while talking about the Raiders quarterback situation and a backup coming into a game. He referenced the players know who the starter should be. They where talking about having confidence if a quarterback goes down and he's replaced by a backup
Out of no where He says it's like when Eli came in for mebecause of his draft status not that he should be the starting quarterback? The comment what's off-topic why bring up his situation? He really is a bitter dude. Also stated he did not expect Eli to play well tomorrow made it sound like he's only good for a good play here and there in the playoffs like lucky play. Funny stuff.
@BrennanNeillVT Not in the least - pulling for ELI but have to analyze what I see & don't make stuff up!!
@kurt13warner The amount butthurt you still have over Eli is sad. Get over it Kurt. Someday. Please?
Didn't sit well with me.
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He had to unlearn that in Arizona for a while, before he started to play better.
Aaron Rodgers is guilty of that too.
@kurt13warner The amount butthurt you still have over Eli is sad. Get over it Kurt. Someday. Please?
Hahahaha... LOVE IT!!!
He had to unlearn that in Arizona for a while, before he started to play better.
You're right, I had forgotten about that problem he had. It really is odd the way Kurt Warner has always been an Eli hater.
If anyone had some grounds to be bitter it was Kerry Collins, and yet he's never said a peep about it as far as I know
A grocery bagger could get all the items in before Kurt gets the ball out.
Men of Christ can get caught up in their flesh Joey. God doesnt require perfection he simply asks for you to believe in what Jesus did for you on the cross.
He could have just said positive things about Green Bay defense or whatever. Clearly, he can't get over the past...
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Wouldn't a man of God or Jesus or whoever be more humble and forgiving instead of being a whiny cunt?
Men of Christ can get caught up in their flesh Joey. God doesnt require perfection he simply asks for you to believe in what Jesus did for you on the cross.
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that he played like a grocery bagger when not surrounded by nearly a dozen type HOFers.
A grocery bagger could get all the items in before Kurt gets the ball out.
Both of these posts were spot on!! Thanks I needed a good laugh!!
Coughlin put up with it as long as the team was in some semblance of contention. If Warner had beaten three utterly shitty teams (DET, CHI, and ARI, with Harrington, Krenzel and McCown at QB), the Giants would have been 8-1 and Coughlin wouldn't have had a decision to make.
Warner knew the deal when he signed here. He got a chance to revive his career and rehab his hand. The Giants got a seatwarmer. Maybe he should spread his bile among the other coaches who relegated him to backup duty: Dick Vermeil, Mike Martz, Dennis Green and Ken Whisenhunt. At least Coughlin benched him for a future Hall of Famer. He lost the other jobs to Trent Green, Marc Bulger, Josh McCown, and Matt Leinart
Or maybe Kurt Warner is a hypocritical bag of sh!t. Just an alternative hypothesis.
If anyone had some grounds to be bitter it was Kerry Collins, and yet he's never said a peep about it as far as I know
I thought Collins made it known he had no intention of keeping the seat warm and was released. Not sure why he'd be bitter.
Weird for Warner to be bitter about it. Also what does Connor Cook have to do with it?
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Wouldn't a man of God or Jesus or whoever be more humble and forgiving instead of being a whiny cunt?
Men of Christ can get caught up in their flesh Joey. God doesnt require perfection he simply asks for you to believe in what Jesus did for you on the cross.
Coach, completely understand what you're saying, but this FOOL does it over and over again and again!! Seems to me the FOOL can't shake the two demons, Pride and Envy!!
Yeah, Joey he has issues that have gone unresolved and I suspect the root has little to do with Eli. Warner is carrying a big bag of resentments.
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Wouldn't a man of God or Jesus or whoever be more humble and forgiving instead of being a whiny cunt?
Men of Christ can get caught up in their flesh Joey. God doesnt require perfection he simply asks for you to believe in what Jesus did for you on the cross.
Coach, completely understand what you're saying, but this FOOL does it over and over again and again!! Seems to me the FOOL can't shake the two demons, Pride and Envy!!
He likely came here with the belief and expectation of reestablishing himself as a great QB. His view likely was the coaching staff gave him a short leash. They quickly went with what they invested in and their master plan with Eli (to run their streak-read principal based offense architectured and master-minded by Coughlin.)
Warner had some trouble with the system as it was very complex and took a lot of sacks as a result of trying to get acclimated to the system. TC and company were chomping on the bit to start the Eli process when Kurt was struggling with it.
About Eli. I remember all the crap that was constantly being peddled here about how Warner was here to "tutor" Eli. I never understood that business, he was only a couple of years removed from winning a championship (the Rams had just run out of good players).
Peyton Manning didn't buy it and made his feelings known. (All while Eli paced the sidelines like a caged tiger).
In the meantime, Kurt was miserable working in Gilbride's offensive system (and it showed on the field, and the quickly yanked him). Knowing he still had some good football in him he went to the Cards and took them to the Super Bowl.
He harbors a deep resentment for the Giants and simply can't let it go.
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Wouldn't a man of God or Jesus or whoever be more humble and forgiving instead of being a whiny cunt?
Men of Christ can get caught up in their flesh Joey. God doesnt require perfection he simply asks for you to believe in what Jesus did for you on the cross.
Well, that excuses any sort of behavior, doesn't it.
It's really weird, his situation with Eli isn't the first time thats happened and won't be the last. Its a very obvious part of the business.
Thanks for the correction, sheloves ...
There's probably just a good chance he and Manning didn't get along or had some sort of personal issue that never was fully repaired and you see it still shine through when it won't be a PR dagger for him.
He has a legitimate right to be angry, he s a competitor and they took away a season. You guys say he s obbessive about this, the fact that it keeps coming up on this board makes the fans seem obbessive.
He has a legitimate right to be angry, he s a competitor and they took away a season. You guys say he s obbessive about this, the fact that it keeps coming up on this board makes the fans seem obbessive.
I would say that he is obsessed. The fact that it comes up all the times in his job and again now 12 years later on a topic that has nothing to do with it.
He has a legitimate right to be angry, he s a competitor and they took away a season. You guys say he s obbessive about this, the fact that it keeps coming up on this board makes the fans seem obbessive.
A) He knew the deal when he signed with the Giants. No one "took away a season" from him. If he had a more favorable situation available, he'd have taken it. He was always going to lose his job to Eli at some point; his own play determined when that happened.
B) While it's mathematically accurate that the Giants were "still in contention" when he got benched in favor of Eli, Coughlin obviously determined that it was in spite of Warner, not because of him, so he made a decision in the best interest of the franchise.
C) As far as I can tell, the only time anyone on this board brings up Warner is when he takes a shot at Eli, so it's only a reaction to KW's fixation.
D) Obsessive. One b.
I'm thinking, the team may have been less than honest with Warner. they probably told him"look, we know your getting a raw deal from the Rams, after all you've done for them" ...
"Come over here, we're real close (talent-wise), but just came off a bad year [due to injuries]; don't worry about the kid we just drafted, he's probably 3-4 years at best; in the mean-time help us get a bunch of rings !"
So he gets here, and they want him to be Eli's NFL "daddy"; Kurt stumbles and they go with "the future".
Guess I don't blame him for being pissed, but he needs to let it go and enjoy his ride into the HOF.
Remember when Kurt's "old lady" used to live on BBI hating on the Rams; they FULLY expected a lot of success for Warner here.
I'm thinking, the team may have been less than honest with Warner. they probably told him"look, we know your getting a raw deal from the Rams, after all you've done for them" ...
"Come over here, we're real close (talent-wise), but just came off a bad year [due to injuries]; don't worry about the kid we just drafted, he's probably 3-4 years at best; in the mean-time help us get a bunch of rings !"
So he gets here, and they want him to be Eli's NFL "daddy"; Kurt stumbles and they go with "the future".
Guess I don't blame him for being pissed, but he needs to let it go and enjoy his ride into the HOF.
Yeah, a lot of #1 overall picks who are the son and brother of excellent NFL QBs are 3-4 years away. I can't even fathom the Giants trying to sell that, but even accepting your suggestion, I would still say shame on KW if he bought it.
If you're a veteran FA QB who signs with a team that just took the #1 overall pick QB, it's your own fault if you don't realize that you're just a placeholder.
My point was I don t know why it bothers Giants fans.
Obbessive, you sure about 1 b. My auto correct gave me both choices.
My point was I don t know why it bothers Giants fans.
Obbessive, you sure about 1 b. My auto correct gave me both choices.
Yes, I'm sure that it only has one b. I'm also sure that autocorrect learns (and then suggests) repeatedly misspelled words :)
@BrennanNeillVT Not in the least - pulling for ELI but have to analyze what I see & don't make stuff up!!
My point was I don t know why it bothers Giants fans.
Obbessive, you sure about 1 b. My auto correct gave me both choices.
You've probably been spelling it incorrectly so long that your phone thinks it's a real word.
"Obbsessive" is not a word.
He has a legitimate right to be angry, he s a competitor and they took away a season. You guys say he s obbessive about this, the fact that it keeps coming up on this board makes the fans seem obbessive.
Nothing appears correct about your post.
#1 - Warner had issues for years protecting the football and his hand was questionable.
#2 - the team lost 3 out of 4 games
#3 - the Giants picked 4th overall and were floundering at 5-4. That's really not a contender for a team whose record was poor enough to be picking 4th overall
#4 - Eli was the top pick overall in the draft. At 5-4 you don't sit the guy when the team just lost 3 out of 4
#5 - fans are responding to Warner just as they respond to Tiki. The fans aren't initiating the comments so that's not obsession
It's just that the expectations and misunderstandings that were present when Kurt Warner was brought here resonate still today.
Like I've said before, there was a lot of excitement and anticipation about Eli, but many fans for sure (and probably the team) expected Kurt not only to be the placeholder but Eli's mentor.
In Kurt's mind, Im guessing that he felt the team was dishonest with him.
I'm thinking many fans don't understand Warner's frustration because it was clear to them (and unfortunately not Kurt) how short his leech was.
It's just that the expectations and misunderstandings that were present when Kurt Warner was brought here resonate still today.
Like I've said before, there was a lot of excitement and anticipation about Eli, but many fans for sure (and probably the team) expected Kurt not only to be the placeholder but Eli's mentor.
In Kurt's mind, Im guessing that he felt the team was dishonest with him.
I'm thinking many fans don't understand Warner's frustration because it was clear to them (and unfortunately not Kurt) how short his leech was.
Manny not saying we're obsessed, I'm saying Warner has to give it up!! He really looks like an ass how far he's taken this feud!!
He wasn't playing particularly good when he was benched. And that was before they began to face the Steelers, Ravens, and Redskins defenses - all whom were top 5.
Is that really true? I recall a winning record and we lost 2 games, Warner looking bad and we put in Eli and lost the remaining games, seemingly tossing the season to develop him. That guy won 2 SBs give it a rest.
His early years are vastly overstated as "bad". He threw 54 touchdowns in his first 3 seasons (39 games). He had one meltdown game against minnesota in '05 that accounted for 4 of his 17 INTs.
He started fumbling almost every time he got hit those last few games.
He has a legitimate right to be angry, he s a competitor and they took away a season. You guys say he s obbessive about this, the fact that it keeps coming up on this board makes the fans seem obbessive.
More insight from geniusinpa. He didnt have a legit right to be angry. When he got benched for Eli, he was playing TERRIBLY. If he has a gripe, its against Coughdawg. But to have a hang up about Eli who had a better arm, better release, better feel in the pocket than he did is fucking ass pain central. Eli was the future and Coughlin knew that Warner was not long for this team. He needed an offense where his decisions were made for him and Arizona gave him that just as st. Louis and Martz did before that. He was not as cerebral as Eli and the Giants offense was all Tiki by the time he was sat down for Eli.
He has no reason to be dogging Eli and it comes off as sour grapes. He has chosen a poor way of voicing his disagreement with the decision by targeting Eli and not Coughlin. Eli has proven to be a better qb and the decision was right. It also led to a resurgence of his own career. He should stay neutral and give Eli the credit hes due because he played a role in Eli's career. But he doesnt. Hes an envious, delusional cunt instead.
He was hoping to get a full good year in to increase his contract potential for his next team.
If he had any belief he'd be starting in NY for more than a year, he's a moron.
Eli was the future and the future was now.
It did. Warner might be bitter about the Eli situation, but he's a super nice guy off the field. Definitely one of the 5 nicest NFL players I've ever met.
mind when they went to Eli in 2004. I think Whisenhunt
is the guy who got him out of that habit in Arizona.
People sure talk about Warner a lot on here though.
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An amazing turn of events. Horrific pass.
Get over it Kurt. You were a stopgap.