How are we going to outscore the Packers?

In comment 13300321 averagejoe said:

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They can't cover. At all. They lost six games because of it and almost lost a few more. Somebody besides Beckham has to step up. Hate to say it but I hope Lewis or King split time with Cruz. I hope McAdoo takes a few shots downfield early on run downs. There are big play to be made . Get an early lead and go after Rodgers.

Yup. Eli & rest of offense need to rise to the occasion.

this team took it up another notch on Sunday

I think they can contain Rogers -- the Giants have a much better defense than Detroit does - and Detroit was giving Rogers fits until a couple of their defensive backfield started falling later in the game

I think if the Giants play a tough physical game like they did against Dallas, Detroit and Washington - that GB will fall

Eli should be able to get two or three TDs against that backfield -- I don't think Stafford was throwing the ball all that well last night - and Detroit's Receiver Corps are nothing like the Giants Receiver Corps

In comment 13300305 NYG07 said:

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If the Giants win this game it will be with defense. A couple of things about the first game: 1. Lacy ran wild in the first matchup. I don't expect GB to have much success this time around. It is very possible Rodgers will be their leading rusher. 2. The Giants could not run the ball at all. They have been much better lately and with the emergence of Perkins I expect a much better effort. 3. Rodgers had all day to throw. Literally. There was zero pressure and he still threw 2 picks to Jenkins. I expect Spags to trust his corners to cover one on one and send more blitzes

Don't you have to outscore a team to win the game?

we just have to give up less points...

The Giants offensive output has categorized as pedestrian but, if critically analyzed we may find a specific purpose in its evolution. In most of the last 5 weeks there has been a concerted emphasis on the running game and Sunday I think they may have broke through in its development. If you look at the play calling there was 40-27 run to pass ratio which yielded 161 yards and the first 100 yard performance by a running back. Yet when Eli Manning needed to make a big play down field he laid a perfect pass to King down the sidelines between 2 defenders. What it showed is that the playoff touch may have emerged and the formula for defeating a high powered offense has passed it preliminary test.

If you couple an emerging running game with a smothering Defense the Giants may evolve into a Parcells like rendition of smash mouth football in route to placing the 5th trophy in the case. I believe that Eli Manning is feeling it (the champion challenge) and the 44 yard pass play to King may of assured him that he is ready. If you listen to his interview after the game you may notice the confident undertone in his summary.

During last OTA's many where pessimistic as to the Defensive cohesion and expected turn around. I for one wrote that I expected them to evolve into a top 10 D, if not top 5. Primarily because of the DL and Secondary. I also pointed out that our LB corps would surprise many. Well we are going into the playoffs with a D that is peaking and will be adding JPP to their DL. I believe we are about to witness a playoff run for the ages eliminating the top Offenses in the NFL, Green Bay, Dallas, Atlanta and New England/Pittsburgh.

I want to add another tidbit for optimism, the last time big brother Peyton won the Super Bowl little brother Eli followed by winning the following year. Last year Peyton was carried the an outstanding defensive performance, this year Eli has the best Defense heading into the playoffs. When we look at history one pattern has remained constant through its written account, history is cyclical. Another clue as to confidence may be found in Arron Rodgers interview when asked about the upcoming match up and 2011.

All told I believe the Giants are the most feared opponent in the Dance. Many of the participants have witnessed and experienced the exploits attributed to the Giants legacy in the recent past. While the Giants didn't quite make it to 12-4 record I had predicted or win their division, I'm overjoyed with the Giants being 11-5 going to the Dance with a chance at a 5th Super Bowl Championship.

My handle has changed, I was formally Makogman.

The Big Blue Wrecking Crew is back!

Go Giants!!!

the closest thing to a high scoring game we had was against the Eagles, we marched up and down the field on them outgaining them by about double the yards (470 vs. 280). We just didn't finish drive well (4 FG's, 1 turnover on downs in RZ, 3 INTs).

That said, even without getting into any shootouts our offense was middle of the pack in total yards per game (17th, just 20 more ypg would put them in the top 5). So we move the ball just fine, The biggest problem is that we haven't converted in the redzone. That issue continued yesterday and contributed immensely to each of our big losses (Steelers, first Redskins game, Packer game). Changing that 1 stat is the biggest X factor in any potential SB run for this team. Eli and Mac need to step their respective games up when it matters most.

... so I can't argue with MasherJints!

If the Giants line holds up to their blitzes this is the game where good Eli should emerge. Their secondary is a complete mess and presents a big matchup problem especially with ODB. I can see ODB making Randall his hand puppet the way Plax made Al Harris his. The forecast is calling for a game time temperature of around 10 degrees which will favor the defense. I was at the first GB game this season. Eli had guys open all over the place, he missed them. The Giants also had a one legged DRC and essentially no Eli Apple. I get how the Pack is a better team now too but I actually think the Giants have a great chance here.

Touchdowns to beat GreenBay. Which they will.

As good as the Giants Defense is, GB scores in the 21 neighborhood.

Key is to knock Rodgers around, hit him early and often.

Than taking risks downfield.

In comment 13300304 Eric from BBI said:

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The Giants scored fewer than 20 points for the fifth consecutive game.

It is amazing how this team has gone from all offense and no defense to all defense and no offense.

When does this happen to any organization????

Packers will undoubtedly start in a 2 high defense. If we can run the ball well, then just like Washington they will have no choice but to bring down a safety. Once they do this they only have "one safety high" and the passing game really opens up. Throwing long and middle passes versus a 2 high D is a recipe for disaster.

Defense and ball control with a few couple clutch Eli moments thrown in.

of how to frustrate Aaron Rodgers and limit the GB offense. I say the D scores one, the offense scores two FG's and a TD, and we win 20-17.

In comment 13300313 Britt in VA said:

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They did but Russel Wilson had maybe the worst game of his career. That game was an extreme outlier with Wilson throwing 5 picks and the Seahawks losing a fumble for a total of 6 turnovers. The Giants might be able to score 38 points with that many turnovers in their favor.

Then you don't have to worry about Giants offense out scoring theirs 😎

I think we'll score over 20.

24+ points is doable

I don't think the Packers will run for shit against the Giants on Sunday. Montgomery was a cute story, but I think he is going to get stonewalled by this Giants defense, and they might rip the ball out as well. And as great as Rodgers is, and he is great, when you are forced to play a one dimensional game, against a Spags blitzing defense, the Giants have the secondary to lock down on the Packers WRs. The Giants are going to end up limiting him and after the game people will mention he was off, or the weather was cold, the ball was slippery, etc.

This defense has held Dallas to 7, Detroit to 6, and the Redskins to 10 points. That's not a fluke.

And with the real threat of a running game with Perkins, that will force the safeties up, and put Odell against a banged up secondary which will open up some big plays.

I think the Giants are going to go in there and beat them in a surprisingly "boring" game. Similar to the Giants at the Rams in 1984, the game kind of kept going along, and all of a sudden, you realized it was over. Everyone waited for Dickerson to break out and he never really did, outside of a couple of runs. I see the same thing happening on Sunday.

Good as Gould
at least three fgs in Lambo.

our defense plays better. They caught as at our lowpoint. DRC and Apple were hurt, OV was still badly hurt, Adams was very inexperienced. We're a long way from week 5.

The D is playing shutdown football right now.

Of those 7 times, we only scored 24 or more 3 times.

We only scored 16 points against the Packers last time, when they were supposedly "in a funk", and 7 of those 16 came late in the game, after we had been trailing for 14 points throughout.

So while I can appreciate those that say we will score 20 or 24 points, looking back over the season doesn't really seem to back that up.

I guess we'll see. I'm hopeful, but don't see a lot to hang our hat on.

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But there were a game or two this season where the offense went up a weakened secondary due to injuries and still struggled to put up points.

Point is, with this offense, nothing is a given.

I still consider this a very successful season. 6-10 the previous two seasons, to 11-5? That's a very successful season. Fix the offense this upcoming offseason and go into next year as legit contenders.

We shut down the number 3 offense in the league.

going into these playoffs

How'd that go?

In comment 13300403 Danny Kanell said:

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In comment 13300366 micky said: Quote: offense going off on the Giants Sunday. The Giants defense has been great but are due for a clunker. It happens..it's too much to ask from this defense to carry the team. The offense isn't going stride for stride in a 30+ point game shoot out. Unfortunately, they are hitting rogers in his "ballistic mode" Hey the Giants exceeded a lot of expectations this year and have leaps and bounds ahead of schedule into the future. Just a bad feeling about this match up imo Noooo...micky has a bad feeling? Ya don't say!

Mickey is absolutely a Cowboys fan. I'm convinced of it. If you followed his posts this season, it was obvious. Him and his continuous "Americas Team" posts were nauseating.

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In comment 13300305 NYG07 said:

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If the Giants win this game it will be with defense. A couple of things about the first game: 1. Lacy ran wild in the first matchup. I don't expect GB to have much success this time around. It is very possible Rodgers will be their leading rusher. 2. The Giants could not run the ball at all. They have been much better lately and with the emergence of Perkins I expect a much better effort. 3. Rodgers had all day to throw. Literally. There was zero pressure and he still threw 2 picks to Jenkins. I expect Spags to trust his corners to cover one on one and send more blitzes

Umm, they didn't have Apple or DRC for that game. That's a huge difference. Now we can blitz with confidence.

In comment 13300886 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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How'd that go?

I'm not trying to be negative, just trying to be realistic...

The Packers have scored over 30 points in their past four games.

The Giants have not scored over 20 points in their past five games.

The Packers have only been held under 20 points two times this year. The Giants offense has been held under 20 points 9 times.

Just wondering what makes people think this offense is going to be able to flip the switch and start scoring points again. The emerging run game is promising, but only when playing with the lead. We fall behind, we're in trouble. We saw that in the last Packers game.

he's a liability, but he's also a legit threat in the middle of the field, especially against that 2 deep safety look.

In comment 13300926 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 13300886 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: How'd that go? I'm not trying to be negative, just trying to be realistic... The Packers have scored over 30 points in their past four games. The Giants have not scored over 20 points in their past five games. The Packers have only been held under 20 points two times this year. The Giants offense has been held under 20 points 9 times. Just wondering what makes people think this offense is going to be able to flip the switch and start scoring points again. The emerging run game is promising, but only when playing with the lead. We fall behind, we're in trouble. We saw that in the last Packers game.

I get being realistic. How many points do you think the Packers are going to score? I don't think the 30ppg stat is relevant here.

is how are they going to beat this Giants D. The Packers looked unstoppable last night, but consider that
1 - Detroit offered little in pass rush pressure and Rodgers had a lot of time to go through his progressions
2 - Several times the Lions lost containment and allowed Rodgers to beat them with his legs scrambling for first downs and prolonging drives
3 - Detroit missed a lot of tackles

This D is more disciplined and physical than what Detroit can bring. And they are playing on at a very high level. It will be harder, imho, for Green Bay to maintain their level of play against this D.

In comment 13300937 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 13300926 Britt in VA said: Quote: In comment 13300886 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: How'd that go? I'm not trying to be negative, just trying to be realistic... The Packers have scored over 30 points in their past four games. The Giants have not scored over 20 points in their past five games. The Packers have only been held under 20 points two times this year. The Giants offense has been held under 20 points 9 times. Just wondering what makes people think this offense is going to be able to flip the switch and start scoring points again. The emerging run game is promising, but only when playing with the lead. We fall behind, we're in trouble. We saw that in the last Packers game. I get being realistic. How many points do you think the Packers are going to score? I don't think the 30ppg stat is relevant here.

They scored 23 last time, so I guess I'd start there. I'm thinking we're going to need 24 to win. Something we've only done 3 times this year.

In comment 13300938 Mike in Philly said:

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is how are they going to beat this Giants D. The Packers looked unstoppable last night, but consider that 1 - Detroit offered little in pass rush pressure and Rodgers had a lot of time to go through his progressions 2 - Several times the Lions lost containment and allowed Rodgers to beat them with his legs scrambling for first downs and prolonging drives 3 - Detroit missed a lot of tackles This D is more disciplined and physical than what Detroit can bring. And they are playing on at a very high level. It will be harder, imho, for Green Bay to maintain their level of play against this D.

He does that to a lot of teams. He did it to us in the first matchup. It's infuriating.

And wipe that five week old fucking smug smile off his fucking face.

Defense travels. Giants drew the short straw this week ?? GB and Rodgers are the Hottest thing since fire? Bull fucking shit. The Giants defense is coming. And it's bringing hell with them!!!!!

In comment 13300944 Britt in VA said:

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In comment 13300938 Mike in Philly said: Quote: is how are they going to beat this Giants D. The Packers looked unstoppable last night, but consider that 1 - Detroit offered little in pass rush pressure and Rodgers had a lot of time to go through his progressions 2 - Several times the Lions lost containment and allowed Rodgers to beat them with his legs scrambling for first downs and prolonging drives 3 - Detroit missed a lot of tackles This D is more disciplined and physical than what Detroit can bring. And they are playing on at a very high level. It will be harder, imho, for Green Bay to maintain their level of play against this D. He does that to a lot of teams. He did it to us in the first matchup. It's infuriating.

That's true, but we didn't have all of our horses in the secondary for that first matchup and it's going to make a world of difference.

In comment 13300951 djm said:

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And wipe that five week old fucking smug smile off his fucking face. Defense travels. Giants drew the short straw this week ?? GB and Rodgers are the Hottest thing since fire? Bull fucking shit. The Giants defense is coming. And it's bringing hell with them!!!!!

Let's hope so.

In comment 13300932 Britt in VA said:

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he's a liability, but he's also a legit threat in the middle of the field, especially against that 2 deep safety look.

Britt you're saying a lot of weird stuff but the Donnell stuff takes the cake. What's with the Donnell posts around here lately???? Fuck is wrong with some of you lol... yeah let's get Donnell the ball NOW lol...great timing.

Everyone calm down with the gb stats. Stats don't win games.

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We can just as easily post the Giants points allowed totals, which someone did, and it's downright frightening.

Throw the stats out the window. This won't be an easy game for Rodgers.

In comment 13301004 Britt in VA said:

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I didn't mean weird but any talk of Donnell is lunacy. Your other points weren't weird.

Random points:

1. Giants must win or be equal in key Turnover Battle. Eli can't throw a stupid interception. Last year, Eli had the best 20+ yards throwing arm in the league with 11 TD's and 0 interceptions. Eli can't be stupid with the ball BUT he must go deep as well.
2. Injury Report: will the Giants have some of the injured back? Will GreenBay be without starting CB Rollins who was hospitalized? I don't see Rollins playing as it was a bad injury. Will other GB DB' be out or highly limited? This is where the game may just be decided cause the Giants have T. King, R. Lewis, OBJ and Shepard who all have deep speed.
3. Giants must RUN well, pound the rock, no fumbles while completely stuffing the Green Bay run game to make them one dimensional.

The cold will not be a major issue, I don't think. I'd have preferred for us to play at 1pm Sunday but I don't have a vote from the networks.

Go Giants, can't wait to see the injury reports. I'd love for SS N. Behre to finally get off the protocol and replace journeyman SS Eric Pinkins. The kid can hit and play specials when healthy. I think at this point is a 1% chance he goes.

Go Giants!

In comment 13300889 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 13300403 Danny Kanell said: Quote: In comment 13300366 micky said: Quote: offense going off on the Giants Sunday. The Giants defense has been great but are due for a clunker. It happens..it's too much to ask from this defense to carry the team. The offense isn't going stride for stride in a 30+ point game shoot out. Unfortunately, they are hitting rogers in his "ballistic mode" Hey the Giants exceeded a lot of expectations this year and have leaps and bounds ahead of schedule into the future. Just a bad feeling about this match up imo Noooo...micky has a bad feeling? Ya don't say! Mickey is absolutely a Cowboys fan. I'm convinced of it. If you followed his posts this season, it was obvious. Him and his continuous "Americas Team" posts were nauseating.

That's a cute assumption. Glad you don't know me in real life .. You know, when you assume..you make an ass out of yourself ..not me ;)

PS: Why would this "Cowboy fan" (rolling eyes) travel to Pitt this year and skip chemo treatments next day..in order to go see Giants..lol Got scolded by my oncologist that week.

In comment 13300951 djm said:

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And wipe that five week old fucking smug smile off his fucking face. Defense travels. Giants drew the short straw this week ?? GB and Rodgers are the Hottest thing since fire? Bull fucking shit. The Giants defense is coming. And it's bringing hell with them!!!!!

^^^^
Love it!

They have the worst defensive team in the playoffs.

When we settled for FG's in the first half I knew we were in trouble.