did not get to speak with him but was prepping myself for what I was going to ask him/say to him.
What would you have asked him if you had the opportunity?
For those of you who travel a lot, he is Global Services with United.
(prepping myself for some funny responses)
Didn't he run over Sanders one time in Dallas???
there are about 5 Giants I can recognize without their uniforms on and he's not one of them.
So what do you say to him, did that headache ever stop?
there are about 5 Giants I can recognize without their uniforms on and he's not one of them.
Not sure other than I have been a fan for a long time and I have seen that distraught face on the sideline way too often. Plus, he looked to be about 6'4", I know he is from NJ and this was Newark airport... you just put the pieces together. Then, I look on my united APP and see Bro D in seat A3 on the upgrade list and that sealed it for me.
So what do you say to him, did that headache ever stop?
LOL, I did not get the opportunity. It probably would have been something in the lines of what are doing with yourself post football?
If you really need to ask a question then, how did you like playing for Dan Reeves?
there are about 5 Giants I can recognize without their uniforms on and he's not one of them.
PJ - the one player you generally know is the QB LOL.....on every team.
But, he did co-host a post game show for the Eagles here maybe 5-6 years ago, so I would also remember that.
I am still very much scarred as a fan by those Brown-Graham-Kanell years. It's why I cant believe how cavalierly some fans here suggest moving on from Eli. Even competent QB play is a blessing.
Not saying much. They were the laughingstock of football.
No, he was Jake Plummer's backup who started a few games here and there when Plummer was hurt.
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question would be for you and how you recognized him.
there are about 5 Giants I can recognize without their uniforms on and he's not one of them.
PJ - the one player you generally know is the QB LOL.....on every team.
But, he did co-host a post game show for the Eagles here maybe 5-6 years ago, so I would also remember that.
I guess. I obviously recognize Simms, Hoss, even Kent Graham (he had a distinctive look), Kerry Collins, Warner and Eli, even Danny Kanell, Jesse Palmer and the hefty lefty, but I don't think I'd recognize Dave Brown if he were standing in front of me. Maybe I blocked his whole existence out of my mind.
I don't think Brown was even good in college. Just a big guy with a decent arm. And did he even have a decent arm?
(Fixed it for you.)
It doesn't make him a bad guy, he just wasn't a good football player.
The offense provided to him was complete crap. Rodney Hampton as his peak was winding down and nothing else at skill position.
Reeves ran terrible offenses for the Giants.
He was not very good but was setup to fail and made to look bad. And he gets way too much shit here.
2) Favorite away stadium
3) Classiest opposing team
4) When you watch games, do you watch it analytically or just as a fan?
5) What was your best memory in terms of running a play based on your film study -- something that worked perfectly?
6) Does he talk football much now? With whom?
7) Do players regard trick plays as smart football or wussy maneuvers?
8) What exactly is meant by a "game plan"? How detailed is it?
9) What opposing teams were the best coached -- regardless of talent level?
10) Worst opposing fans? Why?
He's a total class act.
A lot of spoiled Giants fans after seeing the success of the 80s view the 90s as some horrible era. the travesty wasn't having to rebuild between 94-96 to get to a good period for the Giants in 97-2000. It was the lost opps of 91 and 92.
Fairly short period of mediocrity. Most fan bases would love a sb return within 10 years of a ring.
If the guy behaved badly I'd get the fans killing him but it's not his fault he was over drafted.
I would have asked him if he misses football/whether he is still feeling the physical impacts of playing /favourite moment of his career.
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It doesn't make him a bad guy, he just wasn't a good football player.
So your standard for Dave Brown was Joe Montana ?
I can't but to feel sorry for the guy. In '97 when the Giants finally got a good coach, Brown gets his ribs cracked by the lousy Rams defense in Game 3. Of course that same lousy Rams defense won a Super Bowl the following year when they got a QB with a pulse.
Anyway back to Brown, he's inured, Kanell lucks into the starting job and they go to the playoffs. I wonder what Brown could have done if they stayed healthy ? Maybe he could have run up the score against Minnesota to the point where it wouldn't have mattered when Cab Calloway fumbled the onside kick.
Collins was the same way. I can still see in my mind's eye a defender coming around the blind side corner, full speed ready to clobber him and Brown/Collins is totally oblivious.
Nightmare for fans.
I never had a problem with Brown. He was surrounded by some poor teams, and his effort was never in question. It's the super talented players that either half ass it or just don't get it that drive you crazy. Kerry Collins drove me nuts.
He may be the nicest guy in the world but he was never a NFL QB -- just like every other QB coached by Spurrier (see article). The only decision that George Young made that was worse was taking Derek Brown in the first round that year. One hard hit from LT in practice and Derek Brown was done.
I was so glad when Dave Brown was gone, for the most part the 90s were sucky years for Giants football.
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My son and I have actually thrown the football with him and he can still sling it...amazing when you see him throw so effortlessly yet his career in NFL didn't amount to much obviously...
Why be a jerk to the guy? He grew up a Giants fan and was put in a tough situation.
Just the most mystifying pick by Young, although maybe the word was not out that Spurrier QBs were always terrible.
The best comment I heard about Brown was by a neighbor at the stadium: "If you want a point guard pick someone from Duke. Not a QB."
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I am still very much scarred as a fan by those Brown-Graham-Kanell years. It's why I cant believe how cavalierly some fans here suggest moving on from Eli. Even competent QB play is a blessing.
This.
A couple vivid fourth quarter memories that happened right in front of where we were sitting:
1. Chris Calloway is WIDE OPEN deep down the right sideline on a busted coverage. Brown sees him and the ball just comes out funny and gets caught up in the wind. Calloway has to stop and wait for the ball to come down like a punt. He catches it a moment before the safety (Brent Alexander who went on to finish his career with us several years later) just blows him up. It's a 49 yard gain, but it should have been a walk in TD.
2. It ended up not mattering because Brown ran it in himself from 2 yards out later that same possession. He then proceeded to turn and throw the ball way up in the stands. It landed 3 rows short of us. We were going nuts.
Great memories in the old stadium.
He never could adjust to a more NFL arm motion and was not very accurate. second flaw. NO mobility at couldn't read the defenses third flaw. His line was bad but Danny Kanell did fine with it in 97. He had Rodney Hampton Herchel Walker, as a Back Charles Way for a year,Chris Calloway Slow but great hands. and a Good Defense. Teammates did not like him much. Graham was the better QB but George Young wanted Brown because he was very smart.
He never could adjust to a more NFL arm motion and was not very accurate. second flaw. NO mobility at couldn't read the defenses third flaw. His line was bad but Danny Kanell did fine with it in 97. He had Rodney Hampton Herchel Walker, as a Back Charles Way for a year,Chris Calloway Slow but great hands. and a Good Defense. Teammates did not like him much. Graham was the better QB but George Young wanted Brown because he was very smart.
Now That was funny!
lol
Why be a jerk to the guy? He grew up a Giants fan and was put in a tough situation.
I echo those sentiments.
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First off they changed his motion because he would bring it from the ground up like a pitcher. First flaw.
He never could adjust to a more NFL arm motion and was not very accurate. second flaw. NO mobility at couldn't read the defenses third flaw. His line was bad but Danny Kanell did fine with it in 97. He had Rodney Hampton Herchel Walker, as a Back Charles Way for a year,Chris Calloway Slow but great hands. and a Good Defense. Teammates did not like him much. Graham was the better QB but George Young wanted Brown because he was very smart.
Thats not what I remember. He was an accurate passer when he had protection. As for his teammates not liking him the only thing I remember is that Reeve's WR coach, who's name I've blacked out didn't like him. By '97 Toomer was starting to develop so they finally had a deep threat. Prior to '97 the only reliable receiver they had was Calloway and Brown did OK with him. As for his not being mobile, Dan Reeves did not believe in Mobile quarterbacks. He believed QB's should stand in the pocket and get flattened. As for his ability to read defenses its hard to say. just because Eli has the flexibility to change the play at the LOS doesn't mean that Brown did. It never seemed like he had that kind of flexibility
I should have mentioned his offensive line that did not like him and let alone for other teams to intimidate.
Kent Graham show more than Brown and was passed over because Reeves thought he could fix Brown Even Fassel couldn't fix Dave Brown. As for Mobile QBs You Know Dan Reeves had John Elway running all over the place. Brown was a statue. His wind up throws were horrible and he could not throw the NFL pass windows that other QBs could throw into. Kanell replaced him and he had a noodle arm.
I'm sure you would have said this to his face.
Fucker works for United and still gets to be on an upgrade list? Over paying and loyal passengers?
I've got 30 upgrade points with American i dont know what to do with since even as Platinum i never get frickin' upgraded. These are reasons why!
But why be mean to the guy?
We have went on to 3 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl championships.
Life hasn't been bad for a Giants fan. Maybe we had to endure Brown to get to the better years. Make the Giants realize the importance of a franchise QB and be willing to pay the price to go up and get him.
You know who sucked? Jamarcus Russell. Ryan Leaf. Guys with worlds of talent that wasted it by being idiots.
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Then, I look on my united APP and see Bro D in seat A3 on the upgrade list and that sealed it for me.
Fucker works for United and still gets to be on an upgrade list? Over paying and loyal passengers?
I've got 30 upgrade points with American i dont know what to do with since even as Platinum i never get frickin' upgraded. These are reasons why!
He works for united??? He was boarding when they called global services
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your football career and epic fail?
I'm sure you would have said this to his face.
It's a joke. I wouldn't bother with the guy.
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Then, I look on my united APP and see Bro D in seat A3 on the upgrade list and that sealed it for
He works for united??? He was boarding when they called global services
Ah ok misread your post. I've never heard of 'global services' term because I don't fly out of Newark and hence United. Seemed like United had a global services dept. I guess it's their platinum a advantage or skymiles equivalent? Global services is an odd term for passenger mileage status
franchise QBs are just about a "once in a career" find for a GM.
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Then, I look on my united APP and see Bro D in seat A3 on the upgrade list and that sealed it for
He works for united??? He was boarding when they called global services
Ah ok misread your post. I've never heard of 'global services' term because I don't fly out of Newark and hence United. Seemed like United had a global services dept. I guess it's their platinum a advantage or skymiles equivalent? Global services is an odd term for passenger mileage status
It's the United top level invitation only program.
It's the United top level invitation only program.
Exactly... they give the top 1% (that is the word on the street) of spenders and they get that invitation only status. I am 1K and that is the level just below that. Decent perks. You get many more upgrades and free snacks and alcohol even in coach.
United had Global Services before the merger with Continental. I heard that back then they would pick you up at your house and drive you to the airport free if you needed a ride.
Unless I start flying international I will most likely never get Global Services. I just don't spend enough
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row once with Brown at QB. Can't remember the year. He took some awful hits and showed some real toughness all the time he was here.
1994 (his first year as a starter). We started out 3-7 and then won the last 6 games. We were predicted by some to challenge the cowboys for the NFC east in 1995 only to be spanked by them in the season opener on mnf.
Even at 10 years old, I had zero faith in Dave Brown to deliver that year.
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Haha!
He was a tough SOB for the hits he took week in and week out. his OL were also a bunch of assholes for not sticking up for him during that on field near altercation.
But a lot of guys (David Carr comes to mind) are screwed by their situation basically on day 1. Like Carr, brown suffered from bad lines and talent around him.
But a lot of guys (David Carr comes to mind) are screwed by their situation basically on day 1. Like Carr, brown suffered from bad lines and talent around him.