...doing it with seven and a half fingers" per Garofalo on Twitter
Pierre-Paul has played a full season once in the last 4 years. As good as he is, there's definitely a certain point ($$ amount) where he isn't worth it. Even with an overall solid season, his best game was another state booster against one of the worst teams in the NFL (Browns 3 sacks and TD). When he hits the open market with a career threatening injury behind him JPP will look to cash in big time as finanical security is very important to him and his family as they come from an impoverish background and cannot risk another chance to hit the guaranteed money lottery.
All 16 games count equally anyway, all of these plays made go to the same place, your team's overall record.
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Given his injury history, I would be wary of giving him a big contract.
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I'm glad you're not in the FO. You had an axe to grind with JPP and were upset we brought him back IRC.
Definitely would not overpay for him...we've had enough of guys who can't stay healthy. OV did not miss one game this year and played with a broken hand.
Stay healthy and be happy to pay but history says otherwise.
Geezus, that was his idiotic fault. Time to say goodbye...pay Hankins and get one of the dudes from the Jets.
See ya.
What has Hankins done to get at snacks level? Snacks was the best run stuffing DT for 2 years before he became a giant.. according to PFF.. Hankins I don't think has ever been a top 5..
He was the difference in the Dallas game in week 1. He got instant pressure on the QB on passing downs in the 4th QTR.
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Yes, given his injury history, don't break the bank or else we let him walks..He said he wouldn't sign the FA tag according to info on another thread..
I'm glad you're not in the FO. You had an axe to grind with JPP and were upset we brought him back IRC.
Enough with that mantra already? If he can be re-signed at a non break the bank dollars, you do it..He said he would not sign a tag..So what exactly am I saying that bothers you? He played better than many OF US expected. Fine, now what? What do you give an almost 29 year-old with an injury history? Tell me. Go on record. For me, I can't be any clearer than on this post
See ya.
Why do you say that Sy?
That said, we kind of need him. Our 4 man pass rush generally sucks ass without him.
Okwara can play. I'm fine going into 2017 with him and hoping that Vernon improves as a pass rusher after a year here + no injured hand.
And someone needs to tell JPP that the 7.5 fingers isn't something that just happened to him. He shouldn't be using it as a selling point.
And someone needs to tell JPP that the 7.5 fingers isn't something that just happened to him. He shouldn't be using it as a selling point.
Yeah, seriously. He thinks he's Jim Abbott.
The problem is OV got $85 million ($52 guaranteed). Is he going to be ok with being the second highest paid DE? If you put a huge amount up front and guaranteed, maybe he will.
The Giants would be dicks to franchise him again. Sign him longterm or let him go. Re-signing him is the obvious move.
10 million a year for him would likely be a huge steal on the open market. A lot of teams are flush with cap space and a 28 year old pass rusher who also stuffs the run consistently is a hot commodity.
For all the people here who say I would not overpay for him, what exactly would you pay for him, while keeping in mind the following:
M. Williams, J. Odreck, V. Curry & E. Griffen are all making over 8.5M. R. Quinn is making 14M per year and has about as many tackles as games played the last 2 years. JPP is a better player than all of them
I agree. Honestly if I was the GM I would try to negotiate early and worst case tag and trade him or just tag him.
I think it's very naive of us as fans to think other teams won't offer him the going rate (that the Giants set) for a young starting 4-3 DE who is a good pass rusher and a good run defender.
The willingness of people to gut this defense instead of improving it is puzzling. Resign JPP - you will NOT find ANY pass rusher or run stuffing DE better than him this offseason. Resign Hankins and Pugh.
Giants have cap room for a change, and a few veterans who's price will either be dramatically reduced or eliminated (Cruz, Jennings). Resign your core. He's 27, he played very well this year. He's proved it and deserves to get paid.
The willingness of people to gut this defense instead of improving it is puzzling. Resign JPP - you will NOT find ANY pass rusher or run stuffing DE better than him this offseason. Resign Hankins and Pugh.
Giants have cap room for a change, and a few veterans who's price will either be dramatically reduced or eliminated (Cruz, Jennings). Resign your core. He's 27, he played very well this year. He's proved it and deserves to get paid.
Don't know what other's mean by not breaking the bank, but for me, It means don't guarantee too much money
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I would show the door faster than JPP.
See ya.
Why do you say that Sy?
He's not close to being worth what he can get paid. Inefficient spending.
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healthy...this year he got hurt at the key moment of the season.
Definitely would not overpay for him...we've had enough of guys who can't stay healthy. OV did not miss one game this year and played with a broken hand.
Stay healthy and be happy to pay but history says otherwise.
We have a Broken Offense and one of the worst O-lines in
football where you gonna get the pass rush from ????
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would be a monumental mistake. Saying "don't break the bank for him" means nothing without establishing the terms you're shooting for.
The willingness of people to gut this defense instead of improving it is puzzling. Resign JPP - you will NOT find ANY pass rusher or run stuffing DE better than him this offseason. Resign Hankins and Pugh.
Giants have cap room for a change, and a few veterans who's price will either be dramatically reduced or eliminated (Cruz, Jennings). Resign your core. He's 27, he played very well this year. He's proved it and deserves to get paid.
Don't know what other's mean by not breaking the bank, but for me, It means don't guarantee too much money
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Yes, given his injury history, don't break the bank or else we let him walks..He said he wouldn't sign the FA tag according to info on another thread..
I'm glad you're not in the FO. You had an axe to grind with JPP and were upset we brought him back IRC.
Enough with that mantra already? If he can be re-signed at a non break the bank dollars, you do it..He said he would not sign a tag..So what exactly am I saying that bothers you? He played better than many OF US expected. Fine, now what? What do you give an almost 29 year-old with an injury history? Tell me. Go on record. For me, I can't be any clearer than on this post
To reach the peak in life, it is necessary to take risks. What is at stake is becoming a truly elite franchise for the first time since Parcells, since we know the team was never elite in 2007 and 2011, although their was much good about them.
How do you define "injury-prone"? JPP in his first five years with the Giants played in 80 of 85 games.
Big reward. Acceptable risk.
That claim is like expecting kudos for winning the world's tallest midget contest.
Is there a family out there where financial security is not considered important? I dont blame him. I also kind of found the 7.5 fingers line funny as i'm not sure why a team would pay extra for that unique trait.
Hope we sign him but if better value comes along this winter on the OL... the best run teams let good players walk when a number gets too high.
That's a lot of money. Just have to get the landslide of guaranteed money out of the way and rotate the stock. It's certainly not easy.
I'm Hankins first too. That wall of he and Snacks is something nice not to worry about.
I think given time he'd sign the contract. JPP may not be what he once was, but over the next four years he's still going to be a force to reckon with in this league. If he gets lazy or too inconsistent, or if the play of Okwara/others is good enough to make him expendable, they should be able to cut him after two years without too much pain.
He has proved that he can come back from the hand injury. He doesn't need to sign another prove it deal. He has proved it, and deserves a long term contract, and I truly hope the Giants are the ones that give it to him.
This defense MUST keep Hankins, JPP, and DRC (with all the rumors of him being cut). We are built to stop a modern offense, and I don't see why you gut the foundation and rebuild it instead of improving upon what have. Losing JPP is a massive set back, and FWIW, I think he's better than Vernon
it's a terrible football move. You re-sign him longterm or let him get paid somewhere else. he was told point blank he was on a prove it deal. to come back, dominate, and then get hit with the tag? That's bald-faced lying and not how the Giants do business. can't believe the word tag is even brought up, that would just be plain f#cked up. The Giants know that, this is more geared towards the fans and media who keep bringing it up as an option.
This notion of him not being worth the money is a joke - who are you getting to replace him.
Do people really think the team is better off paying a much lesser player 5M a year and letting the superior player walk.
They could do the 4 year at 50 and give him 33M (21M as signing bonus) guaranteed and he will have the highest guaranteed money per year basis and highest signing bonus for 4-3 DE. Totally doable
As long as it does not come at the expense of improving the offense. That would be a bad decision.
This notion of him not being worth the money is a joke - who are you getting to replace him.
Do people really think the team is better off paying a much lesser player 5M a year and letting the superior player walk.
They could do the 4 year at 50 and give him 33M (21M as signing bonus) guaranteed and he will have the highest guaranteed money per year basis and highest signing bonus for 4-3 DE. Totally doable
stretch, look at his injury history..Do you think that will improve? Forget the hand..Injury propensity has to be uppermost in the Giants' mind re committing to him long term..The hand dilemma has sailed; no longer an issue I would presume
This notion of him not being worth the money is a joke - who are you getting to replace him.
Do people really think the team is better off paying a much lesser player 5M a year and letting the superior player walk.
They could do the 4 year at 50 and give him 33M (21M as signing bonus) guaranteed and he will have the highest guaranteed money per year basis and highest signing bonus for 4-3 DE. Totally doable
I think your numbers are low personally. The only other free agent that comes close to JPP is Calais Campbell - who will be 31 at the start of the season.
Here are his previous numbers:
2016: 15.25 million
2015: 14.75 million
2014: 11.25 million
Even Michael Bennet (32 in Nov) averaged 10.5 a year over his 3 year deal.
JPP is getting paid.
THere's just as much risk in guaranteeing Hankins big dollars. He did next to nothing last season, and struggled with double teams. He's more effective, because he plays with Snacks. I'd love him back, but there's a threshold as to how much he gets paid.
Do people think that blowing up his hand was an injury that might recur? Well, he does have another hand that he could blow up.
Do people think that blowing up his hand was an injury that might recur? Well, he does have another hand that he could blow up.
In a bunch of those games he played, his back issues rendered him virtually useless..Credit to him for trying to play through it, but he was ineffective albeit he helped in that he drew double teams..
I usually don't put all that much stock in games played. Doesn't always tell the true and complete story, imv
I'm more concerned about that sports hernia injury and of course the back. Those injuries actually do matter. The hand is the least of our worries.
JPP hasn't been dominant since 2014 -- just good But with the history of missing games (aside from the hand), and his age, I don't see him getting 15+ mill from the Giants. It would have to be a creative, incentive-based contract.
So Torrag, would you consider me a dick if I franchised you for 17 mil?
How this plays out will have a major domino effect on our off season. The Giants can't just let him walk so they can be 'the nice guys'. That's not the world of pro sports.
JPP and his negotiators know that as well. There will be platforms laid out...Pierre Paul's camp will make it clear they won't sign or play under a tag. The Giants will make it clear they won't allow him to walk without significant compensation. Hopefully it ends with a multi year deal somewhere in the middle.
How this plays out will have a major domino effect on our off season. The Giants can't just let him walk so they can be 'the nice guys'. That's not the world of pro sports.
JPP and his negotiators know that as well. There will be platforms laid out...Pierre Paul's camp will make it clear they won't sign or play under a tag. The Giants will make it clear they won't allow him to walk without significant compensation. Hopefully it ends with a multi year deal somewhere in the middle.
JPP has zero leverage..You won't sign a tag? Cool..Sit out the year and get zilch..That would be as intelligent as carrying a truckload of fireworks..I mean, if you can't work out a deal, it is certainly understandable to give up 17 mil that would set you and your family up for several lifetimes..Makes sense..But, but, but, I'm worth.....