I got ahead of myself with my PFF thread. This is even better!
Haha okay, I'll repost what I posted on the other one :)
I think Collins is gonna win DPOY
Not just because he deserves it, but he keeps getting recognized for his work at every possible milestone. First Pro Bowl, now All-Pro. So the idea he won't win because of a Von Miller's reputation doesn't apply, IMO. He's getting his due and I don't think it stops now.
@KimJonesSports 1m1 minute ago
I've said it before: Landon Collins was franchise-changing draft move by Jerry Reese. @TheHumble_21 improvement in 2nd season = incredible.
I know this is sacrilegious to say but I think Collins has a chance to be the sort of defensive franchise player that we had in LT, Stray and for a time Tuck. I think he has a chance to be up there and really in my mind I can only think of LT right now.
His leap this year sparked the whole team and really took the pressure off of the newcomers. He has the respect of all the players in the locker room and the defense certainly follows his lead.
For him and Snacks this is well deserved. Those two are our most important players right now.
they have 12 defenders and 3 CBs so I'm assuming they picked 2 outside CBs and 1 slot CB due to the increase in 11 personnel by the offense. Chris Harris is arguably the best slot CB in the game so I don't see an issue there.
Glad to see DRC get some recognition. He quietly had a very good season. I say quietly because Jenkins got all the attention with the FA contract and the Giants overall FA influx. They have to be the best CB duo in my lifetime (1972), right? This might also be our best secondary in that same span.
I know this is sacrilegious to say but I think Collins has a chance to be the sort of defensive franchise player that we had in LT, Stray and for a time Tuck. I think he has a chance to be up there and really in my mind I can only think of LT right now.
His leap this year sparked the whole team and really took the pressure off of the newcomers. He has the respect of all the players in the locker room and the defense certainly follows his lead.
For him and Snacks this is well deserved. Those two are our most important players right now.
It's not sacrilegious, it's ridiculous. Strahan and Tuck aren't on the LT level, let alone Collins.
RE: We have 5 defensive players on the First team or 2nd all pro team
is a bit of an illusion. He's one of 4 "Edge" players tied with 3 votes, behind the two starters-- He, Clowney, Wake, and Graham can all claim to be "2nd-team." Full vote totals - ( New Window )
Yeah I was. Only reason to knock Bell out of the 1st team would be because of missing 4 games. For the same reasons I thought Odell would've got in over Jones.
Aaron Donald, St. Louis, 47;
Damon Harrison, New York Giants 16;
Ndamukong Suh, Miami, 12;
Calais Campbell, Arizona, 7;
Gerald McCoy, Tampa Bay, 7;
Fletcher Cox, Philadelphia, 6;
Geno Atkins, Cincinnati, 5.
Aqib Talib, Denver, 27;
Marcus Peters, Kansas City, 23;
Janoris Jenkins, New York Giants, 17;
Malcolm Butler, New England, 8;
Casey Hayward, San Diego, 8;
Richard Sherman, Seattle, 7;
Xavier Rhodes, Minnesota, 5;
Chris Harris Jr., Denver, 4;
Dominique-Rodgers-Cromartie, New York Giants, 1.
Landon Collins, New York Giants, 47;
Eric Berry, Kansas City, 31;
Devin McCourty, New England, 4;
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Green Bay, 4;
Earl Thomas, Seattle, 3;
Harrison Smith, Minnesota, 3;
Reggie Nelson, Cincinnati, 2;
Kam Chancellor, Seattle, 2;
Malcolm Jenkins, Philadelphia, 1;
Eric Weddle, Baltimore, 1;
Quintin Demps, Houston, 1;
Darian Stewart, Denver, 1.
but Jackrabbit needs to be First Team. I can't imagine there was a better CB in football this year. Consistently asked to cover the oppositions #1 and consistently dominated.
All Pro is what matters, Pro Bowl is a popularity contest.
I thought Jenkins over Talib as well, but he's got some pretty good numbers and reputation puts him over the edge. You could argue for Jenkins or Butler over Talib.
Jones is a great WR but the guy just doesn't score at anywhere close to the same rate as Odell, who was our entire offense this year. We also didn't have Freeman and Coleman back there racking up yards and TD's which kept defenses more honest.
Not counting JPP who is probably our best player. Unreal
Hard to compare across positions, but I'm not sure he's even our best DE.
Debatable. I rewatched the season. It definitely felt like during jpps healthy games that he was the force that got the line going. He was making big plays to kill drives, constantly causing a push. Something the others werent on each play. Other teams noticed it since he was the one double teamed. He seemed to be the one to wake up the D in that Bears game. Its a real shame he aint playing Sunday. Our blitzing is causing the pressure. Maybe we wouldnt need to with as many guys if JPP were healthy. This is when rodgers will have that quick release to cook if our blitz dont go right thru the packers underated O line. Its gunna be so much about the lines this week. Cause their D line is underated as well. Their only huge weakness is the secondary, something we may not even be able to exploit if our line gets abused. I wish this matchup would of been a bit later but it is what it is. I do think we can win, but im not being cocky like I have seen from some. Our O line needs to get the job done> Our D can play great n yet Packs still get 16-20 points. That amount can still beat us. Be physical right outta the gate n let them kno they r gunna take a beating for each n every yard they gain! Kill that swag. Lets go Giants!
acknowledge that the Cowboys have 3(!) First Team All-Pros on the offensive line and that doesn't factor into thinking that perhaps David Johnson was more deserving than Ezekial Elliot?
Something's gotta give.
Three of those players on the list were here last season
Wanted him so bad. Also of course my guy Donald makes it again. That 2014 draft will haunt many teams who picked early that year except for the Texans and Bucs who got the real deals. Browns had so many chances to make a super team.
How often is it that a nickel-back makes All-Pro?
p.s.-- And did you notice that Quentin Demps got a vote? He was Defensive Player of the Month in the AFC for December.
Aaron Donald, St. Louis, 47;
Damon Harrison, New York Giants 16;
Ndamukong Suh, Miami, 12;
Calais Campbell, Arizona, 7;
Gerald McCoy, Tampa Bay, 7;
Fletcher Cox, Philadelphia, 6;
Geno Atkins, Cincinnati, 5.
Aqib Talib, Denver, 27;
Marcus Peters, Kansas City, 23;
Janoris Jenkins, New York Giants, 17;
Malcolm Butler, New England, 8;
Casey Hayward, San Diego, 8;
Richard Sherman, Seattle, 7;
Xavier Rhodes, Minnesota, 5;
Chris Harris Jr., Denver, 4;
Dominique-Rodgers-Cromartie, New York Giants, 1.
Landon Collins, New York Giants, 47;
So wait? Vernon has been all this for Miami in 16'???
Julio also missed a few games and was fairly inconsistent in parts of the season. He would have a huge game (vs. CAR, 12 catches, 300 yards) and follow that with a dud (vs. TB, 1 catch, 16 yards.) I think OBJ is more consistent, and obviously scores more TDs.
Julio also missed a few games and was fairly inconsistent in parts of the season. He would have a huge game (vs. CAR, 12 catches, 300 yards) and follow that with a dud (vs. TB, 1 catch, 16 yards.) I think OBJ is more consistent, and obviously scores more TDs.
I agree. OBJ has dropped more passes than Julio/Antonio, but neither mean more to their offenses or impact games the way OBJ does.
Of course, they've been around a long time and are highly respected, is the Sporting News list out ?
* Is this the 1st year, they didn't list a fullback ?
* Jackrabbit is better than Talib, but he's with a new team and Talib is coming off a championship year (2015)
* Julio Jones over OBJ because Jones is not triple-teamed at ATL the way OBJ is here. OBJ is the BEST player in the NFL, period (on either side of the ball)
* We did get screwed out of Conklin by Tunsil's bong snorting (but maybe, in the long-run having a high quality CB is more important); I'm reminded of the old football saying - "God doesn't make many good corner backs, so when you see one, better get him"
Aaron Donald, St. Louis, 47;
Damon Harrison, New York Giants 16;
Ndamukong Suh, Miami, 12;
Calais Campbell, Arizona, 7;
Gerald McCoy, Tampa Bay, 7;
Fletcher Cox, Philadelphia, 6;
Geno Atkins, Cincinnati, 5.
Aqib Talib, Denver, 27;
Marcus Peters, Kansas City, 23;
Janoris Jenkins, New York Giants, 17;
Malcolm Butler, New England, 8;
Casey Hayward, San Diego, 8;
Richard Sherman, Seattle, 7;
Xavier Rhodes, Minnesota, 5;
Chris Harris Jr., Denver, 4;
Dominique-Rodgers-Cromartie, New York Giants, 1.
Landon Collins, New York Giants, 47;
So wait? Vernon has been all this for Miami in 16'???
Relax, it's a typo. Big deal. Just copied and pasted from the article.
Haha okay, I'll repost what I posted on the other one :)
I think Collins is gonna win DPOY
Not just because he deserves it, but he keeps getting recognized for his work at every possible milestone. First Pro Bowl, now All-Pro. So the idea he won't win because of a Von Miller's reputation doesn't apply, IMO. He's getting his due and I don't think it stops now.
Just shows how stupid the pro bowl selections process is. Snack deserves both.
He got the better end of the deal, honestly. Pro Bowls don't mean much.
@KimJonesSports 1m1 minute ago
I've said it before: Landon Collins was franchise-changing draft move by Jerry Reese. @TheHumble_21 improvement in 2nd season = incredible.
Second team: OBJ, Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, DRC.
IMHO the AP "All Pro" is the higher honor than being voted to the Pro Bowl, right?
His leap this year sparked the whole team and really took the pressure off of the newcomers. He has the respect of all the players in the locker room and the defense certainly follows his lead.
For him and Snacks this is well deserved. Those two are our most important players right now.
Offense:
Aikman said he voted for him for the all pro team and was maybe the best defensive player he's seen all year.
Conklin is really impressive, and a pretty fair choice. Tyron Smith? No. Not this year.
+1
15 Giants D to 16 Giants D the biggest talent improvement I've ever seen. Worst to best, in 1 offseason.
15 Giants D to 16 Giants D the biggest talent improvement I've ever seen. Worst to best, in 1 offseason.
Was just thinking the same thing. For all of our GM's flaws, he killed it this past offseason.
Of Reese's offseason moves:
Brought in one first-team All-Pro and two second-team All-Pros.
Still worried about whether #Giants "overpaid"?
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we went YEARS without any Pro Bowlers on D. Maybe 1 here and there.
15 Giants D to 16 Giants D the biggest talent improvement I've ever seen. Worst to best, in 1 offseason.
Was just thinking the same thing. For all of our GM's flaws, he killed it this past offseason.
And in the draft.
Would love to see JR begin to address the offense this offseason or in the draft.
Thank you @AP_NFL and all the voters that recognize the work I put in. It's humbling and a blessing. 1st Team All-Pro Snacks #GiantsPride
I wouldn't have.
His leap this year sparked the whole team and really took the pressure off of the newcomers. He has the respect of all the players in the locker room and the defense certainly follows his lead.
For him and Snacks this is well deserved. Those two are our most important players right now.
Indeed it is. Good for them, they played well this season.
You don't usually see a spending spree working this well,
especially in the first year.
I'd put OB in over Bryant this year.
All Pro is what matters, Pro Bowl is a popularity contest.
Full vote totals - ( New Window )
Yeah I was. Only reason to knock Bell out of the 1st team would be because of missing 4 games. For the same reasons I thought Odell would've got in over Jones.
Vic Beasley Jr., Atlanta, 30;
Cameron Wake, Miami, 3;
Olivier Vernon, Miami, 3;
Jadeveon Clowney, Houston,m 3;
Brandon Graham, Philadelphia, 3;
Michael Bennett, Seattle, 2;
Cameron Jordan, New Orleans, 2;
Danielle Hunter, Minnesota, 2;
Cliff Avril, Seattle, 2;
Everon Griffen, Minnesota, 1;
Joey Bosa, San Diego, 1.
Aaron Donald, St. Louis, 47;
Damon Harrison, New York Giants 16;
Ndamukong Suh, Miami, 12;
Calais Campbell, Arizona, 7;
Gerald McCoy, Tampa Bay, 7;
Fletcher Cox, Philadelphia, 6;
Geno Atkins, Cincinnati, 5.
Aqib Talib, Denver, 27;
Marcus Peters, Kansas City, 23;
Janoris Jenkins, New York Giants, 17;
Malcolm Butler, New England, 8;
Casey Hayward, San Diego, 8;
Richard Sherman, Seattle, 7;
Xavier Rhodes, Minnesota, 5;
Chris Harris Jr., Denver, 4;
Dominique-Rodgers-Cromartie, New York Giants, 1.
Landon Collins, New York Giants, 47;
Eric Berry, Kansas City, 31;
Devin McCourty, New England, 4;
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Green Bay, 4;
Earl Thomas, Seattle, 3;
Harrison Smith, Minnesota, 3;
Reggie Nelson, Cincinnati, 2;
Kam Chancellor, Seattle, 2;
Malcolm Jenkins, Philadelphia, 1;
Eric Weddle, Baltimore, 1;
Quintin Demps, Houston, 1;
Darian Stewart, Denver, 1.
0 skins
0 eagles
Odd how they handled the slot corners. If they're going to treat it as a separate position, it should be voted on separately.
I'd put OB in over Bryant this year.
All Pro is what matters, Pro Bowl is a popularity contest.
I thought Jenkins over Talib as well, but he's got some pretty good numbers and reputation puts him over the edge. You could argue for Jenkins or Butler over Talib.
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Not counting JPP who is probably our best player. Unreal
Hard to compare across positions, but I'm not sure he's even our best DE.
Debatable. I rewatched the season. It definitely felt like during jpps healthy games that he was the force that got the line going. He was making big plays to kill drives, constantly causing a push. Something the others werent on each play. Other teams noticed it since he was the one double teamed. He seemed to be the one to wake up the D in that Bears game. Its a real shame he aint playing Sunday. Our blitzing is causing the pressure. Maybe we wouldnt need to with as many guys if JPP were healthy. This is when rodgers will have that quick release to cook if our blitz dont go right thru the packers underated O line. Its gunna be so much about the lines this week. Cause their D line is underated as well. Their only huge weakness is the secondary, something we may not even be able to exploit if our line gets abused. I wish this matchup would of been a bit later but it is what it is. I do think we can win, but im not being cocky like I have seen from some. Our O line needs to get the job done> Our D can play great n yet Packs still get 16-20 points. That amount can still beat us. Be physical right outta the gate n let them kno they r gunna take a beating for each n every yard they gain! Kill that swag. Lets go Giants!
Hakeem Nicks vs Aquib Talib - ( New Window )
Don't think they were using 2011 film to vote on the 2016 all pro team.
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take a look at this film Hakeem Nicks vs Aquib Talib - ( New Window )
Don't think they were using 2011 film to vote on the 2016 all pro team.
It was a compliment to Nicks
Something's gotta give.
Really just an outstanding job done by the FO and coaching staff all around.
p.s.-- And did you notice that Quentin Demps got a vote? He was Defensive Player of the Month in the AFC for December.
Vic Beasley Jr., Atlanta, 30;
Cameron Wake, Miami, 3;
Olivier Vernon, Miami, 3;
Jadeveon Clowney, Houston,m 3;
Brandon Graham, Philadelphia, 3;
Michael Bennett, Seattle, 2;
Cameron Jordan, New Orleans, 2;
Danielle Hunter, Minnesota, 2;
Cliff Avril, Seattle, 2;
Everon Griffen, Minnesota, 1;
Joey Bosa, San Diego, 1.
Aaron Donald, St. Louis, 47;
Damon Harrison, New York Giants 16;
Ndamukong Suh, Miami, 12;
Calais Campbell, Arizona, 7;
Gerald McCoy, Tampa Bay, 7;
Fletcher Cox, Philadelphia, 6;
Geno Atkins, Cincinnati, 5.
Aqib Talib, Denver, 27;
Marcus Peters, Kansas City, 23;
Janoris Jenkins, New York Giants, 17;
Malcolm Butler, New England, 8;
Casey Hayward, San Diego, 8;
Richard Sherman, Seattle, 7;
Xavier Rhodes, Minnesota, 5;
Chris Harris Jr., Denver, 4;
Dominique-Rodgers-Cromartie, New York Giants, 1.
Landon Collins, New York Giants, 47;
So wait? Vernon has been all this for Miami in 16'???
Odell: 101 catches, 1367 yards, 10 TDs.
Julio also missed a few games and was fairly inconsistent in parts of the season. He would have a huge game (vs. CAR, 12 catches, 300 yards) and follow that with a dud (vs. TB, 1 catch, 16 yards.) I think OBJ is more consistent, and obviously scores more TDs.
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Art Stapleton @art_stapleton Art Stapleton
Of Reese's offseason moves:
Brought in one first-team All-Pro and two second-team All-Pros.
Still worried about whether #Giants "overpaid"?
And drafted a possible DPOY in Collins
Odell: 101 catches, 1367 yards, 10 TDs.
Julio also missed a few games and was fairly inconsistent in parts of the season. He would have a huge game (vs. CAR, 12 catches, 300 yards) and follow that with a dud (vs. TB, 1 catch, 16 yards.) I think OBJ is more consistent, and obviously scores more TDs.
I agree. OBJ has dropped more passes than Julio/Antonio, but neither mean more to their offenses or impact games the way OBJ does.
Of course, they've been around a long time and are highly respected, is the Sporting News list out ?
* Is this the 1st year, they didn't list a fullback ?
* Jackrabbit is better than Talib, but he's with a new team and Talib is coming off a championship year (2015)
* Julio Jones over OBJ because Jones is not triple-teamed at ATL the way OBJ is here. OBJ is the BEST player in the NFL, period (on either side of the ball)
* We did get screwed out of Conklin by Tunsil's bong snorting (but maybe, in the long-run having a high quality CB is more important); I'm reminded of the old football saying - "God doesn't make many good corner backs, so when you see one, better get him"
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Khalil Mack, Oakland, 46;
Vic Beasley Jr., Atlanta, 30;
Cameron Wake, Miami, 3;
Olivier Vernon, Miami, 3;
Jadeveon Clowney, Houston,m 3;
Brandon Graham, Philadelphia, 3;
Michael Bennett, Seattle, 2;
Cameron Jordan, New Orleans, 2;
Danielle Hunter, Minnesota, 2;
Cliff Avril, Seattle, 2;
Everon Griffen, Minnesota, 1;
Joey Bosa, San Diego, 1.
Aaron Donald, St. Louis, 47;
Damon Harrison, New York Giants 16;
Ndamukong Suh, Miami, 12;
Calais Campbell, Arizona, 7;
Gerald McCoy, Tampa Bay, 7;
Fletcher Cox, Philadelphia, 6;
Geno Atkins, Cincinnati, 5.
Aqib Talib, Denver, 27;
Marcus Peters, Kansas City, 23;
Janoris Jenkins, New York Giants, 17;
Malcolm Butler, New England, 8;
Casey Hayward, San Diego, 8;
Richard Sherman, Seattle, 7;
Xavier Rhodes, Minnesota, 5;
Chris Harris Jr., Denver, 4;
Dominique-Rodgers-Cromartie, New York Giants, 1.
Landon Collins, New York Giants, 47;
So wait? Vernon has been all this for Miami in 16'???
Relax, it's a typo. Big deal. Just copied and pasted from the article.