Around the 4-minute mark, he talks about the Giants and Eisen asks him about Miami. Mooch makes some pretty even-handed remarks about it, how the WRs left themselves open for criticism and they weren't preparing for the game on their off day along with saying that if the Giants won, we wouldn't be talking about this. You can listen to it.
One thing someone brought up was that on that Sunday, the Pats played in Miami and of course had the bye after. Did some of their guys stay down there to party and not come back? We'll never know, I suspect some did but maybe not under Belichick. Either way, the fact that our guys put it out there with the pictures as opposed to it being under the radar says a lot since we don't know where other players are partying. Mooch says we will hear about this for the entire offseason.
Steve Mariucci - (
New Window )
Quote:
And they're not supposed to have your tastes either.
I know a lot of guys in their 20s. None of them are Bieber fans.
The point is they're music acts mainly popular with young people. Someone old enough to cry 'get off my lawn' on a football message board probably doesn't and shouldn't see the appeal of partying with a bunch of famous music acts.
I don't know why people don't see the generational gap here. In the 60s parents who grew up in the 40s probably thought the beatles and stones were shit too.
Quote:
In comment 13318063 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
And they're not supposed to have your tastes either.
I know a lot of guys in their 20s. None of them are Bieber fans.
The point is they're music acts mainly popular with young people. Someone old enough to cry 'get off my lawn' on a football message board probably doesn't and shouldn't see the appeal of partying with a bunch of famous music acts.
I don't know why people don't see the generational gap here. In the 60s parents who grew up in the 40s probably thought the beatles and stones were shit too.
The guy's got like 84 million Facebook followers. I would guess most of those are under 30.
So yeah, definitely generational.
they get in a meanigless game the defense did the job
while apex predator acted like they were already in the
super bowl you have the entire off season to party till
ya puke I'm fucking pissed they all dropped passes then dissapperaed King again comes in gets open and contributes
they should have kept and develop Davis the only guy with
size . I don't get going with three smurphs and no TE's
Yup, the pics was the really stupid part
This.^^^. Also, there is such a thing as being TOO fired up. Being so amped that you are making mistakes which in turn makes you more nervous or angry and mistake prone. I know that's what happened with OBJ. He wanted so badly to put this team on his shoulders and explode on the big stage that he was making the rookie mistakes that he skipped over in 2014. Most of his drops came from trying to run before completing the catch. The same can be said for Shep and Apple as well. Mental mistakes when trying to play a perfect game instead of just doing what they do. They will learn from this and grow and in the next big game, they should be more relaxed. As long as we retain JPP AND big Hank, we should be back in next season.
Doesn't matter what we think, it's going to be brought up forever due to their poor performance, they had their Tony Romo/Acapulco moment!
IMO, the boat trip *did* affect them. Not the trip itself - it didn't wear them down or take away from preparation time, but it put them in the news cycle, and amplified the expectations on them to perform. Combined with it being his first playoff game, I truly believe (opinion, not fact) that they suffered under the microscope with the feeling that they had to perform due to the increased attention.
I'm not saying don't party, or don't relax or take a trip - just next time, be very cautious of how it'll be received, and how much time you'll be spending fending off comments and criticism.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
You're kidding right, the people talking about "it" are the problem now, LOL. They brought this on themselves, it was a stupid move and could have waited until AFTER they actually WON something, like maybe a playoff game!
Quote:
1) He's not.
2) Stupid shit happened on his watch, too. Stupid shit happens on pretty much every club.
Jeremy Shockey did stupid shit when Coughlin was the coach. It happens.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
I don't know how you could be further off base.
Simple facts here:
- OBJ is a very emotional guy
- Everything he does, right or wrong, is intensely scrutinized by the media
- He's basically 50% of our offense
It was his first playoff game. The pressure on him to perform was already intense. In the days leading up to the game, he takes that trip, and it's front page news. The sports news cycle eats it up, and his coach, his GM, his QB, his teammates and he himself have to take the podium and field questions about the trip and whether or not it was a distraction.
So take that pressure, and amplify it a bit, since he and everyone else knows that if he doesn't perform, the first statement out of anyone's mouth is going to be 'he shouldn't have been in Miami'.
Emotional guy playing in a high pressure game, increases pressure on himself to perform. If this sounds like a non-factor to you, great. This certainly doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
As I've said, I've defended OBJ plenty around here. I don't think he's a bad guy, or a selfish guy. I think he's a phenomenal asset, a good teammate and generally a good guy. He's never been in the news for doing anything bad, in a sport that seems to be literally littered with shitheads doing horrible things to people.
If I had the chance to advise him, though - I'd tell him to start being a lot more private. He's under the microscope, fair or not, and he's the kind of guy who wears his emotions on his sleeves. Don't fuel the machine that's going to put pressure on you and your teammates. Don't open yourself up to criticism for nonsense that has nothing to do with your performance on the field.
I guarantee you that Jerry Reese has had this conversation with him, whether you feel it was warranted or not.
Quote:
who know that the Miami trip didn't affect his performance but are voluntarily bringing up the trip to talk about the "optics" or the "perception" of it are the problem.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
You're kidding right, the people talking about "it" are the problem now, LOL. They brought this on themselves, it was a stupid move and could have waited until AFTER they actually WON something, like maybe a playoff game!
There's literally no good reason for people to care that they went out of town for their mandatory off day. None. It's not arguable.
So having to answer questions about Miami during the week is a distraction you bring on yourself. OBJ continues to bring attention to what he is doing. It goes against the definition of being a good teammate. No one on the team at this point is going to bad mouth ODB because he is valuable to the team but that does not give him the right to be a constant distraction with his antics. There are probably a number of vets on the team that are tired of his stuff.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
Of course it is but that does not detract from the fact that the media and fans of other teams are to milk it.
Quote:
In comment 13319456 PaulBlakeTSU said:
Quote:
who know that the Miami trip didn't affect his performance but are voluntarily bringing up the trip to talk about the "optics" or the "perception" of it are the problem.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
You're kidding right, the people talking about "it" are the problem now, LOL. They brought this on themselves, it was a stupid move and could have waited until AFTER they actually WON something, like maybe a playoff game!
There's literally no good reason for people to care that they went out of town for their mandatory off day. None. It's not arguable.
You can put your head in the sand about this all you want, it's still an issue with the media and will be brought up ad infinitum in years to come. To say it's not arguable is ridiculous go ask Romo if he would have thought twice about his Acapulco trip.
2) Stupid shit happened on his watch, too. Stupid shit happens on pretty much every club.
Raise your hand if any of the receivers on the boat were carrying a handgun with the safety off in the waistband of their pants.
They come off as extremely cocky and obnoxious -- even though they hardly were outstanding this year ..
I am most disappointed in Victor Cruz .. he should have known better and prevented them from making asses of themselves.
You can put your head in the sand about this all you want, it's still an issue with the media and will be brought up ad infinitum in years to come. To say it's not arguable is ridiculous go ask Romo if he would have thought twice about his Acapulco trip.
Just because something is an issue with the media doesn't mean it's an intelligent topic of conversation worthy of being explored. Tony Romo's trip was a conversation solely because he (and Dallas while he was there) could never win the big game. Well, that and because he was with Jessica Simpson. What have we learned as the Romo Era comes to an end? That Tony Romo couldn't win a big game if he vacationed in Cabo or Cleveland before, after, or during the season.
The idea that these guys shouldn't live their lives because of what the media might say is completely idiotic. If you don't win games, the media is going to say dumb shit anyway. We're fans, but we don't own these people.
Quote:
In comment 13319488 gmenatlarge said:
Quote:
In comment 13319456 PaulBlakeTSU said:
Quote:
who know that the Miami trip didn't affect his performance but are voluntarily bringing up the trip to talk about the "optics" or the "perception" of it are the problem.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
You're kidding right, the people talking about "it" are the problem now, LOL. They brought this on themselves, it was a stupid move and could have waited until AFTER they actually WON something, like maybe a playoff game!
There's literally no good reason for people to care that they went out of town for their mandatory off day. None. It's not arguable.
You can put your head in the sand about this all you want, it's still an issue with the media and will be brought up ad infinitum in years to come. To say it's not arguable is ridiculous go ask Romo if he would have thought twice about his Acapulco trip.
Who cares if it's an issue with the media. That's the problem, caring about the media. You know who didn't have an issue with it? His coach, who gave him permission to go.
If you think going out SIX DAYS before a game had anything to do with anything, you're lost.
Quote:
In comment 13319527 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
In comment 13319488 gmenatlarge said:
Quote:
In comment 13319456 PaulBlakeTSU said:
Quote:
who know that the Miami trip didn't affect his performance but are voluntarily bringing up the trip to talk about the "optics" or the "perception" of it are the problem.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
You're kidding right, the people talking about "it" are the problem now, LOL. They brought this on themselves, it was a stupid move and could have waited until AFTER they actually WON something, like maybe a playoff game!
There's literally no good reason for people to care that they went out of town for their mandatory off day. None. It's not arguable.
You can put your head in the sand about this all you want, it's still an issue with the media and will be brought up ad infinitum in years to come. To say it's not arguable is ridiculous go ask Romo if he would have thought twice about his Acapulco trip.
Who cares if it's an issue with the media. That's the problem, caring about the media. You know who didn't have an issue with it? His coach, who gave him permission to go.
If you think going out SIX DAYS before a game had anything to do with anything, you're lost.
You and shockey can act like big tough guys all you want, the fact is that two of the receivers spit the bit big time in the game SO whether you like it or not it WILL continue to be an issue! And what his coach says publicly and privately are two entirely different things I am sure he wasn't thrilled with the boat trip!
Quote:
who know that the Miami trip didn't affect his performance but are voluntarily bringing up the trip to talk about the "optics" or the "perception" of it are the problem.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
You're kidding right, the people talking about "it" are the problem now, LOL. They brought this on themselves, it was a stupid move and could have waited until AFTER they actually WON something, like maybe a playoff game!
WHy should he have waited? Please explain to me the relationship between Odell going to Miami and the Giants losing the playoff game.
I'll say it again. The people bringing up the Miami trip are the problem. It has absolutely nothing to do with his performance. So why even bring it up?
Why does the media continue to talk about it? Because they like to drum up tabloid-level gossip for drama-loving fans to eat up because that's what sells papers and draws eyeballs-- manufactured controversies and manufactured outrage in this 24/7 world.
People are acting as Beckham went to Miami on a practice day and said "I'm here because I don't need to practice" or that he showed up on Tuesday completely hungover and was sleeping all through film session and had to be reprimanded by the team.
It was his off-day. He used it to go and have fun. He then showed up to practice on the next day and was as locked in and as focused as he's ever been, according to Dwayne Harris.
This whole idea that it "looks bad" is meaningless. Looks bad to whom? To people who know that it was a non-factor? Well those people know it's irrelevant so those people shouldn't have any motivation to bring it up. To people who actually think he played poorly because he was in Miami? Those people have no evidence or basis for the claim so why is there any validity to their opinion?
And the whole notion "well he has to know that the entire media is going to be talking about it"... so what? The media is always looking to drum up controversy and salacious gossip. As long as that doesn't bother Beckham, then again, it doesn't matter at all.
The logic doesn't work, at all. All of this boat trip junk is moral finger wagging nonsense from resentful fans. The optic only matters to you if they lose a game. Nobody cares at all that the 2011 team went nuts the night before a super bowl, because they won. Which tells you how little it matters that a player would party a full week before a game while missing no time and missing no practices.
What, exactly, did they bring upon themselves? What is the message they are sending by having fun in Miami and taking a picture for social media in an age dominated by social media such that "selfie" is now a word used by every generation?
Is it that the media was going to talk about it incessantly? So what, they probably tune it out anyway. Plus, it's NY. The sports media is ALWAYS looking for a nonsense headline. If the players let every headline get to them, they would never be able to last in NY anway.
So what is it about the trip that bothers so many people? Is the implication that they don't care about winning? Is it that they are proclaiming that they already won the Super Bowl? Is it that they are going to stay in Miami all week and not prepare? Is it that they didn't give up their bargained-for day off to instead spend more time practicing?
The only thing they brought upon themselves were well-deserved jokes about their fashion choice and pose like it's a rap album cover.
The logic doesn't work, at all. All of this boat trip junk is moral finger wagging nonsense from resentful fans. The optic only matters to you if they lose a game. Nobody cares at all that the 2011 team went nuts the night before a super bowl, because they won. Which tells you how little it matters that a player would party a full week before a game while missing no time and missing no practices.
It's obvious you don't read what I post but just want to state your opinion, I never said that "it" was why they performed poorly only that they would hear about this forever until they perform well in the playoffs. If you think that's not the case you are deep in denial. And yes they brought it on themselves and will have to man up and endure the ongoing criticism. If you don't agree that's fine but this situation will not change until they have redeemed themselves on the big stage
What, exactly, did they bring upon themselves? What is the message they are sending by having fun in Miami and taking a picture for social media in an age dominated by social media such that "selfie" is now a word used by every generation?
Is it that the media was going to talk about it incessantly? So what, they probably tune it out anyway. Plus, it's NY. The sports media is ALWAYS looking for a nonsense headline. If the players let every headline get to them, they would never be able to last in NY anway.
So what is it about the trip that bothers so many people? Is the implication that they don't care about winning? Is it that they are proclaiming that they already won the Super Bowl? Is it that they are going to stay in Miami all week and not prepare? Is it that they didn't give up their bargained-for day off to instead spend more time practicing?
The only thing they brought upon themselves were well-deserved jokes about their fashion choice and pose like it's a rap album cover.
Here is what they brought on themselves:
When you shine the spotlight on yourself before the big show and say hey look at me (which is exactly what they did) and then proceed to come up small you are going to look like assholes. So there you go!
And one last time I am not saying that is why they came up small just why they won't stop hearing about "it"!
What does a popular athlete posting on social media have anything to do with needing to "come up big"? but you could say that any time anyone posts anything on any social media platform about themselves it's "look at me."
If he sent out a Snapchat to his followers of himself eating a delicious meal in front of his big screen TV on his off-day instead of a picture on a boat, would that require him to have to come up big and back that picture up? Why is that any less "look at me"?
The cognitive dissonance here is astounding.
That's what I'm getting at. Why are you talking about it? Why are people bringing it up. It's a complete non-factor with regard to his of the Giants' performance.
The media talk about it because it's clickbait, and the fools and suckers eat it up like they are watching Real Housewives and all that other manufactured crap.
But what's the excuse for people who know that there's no connection between the two events from continuing to judge the decision with no argument other than "people are talking about it."
What does a popular athlete posting on social media have anything to do with needing to "come up big"? but you could say that any time anyone posts anything on any social media platform about themselves it's "look at me."
If he sent out a Snapchat to his followers of himself eating a delicious meal in front of his big screen TV on his off-day instead of a picture on a boat, would that require him to have to come up big and back that picture up? Why is that any less "look at me"?
The cognitive dissonance here is astounding.
Paul, this is not like you or I posting on Social Media, this is a person who has to cultivate Social Media for the value in revenue it brings in. Once that hit ANY public media that becomes the copy of the internet and it's inevitable it would go viral.
Then they decide to double down on it (much like he did with the kicking net proposal) with the Shirts off warm-ups that they made sure went out to everyone. The media loves to break someone down, especially one that is constantly playing to them. They have no one to blame but themselves and it will be a price paid for years. Whether it's unfair or not, that is the fact. When you demand the spotlight you get it for good or bad
Drops the mike and walks off.....
End of story. You hit the proverbial nail on the head with a 5 lb hammer.
Any further discussion is a waste of time and breath.
If he ended up getting cold because of the lack of layers and couldn't catch because he was cold, then criticize him for that display (though who knows if sleeves would even change that).
It people want to criticize him for taking a stupid picture, go for it. He opened himself up to that type of scrutiny.
I'm not expressing shock that Beckham's social media posts were shared and went viral.
I'm asking what has to be "backed up" because he makes social media posts and what the Miami picture has anything to do with his poor performance. What was the Miami picture suggesting that required he back it up on the field?
Did he hold up a sign saying "I don't need to prepare" or make any guarantees from the boat of the stats he was going to put up?
There is literally no connection between going to Miami and his performance on the field. None.
Yet, somehow, there are all these suckers for gossip suggesting an attitude of "that's what you get for going to Miami."
The things you do before a game MATTER
the things you do before a big game MATTER MORE
the things you do before a playoff game MATTER THE MOST
Five years from now Beckham (when he has matured, much like his defenders) will look back on this and wish he had never gone on the stupid fucking boat trip!
Again it's not causal to his performance but he put himself in a bad light.
This mentality is part of the problem, though you aren't alone. You know it had no effect, so why are you perpetuating the notion and manufactured outrage that it did?
Why are you blaming Beckham for other people buying into the foolish notion that the Miami trip caused his performance, and not disabusing those people of their mistaken beliefs?
If he ended up getting cold because of the lack of layers and couldn't catch because he was cold, then criticize him for that display (though who knows if sleeves would even change that).
It people want to criticize him for taking a stupid picture, go for it. He opened himself up to that type of scrutiny.
I'm not expressing shock that Beckham's social media posts were shared and went viral.
I'm asking what has to be "backed up" because he makes social media posts and what the Miami picture has anything to do with his poor performance. What was the Miami picture suggesting that required he back it up on the field?
Did he hold up a sign saying "I don't need to prepare" or make any guarantees from the boat of the stats he was going to put up?
There is literally no connection between going to Miami and his performance on the field. None.
Yet, somehow, there are all these suckers for gossip suggesting an attitude of "that's what you get for going to Miami."
Once again I don't give a shit and I don't think them going to Miami had anything to do with their play. But to sit here and say the scrutiny they are getting for those actions is wrong is naive at best. This is what the media lives for this fuels their clicks. Is it stupid? Sure it is but its the reality we live in and it is something they should be aware of
This mentality is part of the problem, though you aren't alone. You know it had no effect, so why are you perpetuating the notion and manufactured outrage that it did?
Why are you blaming Beckham for other people buying into the foolish notion that the Miami trip caused his performance, and not disabusing those people of their mistaken beliefs?
Wake up and smell the java dude, the whole football world is laughing at beckham now. You gotta realize when you ask for the limelight you have to perform. Stop with the childish why/how mommy I didn't do anything wrong! It is what it is stop trying to blame me and others for what these guys did. They are men and responsible for their actions, take your lumps and move on already!
The answer to all of those things are "no." In fact, Beckham was praised for his work ethic and focus during the week. So I still fail to see what they have to own up to, or what they are responsible for, or what they brought upon themselves by doing something completely unrelated to football on their league-mandated day off.
The answer to all of those things are "no." In fact, Beckham was praised for his work ethic and focus during the week. So I still fail to see what they have to own up to, or what they are responsible for, or what they brought upon themselves by doing something completely unrelated to football on their league-mandated day off.
Man if you can't see it, I can't help you.
The scrutiny they are getting for something completely unrelated IS wrong. I'm aware that the media is going to drum up this nonsense so I'm not naive to it, but it doesn't make it any less wrong or stupid. The media do whatever they can to bait fools who live for the drama and scandal. Those people should be mocked for their tastes.
But I do agree that this is reality and the players should be aware that the media and other idiots are going to make a big deal just because it happened. But who says the players aren't aware of it? If the players don't care that the media will pull this crap and correctly view the media as haters and trolls looking to drum up controversy, then why should they stop their legal, harmless behavior that had no material effect on anyone else?
I'd argue that any athletes who live their lives completely based on "what would Skip Bayless say?" will have a very hard time enjoying their lives. That's a brutal insecurity.
But the argument writ large is not that these players can't believe that the media is talking about their boat trip. The argument is that there is no connection between the two things, that it's a non-story, and that players don't owe the "fans" anything just because they went to Miami and that they certainly don't need to "back it up" -- whatever the hell that means.
Remember when Tom Brady was made fun of for his haircut and wearing Uggs? I have no opinion on mocking him for it. But imagine someone ripping his poor play and bringing up the Uggs and haircut saying that he shouldn't have dressed like that and that it was "me me me" to dress like that, and stating "if you're going to style yourself like that, you have to back it up on the field." What do those two things have anything to do with each other?
1. You say that what he does before the game matters (in reference to his trip to Miami).
2. You then say that it had no effect on his performance.
So which is it: did it matter, or did it have no impact on his performance?
It can't be both. If you want to argue that it mattered and caused his bad performance, then make that uphill argument, but at least declare it and try to back it up with facts (that don't exist).
Instead, you resort to the idea that even though it didn't have an impact, it put him in a bad light.
So, you've built up your whole argument around the premise that what he did was bad because of what other uninformed people are going to think even though you acknowledge that his decision had no impact on his performance.
So what? Why should Beckham or anyone care what wrong people think about them?
If the "bad light" is shone by people intentionally shining a bad light, then who cares about the light?
You also repeat that if he's going to do this thing that didn't matter, then he has to back it up. I've asked you ad nauseum to explain what he has to back up but you can't seem to find an answer outside of running to the next cliche.
1. You say that what he does before the game matters (in reference to his trip to Miami).
2. You then say that it had no effect on his performance.
So which is it: did it matter, or did it have no impact on his performance?
do you just live to argue or what, NOBODY gives a shit about the trip IF you play well on Sunday, If you SUCK on Sunday then EVERYBODY is going to point to the unnecessary boat trip!
It can't be both. If you want to argue that it mattered and caused his bad performance, then make that uphill argument, but at least declare it and try to back it up with facts (that don't exist).
Instead, you resort to the idea that even though it didn't have an impact, it put him in a bad light.
So, you've built up your whole argument around the premise that what he did was bad because of what other uninformed people are going to think even though you acknowledge that his decision had no impact on his performance.
So what? Why should Beckham or anyone care what wrong people think about them?
If the "bad light" is shone by people intentionally shining a bad light, then who cares about the light?
You also repeat that if he's going to do this thing that didn't matter, then he has to back it up. I've asked you ad nauseum to explain what he has to back up but you can't seem to find an answer outside of running to the next cliche.
Quote:
you have offered nothing but irrelevant cliches
1. You say that what he does before the game matters (in reference to his trip to Miami).
2. You then say that it had no effect on his performance.
So which is it: did it matter, or did it have no impact on his performance?
do you just live to argue or what, NOBODY gives a shit about the trip IF you play well on Sunday, If you SUCK on Sunday then EVERYBODY is going to point to the unnecessary boat trip!
It can't be both. If you want to argue that it mattered and caused his bad performance, then make that uphill argument, but at least declare it and try to back it up with facts (that don't exist).
Instead, you resort to the idea that even though it didn't have an impact, it put him in a bad light.
So, you've built up your whole argument around the premise that what he did was bad because of what other uninformed people are going to think even though you acknowledge that his decision had no impact on his performance.
So what? Why should Beckham or anyone care what wrong people think about them?
If the "bad light" is shone by people intentionally shining a bad light, then who cares about the light?
You also repeat that if he's going to do this thing that didn't matter, then he has to back it up. I've asked you ad nauseum to explain what he has to back up but you can't seem to find an answer outside of running to the next cliche.
I guess you just get off on continual arguing the same shit. IF you play WELL on Sunday then nobody gives a shit about the stupid boat trip, IF you SUCK on Sunday then EVERYBODY will point to the stupid boat trip!!!!
We aren't getting anywhere and It seems we are done here. The "what will people think?" routine has worn thin.
We aren't getting anywhere and It seems we are done here. The "what will people think?" routine has worn thin.
you really think it's going to go away because YOU don't think it's an issue, you are kidding yourself.
We aren't getting anywhere and It seems we are done here. The "what will people think?" routine has worn thin.
I will take a stab at it. The minute they posted that pic they attracted media and public attention on them going there. The by-product of that attention was that it became a talking point, an angle to a story that would play out in a week. It allowed the media to be lazy, to take the easy way out and prop this story up for a week, for the pre-game shows to work it in. They became the story instead of the game.
By virtue of the fact that this was THE STORY for the week, it then becomes a distraction to their focus on the game. Does not mean they were wrong to go there, does not mean it affected them or caused the shitty game by them, but without-a-doubt it was indeed somewhat of a distraction
By virtue of the fact that this was THE STORY for the week, it then becomes a distraction to their focus on the game. Does not mean they were wrong to go there, does not mean it affected them or caused the shitty game by them, but without-a-doubt it was indeed somewhat of a distraction
Who cares that they got media attention? Beckham is a celebrity. He is going to get attention when he goes out no matter if he posts it himself or if others take pictures of him. So long as he doesn't break the law or harm others during his personal time, and so long as he is ready and prepared to go to work on his work time, then he can do whatever he wants.
There is no evidence that the team was distracted because of the trip. Having to answer a few questions during Q&A sessions does not automatically mean the team was distracted. It's not as if the media were running onto the field in the middle of drills or were barging into film sessions saying "we have to ask about Miami."
It seems like the entire argument boils down to the idea is that it was a distraction to fans who would rather only hear about the team preparing for the game instead of hearing about a stupid, meaningless trip.
I agree. I would much rather have heard about football related news than the Miami trip in the week leading up to the game and in the aftermath of the game. But my frustration with the terrible and lazy media coverage is not with Beckham, but with the media and with the fans-- the ones who are making it a story but know it's irrelevant.
Quote:
I will take a stab at it. The minute they posted that pic they attracted media and public attention on them going there. The by-product of that attention was that it became a talking point, an angle to a story that would play out in a week. It allowed the media to be lazy, to take the easy way out and prop this story up for a week, for the pre-game shows to work it in. They became the story instead of the game.
By virtue of the fact that this was THE STORY for the week, it then becomes a distraction to their focus on the game. Does not mean they were wrong to go there, does not mean it affected them or caused the shitty game by them, but without-a-doubt it was indeed somewhat of a distraction
Who cares that they got media attention? Beckham is a celebrity. He is going to get attention when he goes out no matter if he posts it himself or if others take pictures of him. So long as he doesn't break the law or harm others during his personal time, and so long as he is ready and prepared to go to work on his work time, then he can do whatever he wants.
There is no evidence that the team was distracted because of the trip. Having to answer a few questions during Q&A sessions does not automatically mean the team was distracted. It's not as if the media were running onto the field in the middle of drills or were barging into film sessions saying "we have to ask about Miami."
It seems like the entire argument boils down to the idea is that it was a distraction to fans who would rather only hear about the team preparing for the game instead of hearing about a stupid, meaningless trip.
I agree. I would much rather have heard about football related news than the Miami trip in the week leading up to the game and in the aftermath of the game. But my frustration with the terrible and lazy media coverage is not with Beckham, but with the media and with the fans-- the ones who are making it a story but know it's irrelevant.
And I don't have any doubt he was, its about the obvious fact that by virtue of the press hounding him some degree of distraction will undoubtedly come into play