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McAdoo schooled by McCarthy?

Reale01 : 1/8/2017 9:04 pm
The conservative game plan that works during the year does not work as well vs good teams in the playoff. Going into the game we were talking about long drives, running the ball. and not about scoring. We had GB on the ropes and our run run run, like we are up by 21 offense, let them back into the game with minimal damage.

Punting from the GB 38 on 4th and 2 is just one example.

Our last possession in the first half is another example. Run into the line, screen pass, run into the line. We were at our own 35. Why not act like we are trying to answer the Pack TD.

Three and out after the big 4th down stop with nothing threatening a first down.

Several times deep in our territory it looked like we were playing to punt - and maybe get a 1st down. We consistently gave them the ball at midfield. The defense cannot hold forever.

When the Packers took the lead they kept attacking. McCarthy knew when to press the advantage.

You cannot make a living winning 10-7. Hopefully we learned something. Eli was excellent today. We should have given him a better chance to win the game.

PS - I know about other causes: drops, bad calls, etc.. but did not see this mentioned.




twice  
SHO'NUFF : 1/8/2017 9:04 pm : link
this season
Yes, he was.  
area junc : 1/8/2017 9:06 pm : link
Just like the 1st time.
I can't say McCarthy "schooled" him when McCarthy's MORONIC  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/8/2017 9:06 pm : link
4th down decision allowed the Giants to get back in the game.

McAdoo didn't have a good game, however. Some of the player substitutions made no sense at all.
TC  
HoustonGiant : 1/8/2017 9:06 pm : link
Never got owned.
Before you give McCarhty too much credit,  
Chris L. : 1/8/2017 9:07 pm : link
his asinine move going for it on fourth and one got us back into the game. Also with Arron Rodgers at QB he should have more than one championship on his resume.
More the other way around  
HBart : 1/8/2017 9:07 pm : link
We had a fabulous gameplan and had them on their heels for 30 minutes. If we'd executed it we'd have had at least a 17 point lead at the half.
RE: TC  
David in LA : 1/8/2017 9:09 pm : link
In comment 13315348 HoustonGiant said:
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Never got owned.


Really? His track record against Philly, and first few postseason trips before 2007 would suggest otherwise.
RE: More the other way around  
Big Blue '56 : 1/8/2017 9:09 pm : link
In comment 13315355 HBart said:
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We had a fabulous gameplan and had them on their heels for 30 minutes. If we'd executed it we'd have had at least a 17 point lead at the half.


Yup and a Rodgers snippet in case you missed it:

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They punted the first five times they had the ball, Aaron Rodgers was having a hard time completing passes and he took some early sacks as the Giants went up 6-0. In a postgame interview with Erin Andrews of FOX Sports, Rodgers said that he was bad in the first half and credited the final play of the second quarter with turning things on for good

RE: RE: TC  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/8/2017 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13315364 David in LA said:
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Never got owned.



Really? His track record against Philly, and first few postseason trips before 2007 would suggest otherwise.


The Carolina playoff game was a complete and total abomination.
RE: More the other way around  
aimrocky : 1/8/2017 9:12 pm : link
In comment 13315355 HBart said:
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We had a fabulous gameplan and had them on their heels for 30 minutes. If we'd executed it we'd have had at least a 17 point lead at the half.


Agreed. This game snowballed. It started with drops(costing us a first down then points), then poor punts by Wing, leading to poor kick coverage, then all around poor special teams.

After the Hail Mary, the defense was the final straw to go down.
I dont think so  
JerrysKids : 1/8/2017 9:15 pm : link
McCarthy is a terrible game manager that has a all time great QB. going for it on 4th on his own 40 was incredibly stupid. McaDoo didn't drop 4 balls today.
Eli was ok but Rodgers was excellent  
joe48 : 1/8/2017 9:16 pm : link
Eli cannot put a team on his back like AR did today. That is excellence.
RE: RE: More the other way around  
Reale01 : 1/8/2017 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13315365 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13315355 HBart said:


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We had a fabulous gameplan and had them on their heels for 30 minutes. If we'd executed it we'd have had at least a 17 point lead at the half.



Yup and a Rodgers snippet in case you missed it:



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They punted the first five times they had the ball, Aaron Rodgers was having a hard time completing passes and he took some early sacks as the Giants went up 6-0. In a postgame interview with Erin Andrews of FOX Sports, Rodgers said that he was bad in the first half and credited the final play of the second quarter with turning things on for good

Why get it on the 35 and sit on it. They get it on the 35 and it leads to the Hail Mary. Not giving McCarthy credit - but he did attack on offense.

IMO you attack when you have momentum - especially on the road. Eli was hot and confident - today was the day to let him go. I think our play calling cooled hin down


McAdoo was out coached.  
Kulish29 : 1/8/2017 9:19 pm : link
But he also took a team that was sub .500 last year to the playoffs this year and, did so with a frustratingly mediocre offense.

Hopefully he learns from his mistakes and, this team's offense starts clicking again. I'm certainly excited for year two of Shepard and Perkins.
RE: RE: RE: More the other way around  
Reale01 : 1/8/2017 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13315399 Reale01 said:
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In comment 13315355 HBart said:


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We had a fabulous gameplan and had them on their heels for 30 minutes. If we'd executed it we'd have had at least a 17 point lead at the half.



Yup and a Rodgers snippet in case you missed it:



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They punted the first five times they had the ball, Aaron Rodgers was having a hard time completing passes and he took some early sacks as the Giants went up 6-0. In a postgame interview with Erin Andrews of FOX Sports, Rodgers said that he was bad in the first half and credited the final play of the second quarter with turning things on for good

Why get it on the 35 and sit on it. They get it on the 35 and it leads to the Hail Mary. Not giving McCarthy credit - but he did attack on offense.

IMO you attack when you have momentum - especially on the road. Eli was hot and confident - today was the day to let him go. I think our play calling cooled hin down





Why get it on the 35 and sit on it. They get it on the 35 and it leads to the Hail Mary. Not giving McCarthy credit - but he did attack on offense.

IMO you attack when you have momentum - especially on the road. Eli was hot and confident - today was the day to let him go. I think our play calling cooled hin down
I just don't understand why we went away from the 1st qtr game plan  
montanagiant : 1/8/2017 9:19 pm : link
Up 6-0 and we are moving the ball at will, D is stifling anything they do in the 1st qtr and then it seems we went into the usual shell we do with a lead
RE: Eli was ok but Rodgers was excellent  
JCin332 : 1/8/2017 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13315394 joe48 said:
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Eli cannot put a team on his back like AR did today. That is excellence.


Oh you again...when you have 10 seconds to throw the ball and your receivers catch the ball you have an opportunity to put the team on your back...
You have it backwards  
Ron Johnson 30 : 1/8/2017 9:23 pm : link
But fans want simple solutions so run with it
it wasnt McAdoo  
Paulie Walnuts : 1/8/2017 9:23 pm : link
it was that kid
Thats an understatement..  
prdave73 : 1/8/2017 9:24 pm : link
Wasnt even close.. smh.
It was lack of execution  
slickwilly : 1/8/2017 9:28 pm : link
Don't even try to blame coaching on this one.
When you have an offensive line that gets no push  
Mike from Ohio : 1/8/2017 9:29 pm : link
and can't pass protect, you are limited in how aggressive you can be. He called a conservative game as he has all season because our offense is crippled by the poor line play.

This offense has one weapon outside of Eli, and that is OBJ. Once teams focus on shutting him down this team it hoping for turnovers and short fields to get points.
I think McCarthy got him on all 3 phases of the game  
SHO'NUFF : 1/8/2017 9:32 pm : link
including preparation, strategy and aggression. He learned nothing in all his years in Green Bay. Laugh all you want about the 4th down call, but I would like to see a little more of that from Mac. I cheered for nearly every time Mac went for it on 4th down (the one exception ended in a Shepard TD, IIRC).
RE: I just don't understand why we went away from the 1st qtr game plan  
Reale01 : 1/8/2017 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13315414 montanagiant said:
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Up 6-0 and we are moving the ball at will, D is stifling anything they do in the 1st qtr and then it seems we went into the usual shell we do with a lead


Exactly my point. Those of you jumping on the o-line did not watch most of the first half. We had some drops but you keep attacking. You don't go into a shell with a 6 point lead.
RE: Thats an understatement..  
Ron Johnson 30 : 1/8/2017 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13315453 prdave73 said:
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Wasnt even close.. smh.


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. I hope so
The single biggest factor as to why we got blown out in the 2nd half  
montanagiant : 1/8/2017 9:39 pm : link
Was the inability to sustain any kind of drives that would give the D a chance to rest. It's easy to look like a genius if the other teams is playing at 60% capacity. You could even boil it down further and point to losing DRC as another huge factor.

All we needed was a semblance of a running game and some catches on drop passes and that game was ours
Ur right  
Gazo827 : 1/8/2017 9:39 pm : link
I wrote about it a bunch already. DEF out coached. We came out nice, it seemed like he started to get conservative thinking the game will be exactly like all our other wins this year. Kinda ruined the flow. N in a blink were down 14-6. If we can only win one way, then this type of game was bound to happen. Championship teams can win in MANY different ways. Its like he hoped or expected things would play out like the 11 other games. I believe we had a chance to keep the flow n exploit their secondary n get out to a bigger lead b4 Rodgers got hot. N who knows what happens. Mayb the Packers D totally lose all their confidence. He coached to GB strengths. He gave their D confidence n momentum. Made them think they were better than what they are. U make those 3rd stringers FEEL like 3rd stringers. Cant be scared of a turnover, especially the way Eli was throwing at that time. I guess we created a formula for him by the way we played n won games this yr for him. Gotta make adjustments though with what u see n based on ur matchup.
Mac let the game come to him his path to victory this year.  
shelovesnycsports : 1/8/2017 9:40 pm : link
Funny because this week when he was interviewed by francessa he warned him that good coaches like Bill Belicheck and Bill Parcells never let the game come to them in the playoffs,trying to make the plays to steer the game towards them(Fake Punts,Trick Plays)in other words you have to take control of the game and force it you can't play conservative in the playoffs.
To be clear I like McAdoo  
Reale01 : 1/8/2017 9:41 pm : link
I hope he is not stubborn and that he learned something - really the main point. I think we would all consider TC and Parcells rather conservative - but both were less conservative and more aggressive in the playoffs.
To be clear I like McAdoo  
Reale01 : 1/8/2017 9:42 pm : link
I hope he is not stubborn and that he learned something - really the main point. I think we would all consider TC and Parcells rather conservative - but both were less conservative and more aggressive in the playoffs. You need to do that to beat the good teams.
RE: RE: I just don't understand why we went away from the 1st qtr game plan  
Ron Johnson 30 : 1/8/2017 9:44 pm : link
In comment 13315504 Reale01 said:
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Up 6-0 and we are moving the ball at will, D is stifling anything they do in the 1st qtr and then it seems we went into the usual shell we do with a lead



Exactly my point. Those of you jumping on the o-line did not watch most of the first half. We had some drops but you keep attacking. You don't go into a shell with a 6 point lead.


How did they go into a shell? That's ridiculous.
RE: The single biggest factor as to why we got blown out in the 2nd half  
shelovesnycsports : 1/8/2017 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13315533 montanagiant said:
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Was the inability to sustain any kind of drives that would give the D a chance to rest. It's easy to look like a genius if the other teams is playing at 60% capacity. You could even boil it down further and point to losing DRC as another huge factor.

All we needed was a semblance of a running game and some catches on drop passes and that game was ours

GreenBay adjusted to pick on sensabaugh and Wade. Spags did nothing to counter it. Green Bay's defense adjusted so we had to try to run it on the fronts they were showing.
RE: The single biggest factor as to why we got blown out in the 2nd half  
MetsAreBack : 1/8/2017 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13315533 montanagiant said:
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Was the inability to sustain any kind of drives that would give the D a chance to rest. It's easy to look like a genius if the other teams is playing at 60% capacity. You could even boil it down further and point to losing DRC as another huge factor.

All we needed was a semblance of a running game and some catches on drop passes and that game was ours


So DRC is an excuse but them losing their number 1 (and maybe best WR in football) is swept under rug?

I thought we showed up to a gun fight today with a butter knife. Offense needed to put up 27 today against a banged up not good to begin with defense and the scored 13. That's on coaching and the entire offense which to be frank sucked all year.
Plays were there to be made  
slickwilly : 1/8/2017 9:55 pm : link
I don't see how you blame lack of execution on the coaches in this one.
Should have called a TO  
gmenatlarge : 1/8/2017 11:05 pm : link
Before the Hail Mary to set the D, you knew it was coming and they made a rookie mistake! You shouldn't finish a half with TO's in the pocket
M'cAdoo schooled by McCarthy?'...  
Torrag : 1/8/2017 11:05 pm : link
...please. He tried to get us back in the game with that ridiculous 4th down attempt at his own 40 yard line. By far the worst call in this game.
RE: Should have called a TO  
shelovesnycsports : 1/8/2017 11:12 pm : link
In comment 13315940 gmenatlarge said:
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Before the Hail Mary to set the D, you knew it was coming and they made a rookie mistake! You shouldn't finish a half with TO's in the pocket

You dont call a time out before the other team try's for a Hail Mary.
It would give them a breather and time to substitute.
He played the first half....  
Tesla : 1/8/2017 11:20 pm : link
like he was trying to win a 13-10 game. It was EXTREMELY unlikely we were going to hold GB's offense down the whole game. It was amazing that we even did it of a half a game.

I think in the 2nd half of the season he fell in love with our defense and started playing not to lose games on offense. Worked for a while but we were never winning a Super Bowl with that strategy.
The Packers were the better team  
Glover : 1/8/2017 11:36 pm : link
but with that said, Mac did a horrible job with the offense. There were a lot of other reasons, but he was a big part of it.
The best Giant was just as responsible, Beckham. When he was needed most he dropped passes and was all but a nonreactor.
RE: The Packers were the better team  
nicky43 : 1/9/2017 8:51 am : link
In comment 13316015 Glover said:
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but with that said, Mac did a horrible job with the offense. There were a lot of other reasons, but he was a big part of it.
The best Giant was just as responsible, Beckham. When he was needed most he dropped passes and was all but a nonreactor.


Couldn't agree more! Well stated!
McCarthy coached a good game.  
Section331 : 1/9/2017 9:13 am : link
Spread us out, and picked on Wade and Sensabaugh. Once DRC went down, Cobb and Adams had field days. The GB OL is SO much better than ours, especially at pass pro. Rodgers had all day in the 2nd half. We need to upgrade our OL this offseason.
RE: RE: Should have called a TO  
gmenatlarge : 1/10/2017 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13315961 shelovesnycsports said:
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Before the Hail Mary to set the D, you knew it was coming and they made a rookie mistake! You shouldn't finish a half with TO's in the pocket


You dont call a time out before the other team try's for a Hail Mary.
It would give them a breather and time to substitute.

You do when you have a rookie corner such as Apple, who just stood there, and they could have made their own subs to counter!
RE: I think McCarthy got him on all 3 phases of the game  
arcarsenal : 1/10/2017 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13315501 SHO'NUFF said:
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including preparation, strategy and aggression. He learned nothing in all his years in Green Bay. Laugh all you want about the 4th down call, but I would like to see a little more of that from Mac. I cheered for nearly every time Mac went for it on 4th down (the one exception ended in a Shepard TD, IIRC).


Did you not watch the Giants this year? McAdoo was VERY aggressive when it came to going for it on 4th downs.
It's McAdoo's fault that Beckham couldn't catch?  
Go Terps : 1/10/2017 12:41 pm : link
OK...
RE: TC  
djm : 1/10/2017 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13315348 HoustonGiant said:
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Never got owned.


Oh stop with this crap.
Stupid premise  
Joey in VA : 1/10/2017 12:45 pm : link
Stupider comments.
RE: He played the first half....  
djm : 1/10/2017 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13315977 Tesla said:
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like he was trying to win a 13-10 game. It was EXTREMELY unlikely we were going to hold GB's offense down the whole game. It was amazing that we even did it of a half a game.

I think in the 2nd half of the season he fell in love with our defense and started playing not to lose games on offense. Worked for a while but we were never winning a Super Bowl with that strategy.


This is flat out false. Watch the game again. The Giants took shots downfield throughout the first and second half. They didn't execute.

You guys are blinded by anger and frustration. The entire team, coaches included, failed but to put this all on playcalling is just nuts.
I thought  
Metnut : 1/10/2017 1:19 pm : link
he ran the ball too much instead of really trying to exploit GBs really weak secondary. I hated both punts in opposition territory (especially the one from the 35 yard line!).

That type of gameplan worked against Dallas but it basically demands perfection from the defense and it's not a recipe to win a lot of games IMO.

It's hard to argue with the results from Mcadoo's first season but I'm tempted to give more credit to Reese (for FA signings) and Spags than to McAdoo. Of course, the offense looked explosive in 2015-2016 and McAdoo had his hands all over it, so I'm excited to see how he adjusts for next season.
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