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Tentative First Round Targets for the Giants

Anakim : 1/3/2017 11:57 am
So we obviously have a long way to go until Draft time, but I figured I would get the ball rolling a bit.


Now, we are known to take the best player available (see Eli Apple and OBJ), but we also value youth (see Eli Apple..then again Leonard Floyd wasn't a young prospect..., David Wilson and Ereck Flowers). Reese also tends to have types that he likes. For example, he likes long, tall CBs (like Eli Apple) over smaller, feistier ones (like Vernon Hargreaves III).

In other words, who the fuck knows what Jerry Reese is going to do?


But here are nine POSSIBLE targets:

RB Christian McCaffrey of Stanford - our running game has sucked for most of the year, but Paul Perkins seems to be a bright spot this year and for the year. Even so, we need a complementary back. McCaffrey is a late-first, early second rounder, IMO.

WR Corey Davis of Western Michigan - he may have catapulted himself into a top-20 pick (then again, this is a TENTATIVE thread). I think he's the third best WR behind Mike Williams and Courtland Sutton.

WR JuJu Smith-Schuster of USC - he had a very good game yesterday, which might've put him in the first round discussion. Has been plagued with inconsistency this year.

WR - Courtland Sutton - my guy. I have him as a second rounder right now, but I think he belongs in the first round discussion. Second best WR in my opinion.

TE OJ Howard of Alabama - a beast physically that was severely underutilized by Nick Saban and Lane Kiffin

TE David Njoku of Miami - amazing talent, amazing potential. Needs polish. Sy loves him.

LT Ryan Ramczyk of Wisconsin - my guy, but Sy thinks if he declares there's no way he'll be there when the Giants pick. Even so, the surgery and how ready he is for training camp will be crucial for him.

DE Taco Charlton of Michigan - similar build to JPP and could be his replacement if JPP walks in free agency. I think guys like Barnett, Harris, Lawson, etc. don't fit the build of what Reese likes in a 4-3 DE.

LB Jarrad Davis of Florida - Sy is very high on him. Could this be the year Reese finally takes a first round linebacker? He missed out on Floyd last year.
The RB from Penn State  
HoustonGiant : 1/3/2017 11:58 am : link
looked incredible last night.
RE: The RB from Penn State  
giantsfan44ab : 1/3/2017 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13302511 HoustonGiant said:
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looked incredible last night.


He's not eligible this year and I hope we won't be able to draft him next year since he'll likely be a top 10 pick.

I'd be fine with foreman or Mccaffrey. Davis probably won't be there when we pick.
RE: The RB from Penn State  
dep026 : 1/3/2017 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13302511 HoustonGiant said:
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looked incredible last night.


true sophomore. Not eligible until 2018.
Always look forward to your college postings.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/3/2017 12:02 pm : link
Who do you think will be there for us at 32?
I hope they look more at WR  
NorwoodWideRight : 1/3/2017 12:02 pm : link
and find value in later rounds for RB. Sutton is a tall receiver with big hands who will fight for the ball. This guy is going to be a monster, mark my words.
Any chance  
Odell Porzingis Jr. : 1/3/2017 12:04 pm : link
Dalvin Cook drops? :(
RE: Any chance  
giantsfan44ab : 1/3/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13302533 Odell Porzingis Jr. said:
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Dalvin Cook drops? :(


I'd be shocked if he fell beyond 15. I think top 10 is likely. Early as 4 when the jags pick. Last 3 years they picked guys who played college in Florida. He actually fits in well there I believe.
I like RB/Hybrid McAffrey;TE OJ Howard; and LB J. Davis  
SGMen : 1/3/2017 12:09 pm : link
I think all 3 are possibilities to be there. I also think a top OG may be there at #26 - 32, where I think we will be picking.

Our top needs are OT (doesn't seem like many quality UFA's will be there); WR #2 (there will be wideouts available as UFA's); TE (hence my OJ Howard pick); RB / PR / WR (C. McAffrey is talented and smart and will go late round 1 if he can run a 4.40 or so which is damn fast. He is 4.45 on some posts I saw about him); and, LB.

USC WR Juju Smith-Schuster  
JPinstripes : 1/3/2017 12:10 pm : link
True Split End with size and speed that would compliment OBJ and Shep.


USC WR Juju Smith-Schuster - ( New Window )
BB56  
Trainmaster : 1/3/2017 12:10 pm : link
... number 32 ...

I like what you did there!

Anak  
Milton : 1/3/2017 12:12 pm : link
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TE OJ Howard of Alabama - a beast physically that was severely underutilized by Nick Saban and Lane Kiffin
A beast? Or looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane?

This is what Rob Rang had to say about him in September....
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While undeniably gifted, Howard remains far from a finished product. At this time, he is far too reliant on his size and athleticism as a route-runner, showing limited shoulder fakes and altered gaits to keep defenders guessing. Howard is not the bulldozer with the ball in his hands that his size would suggest and this lack of ideal physicality is also evident in his blocking, where he remains more pesky than powerful or passionate.
RE: USC WR Juju Smith-Schuster  
SGMen : 1/3/2017 12:12 pm : link
In comment 13302556 JPinstripes said:
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True Split End with size and speed that would compliment OBJ and Shep.
USC WR Juju Smith-Schuster - ( New Window )
Ego, Prima-donna, I'd pass.
Can we win a few games and go to the Bowl  
Carl in CT : 1/3/2017 12:13 pm : link
Before we worry about the draft? Let's have some fun.
RE: Always look forward to your college postings.  
Anakim : 1/3/2017 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13302527 Big Blue '56 said:
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Who do you think will be there for us at 32?


Thanks, Doc.

My guess is of the ones listed, my guess is that Sutton, McCaffrey, Howard and Njoku will be available at 32. The rest will be taken before we pick.
Great post Anak thanks  
mfsd : 1/3/2017 12:16 pm : link
any other tackles you like in rounds 1 or 2 if we think your #1 guy won't last to the bottom of round 1?
I think a good, all-around TE has to be  
SomeFan : 1/3/2017 12:17 pm : link
very high on the list. It would help the o-line and help take pressure off of OBJ / RBs on third downs.

It is killing two birds with one stone - bettering the team in two areas. Whether we need to get one in FA or the draft or have one already on our roster (e.g., a mpre polished Jerrel Adams) is irrelevant, just need a TE who can be an all-around good player.
RE: Anak  
Anakim : 1/3/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13302559 Milton said:
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TE OJ Howard of Alabama - a beast physically that was severely underutilized by Nick Saban and Lane Kiffin

A beast? Or looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane?

This is what Rob Rang had to say about him in September....


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While undeniably gifted, Howard remains far from a finished product. At this time, he is far too reliant on his size and athleticism as a route-runner, showing limited shoulder fakes and altered gaits to keep defenders guessing. Howard is not the bulldozer with the ball in his hands that his size would suggest and this lack of ideal physicality is also evident in his blocking, where he remains more pesky than powerful or passionate.



Right now, it's pretty much a projection because many are going off of how well he did last year against Clemson. He absolutely tore them up.

I will say this, Howard is a very good blocking TE. I know some may disagree, but I think he's one of the best out there.
From  
AcidTest : 1/3/2017 12:20 pm : link
that list I would take Njoku, or Jarrad Davis. Love both. Great players.
RE: Great post Anak thanks  
Anakim : 1/3/2017 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13302573 mfsd said:
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any other tackles you like in rounds 1 or 2 if we think your #1 guy won't last to the bottom of round 1?


Garett Bolles of Utah is the next best LT, IMO. He's an excellent one with a bit of snarl to his game, but the problem is he'll be a 25-year old rookie. How much of his success at Utah was due to the fact that he was more physically mature than his opponents? His age also limits his upside.


Other than that, Chad Wheeler of USC is very intriguing, as he may have the best feet of any of the OTs, but he needs to get A LOT stronger and he also has many off-the-field issues.
RE: RE: USC WR Juju Smith-Schuster  
JPinstripes : 1/3/2017 12:21 pm : link
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True Split End with size and speed that would compliment OBJ and Shep.
USC WR Juju Smith-Schuster - ( New Window )

Ego, Prima-donna, I'd pass.


Stop with the narratives.... OBJ, Cruz and Shep on a boat in Miami until 6am is what??? - NOTHING.

Can the kid play football? YES

Has he ever been arrested? NO

If neither then stop your stupid.
I wouldn't get a woodrow over any offensive player from the Rose Bowl  
Victor in CT : 1/3/2017 12:24 pm : link
those defenses were putrid.
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Odell Porzingis Jr. : 1/3/2017 12:25 pm : link
As a fan of The U.... Njoku would be a godsend, and give the offense a weapon to attack the middle of the field, a dimension we are sorely lacking. I think he's by far the best TE in the draft.
NO OL?  
Giants2012 : 1/3/2017 12:26 pm : link
Not a player in the nation?
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Anakim : 1/3/2017 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13302600 Odell Porzingis Jr. said:
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As a fan of The U.... Njoku would be a godsend, and give the offense a weapon to attack the middle of the field, a dimension we are sorely lacking. I think he's by far the best TE in the draft.


Agreed. Njoku has to the sky potential. He may be one of the fastest TEs the minute he steps onto an NFL field.



And he has a brother named Evidence Njoku. I mean how cool is that?
Would love OJ Howard in blue.  
arcarsenal : 1/3/2017 12:27 pm : link
Hopefully he's still on the board @ 32
RE: NO OL?  
Anakim : 1/3/2017 12:28 pm : link
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Not a player in the nation?


I don't watch OGs or OCs so I can't comment on that. But no, aside from Cam Robinson and Ryan Ramczyk, I don't see any OTs worthy of a first round pick as of now. Maybe Bolles, but how many 25-year olds are taken in the first round?
OT Please  
Suburbanites : 1/3/2017 12:28 pm : link
I'm not going to accuse JR of neglecting the OL as he's invested two number one's and a number two with this current group. With that said, I want them to draft the best OT on the board be it Cam Robinson, Ryan Ramczyk, Garrett Bolles or whoever. A stud/Road Grader OT would allow the Giants to keep Flowers at OLT and bolster the ORT position or move Flowers to either ORT or ORG where his limitations would be mitigated.

The Giants desperately need a TE. If anyone knows me from the other board you know I'm the biggest Larry Donnell critic in the world. Leaping Larry's tumblefests have driven me on the brink of insanity. I love the Michigan kid Jake Butt. He tore his ACL which could mean he'll be available in later rounds. I'd love to see the Giants draft him.
the best player available (see Eli Apple and OBJ)'  
Torrag : 1/3/2017 12:30 pm : link
Both also addressed top needs at premium positions,few has Apple rated that high and dismisses the Flowers pick which was need based...so it's really a combination formula in Round 1.
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Victor in CT : 1/3/2017 12:30 pm : link
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As a fan of The U.... Njoku would be a godsend, and give the offense a weapon to attack the middle of the field, a dimension we are sorely lacking. I think he's by far the best TE in the draft.



Agreed. Njoku has to the sky potential. He may be one of the fastest TEs the minute he steps onto an NFL field.



And he has a brother named Evidence Njoku. I mean how cool is that?


Does he have one named Tainted?
RE: Would love OJ Howard in blue.  
JPinstripes : 1/3/2017 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13302608 arcarsenal said:
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Hopefully he's still on the board @ 32


I really the kid, but do you see Reese taking a TE in the 1st round?
RE: RE: NO OL?  
Giants2012 : 1/3/2017 12:34 pm : link
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Not a player in the nation?



I don't watch OGs or OCs so I can't comment on that. But no, aside from Cam Robinson and Ryan Ramczyk, I don't see any OTs worthy of a first round pick as of now. Maybe Bolles, but how many 25-year olds are taken in the first round?


If you don't watch them then how do you know? I'll admit, there are way to many for me to figure out so I'm not expert.

I don't think any of us need to be experts to realize the OL is horrendous. I can't see how OL in the 20's isn't worth it for a team that's OL is likely the main reason they won't win a championship.

Maybe free agency but, if not, it has to be OL. Maybe not you yet it's the same story year after year around here. The OL fails and the fans who complain the most want a skill position.
RE: RE: Would love OJ Howard in blue.  
Anakim : 1/3/2017 12:35 pm : link
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Hopefully he's still on the board @ 32



I really the kid, but do you see Reese taking a TE in the 1st round?


Who knows? I didn't see the Giants taking a LB last year, but they very well could have if Leonard Floyd was still on the board. This team needs help on offense, there are no stud OTs that will be available if we pick (again, assuming Sy is correct and Ramczyk goes before the Giants pick), better RB value in the later rounds so that leaves WR or TE.


Personally, depending on how he runs, I'd go with Sutton.
I'm not sure what position Soloman Thomas would play in a 4-3,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/3/2017 12:36 pm : link
but I was hoping he would fall to the Giants.

That went out the window with his bowl performance. Like Sy said, he could be looking at a top 10 pick.
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Anakim : 1/3/2017 12:37 pm : link
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Not a player in the nation?



I don't watch OGs or OCs so I can't comment on that. But no, aside from Cam Robinson and Ryan Ramczyk, I don't see any OTs worthy of a first round pick as of now. Maybe Bolles, but how many 25-year olds are taken in the first round?



If you don't watch them then how do you know? I'll admit, there are way to many for me to figure out so I'm not expert.

I don't think any of us need to be experts to realize the OL is horrendous. I can't see how OL in the 20's isn't worth it for a team that's OL is likely the main reason they won't win a championship.

Maybe free agency but, if not, it has to be OL. Maybe not you yet it's the same story year after year around here. The OL fails and the fans who complain the most want a skill position.


I think there are. Pat Elflein of Ohio State I think is, as is Dan Feeney of Indiana. I just can't comment on them because I have no idea how to "scout" them (not to mention, how boring is it to watch interior O-Linemen). I can't give my opinion on them.
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Anakim : 1/3/2017 12:40 pm : link
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Not a player in the nation?



I don't watch OGs or OCs so I can't comment on that. But no, aside from Cam Robinson and Ryan Ramczyk, I don't see any OTs worthy of a first round pick as of now. Maybe Bolles, but how many 25-year olds are taken in the first round?



If you don't watch them then how do you know? I'll admit, there are way to many for me to figure out so I'm not expert.

I don't think any of us need to be experts to realize the OL is horrendous. I can't see how OL in the 20's isn't worth it for a team that's OL is likely the main reason they won't win a championship.

Maybe free agency but, if not, it has to be OL. Maybe not you yet it's the same story year after year around here. The OL fails and the fans who complain the most want a skill position.



I think there are. Pat Elflein of Ohio State I think is, as is Dan Feeney of Indiana. I just can't comment on them because I have no idea how to "scout" them (not to mention, how boring is it to watch interior O-Linemen). I can't give my opinion on them.



Ethan Pocic of LSU, Dorian Johnson of Pittsburgh and Forrest Lamp of Western Kentucky are other names I've heard on Twitter's draft circles regarding interior O-Linemen.


But yeah, can't help you there, or with Special Teamers.
I love Davis  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/3/2017 12:43 pm : link
but it would be so against type for Reese to make that pick.

DE/DT, OL and WR unless a crazy talent falls.
AND I think the OT from Wisconsin  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/3/2017 12:45 pm : link
is destined to the Jets at 6 if he grades out high at the combine.
Taco Charlton, Demarcus Walker  
jeff57 : 1/3/2017 12:47 pm : link
Caleb Brantley are DL they should take a look at.
What are Howard's, Sutton's  
giantsfan44ab : 1/3/2017 12:49 pm : link
and Njoku's projected 40s?
RE: RE: RE: Would love OJ Howard in blue.  
JPinstripes : 1/3/2017 12:57 pm : link
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Hopefully he's still on the board @ 32



I really the kid, but do you see Reese taking a TE in the 1st round?



Who knows? I didn't see the Giants taking a LB last year, but they very well could have if Leonard Floyd was still on the board. This team needs help on offense, there are no stud OTs that will be available if we pick (again, assuming Sy is correct and Ramczyk goes before the Giants pick), better RB value in the later rounds so that leaves WR or TE.


Personally, depending on how he runs, I'd go with Sutton.


As of now I take the WR from USC as Juju will be a monster split wide to OBJ and Shep in the slot.
Quenton Nelson  
mack809f : 1/3/2017 12:58 pm : link
OG Notre Dame. If right guard isn't the weakest position on the team, it's on the short list. Walter football had one scout calling him a future pro bowler. Just a junior, I didn't see if he declared, but he's still young, which Reese likes as others might be the best pick to upgrade our running game.M
RE: Quenton Nelson  
jeff57 : 1/3/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13302720 mack809f said:
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OG Notre Dame. If right guard isn't the weakest position on the team, it's on the short list. Walter football had one scout calling him a future pro bowler. Just a junior, I didn't see if he declared, but he's still young, which Reese likes as others might be the best pick to upgrade our running game.M


Hasn't declared yet. But yes, especially if the pick is over 25, he'd be worth it.
RE: AND I think the OT from Wisconsin  
Anakim : 1/3/2017 1:02 pm : link
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is destined to the Jets at 6 if he grades out high at the combine.


With his surgery? That's awfully risky. I think the Jets will take Fournette or Cook.
correction  
mack809f : 1/3/2017 1:02 pm : link
should read "as others mentioned"
RE: Quenton Nelson  
Anakim : 1/3/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13302720 mack809f said:
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OG Notre Dame. If right guard isn't the weakest position on the team, it's on the short list. Walter football had one scout calling him a future pro bowler. Just a junior, I didn't see if he declared, but he's still young, which Reese likes as others might be the best pick to upgrade our running game.M


There ya go
RE: What are Howard's, Sutton's  
Anakim : 1/3/2017 1:04 pm : link
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and Njoku's projected 40s?


Oh boy. Ummm. my predictions:

Njoku - 4.48

Howard - 4.55

Sutton - 4.55
We  
AcidTest : 1/3/2017 1:06 pm : link
need another weapon that can stretch the field to get teams out of their cover 2 shells. Guaranteed GB plays that a lot, especially since their secondary is banged up. That has to be a WR, or a TE who can run down the seam. Cruz is likely gone after this season. But Lewis and King can't take snaps from him. Shepard is a slot guy. Another receiving threat would also make OBJ even more spectacular.
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Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/3/2017 1:07 pm : link
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is destined to the Jets at 6 if he grades out high at the combine.



With his surgery? That's awfully risky. I think the Jets will take Fournette or Cook.


Understood, but say he aces everything - surgery looks good, does great individual work, etc. - it just fits too well. The Jets built their 2010-11 run with D'brickashaw and Mangold, and Mangold will tutor the next Jets great OL from Wisconsin. RB is low on the list of needs compared to QB, OL and the back 7.
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Anakim : 1/3/2017 1:08 pm : link
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is destined to the Jets at 6 if he grades out high at the combine.



With his surgery? That's awfully risky. I think the Jets will take Fournette or Cook.



Understood, but say he aces everything - surgery looks good, does great individual work, etc. - it just fits too well. The Jets built their 2010-11 run with D'brickashaw and Mangold, and Mangold will tutor the next Jets great OL from Wisconsin. RB is low on the list of needs compared to QB, OL and the back 7.


For sure. I just think that Woody Johnson will want to add a sexy name to his team like Fournette or Cook.
I would be looking at the player with the...  
allstarjim : 1/3/2017 1:10 pm : link
biggest potential impact to our offense in Round 1. Obviously, I will always advocate for BPA, and player value with respect to draft position over need. With as poorly as our offense has been, and with taking a first round defensive player that seems to have been a very good pick in 2016, I go offense in round 1 this year.

Position-wise, I know many are high on Njoku, with good reason. However, I do not think he would substantially upgrade our offense. I suspect many people would strongly disagree. But I say that only because I believe Jerrell Adams has a big ceiling and can lock down that TE spot. Njoku may have a bigger career than Adams, but if I'm looking for the player to give me the biggest spark to my offense, I think you have to go WR, which at our pick, we SHOULD be able to grab a great player.

I think Corey Davis makes this offense much, much better. We are a long ways away from ranking players by position. I like to take into account the physical and timed measurables from the combine, and look at a lot of game video. But from what I've seen thus far, my top 2 is Mike Williams and Corey Davis. It remains to be seen if these guys will be available at the Giants' pick, but they would have an enormous effect on the offense right away.

Other than WR, I would look at LT. But it's hard to find the great ones, and there are no assurances that any player, but specifically offensive linemen, will make the jump to the NFL and play well right out the gate. Players like Conklin are very rare. And I'll get my complement to Paul Perkins at RB after the first round, thank you.
RE: RE: RE: AND I think the OT from Wisconsin  
giantsfan44ab : 1/3/2017 1:11 pm : link
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is destined to the Jets at 6 if he grades out high at the combine.



With his surgery? That's awfully risky. I think the Jets will take Fournette or Cook.



Understood, but say he aces everything - surgery looks good, does great individual work, etc. - it just fits too well. The Jets built their 2010-11 run with D'brickashaw and Mangold, and Mangold will tutor the next Jets great OL from Wisconsin. RB is low on the list of needs compared to QB, OL and the back 7.


Fournettes a player you can build an offense around. Can't remember the Jets ever having a player like that.
RE: RE: Would love OJ Howard in blue.  
arcarsenal : 1/3/2017 1:13 pm : link
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Hopefully he's still on the board @ 32



I really the kid, but do you see Reese taking a TE in the 1st round?


I guess it really depends where we pick and who is on the board at the time. I do think Reese would take him if he felt he was the best player on the board or close.
Given the weak draft class of OL and QBs  
Beer Man : 1/3/2017 1:21 pm : link
I expect to see a number of DEs, RBs, and possibly WRs off the board before the Giants pick. I hope the Giants can make a FA splash on the OL, this is not a good draft year to need OL help.
My list in order starting with what will be too rich  
est1986 : 1/3/2017 1:23 pm : link
Leonard Fournette / Dalvin Cook (first tier)
Jarrad Davis / Reuben Foster (second tier)
Corey Davis / Christian McCaffrey (third tier)

We are not getting the first two, the second two might be had if we sacrifice the 32nd overall pick (wink) and a third rounder or more. I think the last two names have a shot of being there when we pick, maybe not though.
I'd be willing to trade like 3 first round picks  
giantsfan44ab : 1/3/2017 1:30 pm : link
To get Fournette. That would be a ludicrous combo with Odell and Fournette.
I think  
ryanmkeane : 1/3/2017 1:36 pm : link
Quenton Nelson, G, of Notre Dame should be added to this list. He's a low 1st/high 2nd prospect and could start immediately in the interior to form a great trio with Pugh and Richburg. Would love to snag him in the late 1st. Clean pick.
So all the TE's run  
Carl in CT : 1/3/2017 1:38 pm : link
As fast as Will Tye. Who by the way was our leading receiver on Sunday. Fix the OL please.
WR, WR and WR  
BillT : 1/3/2017 1:39 pm : link
Have to think, with the late 1st round talent at WR and the need to get a top guy to compliment OBJ and Shepard WR is a logical choice. This on top of the Giants' know predilections to pick WR high. I'd take any of the three mentioned in a heartbeat. No RB, no TE, no LB.
RE: So all the TE's run  
jeff57 : 1/3/2017 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13302845 Carl in CT said:
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As fast as Will Tye. Who by the way was our leading receiver on Sunday. Fix the OL please.


Yes, but they're several inches taller, so Eli would be able to actually see them running down the seam.
RE: So all the TE's run  
giantsfan44ab : 1/3/2017 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13302845 Carl in CT said:
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As fast as Will Tye. Who by the way was our leading receiver on Sunday. Fix the OL please.


Will tye is closer to the size of a FB. Utterly useless in the red zone and he can only run a 5 yard hitch route. I had higher expectations for him and I think he is serviceable as a backup but that's about it.
Remember, UFA before draft  
JonC : 1/3/2017 1:55 pm : link
Doesn't make any sense to proclaim TE will be a high draft pick (unlikely) in January.

This figures to be a bit harder to mock picking so late in the round(s), but NYG could have significant needs at DE and WR.
RE: Given the weak draft class of OL and QBs  
BillT : 1/3/2017 1:56 pm : link
In comment 13302785 Beer Man said:
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I expect to see a number of DEs, RBs, and possibly WRs off the board before the Giants pick. I hope the Giants can make a FA splash on the OL, this is not a good draft year to need OL help.

The Giants have to sign FA OLs. 3 of our top 6 OL are FA! They'll resign Pugh and look to upgrade RG or RT or both.
RE: Remember, UFA before draft  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/3/2017 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13302907 JonC said:
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Doesn't make any sense to proclaim TE will be a high draft pick (unlikely) in January.

This figures to be a bit harder to mock picking so late in the round(s), but NYG could have significant needs at DE and WR.


Jon, your thoughts on Malik McDowell (sp?) from MSU?
And, given the troubles they've had inking their targets at nickel CB  
JonC : 1/3/2017 1:59 pm : link
they could be considering one in the draft as well.
DE and DT are going to be looked at more than most people thing  
jlukes : 1/3/2017 2:00 pm : link
we do not have a gap-shooting DT on the roster and a DT that can generate pressure up the middle would really help with the pass rush
RE: Remember, UFA before draft  
jeff57 : 1/3/2017 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13302907 JonC said:
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Doesn't make any sense to proclaim TE will be a high draft pick (unlikely) in January.

This figures to be a bit harder to mock picking so late in the round(s), but NYG could have significant needs at DE and WR.


Jack Doyle would be nice. Or bring back Martellus.
RE: RE: Given the weak draft class of OL and QBs  
giantsfan44ab : 1/3/2017 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13302911 BillT said:
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In comment 13302785 Beer Man said:


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I expect to see a number of DEs, RBs, and possibly WRs off the board before the Giants pick. I hope the Giants can make a FA splash on the OL, this is not a good draft year to need OL help.


The Giants have to sign FA OLs. 3 of our top 6 OL are FA! They'll resign Pugh and look to upgrade RG or RT or both.


Newhouse and Beatty are the only 2 FAs this offseason. I'd like to keep Newhouse as depth add someone like whitworth to play LT.
BHE  
JonC : 1/3/2017 2:02 pm : link
I haven't seen much of him, he looks more like a 3-4 DE unless he shows more explosion in his game, from my limited look.
RE: Remember, UFA before draft  
Anakim : 1/3/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13302907 JonC said:
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Doesn't make any sense to proclaim TE will be a high draft pick (unlikely) in January.

This figures to be a bit harder to mock picking so late in the round(s), but NYG could have significant needs at DE and WR.


Definitely. But shit, it's a new year, why not talk about the Draft?? We're only a little less than four months away.
Go for it  
JonC : 1/3/2017 2:47 pm : link
always down for draft talk, but it makes sense to try and frame the discussion rather than sit here now and talk about how we must pick an OL in the first round, eg.
One thing about TEs is that  
giantsfan44ab : 1/3/2017 2:50 pm : link
They take a few years to develop. How many are instant successes? Gronk? But he may very wel be the greatest TE of all time.

Obviously if you think howard is the actual best guy on the board take him. But taking out of need, especially af TE seems like the wrong way to go. I'd rather sign Doyle and draft a RB/WR/OG.
RE: RE: RE: Given the weak draft class of OL and QBs  
BillT : 1/3/2017 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13302929 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13302911 BillT said:


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In comment 13302785 Beer Man said:


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I expect to see a number of DEs, RBs, and possibly WRs off the board before the Giants pick. I hope the Giants can make a FA splash on the OL, this is not a good draft year to need OL help.


The Giants have to sign FA OLs. 3 of our top 6 OL are FA! They'll resign Pugh and look to upgrade RG or RT or both.



Newhouse and Beatty are the only 2 FAs this offseason. I'd like to keep Newhouse as depth add someone like whitworth to play LT.

I stand corrected on Pugh but Jerry, Newhouse and Beatty are FA (according to the BBI roster page) and that's one starter and the #1 backup. There will be OL FA signed.
RE: Go for it  
Anakim : 1/3/2017 3:07 pm : link
In comment 13303035 JonC said:
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always down for draft talk, but it makes sense to try and frame the discussion rather than sit here now and talk about how we must pick an OL in the first round, eg.


I didn't say we had to. I think LT is the biggest need, but I'm not willing to reach on a player just to satisfy a need.
Anak  
JonC : 1/3/2017 3:32 pm : link
It was a general comment, not a fingerpointing.
I think TE (s) is a top priority  
Ron Johnson 30 : 1/3/2017 3:35 pm : link
regardless of what else happens. It's a massive hole
RE: Anak  
Anakim : 1/3/2017 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13303113 JonC said:
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It was a general comment, not a fingerpointing.


Gotcha. Agreed then
I think OJ Howard would be the best pick  
adamg : 1/3/2017 4:15 pm : link
for the Giants in 1. Great blocking. Great hands. He would add a layer to the O we're lacking. I really hope he lasts until the 20s/30s. I think at least one of those tall WR last until round 2. Even that Godwin kid might be a good pick up in the late rounds.

Does everyone think the team views LT as a need? I don't know that Reese and McAdoo see LT as needing additional resources.
Obviously go for a difference maker regardless of position.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/3/2017 4:28 pm : link
but if I had my druthers, I'd skip TE in rd 1, because I don't think they need an elite TE for this offense to go. they need a 2 way guy who can block and catch and none of the top tier guys are really two way. More glorified WRs.

If Reuben Foster were to somehow drop, I'd snatch him up in a heartbeat. Think Landon Collins but as a bigger LB. Incredibly violent striker with the speed to cover TEs, RBs, WRs. I think he'll run in the 4.5s with great 10 yd splits.

Also a huge fan of Malik Hooker from Ohio State. Safety may not seem a need with LC and Thompson but you cannot pass ont his kid. He will lock up a secondary thats better than the Legion of Doom. Great pickup late rd 1.

I'd also invest in DeMarcus Walker from FSU. Love him as a DE on the other side of Vernon. Kid is special playing DT too.

As you mentioned above, Feeney, Johnson and Pocic are other OL  
yatqb : 1/3/2017 4:30 pm : link
who are nice prospects. Pocic's a C, but he pulls a lot and has the size and athleticism to play OG, imo. Feeney's supposedly the top-rated OG, but some talk of his pass protection needing improvement; he's an aggressive run-blocker, but I can't speak to his pass blocking. Johnson (a LG) and that whole Pitt line (including LT Bisnowaty) are great run blockers. I like what I've seen from Johnson, but Bisnowaty seems less than ideal as a LT prospect, although he seems to be moving up on pre-draft boards.

I'll throw another name out there...not as a 1st rounder but if we can trade down to early 2nd...Bucky Hodges. 6'7" WR/TE who could be a formidable complement to OBJ, and could easily play outside for us -- he does more often than not for VT. A bigger Plax who would give Eli a huge target.

And then there's one of my what I thought was a small school sleeper pick, WR Connor Kupp, who is seemingly shooting up draft boards. When he was supposed to go mid-3rd I was all over him; now looks like late 2nd, and that would be fine for me if his speed checks out at the Combine...btw, I've not seen him caught from behind in any highlight I've watched; indeed when chased he separates. 6'2", 215 lbs, great hands, plays outside and slot, holds school and conference records for receiving.
RE: I think OJ Howard would be the best pick  
JonC : 1/3/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13303215 adamg said:
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Does everyone think the team views LT as a need? I don't know that Reese and McAdoo see LT as needing additional resources.


It would be an anomaly for a mistake to be admitted after only two years.
Jon, good posts re DE, WR and CB. I could see any of those as our #1,  
yatqb : 1/3/2017 4:45 pm : link
along with MLB and even RB, although the last would be a big surprise given the depth at the position this year.
Thanks yat  
JonC : 1/3/2017 4:51 pm : link
Happy New Year to you. I think Goodson might be the MIKE next season, and wonder if they'll value a RB high enough in this crop. The league as a whole tends to devalue them, some good runners are available in rounds 3 with regularity.

Much more fun to discuss when the team's on the rise.
WR, DE, or CB in the first round shouldn't surprise anyone,  
Klaatu : 1/3/2017 4:57 pm : link
Still hoping for a Big Ugly OG somewhere in rds 1-3, though.
RE: Thanks yat  
yatqb : 1/3/2017 5:11 pm : link
In comment 13303327 JonC said:
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Happy New Year to you. I think Goodson might be the MIKE next season, and wonder if they'll value a RB high enough in this crop. The league as a whole tends to devalue them, some good runners are available in rounds 3 with regularity.

Much more fun to discuss when the team's on the rise.


Thanks, Jon, and back atcha, my friend!

I agree about several things, Jon. I think that Goodson may well replace Sheppard as our run-stuffing MLB, but think that if a stud MLB or OLB is there for us it might be tempting to make the defense that much more of a challenge to play against.

And, yup, LOTS of RBs in this draft, and if Perkins is seen as our lead RB, we don't need to use a #1 for our second RB...unless a gamebreaker is there for us.

And it IS nice to feel that we're on the cusp of something special if a few things break right for us in FA and the draft.
RE: Obviously go for a difference maker regardless of position.  
jeff57 : 1/3/2017 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13303262 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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but if I had my druthers, I'd skip TE in rd 1, because I don't think they need an elite TE for this offense to go. they need a 2 way guy who can block and catch and none of the top tier guys are really two way. More glorified WRs.

If Reuben Foster were to somehow drop, I'd snatch him up in a heartbeat. Think Landon Collins but as a bigger LB. Incredibly violent striker with the speed to cover TEs, RBs, WRs. I think he'll run in the 4.5s with great 10 yd splits.

Also a huge fan of Malik Hooker from Ohio State. Safety may not seem a need with LC and Thompson but you cannot pass ont his kid. He will lock up a secondary thats better than the Legion of Doom. Great pickup late rd 1.

I'd also invest in DeMarcus Walker from FSU. Love him as a DE on the other side of Vernon. Kid is special playing DT too.


Hooker could be a top 10 pick. Agree on Foster but don't think he'll last to the 20s and doubt Reese would take him anyway.
My wish list for the first two or three rounds is...  
JerryNYG : 1/3/2017 5:40 pm : link
A big two-way TE who can block, catch a pass up the seam, and be a consistent red zone threat.

A tall, physical outside WR to go opposite OBJ, leaving Shephard to the slot (this assumes no Cruz or a pay cut and demotion to WR4/Slot2).

Defensive line help, either a penetrating interior lineman or a rotational DE to put in the mix with Vernon, JPP (hope he is resigned), Romeo and the rest.
RE: RE: Thanks yat  
SGMen : 1/3/2017 5:48 pm : link
In comment 13303374 yatqb said:
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Happy New Year to you. I think Goodson might be the MIKE next season and wonder if they'll value an RB high enough in this crop. The league as a whole tends to devalue them; some good runners are available in rounds 3 with regularity.

Much more fun to discuss when the team's on the rise.



Thanks, Jon, and back atcha, my friend!

I agree about several things, Jon. I think that Goodson may well replace Sheppard as our run-stuffing MLB, but think that if a stud MLB or OLB is there for us it might be tempting to make the defense that much more of a challenge to play against.

And, yup, LOTS of RBs in this draft, and if Perkins is seen as our lead RB, we don't need to use a #1 for our second RB...unless a gamebreaker is there for us.

And it IS nice to feel that we're on the cusp of something special if a few things break right for us in FA and the draft.
If a RB is the BPA at #32, I say take him, especially if he is a back that compliments Perkins and can catch, run and pass protect - NFL ready. Vereen likely will play out his contract; Jennings is likely done. BPA every pick!
I don't see much in the UFA market this year.  
Klaatu : 1/3/2017 6:06 pm : link
Certainly not on the level of the starters/A-Listers that we picked up in 2016, although we might be able to sign a complimentary player or two. I figure the priority will be re-signing our own UFAs, and I'm hoping for another solid draft.
RE: Obviously go for a difference maker regardless of position.  
adamg : 1/3/2017 7:00 pm : link
In comment 13303262 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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but if I had my druthers, I'd skip TE in rd 1, because I don't think they need an elite TE for this offense to go. they need a 2 way guy who can block and catch and none of the top tier guys are really two way. More glorified WRs.

If Reuben Foster were to somehow drop, I'd snatch him up in a heartbeat. Think Landon Collins but as a bigger LB. Incredibly violent striker with the speed to cover TEs, RBs, WRs. I think he'll run in the 4.5s with great 10 yd splits.

Also a huge fan of Malik Hooker from Ohio State. Safety may not seem a need with LC and Thompson but you cannot pass ont his kid. He will lock up a secondary thats better than the Legion of Doom. Great pickup late rd 1.

I'd also invest in DeMarcus Walker from FSU. Love him as a DE on the other side of Vernon. Kid is special playing DT too.


I think Howard is good at blocking. He looks really well rounded. Though getting a playmaker on D wouldn't be terrible.
In OL coach Solari we must trust  
SGMen : 1/3/2017 7:10 pm : link
The UFA OT market is not looking good. We have to hope backup LT Will Beatty has show enough in practice that we re-sign him as the backup again. We also need to re-sign Robert Newhouse who can play swing tackle and even OG if needed.

If we can get Cowboy OG Leary he is an upgrade over OG J. Jerry. But I would not be surprised if the Giants offer Jerry a deal either. This is a thin OL group.

We have to trust that Solari can work with our OT's this off-season, maybe have them go to that OL camp in AZ, and they improve their play enough to be at least "average / acceptable" in pass protection. That is both Flowers and Hart of course.

Year 2 with Solari will be better than year 1. It has to be because by and large we've sucked on the edges.
RE: In OL coach Solari we must trust  
giantsfan44ab : 1/3/2017 7:19 pm : link
In comment 13303552 SGMen said:
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The UFA OT market is not looking good. We have to hope backup LT Will Beatty has show enough in practice that we re-sign him as the backup again. We also need to re-sign Robert Newhouse who can play swing tackle and even OG if needed.

If we can get Cowboy OG Leary he is an upgrade over OG J. Jerry. But I would not be surprised if the Giants offer Jerry a deal either. This is a thin OL group.

We have to trust that Solari can work with our OT's this off-season, maybe have them go to that OL camp in AZ, and they improve their play enough to be at least "average / acceptable" in pass protection. That is both Flowers and Hart of course.

Year 2 with Solari will be better than year 1. It has to be because by and large we've sucked on the edges.


Andrew Whitworth!
Beatty  
XBRONX : 1/3/2017 7:21 pm : link
you must be kidding. He robbed the Giants this year.
RE: Beatty  
yatqb : 1/3/2017 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13303568 XBRONX said:
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you must be kidding. He robbed the Giants this year.


He didn't rob us. He was signed as a depth backup when Newhouse went down. He was a last resort when we picked him up, and was treated that way. Seems to me he earned his money just like some of the other guys who are at the fringes of the roster. And that's by being available if needed.
Won't complain about almost anyone for the offense  
Bluesbreaker : 1/3/2017 7:58 pm : link
I guess it will come down to BPA I would love one of the
top TE's also a top RB to go with Perkins I like
Foreman I think he is gonna be a beast .
WR with size I wonder if there will be a worthwhile pick
at that point . Wouldn't mind Ruben Foster for the D either
RE: I'm not sure what position Soloman Thomas would play in a 4-3,  
Percy : 1/3/2017 10:18 pm : link
In comment 13302638 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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but I was hoping he would fall to the Giants.

That went out the window with his bowl performance. Like Sy said, he could be looking at a top 10 pick.

Agree. He'd be a terrific pick for the Giants. One can still hope (trade up).
RE: RE: In OL coach Solari we must trust  
SGMen : 1/3/2017 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13303565 giantsfan44ab said:
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sgmen said:
Year 2 with Solari will be better than year 1. It has to be because by and large we've sucked on the edges.



Andrew Whitworth!
There was a write up by someone about UFA potential free agents and if I remember correctly the logic was he won't be available. But hey, it is just someone's opinion.
One guy not mentioned earlier is Roderick Johnson, the LT  
yatqb : 1/3/2017 11:07 pm : link
for FSU.

Over the course of the games I saw and in youtube highlights, he showed some of the same flaws in pass protection as Flowers; bending at the waist, overextending, and not sinking into his squat. But in the FSU/Michigan bowl game, against a taller guy in Charlton, he was much more balanced (not that Charlton didn't get over on him several times).

He will likely go somewhere between 25-40. He's a guy with potential, but nothing like a finished prospect. I'd rather trade a 1 and 3 for Ramczyk than take him, because RR is a plug and play starter imo.
Njoku  
xman : 1/4/2017 12:57 am : link
from the U as our TE in the late first
First round targets  
johnboyw : 1/4/2017 9:59 am : link
I think we all know JR well enough to know that his first round pick will be an impact player. That means QB, WR, LT, DE or CB. And just maybe a pass rushing OLB. So given that and the way the lower part of the first round is currently stacking up (that will change), here are some possible targets at pick #27:

WR Ju Ju Smith Shuster USC - has Dez Bryant type physical ability and some Dez Bryant type diva in him. Buyer beware.

WR Corey Davis Western Michigan - showed he could play with the big boys in their bowl game. Reminds me of Kevin White (W Virginia). Seems to be a good kid too. Clean pick.

DE DeMarcus Walker Florida State - physically almost a clone of Olivier Vernon except with more power. Can rush from the outside and the inside (15 sacks this year). Plays the run equally well. Thick and powerful from top to bottom. Team captain. Giants type of pick.

CB Adoree Jackson USC - gifted athlete who can do it all for a team (assuming his knee is okay). A little small for the Giants liking as a CB but the athletic skills may be too good to pass up.

CB Marshon Lattimore Ohio State - Giants sized CB from a big school. Would be a replacement for DRC if he goes elsewhere which I hope he doesn't.

Last possibility as things currently stand would be OLB Tim Williams from Alabama if he falls about 8-10 spots. It could happen if teams are less than impressed with his interviews and his recent off field baggage. He would create an instant problem for any O line on passing downs.

So that's it for now. But you can rest pretty comfortable it won't be a QB (yet), a LT (what start all over) or a TE (none good enough for this pick).
Lattimore does catch the eye  
JonC : 1/4/2017 10:08 am : link
and fits the NYG bill, but he'll probably be long gone by our pick, same with Shuyster. But, I'd agree they are NYG-type prospects to watch.
Nice post, johnboy.  
yatqb : 1/4/2017 10:49 am : link
Walker would certainly be a nice addition to the DL; guy's a bull.
The only free agent LT that is mildly intriguing for me is Matt Kalil  
Anakim : 1/5/2017 9:53 am : link
But he sucked with Minnesota and he's also coming off a serious injury.
My "realistic" mock right now:  
Anakim : 1/5/2017 10:23 am : link
1) TE David Njoku of Miami or TE OJ Howard of Alabama

2) WR Courtland Sutton of SMU

3) LB Duke Riley of LSU

4) RB Jamaal Williams of BYU or Brian Hill of Wyoming

5) CB Damontae Kazee of San Diego State

6) DT Larry Ogunjobi of Charlotte

7) OG Greg Pyke of Georgia
Anak, are you really that high on Njoku?  
yatqb : 1/5/2017 8:13 pm : link
I see him as purely a receiving TE. I see Howard as much more able to fulfill the traditional TE role while also being a receiving threat.

BTW, look at some of the Cooper Kupp highlights and tell me what you think...I believe that he can be an impact player on a team like ours.
We dont even know where we will draft  
Amtoft : 1/6/2017 2:28 am : link
Or everyone who will declare plus combine and other things. Then of course Free Agency... That being said ...

1. OT Ryan Ramczyk - not sure how bad his injury is
2. DE Harold Landry BC - huge fan... think he plays the run better than most other DEs and gets to the QB
3. WR Chad Hansen Cal - if you don't know yet... you will... he may be a 2nd rounder
4. DT Davon Godchaux LSU - like his game. Not sure if he will be here.
5. CB Brandon Facyson VT - like what i saw... not sure where he is ranked but wouldn't shock me if he is a 2nd rounder. CB position is really deep this year.
6. QB Davis Webb Cal - has a big arm with decent accuracy, but locks onto targets and isn't great and getting through reads. Again who knows where he will shake out. He will be at the SR bowl.
7. WR Dupri or Duval from LSU - they both will probably run like the wind, but their passing offense was so bad i would bet one of them falls and i take a chance on a raw talented WR

Really like OJ Howard a lot. Think he is the best TE. Also like Njoku a lot too. I think Curtis Samuel is amazing but is so different i don't think i could just use him as a WR. Curious where Donta Foreman will shake out too. So big and powerful. He could be a first rounder or a 4th rounder. If DT Vita Vea Washington comes out he would go on my list very quickly. Kid is a beast! This is a great draft!
John Ross WR is a freak.  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 1/6/2017 6:29 am : link
Reminds me of OBJ. Can destroy you with sub 4.3 speed. Great hands. Not tall, but do you need to be with sub 4.3 speed.
RE: RE: Beatty  
Racer : 1/6/2017 8:44 am : link
In comment 13303590 yatqb said:
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In comment 13303568 XBRONX said:


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you must be kidding. He robbed the Giants this year.



He didn't rob us. He was signed as a depth backup when Newhouse went down. He was a last resort when we picked him up, and was treated that way. Seems to me he earned his money just like some of the other guys who are at the fringes of the roster. And that's by being available if needed.



X, that's like saying you pissed your car insurance premiums away last year because you never had a claim.
RE: Anak, are you really that high on Njoku?  
Anakim : 1/6/2017 10:19 am : link
In comment 13307503 yatqb said:
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I see him as purely a receiving TE. I see Howard as much more able to fulfill the traditional TE role while also being a receiving threat.

BTW, look at some of the Cooper Kupp highlights and tell me what you think...I believe that he can be an impact player on a team like ours.


I agree with you there. From the U games that I've seen, Njoku rarely had his hand in the dirt and was blocking. He mainly lined up more in the receiver role than as an inline blocking TE. And why not? The kid is a freak athletically the likes of which we haven't seen since who? Vernon Davis? Gronk? So yeah, perhaps OJ Howard would be a better fit, but Njoku may have a bit more potential as a receiver. Both are beasts though, IMO.


I'll look at Kupp later. I've heard great things about him though.
RE: RE: RE: Beatty  
Milton : 1/6/2017 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13307845 Racer said:
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In comment 13303590 yatqb said:

In comment 13303568 XBRONX said: you must be kidding. He robbed the Giants this year.

X, that's like saying you pissed your car insurance premiums away last year because you never had a claim.

Except they had a claim and Beatty was nowhere to be found. So it's like buying insurance and then finding out the insurance company went belly up when you put in a claim.
OJ Howard in the first would be nice  
adamg : 1/8/2017 11:43 pm : link
I think he would be a plug and play real sized TE who can block.
RE: OJ Howard in the first would be nice  
Anakim : 1/9/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13316036 adamg said:
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I think he would be a plug and play real sized TE who can block.



I agree. I think Howard is more ready (especially blocking) now and has the higher floor, but Njoku has the higher ceiling and offers more in the passing game.
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