Around the 4-minute mark, he talks about the Giants and Eisen asks him about Miami. Mooch makes some pretty even-handed remarks about it, how the WRs left themselves open for criticism and they weren't preparing for the game on their off day along with saying that if the Giants won, we wouldn't be talking about this. You can listen to it.
One thing someone brought up was that on that Sunday, the Pats played in Miami and of course had the bye after. Did some of their guys stay down there to party and not come back? We'll never know, I suspect some did but maybe not under Belichick. Either way, the fact that our guys put it out there with the pictures as opposed to it being under the radar says a lot since we don't know where other players are partying. Mooch says we will hear about this for the entire offseason.
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2) Broadcasting it for all to see.
They deserve all the criticism they are getting right now. Eli, as hard as I've been on him this season, raised it a level yesterday. Our WRs did not.
Relax man, it's not like the party was on your lawn.
OLD COACHES NEVER DIE".
2) Broadcasting it for all to see.
They deserve all the criticism they are getting right now. Eli, as hard as I've been on him this season, raised it a level yesterday. Our WRs did not.
1. Not to us. But, we're not uber rich and famous. They are and there's nothing wrong with them enjoying that.
2. We live in a 24 hour news cycle. Even if they didn't broadcast it, someone would have.
The players who performed poorly yesterday deserve to be called out for it. Criticizing them for their poor play and then blaming or even bringing up the boat nonsense is just lazy, sensationalized journalism.
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1) Thinking partying with Justin Bieber is "cool." It's not.
Relax man, it's not like the party was on your lawn.
Okay..?
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1) Thinking partying with Justin Bieber is "cool." It's not.
2) Broadcasting it for all to see.
They deserve all the criticism they are getting right now. Eli, as hard as I've been on him this season, raised it a level yesterday. Our WRs did not.
1. Not to us. But, we're not uber rich and famous. They are and there's nothing wrong with them enjoying that.
2. We live in a 24 hour news cycle. Even if they didn't broadcast it, someone would have.
The players who performed poorly yesterday deserve to be called out for it. Criticizing them for their poor play and then blaming or even bringing up the boat nonsense is just lazy, sensationalized journalism.
1) Still not cool. It's Justin Bieber for God's sakes. Embarrassing as hell.
2) No, they wouldn't have. Only way this got out was someone on that boat with a combined IQ of 25 thought it was a good idea to tweet it out.
Their performance was inexcusable, any criticism they get they deserve.
If this was the Cowboys we'd all be killing them.
He said Belichick told them to leave their golf clubs at home because this wasn't that kind of trip... this was a business trip. Bruschi said Mike Vrabel leaned over to him and said, "He didn't say anything about renting golf clubs." So after the San Francisco game, the 2 of them had an 8:30 tee time on Monday morning and played golf.
The coach can't control what people do in their off time and guys are gonna do what they want. It doesn't reflect on whether they're a good team or bad.
2) Stupid shit happened on his watch, too. Stupid shit happens on pretty much every club.
2) Broadcasting it for all to see.
They deserve all the criticism they are getting right now. Eli, as hard as I've been on him this season, raised it a level yesterday. Our WRs did not.
They deserve criticism for creating the perception. The reality is the partying had nothing to do with yesterday's game.
2) Stupid shit happened on his watch, too. Stupid shit happens on pretty much every club.
Jeremy Shockey did stupid shit when Coughlin was the coach. It happens.
That act will wear thin if the drops keep coming (and he dropped a lot this year) and the antics keep growing.
2) No, they wouldn't have. Only way this got out was someone on that boat with a combined IQ of 25 thought it was a good idea to tweet it out.
You're en fuego Gran Torino.
I know a lot of guys in their 20s. None of them are Bieber fans.
Refresher.....Nothing.
Mi am forever grateful for his years as HC and the two rings he helped deliver. But Tom is gone, Mac did a pretty damn good job as a rookie HC, we made the playoffs for the first time in 5 years...so put the Coughlin stuff to rest, please...it is just not germane anymore. And judging by the lack of interest in him as a HC of late, neither is he to the rest of the NFL.
Party, enjoy the sun, bang some chicks but also show some discretion. Don't make yourself a distraction. Really disappointed in Cruz because he is 30 and should have known better
Party, enjoy the sun, bang some chicks but also show some discretion. Don't make yourself a distraction. Really disappointed in Cruz because he is 30 and should have known better
He also knows this is probably his last season with the Giants.
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For some reason, people today have this narcissistic need to broadcast everything about themselves.
Party, enjoy the sun, bang some chicks but also show some discretion. Don't make yourself a distraction. Really disappointed in Cruz because he is 30 and should have known better
He also knows this is probably his last season with the Giants.
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And they're not supposed to have your tastes either.
I know a lot of guys in their 20s. None of them are Bieber fans.
The point is they're music acts mainly popular with young people. Someone old enough to cry 'get off my lawn' on a football message board probably doesn't and shouldn't see the appeal of partying with a bunch of famous music acts.
I don't know why people don't see the generational gap here. In the 60s parents who grew up in the 40s probably thought the beatles and stones were shit too.
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And they're not supposed to have your tastes either.
I know a lot of guys in their 20s. None of them are Bieber fans.
The point is they're music acts mainly popular with young people. Someone old enough to cry 'get off my lawn' on a football message board probably doesn't and shouldn't see the appeal of partying with a bunch of famous music acts.
I don't know why people don't see the generational gap here. In the 60s parents who grew up in the 40s probably thought the beatles and stones were shit too.
The guy's got like 84 million Facebook followers. I would guess most of those are under 30.
So yeah, definitely generational.
they get in a meanigless game the defense did the job
while apex predator acted like they were already in the
super bowl you have the entire off season to party till
ya puke I'm fucking pissed they all dropped passes then dissapperaed King again comes in gets open and contributes
they should have kept and develop Davis the only guy with
size . I don't get going with three smurphs and no TE's
Yup, the pics was the really stupid part
This.^^^. Also, there is such a thing as being TOO fired up. Being so amped that you are making mistakes which in turn makes you more nervous or angry and mistake prone. I know that's what happened with OBJ. He wanted so badly to put this team on his shoulders and explode on the big stage that he was making the rookie mistakes that he skipped over in 2014. Most of his drops came from trying to run before completing the catch. The same can be said for Shep and Apple as well. Mental mistakes when trying to play a perfect game instead of just doing what they do. They will learn from this and grow and in the next big game, they should be more relaxed. As long as we retain JPP AND big Hank, we should be back in next season.
Doesn't matter what we think, it's going to be brought up forever due to their poor performance, they had their Tony Romo/Acapulco moment!
IMO, the boat trip *did* affect them. Not the trip itself - it didn't wear them down or take away from preparation time, but it put them in the news cycle, and amplified the expectations on them to perform. Combined with it being his first playoff game, I truly believe (opinion, not fact) that they suffered under the microscope with the feeling that they had to perform due to the increased attention.
I'm not saying don't party, or don't relax or take a trip - just next time, be very cautious of how it'll be received, and how much time you'll be spending fending off comments and criticism.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
You're kidding right, the people talking about "it" are the problem now, LOL. They brought this on themselves, it was a stupid move and could have waited until AFTER they actually WON something, like maybe a playoff game!
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1) He's not.
2) Stupid shit happened on his watch, too. Stupid shit happens on pretty much every club.
Jeremy Shockey did stupid shit when Coughlin was the coach. It happens.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
I don't know how you could be further off base.
Simple facts here:
- OBJ is a very emotional guy
- Everything he does, right or wrong, is intensely scrutinized by the media
- He's basically 50% of our offense
It was his first playoff game. The pressure on him to perform was already intense. In the days leading up to the game, he takes that trip, and it's front page news. The sports news cycle eats it up, and his coach, his GM, his QB, his teammates and he himself have to take the podium and field questions about the trip and whether or not it was a distraction.
So take that pressure, and amplify it a bit, since he and everyone else knows that if he doesn't perform, the first statement out of anyone's mouth is going to be 'he shouldn't have been in Miami'.
Emotional guy playing in a high pressure game, increases pressure on himself to perform. If this sounds like a non-factor to you, great. This certainly doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
As I've said, I've defended OBJ plenty around here. I don't think he's a bad guy, or a selfish guy. I think he's a phenomenal asset, a good teammate and generally a good guy. He's never been in the news for doing anything bad, in a sport that seems to be literally littered with shitheads doing horrible things to people.
If I had the chance to advise him, though - I'd tell him to start being a lot more private. He's under the microscope, fair or not, and he's the kind of guy who wears his emotions on his sleeves. Don't fuel the machine that's going to put pressure on you and your teammates. Don't open yourself up to criticism for nonsense that has nothing to do with your performance on the field.
I guarantee you that Jerry Reese has had this conversation with him, whether you feel it was warranted or not.
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who know that the Miami trip didn't affect his performance but are voluntarily bringing up the trip to talk about the "optics" or the "perception" of it are the problem.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
You're kidding right, the people talking about "it" are the problem now, LOL. They brought this on themselves, it was a stupid move and could have waited until AFTER they actually WON something, like maybe a playoff game!
There's literally no good reason for people to care that they went out of town for their mandatory off day. None. It's not arguable.
So having to answer questions about Miami during the week is a distraction you bring on yourself. OBJ continues to bring attention to what he is doing. It goes against the definition of being a good teammate. No one on the team at this point is going to bad mouth ODB because he is valuable to the team but that does not give him the right to be a constant distraction with his antics. There are probably a number of vets on the team that are tired of his stuff.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
Of course it is but that does not detract from the fact that the media and fans of other teams are to milk it.
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who know that the Miami trip didn't affect his performance but are voluntarily bringing up the trip to talk about the "optics" or the "perception" of it are the problem.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
You're kidding right, the people talking about "it" are the problem now, LOL. They brought this on themselves, it was a stupid move and could have waited until AFTER they actually WON something, like maybe a playoff game!
There's literally no good reason for people to care that they went out of town for their mandatory off day. None. It's not arguable.
You can put your head in the sand about this all you want, it's still an issue with the media and will be brought up ad infinitum in years to come. To say it's not arguable is ridiculous go ask Romo if he would have thought twice about his Acapulco trip.
2) Stupid shit happened on his watch, too. Stupid shit happens on pretty much every club.
Raise your hand if any of the receivers on the boat were carrying a handgun with the safety off in the waistband of their pants.
They come off as extremely cocky and obnoxious -- even though they hardly were outstanding this year ..
I am most disappointed in Victor Cruz .. he should have known better and prevented them from making asses of themselves.
You can put your head in the sand about this all you want, it's still an issue with the media and will be brought up ad infinitum in years to come. To say it's not arguable is ridiculous go ask Romo if he would have thought twice about his Acapulco trip.
Just because something is an issue with the media doesn't mean it's an intelligent topic of conversation worthy of being explored. Tony Romo's trip was a conversation solely because he (and Dallas while he was there) could never win the big game. Well, that and because he was with Jessica Simpson. What have we learned as the Romo Era comes to an end? That Tony Romo couldn't win a big game if he vacationed in Cabo or Cleveland before, after, or during the season.
The idea that these guys shouldn't live their lives because of what the media might say is completely idiotic. If you don't win games, the media is going to say dumb shit anyway. We're fans, but we don't own these people.
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who know that the Miami trip didn't affect his performance but are voluntarily bringing up the trip to talk about the "optics" or the "perception" of it are the problem.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
You're kidding right, the people talking about "it" are the problem now, LOL. They brought this on themselves, it was a stupid move and could have waited until AFTER they actually WON something, like maybe a playoff game!
There's literally no good reason for people to care that they went out of town for their mandatory off day. None. It's not arguable.
You can put your head in the sand about this all you want, it's still an issue with the media and will be brought up ad infinitum in years to come. To say it's not arguable is ridiculous go ask Romo if he would have thought twice about his Acapulco trip.
Who cares if it's an issue with the media. That's the problem, caring about the media. You know who didn't have an issue with it? His coach, who gave him permission to go.
If you think going out SIX DAYS before a game had anything to do with anything, you're lost.
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who know that the Miami trip didn't affect his performance but are voluntarily bringing up the trip to talk about the "optics" or the "perception" of it are the problem.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
You're kidding right, the people talking about "it" are the problem now, LOL. They brought this on themselves, it was a stupid move and could have waited until AFTER they actually WON something, like maybe a playoff game!
There's literally no good reason for people to care that they went out of town for their mandatory off day. None. It's not arguable.
You can put your head in the sand about this all you want, it's still an issue with the media and will be brought up ad infinitum in years to come. To say it's not arguable is ridiculous go ask Romo if he would have thought twice about his Acapulco trip.
Who cares if it's an issue with the media. That's the problem, caring about the media. You know who didn't have an issue with it? His coach, who gave him permission to go.
If you think going out SIX DAYS before a game had anything to do with anything, you're lost.
You and shockey can act like big tough guys all you want, the fact is that two of the receivers spit the bit big time in the game SO whether you like it or not it WILL continue to be an issue! And what his coach says publicly and privately are two entirely different things I am sure he wasn't thrilled with the boat trip!
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who know that the Miami trip didn't affect his performance but are voluntarily bringing up the trip to talk about the "optics" or the "perception" of it are the problem.
Optics and Perception to whom? Anyone who thinks that the trip to Miami caused their poor performance on Sunday are at best grasping at straws, but more likely, idiotic drama queens who want there to be a scandal or soap opera controversy.
Every response to the Miami trip should be "They went on an off-day. They showed up the next day and were fully focused and fully prepared. It's a complete non-story. Anyone still talking about it is dong so because they want there to be controversy because they love controversy. I suggest watching the Kardashians or Real Housewives instead of the NFL. Next question"
You're kidding right, the people talking about "it" are the problem now, LOL. They brought this on themselves, it was a stupid move and could have waited until AFTER they actually WON something, like maybe a playoff game!
WHy should he have waited? Please explain to me the relationship between Odell going to Miami and the Giants losing the playoff game.
I'll say it again. The people bringing up the Miami trip are the problem. It has absolutely nothing to do with his performance. So why even bring it up?
Why does the media continue to talk about it? Because they like to drum up tabloid-level gossip for drama-loving fans to eat up because that's what sells papers and draws eyeballs-- manufactured controversies and manufactured outrage in this 24/7 world.
People are acting as Beckham went to Miami on a practice day and said "I'm here because I don't need to practice" or that he showed up on Tuesday completely hungover and was sleeping all through film session and had to be reprimanded by the team.
It was his off-day. He used it to go and have fun. He then showed up to practice on the next day and was as locked in and as focused as he's ever been, according to Dwayne Harris.
This whole idea that it "looks bad" is meaningless. Looks bad to whom? To people who know that it was a non-factor? Well those people know it's irrelevant so those people shouldn't have any motivation to bring it up. To people who actually think he played poorly because he was in Miami? Those people have no evidence or basis for the claim so why is there any validity to their opinion?
And the whole notion "well he has to know that the entire media is going to be talking about it"... so what? The media is always looking to drum up controversy and salacious gossip. As long as that doesn't bother Beckham, then again, it doesn't matter at all.
The logic doesn't work, at all. All of this boat trip junk is moral finger wagging nonsense from resentful fans. The optic only matters to you if they lose a game. Nobody cares at all that the 2011 team went nuts the night before a super bowl, because they won. Which tells you how little it matters that a player would party a full week before a game while missing no time and missing no practices.
What, exactly, did they bring upon themselves? What is the message they are sending by having fun in Miami and taking a picture for social media in an age dominated by social media such that "selfie" is now a word used by every generation?
Is it that the media was going to talk about it incessantly? So what, they probably tune it out anyway. Plus, it's NY. The sports media is ALWAYS looking for a nonsense headline. If the players let every headline get to them, they would never be able to last in NY anway.
So what is it about the trip that bothers so many people? Is the implication that they don't care about winning? Is it that they are proclaiming that they already won the Super Bowl? Is it that they are going to stay in Miami all week and not prepare? Is it that they didn't give up their bargained-for day off to instead spend more time practicing?
The only thing they brought upon themselves were well-deserved jokes about their fashion choice and pose like it's a rap album cover.