You don't win the award if you're the one that created the fire.
Jon Robinson of the Titans, Reggie McKenzie of the Raiders are more deserving. The Titans are in prime position to go to a new level with all the draft picks they have all thanks to Jon Robinson.
You don't win the award if you're the one that created the fire.
Jon Robinson of the Titans, Reggie McKenzie of the Raiders are more deserving. The Titans are in prime position to go to a new level with all the draft picks they have all thanks to Jon Robinson.
Reggie McKenzie has been GM of the Raiders since 2012. Nice try.
Some of you are fucking ridiculous. You'd rather slap your own face than give Reese the credit he deserves. The guy's a great football executive. Period.
Raiders were 7 - 9 in 2015 and went to 12 - 4 in 2016, Giants were 6 - 10 in 2015 and went to 11 - 5 in 2016.
Raiders spent a lot on their OL (Osemele and Penn) and spent on their D (Irvin, Nelson).
both teams are the same seed (#5)
No clue why Mckenzie deserves the award more than Reese.
I think you could argue Jerry Jones does with the draft they had, plus the losses to injury/suspension they persevered (plus and minus for the GM), but you could say he had a better year.
When a team loses their franchise QB in the pre-season and goes 13 - 3 with a just drafted 4th round pick, the coach and GM deserve credit. Plus Jones put an emphasis on the OL and it's worked so far (in the regular season).
I've been as critical of Reese as the next buy. That being said, this was by far his best offseason as GM. It's almost legendary. He signed 3 players who became first time ALL PROS right away!
Add in the draft, with all these rookies playing significant roles, he absolutely deserves Exec of the year.
"No clue"? Getting a disaster franchise to its first playoff game
Since 2001 has to be worth something. The raiders are coming from a far lower place than the Giants are. Theyve got a good mix of homegrown talent and smart free agency work that's been put into place since he got there. There would be nothing wrong if he won it.
has done a wonderful job with the defense, but in evaluating his performance, he must be criticized harshly for his neglect on the offensive end to help Eli in the passing game.
I can't criticize him for the offensive line because he has invested high draft picks into it for a few years now, and I like the pick. He lost both of his fullbacks pre-season so I give him a pass on that.
But how in the world do we go into the season with such small receivers? Eli has been a QB for 2004 and since then, he has had the same passing style. He makes his pre-snap reads, he likes to throw to spots, and he expects his receivers to win the match-ups. He is also prone to throwing a high ball and he often makes more aggressive throws rather than take a sack.
So how do we go into the season where Victor Cruz is the tallest receiver on the entire roster at 6'0, 204? Odell is a special talent who receives a ton of defensive attention, but we don't have a single other receiver on the team who can win jump balls, box out, or expand a catch radius for Eli.
Making matters worse, giant Giant Cruz has missed two years, was a complete gamble to be a factor, and is playing on the outside where he struggled even when he was in his prime.
Making matters worse, we are undersized at tight end as well. He knew what the deal is with Donnell-- atrocious blocker, somersaulter, careless with the football. And Jerrell Adams, while potentially a big target for us is a rookie learning pass protection, meaning that our starting tight end is Will Tye at 6'2. Given our pass protection issues, Reese should have known that Tye would be the eventual starter.
I like Reese, love what he did with the defense, thinks he was crippled by an historic five year stretch of injuries, but he completely blew it when it came to establishing our passing offense for this season.
As much as I loathed Rueben Randle for quitting on routes and running bad routes, not coming back to the ball, and not knowing how to get any YAC, at least he was a bigger body who could at times box out his man and get positioning to make a completion and closer to a first down.
He has the reputation and how many times can an executive have this kind of turnaround after the owner said his job is on the line.
It'll be a long time before Reese is on the firing line again and I am glad. He can set us up for two more great decades of football as far as I am concerned.
Since 2001 has to be worth something. The raiders are coming from a far lower place than the Giants are. Theyve got a good mix of homegrown talent and smart free agency work that's been put into place since he got there. There would be nothing wrong if he won it.
this is McKenzie's 5th year.
5 years ago Reese was coming off a Super Bowl win. It's not really uncommon for teams coming off a SB win to experience a down turn.
Add to that Reese's teams have been the league leader in injuries 3 of the 5 seasons I don't see any reason McKenzie deserves the award more than Reese, regardless of the Raiders history from 2001 - 2012 before McKenzie was there.
but as I mentioned I think Jones has a strong case for it and Dimitroff does as well. And I think so does Belichick if he qualifies. 4 games without your starting QB, half a season of no gronkowski. trading away the pre-season two best players on D (Collins and Jones) and bringing in castoffs like Van Noy, Sheard, even Chris Long and having them flourish is at least partly on Belichick the GM.
has done a wonderful job with the defense, but in evaluating his performance, he must be criticized harshly for his neglect on the offensive end to help Eli in the passing game.
I can't criticize him for the offensive line because he has invested high draft picks into it for a few years now, and I like the pick. He lost both of his fullbacks pre-season so I give him a pass on that.
But how in the world do we go into the season with such small receivers? Eli has been a QB for 2004 and since then, he has had the same passing style. He makes his pre-snap reads, he likes to throw to spots, and he expects his receivers to win the match-ups. He is also prone to throwing a high ball and he often makes more aggressive throws rather than take a sack.
So how do we go into the season where Victor Cruz is the tallest receiver on the entire roster at 6'0, 204? Odell is a special talent who receives a ton of defensive attention, but we don't have a single other receiver on the team who can win jump balls, box out, or expand a catch radius for Eli.
Making matters worse, giant Giant Cruz has missed two years, was a complete gamble to be a factor, and is playing on the outside where he struggled even when he was in his prime.
Making matters worse, we are undersized at tight end as well. He knew what the deal is with Donnell-- atrocious blocker, somersaulter, careless with the football. And Jerrell Adams, while potentially a big target for us is a rookie learning pass protection, meaning that our starting tight end is Will Tye at 6'2. Given our pass protection issues, Reese should have known that Tye would be the eventual starter.
I like Reese, love what he did with the defense, thinks he was crippled by an historic five year stretch of injuries, but he completely blew it when it came to establishing our passing offense for this season.
As much as I loathed Rueben Randle for quitting on routes and running bad routes, not coming back to the ball, and not knowing how to get any YAC, at least he was a bigger body who could at times box out his man and get positioning to make a completion and closer to a first down.
I hear you, but speaking 20-20, I can't recall ONE poster who felt the lack of height would be problematical this year re our wideouts..Not ONE..If you did, then I certainly missed it..
You don't win the award if you're the one that created the fire.
Jon Robinson of the Titans, Reggie McKenzie of the Raiders are more deserving. The Titans are in prime position to go to a new level with all the draft picks they have all thanks to Jon Robinson.
Reggie McKenzie has been GM of the Raiders since 2012. Nice try.
Some of you are fucking ridiculous. You'd rather slap your own face than give Reese the credit he deserves. The guy's a great football executive. Period.
It's also ridiculous since Reese isn't the only reason our team was what it was the past few years. I still don't understand why he gets infinitely more blame than the coaching staff or the players themselves (a few who regressed this year which I guess is the GM's fault).
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't win, but the constant effort to discredit anything Reese does is pathetic.
you're right. Many people weren't talking about it, and I never brought it up. But I also don't spend nearly the time evaluating the Giants as our GM should.
I think people were so happy to see Randle gone and just assumed that a new receiver (Shepard) and gettign Cruz back would automatically make us better.
It was staring us in the face. Reese, McAdoo, and SUllivan should have ALL been thinking about the need for a big target, especially given how well he did with Plax and how poor the Oline has been for years.
you're right. Many people weren't talking about it, and I never brought it up. But I also don't spend nearly the time evaluating the Giants as our GM should.
I think people were so happy to see Randle gone and just assumed that a new receiver (Shepard) and gettign Cruz back would automatically make us better.
It was staring us in the face. Reese, McAdoo, and SUllivan should have ALL been thinking about the need for a big target, especially given how well he did with Plax and how poor the Oline has been for years.
I think now they know..😊
If they pass the Giants scrutiny (trouble-wise), I'd hope they'd consider a Britt or Jeffery..
You don't win the award if you're the one that created the fire.
Jon Robinson of the Titans, Reggie McKenzie of the Raiders are more deserving. The Titans are in prime position to go to a new level with all the draft picks they have all thanks to Jon Robinson.
Really? Both have done a good job but in comparison to Reese not even close IMO. Titans are home watching and they play in easily the worst division in football. Yeah they have lots of picks, and they have had lots of premium picks but they still can't win that "gimmie" of a division. McKenzie is closer I think but I wouldn't have him ahead of Stephen Jones in Dallas and definitely not ahead of our guy JR. No one in recent memory signed the top 3 overall free agents (they have proven to be the top 3) and we were all told how they were good players but not great players and how we gave them all too much money but each and everyone of them has proven in just year one that they are deserving of those contracts, unreal. And his recent draft success is as good as anyone the past 3-4 years. Reese got this.
for what he's done for the Raiders since taking over at GM - but at the same time, when you have a team that has so many top 100, and even top 5 draft selections in recent years, there should be the expectation of some success.
moral integrity factors into awards like this, but I'd personally be hesitant to honor the executive in Dallas that made the decision to sign guys like Greg Hardy, Rolando McClain and Randy Gregory.
You don't win the award if you're the one that created the fire.
Jon Robinson of the Titans, Reggie McKenzie of the Raiders are more deserving. The Titans are in prime position to go to a new level with all the draft picks they have all thanks to Jon Robinson.
Reggie McKenzie has been GM of the Raiders since 2012. Nice try.
Some of you are fucking ridiculous. You'd rather slap your own face than give Reese the credit he deserves. The guy's a great football executive. Period.
and look what he's done, he's built them into a contender
nice try
Paul makes a reasonable point about the receivers.
In hindsight, Michael Thomas would probably have been an even better pick than Sterling Shepard. Still, it's hard to fault a GM for a pick as good as Shepard, and I don't think many people expected Thomas to be this good this fast. Brees, Payton, and the Saints' insatiable need for points might have been factors. In any case, adding a bigger target in free agency would have helped. I don't remember clearly who the options were.
Here's another thought: the Giants fired a Hall of Fame coach and several of his acolytes and gambled on a young guy they believed in. We tend to regard Coughlin --> McAdoo as a Mara call, with Reese a bystander, grateful to have survived the purge. Whether that view is accurate or not - and I doubt it is - Executive of the Year voters may give Reese additional credit for turning around the defense and the team's record while selectively replacing key members of the staff, including the HC who got him two rings.
Coughlin aside, I would give JR EoY for firing Jerry Palmieri
We asolutely talked about height/frame being important
any on BBI were promoting drafting different WRs or goign after them in FA because of the size factor and how Eli also needs big targets and not just smurfs...
Jones and Sanu got a lot of money, and they are nobody's idea of special. Boldin is 100 years old and averaged under 9 yards a catch.
A waiver claim for Michael Floyd last month would have been a bold move. No way the Giants were going to touch him - especially at $1.2MM for three games and a possible 2018 comp pick. I'm sure everyone in the League except Belichick expected him to clear waivers. Might Reese have explored that option once Floyd was on the street? Probably not, but the skill set is a fit.
RE: We asolutely talked about height/frame being important
any on BBI were promoting drafting different WRs or goign after them in FA because of the size factor and how Eli also needs big targets and not just smurfs...
You might have been the only one. It shouldn't be hard around FA/draft time to find a link to any conversation on this. Not referring to a single post or two on it. Rather a comprehensive convo with many opinions..I'd appreciate a link, or else I'll have to stick to my original opinion about little if any discussion on this topic
He also had a great draft, in fact a great two drafts.
How many teams spend money and it doesn't work? Plus it wasn't just the money, it was the last few drafts too. Apple, Shepard, Perkins, Adams, and Thompson would have been good. Then Flowers, Collins, and Hart. Then Beckham, Richburg, Bromley, and Kennard. Pugh and Hankins before that.
All these guys made significant impacts (Thompson aside due to injury). Lets give credit where its due. If you are going to bash him for the years before so be it, but acknowledge his successes too.
RE: RE: We asolutely talked about height/frame being important
any on BBI were promoting drafting different WRs or goign after them in FA because of the size factor and how Eli also needs big targets and not just smurfs...
You might have been the only one. It shouldn't be hard around FA/draft time to find a link to any conversation on this. Not referring to a single post or two on it. Rather a comprehensive convo with many opinions..I'd appreciate a link, or else I'll have to stick to my original opinion about little if any discussion on this topic
Not sure how that came across. I'm not chris r-ing you..I absolutely have no recall
Jerry Jones, Belichick or Dimitroff have strong cases too.
2 Super Bowls and counting bitch
he's not officially the GM I don't think so he's a longshot, but he has a strong case IMO. I certainly wouldn't bet on him winning, but like I said...
Jon Robinson of the Titans, Reggie McKenzie of the Raiders are more deserving. The Titans are in prime position to go to a new level with all the draft picks they have all thanks to Jon Robinson.
Nope. Just because people are critical of their team when it is doing poorly does not mean they don't want it to do well.
McKenzie would have my vote as well
2 Super Bowls and counting bitch
But... but... David Baas! Marvin Austin! Adrien Robinson! Jerrel Jernigan! Ryan Nassib!
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there would be a meltdown by a bunch here
Nope. Just because people are critical of their team when it is doing poorly does not mean they don't want it to do well.
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
never understood that perspective. I don't get people wanting anyone affiliated with the team they root for to be unsuccessful.
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Every Giants fan should be thankful.
2 Super Bowls and counting bitch
But... but... David Baas! Marvin Austin! Adrien Robinson! Jerrel Jernigan! Ryan Nassib!
Hey David Baas was starting center on a Super Bowl champion
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Also has to be in the running.
McKenzie would have my vote as well
This is my guess at the winner.
Believe me, I've made that argument too, with little effect.
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there would be a meltdown by a bunch here
never understood that perspective. I don't get people wanting anyone affiliated with the team they root for to be unsuccessful.
No true fan would, but, unfortunately, we have proof
Jon Robinson of the Titans, Reggie McKenzie of the Raiders are more deserving. The Titans are in prime position to go to a new level with all the draft picks they have all thanks to Jon Robinson.
Reggie McKenzie has been GM of the Raiders since 2012. Nice try.
Some of you are fucking ridiculous. You'd rather slap your own face than give Reese the credit he deserves. The guy's a great football executive. Period.
Raiders were 7 - 9 in 2015 and went to 12 - 4 in 2016, Giants were 6 - 10 in 2015 and went to 11 - 5 in 2016.
Raiders spent a lot on their OL (Osemele and Penn) and spent on their D (Irvin, Nelson).
both teams are the same seed (#5)
No clue why Mckenzie deserves the award more than Reese.
I think you could argue Jerry Jones does with the draft they had, plus the losses to injury/suspension they persevered (plus and minus for the GM), but you could say he had a better year.
When a team loses their franchise QB in the pre-season and goes 13 - 3 with a just drafted 4th round pick, the coach and GM deserve credit. Plus Jones put an emphasis on the OL and it's worked so far (in the regular season).
Add in the draft, with all these rookies playing significant roles, he absolutely deserves Exec of the year.
I can't criticize him for the offensive line because he has invested high draft picks into it for a few years now, and I like the pick. He lost both of his fullbacks pre-season so I give him a pass on that.
But how in the world do we go into the season with such small receivers? Eli has been a QB for 2004 and since then, he has had the same passing style. He makes his pre-snap reads, he likes to throw to spots, and he expects his receivers to win the match-ups. He is also prone to throwing a high ball and he often makes more aggressive throws rather than take a sack.
So how do we go into the season where Victor Cruz is the tallest receiver on the entire roster at 6'0, 204? Odell is a special talent who receives a ton of defensive attention, but we don't have a single other receiver on the team who can win jump balls, box out, or expand a catch radius for Eli.
Making matters worse, giant Giant Cruz has missed two years, was a complete gamble to be a factor, and is playing on the outside where he struggled even when he was in his prime.
Making matters worse, we are undersized at tight end as well. He knew what the deal is with Donnell-- atrocious blocker, somersaulter, careless with the football. And Jerrell Adams, while potentially a big target for us is a rookie learning pass protection, meaning that our starting tight end is Will Tye at 6'2. Given our pass protection issues, Reese should have known that Tye would be the eventual starter.
I like Reese, love what he did with the defense, thinks he was crippled by an historic five year stretch of injuries, but he completely blew it when it came to establishing our passing offense for this season.
As much as I loathed Rueben Randle for quitting on routes and running bad routes, not coming back to the ball, and not knowing how to get any YAC, at least he was a bigger body who could at times box out his man and get positioning to make a completion and closer to a first down.
It'll be a long time before Reese is on the firing line again and I am glad. He can set us up for two more great decades of football as far as I am concerned.
this is McKenzie's 5th year.
5 years ago Reese was coming off a Super Bowl win. It's not really uncommon for teams coming off a SB win to experience a down turn.
Add to that Reese's teams have been the league leader in injuries 3 of the 5 seasons I don't see any reason McKenzie deserves the award more than Reese, regardless of the Raiders history from 2001 - 2012 before McKenzie was there.
but as I mentioned I think Jones has a strong case for it and Dimitroff does as well. And I think so does Belichick if he qualifies. 4 games without your starting QB, half a season of no gronkowski. trading away the pre-season two best players on D (Collins and Jones) and bringing in castoffs like Van Noy, Sheard, even Chris Long and having them flourish is at least partly on Belichick the GM.
I can't criticize him for the offensive line because he has invested high draft picks into it for a few years now, and I like the pick. He lost both of his fullbacks pre-season so I give him a pass on that.
But how in the world do we go into the season with such small receivers? Eli has been a QB for 2004 and since then, he has had the same passing style. He makes his pre-snap reads, he likes to throw to spots, and he expects his receivers to win the match-ups. He is also prone to throwing a high ball and he often makes more aggressive throws rather than take a sack.
So how do we go into the season where Victor Cruz is the tallest receiver on the entire roster at 6'0, 204? Odell is a special talent who receives a ton of defensive attention, but we don't have a single other receiver on the team who can win jump balls, box out, or expand a catch radius for Eli.
Making matters worse, giant Giant Cruz has missed two years, was a complete gamble to be a factor, and is playing on the outside where he struggled even when he was in his prime.
Making matters worse, we are undersized at tight end as well. He knew what the deal is with Donnell-- atrocious blocker, somersaulter, careless with the football. And Jerrell Adams, while potentially a big target for us is a rookie learning pass protection, meaning that our starting tight end is Will Tye at 6'2. Given our pass protection issues, Reese should have known that Tye would be the eventual starter.
I like Reese, love what he did with the defense, thinks he was crippled by an historic five year stretch of injuries, but he completely blew it when it came to establishing our passing offense for this season.
As much as I loathed Rueben Randle for quitting on routes and running bad routes, not coming back to the ball, and not knowing how to get any YAC, at least he was a bigger body who could at times box out his man and get positioning to make a completion and closer to a first down.
I hear you, but speaking 20-20, I can't recall ONE poster who felt the lack of height would be problematical this year re our wideouts..Not ONE..If you did, then I certainly missed it..
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You don't win the award if you're the one that created the fire.
Jon Robinson of the Titans, Reggie McKenzie of the Raiders are more deserving. The Titans are in prime position to go to a new level with all the draft picks they have all thanks to Jon Robinson.
Reggie McKenzie has been GM of the Raiders since 2012. Nice try.
Some of you are fucking ridiculous. You'd rather slap your own face than give Reese the credit he deserves. The guy's a great football executive. Period.
It's also ridiculous since Reese isn't the only reason our team was what it was the past few years. I still don't understand why he gets infinitely more blame than the coaching staff or the players themselves (a few who regressed this year which I guess is the GM's fault).
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't win, but the constant effort to discredit anything Reese does is pathetic.
I think people were so happy to see Randle gone and just assumed that a new receiver (Shepard) and gettign Cruz back would automatically make us better.
It was staring us in the face. Reese, McAdoo, and SUllivan should have ALL been thinking about the need for a big target, especially given how well he did with Plax and how poor the Oline has been for years.
I think people were so happy to see Randle gone and just assumed that a new receiver (Shepard) and gettign Cruz back would automatically make us better.
It was staring us in the face. Reese, McAdoo, and SUllivan should have ALL been thinking about the need for a big target, especially given how well he did with Plax and how poor the Oline has been for years.
I think now they know..😊
If they pass the Giants scrutiny (trouble-wise), I'd hope they'd consider a Britt or Jeffery..
Jon Robinson of the Titans, Reggie McKenzie of the Raiders are more deserving. The Titans are in prime position to go to a new level with all the draft picks they have all thanks to Jon Robinson.
Really? Both have done a good job but in comparison to Reese not even close IMO. Titans are home watching and they play in easily the worst division in football. Yeah they have lots of picks, and they have had lots of premium picks but they still can't win that "gimmie" of a division. McKenzie is closer I think but I wouldn't have him ahead of Stephen Jones in Dallas and definitely not ahead of our guy JR. No one in recent memory signed the top 3 overall free agents (they have proven to be the top 3) and we were all told how they were good players but not great players and how we gave them all too much money but each and everyone of them has proven in just year one that they are deserving of those contracts, unreal. And his recent draft success is as good as anyone the past 3-4 years. Reese got this.
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You don't win the award if you're the one that created the fire.
Jon Robinson of the Titans, Reggie McKenzie of the Raiders are more deserving. The Titans are in prime position to go to a new level with all the draft picks they have all thanks to Jon Robinson.
Reggie McKenzie has been GM of the Raiders since 2012. Nice try.
Some of you are fucking ridiculous. You'd rather slap your own face than give Reese the credit he deserves. The guy's a great football executive. Period.
and look what he's done, he's built them into a contender
nice try
Here's another thought: the Giants fired a Hall of Fame coach and several of his acolytes and gambled on a young guy they believed in. We tend to regard Coughlin --> McAdoo as a Mara call, with Reese a bystander, grateful to have survived the purge. Whether that view is accurate or not - and I doubt it is - Executive of the Year voters may give Reese additional credit for turning around the defense and the team's record while selectively replacing key members of the staff, including the HC who got him two rings.
Coughlin aside, I would give JR EoY for firing Jerry Palmieri
any on BBI were promoting drafting different WRs or goign after them in FA because of the size factor and how Eli also needs big targets and not just smurfs...
A waiver claim for Michael Floyd last month would have been a bold move. No way the Giants were going to touch him - especially at $1.2MM for three games and a possible 2018 comp pick. I'm sure everyone in the League except Belichick expected him to clear waivers. Might Reese have explored that option once Floyd was on the street? Probably not, but the skill set is a fit.
any on BBI were promoting drafting different WRs or goign after them in FA because of the size factor and how Eli also needs big targets and not just smurfs...
You might have been the only one. It shouldn't be hard around FA/draft time to find a link to any conversation on this. Not referring to a single post or two on it. Rather a comprehensive convo with many opinions..I'd appreciate a link, or else I'll have to stick to my original opinion about little if any discussion on this topic
How many teams spend money and it doesn't work? Plus it wasn't just the money, it was the last few drafts too. Apple, Shepard, Perkins, Adams, and Thompson would have been good. Then Flowers, Collins, and Hart. Then Beckham, Richburg, Bromley, and Kennard. Pugh and Hankins before that.
All these guys made significant impacts (Thompson aside due to injury). Lets give credit where its due. If you are going to bash him for the years before so be it, but acknowledge his successes too.
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for one of our starting WRs. M
any on BBI were promoting drafting different WRs or goign after them in FA because of the size factor and how Eli also needs big targets and not just smurfs...
You might have been the only one. It shouldn't be hard around FA/draft time to find a link to any conversation on this. Not referring to a single post or two on it. Rather a comprehensive convo with many opinions..I'd appreciate a link, or else I'll have to stick to my original opinion about little if any discussion on this topic
Not sure how that came across. I'm not chris r-ing you..I absolutely have no recall