He was actually the interviewee on Sirius this a.m. in that he's in Philly doing the game tonight..He was asked a multitude of questions about the Giants and, per usual, answered honestly without the usual spin..
He said before they ask any questions of the Giants, he and Carl Banks go over the Coaches tape thoroughly..
One of the things he noticed about the OL on a bunch of occasions is that they would open up nice holes but the RB(s) would misread their keys and run elsewhere, turning a probable 12 yard gain into a loss of a yard. He wasn't minimizing the OL struggles, but he was trying to explain how oft times it's not always what we see on our screen..
Just passing this insight on..
Jennings is basically done. Good veteran team-mate and all but he clearly can't get to the edge anymore, he runs with no burst through holes, and even when there is space he runs with 2 hands on the ball in an effort to "not mess up a positive gain" versus trying to break away. While the ball security is important, he is no threat to a defense.
Perkins has shown hesitation as well in certain instances but over the last few weeks I see a guy who is just getting better each game. I think the rookie is really improving rapidly on finding his creases, jump stepping a little to backside of plays, and falling forward for the extra 1-2 yards as well.
Philly is a good test to see if improvement can stick as they are active on the LOS but not exactly an elite defense.
Maybe Perkins' break-out game??
Perkins clearly hits the hole faster than Jennings, but I still think the offensive line hasn't made it easy. I'll try to focus on it tonight.
I love the people who think they're the only ones that know blocking is important for the RB position.
We get it it!
I dont think jennings is getting more snaps than perkins anymore
Then, this morning Greg Cosell was on. He was talking about Eli. That he is one of the better QBs in the league but is not having a good year. Went into a few details based upon what he sees on tape. He did say that a lot of this is related to the OL and play design too.
Nothing is this black and white. Its shades of gray. Jennings is not a bad back, he's not a really good back either. He's a decent back.
Then, this morning Greg Cosell was on. He was talking about Eli. That he is one of the better QBs in the league but is not having a good year. Went into a few details based upon what he sees on tape. He did say that a lot of this is related to the OL and play design too.
Not that I always agree with him, but when Greg Cosell talks, I listen
That said, he has gained valuable yardage for us at times with the game winding down
That said, he has gained valuable yardage for us at times with the game winding down
Yup, that's why he's still valuable. He won't try anything fancy or make a key mistake out there.
On another note, does anyone else feel like 2016 Perkins is beginning to feel like 2007 Bradshaw?
On another note, does anyone else feel like 2016 Perkins is beginning to feel like 2007 Bradshaw?
Somewhat, but as I recall, there were draftniks who felt Perkins was one of the better backs drafted after Zeke with upside
And also agree with the point from the other thread that running from the shot gun is less efficient than from the pro set.
Week 14:
RJ: 36
SV: 3
BR: 3
PP: 25
Week 15:
RJ: 25
SV: 14
BR: 0
PP: 25
Looks like Perkins has earned more snaps. I wouldn't be surprised to see him more frequently. I think they like Jennings to start though. And his best runs last week were on the first drive, so I think that makes sense. We'll see though.
I'm glad for the players they get an extended weekend this week. Get a nice holiday in before the playoff stretch. Let's go.
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Is a bad running back and there is no way to sugar coat that at all. You add a great running back to this offense and you would see a huge difference, but a great running back has to pass protect, a lot of people need to understand one thing, you miss a play and get your QB hurt you ruin a season, and at this point of the season it would be unforgivable. Thus we see players like Jennings in there. Perkins is playing more, and maybe he is ready to take over, and if he plays more maybe he is the answer, I think we will find out before this season is over.
I love the people who think they're the only ones that know blocking is important for the RB position.
We get it it!
Paul's a know-it-all.
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Is a bad running back and there is no way to sugar coat that at all. You add a great running back to this offense and you would see a huge difference, but a great running back has to pass protect, a lot of people need to understand one thing, you miss a play and get your QB hurt you ruin a season, and at this point of the season it would be unforgivable. Thus we see players like Jennings in there. Perkins is playing more, and maybe he is ready to take over, and if he plays more maybe he is the answer, I think we will find out before this season is over.
I love the people who think they're the only ones that know blocking is important for the RB position.
We get it it!
Paul's a know-it-all.
Actually, I enjoy you and Paul..😎
BBI at its best
Jennings has devolved throughout the year. He deserved the ball more in week 1 than he deserves in week 16, oddly. Considering he's 31 years old and playing slower than ever, there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for why people feel that way. Especially since Perkins has taken over Williams (the Mark Sanchez of RBs) place on the team.
That's a given
No one in the NFL can speak to this more than DeMarco Murray.
With the Cowboys, he was the setback as Dallas ran almost all of its running plays with the QB under center.
Last year, he goes to the Eagles where Chip Kelly ran most of the offense out the shotgun, negating some of his vision and angles of where to run, leading to his worst season (except when he faced the Giants).
This year, he's in Tennessee at the lone setback as Mariota is under center and he is back to running the ball the way he was before and having a great season.
There is something to be said for this. Think about, how many RB's do you know outside of Thurman Thomas in his prime, was an effective gaining RB where most of the running plays came from the shotgun?
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Listening to Brady Quinn yesterday speak about the run game in general and it was not about the Giants. He said that the run game is better when the QB is under center. The RBs have better angles when approaching the holes AND they get to the hole quicker vs when the QB is in shotgun. That may explain some of what was mentioned earlier regarding holes closing before our RBs can get through them. This does not excuse the fact that Jennings does look slow.
No one in the NFL can speak to this more than DeMarco Murray.
With the Cowboys, he was the setback as Dallas ran almost all of its running plays with the QB under center.
Last year, he goes to the Eagles where Chip Kelly ran most of the offense out the shotgun, negating some of his vision and angles of where to run, leading to his worst season (except when he faced the Giants).
This year, he's in Tennessee at the lone setback as Mariota is under center and he is back to running the ball the way he was before and having a great season.
There is something to be said for this. Think about, how many RB's do you know outside of Thurman Thomas in his prime, was an effective gaining RB where most of the running plays came from the shotgun?
Wouldn't the possible state of the OL dictate under center/shotgun formations, playaction effectiveness(at times) notwithstanding?
For a several seasons, a healthy Jennings earned more yards than the blocking. Now it might be the opposite but I doubt it is that dramatic as this implies
Wouldn't the possible state of the OL dictate under center/shotgun formations, playaction effectiveness(at times) notwithstanding?
Yes, and wouldn't McAdoo know this? If it is a huge problem to the point where the offense is unable to function then we need for Reese to get Eli some help.
To respond to your earlier comment.. I also listen to what Greg Cosell says. He has no agenda and tells it like it is. Has spent decades analyzing game film. If he says we have a problem, then we do. He is basically saying that Eli has to step it up a bit despite the fact that our OL and our TEs are the real problem. As an elite QB, he still needs to make the right decisions and also the throws when they are there with time to release the ball.
Yup, a few times he has run into the teeth of the D instead of cutting right or left where there were some nice holes
Problem is we have no fullback and our TEs aren't he best blockers from ACE formation.
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Listening to Brady Quinn yesterday speak about the run game in general and it was not about the Giants. He said that the run game is better when the QB is under center. The RBs have better angles when approaching the holes AND they get to the hole quicker vs when the QB is in shotgun. That may explain some of what was mentioned earlier regarding holes closing before our RBs can get through them. This does not excuse the fact that Jennings does look slow.
No one in the NFL can speak to this more than DeMarco Murray.
With the Cowboys, he was the setback as Dallas ran almost all of its running plays with the QB under center.
Last year, he goes to the Eagles where Chip Kelly ran most of the offense out the shotgun, negating some of his vision and angles of where to run, leading to his worst season (except when he faced the Giants).
This year, he's in Tennessee at the lone setback as Mariota is under center and he is back to running the ball the way he was before and having a great season.
There is something to be said for this. Think about, how many RB's do you know outside of Thurman Thomas in his prime, was an effective gaining RB where most of the running plays came from the shotgun?
Wouldn't the possible state of the OL dictate under center/shotgun formations, playaction effectiveness(at times) notwithstanding?
It's more about the TEs being able to block and not having a fullback. The lack of fullback is crushing us, since we have to rely on our mediocre TEs to be lead blockers. It's probably what forces us into Shotgun Trips sets.
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with going under center ( which I have been lobbying for us to do most of the season ) it opens up the play action pass game which I don't think we do enough ,The Dallas game we had a few nice runs and play action would have ate them up as the safety was flying up and we didn't do it .As a coach I love running the ball out of 21/22 personal but that's not in the giants dna this year for the most part
Problem is we have no fullback and our TEs aren't he best blockers from ACE formation.
I still don't understand the lack of a FB on the roster. There
must be a GREAT reason not to have one. I wish I knew what it is.
Not sure why this entered my gray matter, but during LT's rookie year, we didn't start becoming contenders until we acquired Rob Carpenter from Houston (Oilers)..What a huge difference he made down the stretch, especially with Brunner as QB
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Would have been explosive runs by Perkins. The good news is. Hopefully they figured this out and it's more firepower and fresh rookie legs for the final stretch.
Not sure why this entered my gray matter, but during LT's rookie year, we didn't start becoming contenders until we acquired Rob Carpenter from Houston (Oilers)..What a huge difference he made down the stretch, especially with Brunner as QB
yep. And that was not a great OL, but Carpenter was a good back. Smart, tough, hit the holes and ran downhill
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Would have been explosive runs by Perkins. The good news is. Hopefully they figured this out and it's more firepower and fresh rookie legs for the final stretch.
Not sure why this entered my gray matter, but during LT's rookie year, we didn't start becoming contenders until we acquired Rob Carpenter from Houston (Oilers)..What a huge difference he made down the stretch, especially with Brunner as QB
Yep -- hence the reason it's my handle.
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with going under center ( which I have been lobbying for us to do most of the season ) it opens up the play action pass game which I don't think we do enough ,The Dallas game we had a few nice runs and play action would have ate them up as the safety was flying up and we didn't do it .As a coach I love running the ball out of 21/22 personal but that's not in the giants dna this year for the most part
Problem is we have no fullback and our TEs aren't he best blockers from ACE formation.
I still don't understand the lack of a FB on the roster. There
must be a GREAT reason not to have one. I wish I knew what it is.
They had one, he got hurt, and with extremely limited practice time during the season, you don't just pick a guy up off the street to teach the run scheme. That takes weeks even in preseason.
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Would have been explosive runs by Perkins. The good news is. Hopefully they figured this out and it's more firepower and fresh rookie legs for the final stretch.
Not sure why this entered my gray matter, but during LT's rookie year, we didn't start becoming contenders until we acquired Rob Carpenter from Houston (Oilers)..What a huge difference he made down the stretch, especially with Brunner as QB
Yep -- hence the reason it's my handle.
Bullshit! You ARE Rob Carpenter
And if Perkins is slicing and dicing through the line by all means just keep him in. Jennings scares no one.
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Would have been explosive runs by Perkins. The good news is. Hopefully they figured this out and it's more firepower and fresh rookie legs for the final stretch.
Not sure why this entered my gray matter, but during LT's rookie year, we didn't start becoming contenders until we acquired Rob Carpenter from Houston (Oilers)..What a huge difference he made down the stretch, especially with Brunner as QB
Yep -- hence the reason it's my handle.
Bullshit! You ARE Rob Carpenter
Here I am -- true enough!
When we would roll with a FB, the guy would almost never touch the ball. So, it was like having just 4 eligible WRs on the field. Unless you have a guy who is an offensive threat, I don't like it.
The FB coming into the game also tips your hand that you are more likely to run. So, although a FB will help clear a path, the defense is also keyed on the run.
Since the FB is not much of a threat to catch a pass, now the remaining WRs can be doubled.
IMO, the best scenario is to sure up our OL and get a better TE. Putting a FB on the field with this offense right now would make it worse.
We just might. What I would like to see though is for this team to not rely so heavily on them in the passing game. Too often they are Eli's first option because it seems those routes develop faster than the WR routes and Eli is looking to get rid of the ball. I forget what game it was but we went through the entire firs quarter without throwing it to a WR. Everything was to the TE and dump offs to the RB.
Did you play RB in HS/College? Or did you coach?
100% agree , Adams is really starting to blossom.
Also theirs so much crying on this site about not having a true FB on the roster, call me crazy but I love seeing Tye playing the TE/FB role on this team. I seem not notice often how it confuses the defense.