that had DIVA WRs...Owens when he was in Philly then Dallas, DeSean Jackson or Randy Moss when he was with various teams. Now we have one, a HUGE DIVA who right now is a complete DOLT!
I agree that the Miami trip did not contribute to yesterday...fact is OBJ choked yesterday, did not show up and his pre-game antics only add to this perception for me.
But the fact he does not understand the perception that comes from doing what he and the other idiot WRs did shows it is all about him. This will stay with him for a very long time and the fact he does not understand that shows his tremendous immaturity. You do not win in the NFL with wide receivers. Wide receivers are complimentary players...they are important, yes, but only to a certain extent as their ability to impact a game is minute compared to having a strong running game, a great offensive line and a star quarterback. We won two Super Bowls in the 80's with average wide receivers.
Someone in the Giants organization or in his family or someone needs to smarten this guy up, in a hurry. Right now, he is a dead weight on this franchise, even as good as he is. Punching a hole in the wall at Lambeau Field...what a clown...how about punching himself in the head as well as a few of his fellow wide receivers. Guys like this are infectious in an organization and not in a positive way.
OBJ is a great football player, no doubt, but we can win without him...he is not critical to our success. The sooner he gets that the better or it is time to move on.
He drops a ton of passes and just imagine his stats if he could fix that weakness. He doesn't see that he has a weakness. He puts himself on the same pedestal as us fans and therefore doesn't think he needs to improve. I can only guess how much this kid must hate practice.
never won shit
Unfortunately, Shepard had a case of the dropsies as well and that's pretty much where our WRs end.
Beckham definitely needs some help - in the form of another receiving threat or two.
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Who's this 'we' you're talking about? Both of those guys belong in the HoF.
never won shit
And?
If TO didn't have Donovan McHeavo throwing him the ball, that Philly trophy case wouldn't be empty.
Moss came an epic NYG drive downfield short of a ring.
Larry Fitzgerald will retire without a ring too - does he magically suck now?
Some of you people need to change your panties and get a fucking grip.
Beckham is a better version of Desean Jackson with anger issues.
As giant fans we get lulled into this thought process like we are some uber classy team. We used to be but the genetation caught up to us.
As giant fans we get lulled into this thought process like we are some uber classy team. We used to be but the genetation caught up to us.
What the fuck does this have to do with *anything*?
Beckham is a better version of Desean Jackson with anger issues.
As giant fans we get lulled into this thought process like we are some uber classy team. We used to be but the genetation caught up to us.
thank god you don't run this football team. He isn't getting traded. Period. End of story.
With no young QB worth going after, I'm not sure any return is worth it.
He had to up the stupidity level and talk about what lousy WRs TO and Randy Moss were.
Please feel free to add any great WR who never won a ring to the list. You know who else sucked? Dan Marino. He was all about himself and those fucking Isotoner gloves.
Besides, Diva WRs call out their teammates, throw their QB under the bus, blow up in press conferences, only run routes they want to run, and take plays off. OBJ does none of those things. Yes he needs to keep his emotions in check, but he is the best player on the team, and by all accounts is about team success as much as his own. I wish we had three more of him.
You build a football team from the lines out and, in that sense, Reese has done a terrible job. Spending $200M on fixing some problems is not how a good GM is valued. A good GM builds the foundation first...we've done the reverse and are still paying for bad draft picks like Ereck Flowers.
Perhaps my anger is more with Reese than Beckham and the fact many today are thinking Reese is a great GM.
Is he perfect? No. Is he going to catch every ball thrown his way, no.
But he is one of the top 10 players in all of the NFL, and the NYG are lucky to have him.
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Who's this 'we' you're talking about? Both of those guys belong in the HoF.
never won shit
And?
If TO didn't have Donovan McHeavo throwing him the ball, that Philly trophy case wouldn't be empty.
Moss came an epic NYG drive downfield short of a ring.
Larry Fitzgerald will retire without a ring too - does he magically suck now?
Some of you people need to change your panties and get a fucking grip.
pissed off so ranting bit
Beckham sucked yesterday if you want to constantly draw attention and be the man you have to make the plays.
Good point, I love Fitzgerald
Beckham is a better version of Desean Jackson with anger issues.
As giant fans we get lulled into this thought process like we are some uber classy team. We used to be but the genetation caught up to us.
Limo, I'll take a better version of D-Jax all day long..He works really hard by all indications..What he does with the media is his business as long as it doesn't detract from his production..Doesn't he have the best 3 year start (less the first 4 games of his career he missed) than any wideout ever?
Great players have shitty playoff games from time to time. We deal with it and move on..And, as an aside, the great receiver Antonio Brown will be 29..OBJ has 4-5(?) years on him..Years he can become even better
Is he perfect? No. Is he going to catch every ball thrown his way, no.
But he is one of the top 10 players in all of the NFL, and the NYG are lucky to have him.
will not be so lucky if he plays like this on the big stage
You want to be angry about it, go for it. Keep posting some stupid, rambling threads about how you didn't want Randy Moss on your team, go for broke. Just don't lump in anyone else, not everyone falls into that category.
OB is as talented a player as you'll find in the NFL. He's also 24 and learning how to be a complete pro, it tends to take time and plenty of growing pains, which have been since throughout this season.
What are the Giants sacrificing by having Beckham? He had a terrible game, but he is one of the best players in the game. the Patriots didn't lose because of Randy Moss, the Eagles only made the Super Bowl because of TO, Jerry Rice was a legend.
As bad as Beckham was yesterday, what you fail to notice was how he drew a double team on the majority of plays and how Green Bay's defense was entirely keyed in on taking Beckham away. Any singular player that has that effect is a HUGE weapon. The problem was that guys in position to take advantage of it (Sheppard and Cruz) did not. Sheppard had equally bad drops, and Cruz is an absolute nonfactor who shouldn't be on the field next year.
You build a football team from the lines out and, in that sense, Reese has done a terrible job. Spending $200M on fixing some problems is not how a good GM is valued. A good GM builds the foundation first...we've done the reverse and are still paying for bad draft picks like Ereck Flowers.
Perhaps my anger is more with Reese than Beckham and the fact many today are thinking Reese is a great GM.
I agree with you. Star WRs do not win championships. QBs, Pass Rushers, and OL do. But all that said, it makes life a lot easier. See Rice, Irvin, Plaxico, Cruz/Nicks. the list goes on. Can't do it by themselves surely, but it makes a big difference.
He dropped two passes early that would have changed the game.
He knows it too which is why I assume he's so mad.
It was his first playoff game... gimmie a break
Remember Eli's first playoff game? or countless other Giant greats? Get some perspective.
Oh, and this isn't the 80s anymore, the rules are much different, it's a passing league, a passing game... those 80s teams were built much differently and were built to run, and could run.
but dead weight???? without him the giants were a 6-10 team this year. he has busted through the nfl record book in his first three seasons with very little surrounding talent.
I like that he is passionate and angry after losing. would rather have 52 guys with beckhams heart than 52 guys who are indifferent after a loss.
he was able to improve this season at not taking the bait of norman and others trying to draw 15 yard penalties. now he needs to focus on the basics (i.e. catching it).
we are very close to returning to the super bowl again - we need to shore up the offensive line and give eli a legitimate pro tight end. beckham is a key part of that equation.
This is a guy who got violently angry after the game yesterday. Was it because of the loss, or his own bad performance? Does it matter? Nobody can question his passion. Nobody can question his effort. Let me know when he starts taking plays off and then I'll call him a diva.
If you want to trade Beckham, then perhaps you would be happier rooting for another team who Beckham doesn't play for.
You build a football team from the lines out and, in that sense, Reese has done a terrible job. Spending $200M on fixing some problems is not how a good GM is valued. A good GM builds the foundation first...we've done the reverse and are still paying for bad draft picks like Ereck Flowers.
Perhaps my anger is more with Reese than Beckham and the fact many today are thinking Reese is a great GM.
You are the one who doesn't get it. Beckham IS our offense right now. This is a passing league. Did Green Bay win with defense and a running game yesterday? No. They threw the ball all over the field on us when they couldn't run.
Beckham is a huge part of this team going forward. To suggest he is a complementary or nice player to have is wildly clueless.
OB is as talented a player as you'll find in the NFL. He's also 24 and learning how to be a complete pro, it tends to take time and plenty of growing pains, which have been since throughout this season.
This
That said, I am starting to hate his dancing every fucking time the camera is on him.
So does hole in wall = diva or am I missing something?
Didn't TO try to kill himself and din't Moss come in the league after going to jail for a few days on battery charges and then later in life allegedly hit a woman?
Good grief you guys will try and buy into any theme that's put out there for you to flock to.
Beckham was bad, but he brought so much attention on himself from Green Bay's defense all game that is is just as much an indictment on Sheppard and Cruz taht they could not make plays with the way Eli was throwing the ball.
That said, I am starting to hate his dancing every fucking time the camera is on him.
It's the times..Cruz' salsa was cute, but grew old..Strahan's ballin' was rather embarrassing and so on..This is what is..I grew up with Players congratulating each other with pats on the butt and handing the ball to the official..Homer Jones was the first ever player to spike the ball in the end zone, iirc.
a) tell us how many playoff wins the Cowboys have with their vaunted OL?
b) go back and count the past two seasons final 4's and see how many 1st round OL are on each of them still with their original team. I can tell you, I've done it, I think it was 1, Nate Solder. This year you can add Eric Fisher (if the Chiefs make it to the final 4 and any Cowboys OL).
I'm not saying neglect the lines, and if someone were to say Reese neglected the lines too long and then was forced to address them I wouldn't argue, but today's Broncos, Patriots, Seahawks, Falcons, Chiefs, Steelers, etc. were NOT built from the lines out and they've been pretty successful the past couple seasons.
You are high on your own opinion. He is a fucking Diva. Actions speak louder than words.
Pretty much true, but he wasn't alone doing the no shirt routine around the league yesterday. Smacking walls after
the last two losses (in Philly too), needs to reign in his emotions, he has trouble with that still.
You can't have it both ways either, when you spend all this time on social media. The optics and the audio on the
boat show, weren't good. You have a celebrity with a joint
in his hand, and some woman heard talking about Adderall.
You hear someone say, 'I can't take that'. You have to presume that was one of the Giants, I don't think other celebrities care about Adderall!
When you stink up the place, unfortunately you are going to hear about it after a loss in the playoffs.
Been watching the Giants for nearly 60 years, and OBJ is the most talented offensive player they've ever had. He is too high strung, and a reflection of the look at me celebrity culture. But by all accounts he is a great competitor and hard worker. My guess is he will mature.
Perhaps my anger is more with Reese than Beckham and the fact many today are thinking Reese is a great GM.
You can be angry it hasn't worked out, but they clearly put a lot of emphasis on it.
Been watching the Giants for nearly 60 years, and OBJ is the most talented offensive player they've ever had. He is too high strung, and a reflection of the look at me celebrity culture. But by all accounts he is a great competitor and hard worker. My guess is he will mature.
Hey, we all know it's not 1959 anymore, thanks for informing us though. Been watching for 50+ years, JPP and Diehl may have used bad judgement. They don't however absolutely LOVE the attention, big damn difference.
OBJ is not a rookie, been here 3 years, really is time to grow up!
The Stupid is out in full force this morning.
Never ever fails.
Perhaps my anger is more with Reese than Beckham and the fact many today are thinking Reese is a great GM.
Are the Patriots built from the lines out?
Are the Seahawks built from the lines out?
Were the Broncos built from the lines out?
Were the Panthers built from the lines out?
Are the Chiefs built from the lines out?
Are the Falcons built from the lines out?
other than the Cowboys what team that has had success did it by building from the lines out?
You are dealing with anachronisms, it's just not how successful teams are typically built today.
And by built I mean premium draft choices and large FA signings.
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You build a football team from the lines out and, in that sense, Reese has done a terrible job. Spending $200M on fixing some problems is not how a good GM is valued. A good GM builds the foundation first...we've done the reverse and are still paying for bad draft picks like Ereck Flowers.
Perhaps my anger is more with Reese than Beckham and the fact many today are thinking Reese is a great GM.
Are the Patriots built from the lines out?
Are the Seahawks built from the lines out?
Were the Broncos built from the lines out?
Were the Panthers built from the lines out?
Are the Chiefs built from the lines out?
Are the Falcons built from the lines out?
other than the Cowboys what team that has had success did it by building from the lines out?
You are dealing with anachronisms, it's just not how successful teams are typically built today.
And by built I mean premium draft choices and large FA signings.
ah, those teams are built from the lines out.
Hopefully we'll have a quarterback in the future to good enough to get him the ball but we won't have a QB as good as the current one, that's for sure.
This team needs a veteran leader for the receiving corps someone like an Anquan Boldin who is a physical presence and can still get it done while showing these young kids how to be professionals with a singular focus of winning.
Agree. Beckham is a 22-23 year-old-kid with enormous talent and concomitant will to win. Immature? You betcha. But let's not paint him with the "T.O." brush. I was concerned he'd get too jacked up emotionally for his first playoff game and that, not the stupid boat B.S., might have been a factor in his performance yesterday. And in addition to Randy Moss there are numerous examples of great players who didn't light it up in their first playoff games, including our two-time SB MVP quarterback. My advice to the world is to get of this kid's back and let him grow into his role and standing as an NFL superstar.
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we should have traded him last year when his stock was higher. i still think we should trade him now because the headache isn't worth the talent. get a 1st round and 3rd round draft pick for him and let him be someone else's problem.
The Stupid is out in full force this morning.
Never ever fails.
Going by his logic, the Giants should have traded Eli after his first ever playoff game against the Panthers.
Christ this offseason is going to be unbearable here.