
You're missing the point... OBJ doesn't care that Elliot wasn't hit with a fine, he's just pointing out that he would have been fined based on previous fines he got.
for being a bit annoyed. he has been fined five times for over $100k this year, three of the fines being for highly suspect infractions, including one for the crime of pretending to take a picture of cruz doing the salsa.
We don't delete interesting threads because of a few "bad" posts.
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Someone on this thread was not civil and I had to take care of it. I got the action I wanted and the rest is history the poster knows who he is and has been warned.
I posted fast above and didn't want to post the derogatory remarks made. Not third person.
I am not as you calla dupe or Simo or anything else but a fan. But there would be a lot less confusion if I asked for the threads deletion but did not. Anyway I am fine with it. People should not accuse others until they have all the facts.
Do you think that Collinsworth and Michaels have been able to wash out the taste of Cowboys jism yet from Sunday night? What a disgraceful display of verbal fellating. It was like Dallas was the Harlem Globetrotters and Tampa the Washington Generals.
Elliott apparently has decided to donate $21,000 to Salvation Army post this incident though.
Bottom line is I dont understand why any of this is fined - No Fun League.
If you didn't dig yourself a hole with the officials, you'd be getting the respect a top 3 WR deserves.
Just shut up and get back in the huddle!
I saw Herm Edwards talking about it this morning and he was saying that the players shouldn't be chirping about it in the media because the officials see it and won't like it, which may cost you a call or two in the future. This is basically admitting that the officials are not being objective in the way they officiate.
There's a huge problem here and it's going to come to a head pretty soon I think.
When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
What does any of the antics on the sidelines have anything to do with how he's officiated on the field?
This has nothing to do with the officials. Elliott was rightly flagged for it. This has to do with the incompetent NFL front office (hi Blandino!)
I'm surprised Beckham hasn't been fined for calling them out...
When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
He just takes it out on women...
that would help. showing up the officials is no way to get favorable treatment in any sport.
If you didn't dig yourself a hole with the officials, you'd be getting the respect a top 3 WR deserves.
Just shut up and get back in the huddle!
Well he did and he's made up for it and other players aren't being held to the same rules. This isn't about what Odell Beckham did, this is about what Elliot did.
Some people are really dense.
2. The Cowboys do seem to get more than their fair share of kids gloves treatment on these things.
3. How many QBs other than Cam Newton, a known PITA, wouldn't have gotten a flag on the blow to the head last night? Clearly, the refs have a different standard for certain players.
I saw Herm Edwards talking about it this morning and he was saying that the players shouldn't be chirping about it in the media because the officials see it and won't like it, which may cost you a call or two in the future. This is basically admitting that the officials are not being objective in the way they officiate.
There's a huge problem here and it's going to come to a head pretty soon I think.
I hate the way they treat Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers.. Every time they are touched its a flag and I can't remember any team getting as many calls as the Packers.. In 2 games in 2011 against the packers.. Refs blew like 4-6 calls that each led to scores for them.. some even on replays which showed the guy catching a thrid down pass out of bounds and another showed them fumbling before knee hit the ground.. And that horrible call against Osi when he hit Rodgers.. Thats also the same reason why I have sympathy for Cam.. People hate on his attitude but Aaron and Tom are pretty much bitches as well but since NFL referees allow them to get the calls people think Tom is this tough dude.. When in reality he is a Uggs wearing pussy..
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When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
Man, you are a broken record. Odell has a valid point. Also, let us know when Odell gets investigated for domestic abuse.
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When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
Man, you are a broken record. Odell has a valid point. Also, let us know when Odell gets investigated for domestic abuse.
Or is caught walking out of a weed dispensary..
When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
the fuck? how do you not agree with this? if you're so anti OBJ then you should find another team. Ill help , How bout Jets2012?
But a lot of the no calls against Newton are due to his unique running ability. He has a legit beef on some of them, but some of the ones he's whined about he was a runner on and thus not owed the same protections. Last night's should've been called since it was helmet-to-helmet, but based on Newton's running ability and the fact he often doesn't slide, defenders are going to likely be given a little extra latitude in contacting him when he does slide (though H2H contact still needs to be called).
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If you didn't dig yourself a hole with the officials, you'd be getting the respect a top 3 WR deserves.
Just shut up and get back in the huddle!
Well he did and he's made up for it and other players aren't being held to the same rules. This isn't about what Odell Beckham did, this is about what Elliot did.
Some people are really dense.
This is about what OBee said about what Zeke did, which is what I was commenting on. I believe you mentioned dense?
And that's the issue. The NFL's conduct enforcement is a hypocritical joke.
Beckham was fined for taking off his helmet in violation of a rule that was at best murky if he violated.
When the NFL opts to skip Elliot, they are basically saying - if we like you we won't punish you.
That's a pretty big deal, regardless if you feel Beckham should only worry about his business.
But to say he leaped into a prop that represents a good cause, and not fining the player, is absurd.
What if OBJ scores a touchdown, then whips out a checkbook and pen and donates to his fav charity? Is that not a fine-able offense too?
When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
Ignore this troll. Same guy who said Eli is playing like Danny Kanell. This after the Lions game where Eli had a 115 QB rating. He's just a troll.
and anyone who says that officials treat beckham differently because of the way he acts on the field, then those officials should be suspended, as soon as officials officiate with a personal bias towards a player they should noy be officiating..
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When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
Ignore this troll. Same guy who said Eli is playing like Danny Kanell. This after the Lions game where Eli had a 115 QB rating. He's just a troll.
and that the nfl tells the nhl what to do so they can test out different things before implementing thwm
He is coming off like a guy who has had everything handing to him and nothing but praise his whole life, so now can't handle even the little bit of criticism. He even looked like he was sulking at the end of the Lions game (was it because his return was called back or maybe because Eli yelled at him?)
Don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade him for the world and I think all fines for celebrations are ridiculous, but it seems Odell still has to learn how to deal with the disappointment of not being everyone's favorite player.
Exactly
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When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
Ignore this troll. Same guy who said Eli is playing like Danny Kanell. This after the Lions game where Eli had a 115 QB rating. He's just a troll.
He's not a troll, he's simply way off his rocker. Very weird poster. I remember the Eugene Monroe thread where he was fixated on what form it was ingested, and posted links to some religious website about the dangers of pot. Something's off upstairs with 2012.
and anyone who says that officials treat beckham differently because of the way he acts on the field, then those officials should be suspended, as soon as officials officiate with a personal bias towards a player they should noy be officiating..
This delusion of a double standard is just childish. As if only the players you cheer for and are on your team are victims.
If Beckham were a Cowboy, the fans here would kill him worse than T.O.
He is coming off like a guy who has had everything handing to him and nothing but praise his whole life, so now can't handle even the little bit of criticism. He even looked like he was sulking at the end of the Lions game (was it because his return was called back or maybe because Eli yelled at him?)
Don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade him for the world and I think all fines for celebrations are ridiculous, but it seems Odell still has to learn how to deal with the disappointment of not being everyone's favorite player.
I don't think this is an example of "life isn't fair". He's pointing out a blatant bias which is a pretty significant thing that transcends Odell Beckham, or Elliot, or any 1 player. If the NFL won't hold the Cowboys to the same standard as the rest of the NFL, there's a huge problem.
We already know Bell and Brown feel the same, and I'm guessing there are countless other players as well.
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When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
Ignore this troll. Same guy who said Eli is playing like Danny Kanell. This after the Lions game where Eli had a 115 QB rating. He's just a troll.
He's not a troll, he's simply way off his rocker. Very weird poster. I remember the Eugene Monroe thread where he was fixated on what form it was ingested, and posted links to some religious website about the dangers of pot. Something's off upstairs with 2012.
Like a the dinner bell, the same culprits appear with their hypocritical stance.
The dunce just lurks.
It isn't whether you care or think the amount of money is irrelevant since he's rich, its about the NFL caring and applying the same rules down to all players.
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it is because jerry jones threatened to sue and do you think the nfl wants another lawsuit in the public eye??
and anyone who says that officials treat beckham differently because of the way he acts on the field, then those officials should be suspended, as soon as officials officiate with a personal bias towards a player they should noy be officiating..
This delusion of a double standard is just childish. As if only the players you cheer for and are on your team are victims.
If Beckham were a Cowboy, the fans here would kill him worse than T.O.
Trust me, I rarely cheer for Cam Newton (only when he helps the Giants) and he's not on my team.
When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
Agreed. He wants respect from the refs? Grow up and shut up. Let your plays talk for you.
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When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
Agreed. He wants respect from the refs? Grow up and shut up. Let your plays talk for you.
his behavior on the field should have no bearing on how an official views a certain play
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When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
Agreed. He wants respect from the refs? Grow up and shut up. Let your plays talk for you.
Ty, although a few lurking dunce caps will view this as trolling and hating our own players.
Shut and play the play the game (to paraphrase Coughlin).
according to you 2012 that is what you are saying..
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When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
Agreed. He wants respect from the refs? Grow up and shut up. Let your plays talk for you.
He's not asking for respect from the refs. He's asking for the NFL to apply the rules, as they relate to fining excessive celebrations, consistently. Beckham, Brown and others have been fined for less egregious violations (using props has been expressly prohibited for a while).
His behavior on the field should have no bearing on how an official views a certain play
You are correct 100%. But this is actually real life. I know it's a game but people are people. We are seeing from the refs pretty much the same behavior as many police take.
They know who the "bad guys" are and will do what they deem necessary to put them in their place. It's a no-win for a player like Beckham.
THE OBJ obsession didn't start in earnest until Norman suplexed him without a peep from the officials. Did he have spats with with the Rams and a few teams after a play or two. Sure?
But let's be real - his issues have been with a few real trashbags of the league.
You can pretend that keeping his mouth shut and being a good soldier is going to keep opponents from destroying away from the play. But you'd be wrong.
And if you think the Giants have an equal chance of winning with their best player getting destroyed away from the play, you'd be wrong there too.
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His behavior on the field should have no bearing on how an official views a certain play
You are correct 100%. But this is actually real life. I know it's a game but people are people. We are seeing from the refs pretty much the same behavior as many police take.
They know who the "bad guys" are and will do what they deem necessary to put them in their place. It's a no-win for a player like Beckham.
no that is not an excuse...
you are taught from the very beginning as an official to tune out what you hear about players or what players say to you...
if coaches are cursing you out you ignore it, a player cursing you out tune it out...
according to you 2012 that is what you are saying..
Maybe you should check with the NHL to help comprehend the message you aren't even close to comprehending.
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so if beckham curses out an official and then on the next play he gets tackled and the official ignores it, it is ok because beckham cursed at him?...
according to you 2012 that is what you are saying..
Maybe you should check with the NHL to help comprehend the message you aren't even close to comprehending.
younjust said officials officiate him differently because of the way he acts...correct or incorrect?
to the fake fans who call Odell a cancer a snowflake and to shut his mouth, go cheer for another team.
You'd think after reading BBI for a day that Beckham lined all the refs up and kicked each one of them in the nuts. You'd also think that no other player in the NFL celebrates, dances, or wears flashy clothes.
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so if beckham curses out an official and then on the next play he gets tackled and the official ignores it, it is ok because beckham cursed at him?...
according to you 2012 that is what you are saying..
Maybe you should check with the NHL to help comprehend the message you aren't even close to comprehending.
please go away
to the fake fans who call Odell a cancer a snowflake and to shut his mouth, go cheer for another team.
there is very little doubt that espn would say oh look odell did something to say look at me again...
francesa woukd dedicate an entire show to it
You'd think after reading BBI for a day that Beckham lined all the refs up and kicked each one of them in the nuts. You'd also think that no other player in the NFL celebrates, dances, or wears flashy clothes.
the fact that people think it is ok for an official to officiate with a bias towards a player because of the way he acts is baffiling to me..
how can anyone think that that is ok?
if an official does that he should be suspended immediately
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and controlling his outbursts, firstly, that's what's killing him in the eyes of the officials.
This has nothing to do with the officials. Elliott was rightly flagged for it. This has to do with the incompetent NFL front office (hi Blandino!)
I'm surprised Beckham hasn't been fined for calling them out...
I don't see the issue as having anything to do with Elliot's stunt or a fine from the league office.
The issue is OB's demonstrative immaturity, and he's clearly not grasping the core issue he's perpetuating. This is apples to oranges ...
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and controlling his outbursts, firstly, that's what's killing him in the eyes of the officials.
This has nothing to do with the officials. Elliott was rightly flagged for it. This has to do with the incompetent NFL front office (hi Blandino!)
I'm surprised Beckham hasn't been fined for calling them out...
I don't see the issue as having anything to do with Elliot's stunt or a fine from the league office.
The issue is OB's demonstrative immaturity, and he's clearly not grasping the core issue he's perpetuating. This is apples to oranges ...
While I totally agree about the maturity issues, the fine that mostly sticks in my craw was the helmet removal out of the field of play along the sidelines. Yes, technically, any removal is a fineable offense, it was no less egregious than Zeke's fineable excessive celebration with the Salvation Army..Both offenses in context should have been let go
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His behavior on the field should have no bearing on how an official views a certain play
You are correct 100%. But this is actually real life. I know it's a game but people are people. We are seeing from the refs pretty much the same behavior as many police take.
They know who the "bad guys" are and will do what they deem necessary to put them in their place. It's a no-win for a player like Beckham.
no that is not an excuse...
you are taught from the very beginning as an official to tune out what you hear about players or what players say to you...
You are not getting it. Officials may be taught many things. They are still people and can and will make sure anyone who they consider a "trouble maker" will get a hard time from them.
Is it alright? Hell no! But there is little to nothing a player like OBJ can do. It's up to fans & reporters to make a big stink over it. OBJ will just get the refs more angry.
i have officiated college and high school games and i have never nor have i ever seen an official ifficiate a game that way...
i have had players and coaches scream at me and it never changed how i officiated a game..
think about that for a second, that is ridiculous to even think that happens
i have officiated college and high school games and i have never nor have i ever seen an official ifficiate a game that way...
i have had players and coaches scream at me and it never changed how i officiated a game..
Its a fan created narrative, i'm convinced. Beckham has been immature, is getting better at it, but none of it was anything close to being bad enough to have an official routinely target the guy. It doesn't make any logical sense as it would mean the entire officiating crew is colluding against 1 player that didn't do anything to any of them personally.
Its a weird fixation, I don't get it.
haven't you seen improvement in this area?
I know I have
His attention to the non-fine on Elliot strikes me as childish, focus on himself.
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any officual thst does that should be immediately fired...
i have officiated college and high school games and i have never nor have i ever seen an official ifficiate a game that way...
i have had players and coaches scream at me and it never changed how i officiated a game..
Its a fan created narrative, i'm convinced. Beckham has been immature, is getting better at it, but none of it was anything close to being bad enough to have an official routinely target the guy. It doesn't make any logical sense as it would mean the entire officiating crew is colluding against 1 player that didn't do anything to any of them personally.
Its a weird fixation, I don't get it.
the nba had that problem with iverson and they fined and suspended officials
His attention to the non-fine on Elliot strikes me as childish, focus on himself.
Bingo
I'm the Saints though Joe Horn's phone call was hilarious.
but Odell is right about the double standard. Pretty amazing that this clown Blandino still has a job.
The reality is mis-application of the rules, the ambiguity of the rules, and arbitrary targeting of the rules has directly impacted the Giants over the last 2 years.
If you think OBJ just shutting up and keeping his head down is going to resolve it, that's frankly naive.
You really think the refs were going to do anything to stop Norman from pile-driving OBJ?
You think if someone pile drives Elliot this weekend they don't get a call?
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Boo hoo
When Elliott cries on the sidelines, fights with a kickers net and draws multiple personal fouls in a game, present your case.
He just takes it out on women...
touché my friend... TOUCHÉ
but Odell is right about the double standard. Pretty amazing that this clown Blandino still has a job.
This doesn't fall under his jurisdiction
You're missing the point... OBJ doesn't care that Elliot wasn't hit with a fine, he's just pointing out that he would have been fined based on previous fines he got.
It's about him not Elliot.
What is your problem?
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Is such a snowflake.
What is your problem?
Arguing with yourself?
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Is such a snowflake.
What is your problem?
Arguing with yourself?
She loves sports just outed herself as a troll. In other news, water is wet.
Yeah good call, maybe the letter I sent the administrators will help.
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or dupe.....no difference.
Yeah good call, maybe the letter I sent the administrators will help.
You're handle speaks in the third person. How do you feel about that?
Should be but it ain't happening.
Yeah good call, maybe the letter I sent the administrators will help.
They forwarded that letter to me already. I'm considering you & Radar for an IP banning. Too many excuses for having a duplicate handle.
live and learn.
live and learn.
We don't delete interesting threads because of a few "bad" posts.
Read this for an explanation:
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to get rid of this entire thread.
live and learn.
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MRvax
Someone on this thread was not civil and I had to take care of it. I got the action I wanted and the rest is history the poster knows who he is and has been warned.
I posted fast above and didn't want to post the derogatory remarks made. Not third person.
I am not as you calla dupe or Simo or anything else but a fan. But there would be a lot less confusion if I asked for the threads deletion but did not. Anyway I am fine with it. People should not accuse others until they have all the facts.
You have to have thick skin here whenever something posted may be considered controversial.
You have to have thick skin here whenever something posted may be considered controversial.
No one. They just got a spanking.