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NFT: Knicks Chat: Derrick Rose aftermath

DanMetroMan : 1/10/2017 7:39 am
1. Assuming multiple reports on the topic Derrick Rose MUST be suspended. I don't care what the family issue was. There is absolutely no excuse for not contacting/not being receptive to contact from the Knicks. You tell your agent/friend to speak to them on your behalf. The Knicks reportedly are "livid".

2. Things were already going downhill with Rose/Hornacek. Even if unrelated I think it's more likely than not this will help the Knicks make their Rose decision going forward.


"Knicks officials didn’t hear from Rose that he was OK until after an embarrassing loss to New Orleans, a confirmation that sources said began the next conversation within the organization: What do they do with Rose now?

In the aftermath of going AWOL at The Garden, Knicks officials need to further determine Rose’s passion to return to the team and continue playing.

Rose has put into peril his short-term role – with the possibility of a suspension, sources said – and the longer-term chances to land a lucrative contract extension with the Knicks in July, league sources told The Vertical.

Rose, the 2011 NBA Most Valuable Player and a three-time All-Star, has suffered through several serious injuries and has diminished as an elite point guard in the league. He’s had an up-and-down season for the Knicks, who have lost eight of nine games and dropped to 17-21."
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Me, about this team.  
Heisenberg : 1/10/2017 7:48 am : link
i hate saying this because i hate tanking  
nygiants16 : 1/10/2017 7:51 am : link
but it is time to start selling off some pieces, approach teams about rose..

go to melo and say look its over, we tried it did not work, we will work with you on a trade and we will find a team that you are willing to play for..

trade oquinn while he still has some value..

lance thomas there is no trade out there most likely..

i would start kuz and willy, noah can come off the bench, he is here for the forseeable future, so he can be the vet in the locker room
When is the last time a star went AWOL  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/10/2017 7:52 am : link
Like that?
RE: i hate saying this because i hate tanking  
Earl the goat : 1/10/2017 7:53 am : link
In comment 13319390 nygiants16 said:
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but it is time to start selling off some pieces, approach teams about rose..

go to melo and say look its over, we tried it did not work, we will work with you on a trade and we will find a team that you are willing to play for..

trade oquinn while he still has some value..

lance thomas there is no trade out there most likely..

Wow. I can't believe I'm reading this But I'm glad I am

i would start kuz and willy, noah can come off the bench, he is here for the forseeable future, so he can be the vet in the locker room
Watching Knicks postgame was surreal last night  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/10/2017 7:55 am : link
From the way Trautwig was acting, you thought something had really gone bad with Rose, he had been harmed, an accident, etc. But as the show went on, Hahn and Szcerbiak seemed to be much more relaxed in their body language, almost scoffing that he had missed the game.

Strange situation for strange team.
Man how far he's fallen  
chris r : 1/10/2017 7:58 am : link
Dude was arguably the most exciting player in the game for a few years. Not best but most exciting.
if knicks do start selling off pieces  
nygiants16 : 1/10/2017 8:05 am : link
have to try and get picks in this draft..
selfish, dumb, lazy  
Enzo : 1/10/2017 8:07 am : link
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Hornacek looks like he has aged 5 years since  
GiantsUA : 1/10/2017 8:09 am : link
the beginning of the season.
Uninspired group. Jennings looked like he had a migraine.
Moron - even if he doesn't want to stay here  
jcn56 : 1/10/2017 8:10 am : link
anything he does to impact his trade value is just hurting his bottom line. What an idiot.
RE: selfish, dumb, lazy  
nygiants16 : 1/10/2017 8:12 am : link
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you going to say that if something happened to his kid?
There's a possibility that his absence is understandable/reasonable  
Heisenberg : 1/10/2017 8:14 am : link
Refusing to let the team know is pretty hard to justify, however.
RE: RE: selfish, dumb, lazy  
jcn56 : 1/10/2017 8:18 am : link
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you going to say that if something happened to his kid?


He took the time to call his rep to have them call the Knicks. Couldn't he have contacted the Knicks in less time himself? Or shit, even sent a text message quickly to someone on the team just to let them know what was up?
if he just skipped out on the team  
nygiants16 : 1/10/2017 8:18 am : link
then fuck him and get rid of him, but if ots something bad with his kid, then i will kind of understand...

i just dont know how can anyone attack someone personally they do not even know, attack his game dont attack him personally
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nygiants16 : 1/10/2017 8:20 am : link
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you going to say that if something happened to his kid?



He took the time to call his rep to have them call the Knicks. Couldn't he have contacted the Knicks in less time himself? Or shit, even sent a text message quickly to someone on the team just to let them know what was up?


if something happened to your kid and you are in a completely different state you thinking about your employer and figuring out the quickest way to get to your kid?

i know the first thing i am doing is getting on a flight  
nygiants16 : 1/10/2017 8:20 am : link
and getting to my kid, i will deal with the aftermath later..
I have unfortunately been in that position  
jcn56 : 1/10/2017 8:22 am : link
And no, the 45 seconds it took me to send an e-mail to my employer did not compromise my situation.

Now, if Rose was busy landing a pilotless 747 after everyone got food poisoning, maybe you have a point - but that's how ridiculously bad the scenarios have to be before it justifies his silence.
Cmon  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2017 8:24 am : link
It takes 10 seconds to text your agent or the team with the word. "My kid is very sick, I have to fly home". Somehow this doesn't happen EVER despite the amount of kids people have... hmmm. His friends/associates also weren't responding/contacting the Knicks, they were so upset about his "sick kid" they too were unable to send word?
RE: Cmon  
nygiants16 : 1/10/2017 8:27 am : link
In comment 13319424 DanMetroMan said:
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It takes 10 seconds to text your agent or the team with the word. "My kid is very sick, I have to fly home". Somehow this doesn't happen EVER despite the amount of kids people have... hmmm. His friends/associates also weren't responding/contacting the Knicks, they were so upset about his "sick kid" they too were unable to send word?


like i said i am waiting to hear what happened then i will freak out..

if it was as simple as his kid was sick and he just simply disappeared then i will kill him like everyone else..

if ot is something really bad then i will understand a little bit more
Hornacek  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2017 8:27 am : link
Mentioned the organization had not directly heard from Rose even post game... yet Noah had. So his kid is too sick to cal/message the Knicks but not Noah?
Bs  
hassan : 1/10/2017 8:29 am : link
Text a teammate. 10 second task.

Rose is a weird guy who ends up in bad situations so he does not get any benefit of the doubt.
RE: Hornacek  
nygiants16 : 1/10/2017 8:30 am : link
In comment 13319430 DanMetroMan said:
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Mentioned the organization had not directly heard from Rose even post game... yet Noah had. So his kid is too sick to cal/message the Knicks but not Noah?


like i said i am waiting to hear what happened, then freak out..

fair enough?
on the bright side....  
Enzo : 1/10/2017 8:31 am : link
hopefully this means there's no chance of this guy coming back.
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Section331 : 1/10/2017 8:32 am : link
In comment 13319419 nygiants16 said:
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if something happened to your kid and you are in a completely different state you thinking about your employer and figuring out the quickest way to get to your kid?


Umm, yes, yes I would. Are you telling me if you were away, and something happened to your child, you wouldn't contact your employer if you were due in work that day? I'm not saying it would be your top priority, but it would be up the list.
let's not overlook this:  
Enzo : 1/10/2017 8:42 am : link
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Rose has been increasingly frustrated with how this Knicks season has unfolded, culminating with him privately fuming over his diminished late-game role in Friday night’s victory in Milwaukee, sources said.

Good to know that he was upset about playing time after what was this team's only win since Christmas. Way to be a team guy...


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RE: on the bright side....  
dep026 : 1/10/2017 8:42 am : link
In comment 13319435 Enzo said:
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hopefully this means there's no chance of this guy coming back.


But Melo is still there!

At some point if the Knicks want Porz to grow, they have to bench Melo for games at a time until he asks for a trade. He is a cancer now. I am sure the ejection last night was to fuel some fire and get the team going, right? More like, he had enough and quit on his teammates.
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Enzo : 1/10/2017 8:45 am : link
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you going to say that if something happened to his kid?



He took the time to call his rep to have them call the Knicks. Couldn't he have contacted the Knicks in less time himself? Or shit, even sent a text message quickly to someone on the team just to let them know what was up?



if something happened to your kid and you are in a completely different state you thinking about your employer and figuring out the quickest way to get to your kid?

in this particular case, the employer in question has access to helicopters, private planes and nearly unlimited resources - so maybe that should have been his FIRST phone call?
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Earl the goat : 1/10/2017 8:46 am : link
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hopefully this means there's no chance of this guy coming back.

Melo has been a me first and selfish player since he's gotten into the league.



But Melo is still there!

At some point if the Knicks want Porz to grow, they have to bench Melo for games at a time until he asks for a trade. He is a cancer now. I am sure the ejection last night was to fuel some fire and get the team going, right? More like, he had enough and quit on his teammates.
RE: if he just skipped out on the team  
Enzo : 1/10/2017 8:47 am : link
In comment 13319417 nygiants16 said:
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then fuck him and get rid of him, but if ots something bad with his kid, then i will kind of understand...

i just dont know how can anyone attack someone personally they do not even know, attack his game dont attack him personally

WTF are you talking about? He's a lazy player, he's a selfish player, and a he's a dumb player. None of that is a personal attack.
I know one team who would and take on Rose.....  
dep026 : 1/10/2017 8:47 am : link
Cleveland. They are looking for a backup guard, and he would be ideal for their bench. Bring him in with Love, Frye, and Korver? Lots of shooters, and the lane will be available.

I can see him thriving in that role.
There is no excuse. Just terrible on so many levels.  
Keith : 1/10/2017 8:48 am : link
Destroys his value for himself and the Knicks. Must be suspended.
Good grief, there is no franchise that knows how to  
mfsd : 1/10/2017 8:48 am : link
hit rock bottom and keep digging like the Knicks
Sadly  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2017 8:54 am : link
Here are dozens/hundreds of children of pro athletes that get sick (or worse) and yet never in my years of folllowing sports has this ever happened and to repeat... Noah said he heard from him after the game... Hornacek said the organization had not heard from him directly so that pretty much eliminates any reasonable doubt
Rose is not a very intelligent person  
dep026 : 1/10/2017 8:59 am : link
the stuff about his SATs and never going to class at Memphis is probably as legit as can be. He would be an itinerant student in my school. It wouldnt shock me if he was in the lower 5% in the NBA when it comes to IQ.

And the problem with that is that Rose has always surrounded himself with the wrong people, aka his brother Reggie, who make the absolute worst decisions for him. But he only goes with the people he trusts and is not an intelligent enough to make the right decision. I saw it in Chicago now you are seeing it now.

People calling him dumb and lazy are really pathetic people.
apparently i have the wrong take on this  
nygiants16 : 1/10/2017 8:59 am : link
and enzo dont act like your first post was about his game and not about him personally
RE: Rose is not a very intelligent person  
Section331 : 1/10/2017 9:00 am : link
In comment 13319490 dep026 said:
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the stuff about his SATs and never going to class at Memphis is probably as legit as can be. He would be an itinerant student in my school. It wouldnt shock me if he was in the lower 5% in the NBA when it comes to IQ.

And the problem with that is that Rose has always surrounded himself with the wrong people, aka his brother Reggie, who make the absolute worst decisions for him. But he only goes with the people he trusts and is not an intelligent enough to make the right decision. I saw it in Chicago now you are seeing it now.

People calling him dumb and lazy are really pathetic people.


Didn't you just call him dumb?
Isola  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2017 9:01 am : link
100% is a troll but on this he makes a valid point... the Knicks don't seem all that eager to rush out and defend Rose, issue statements etc. Hornacek indicated they are aware where he was (despite not speaking to him) and yet didn't even say something like "Derrick had a family emergency/family issue that he will address" preferring to leave everyone guessing/blasting Rose. I suspect if the scenario were some horrendous issue with his kid where he somehow were unable to send word the Knicks/Hornacek would have been more proactive in defending him.
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dep026 : 1/10/2017 9:02 am : link
In comment 13319495 Section331 said:
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the stuff about his SATs and never going to class at Memphis is probably as legit as can be. He would be an itinerant student in my school. It wouldnt shock me if he was in the lower 5% in the NBA when it comes to IQ.

And the problem with that is that Rose has always surrounded himself with the wrong people, aka his brother Reggie, who make the absolute worst decisions for him. But he only goes with the people he trusts and is not an intelligent enough to make the right decision. I saw it in Chicago now you are seeing it now.

People calling him dumb and lazy are really pathetic people.



Didn't you just call him dumb?


Call an itinerant student dumb and see the aftermath you get in school today.
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Section331 : 1/10/2017 9:05 am : link
In comment 13319500 dep026 said:
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Call an itinerant student dumb and see the aftermath you get in school today.


Fair point, but judging that a guy might be the in the lowest 5% in IQ in the NBA, and then castigating posters for calling him dumb is a little much, no?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Rose is not a very intelligent person  
dep026 : 1/10/2017 9:10 am : link
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Call an itinerant student dumb and see the aftermath you get in school today.



Fair point, but judging that a guy might be the in the lowest 5% in IQ in the NBA, and then castigating posters for calling him dumb is a little much, no?


I wasnt trying to insult him by saying it wouldnt shock me about his IQ if it was, he just shows a lot of signs/symptoms of someone with a low IQ. It's still insulting to call someone dumb not knowing all the circumstances.

Regardless, the point still remains that his decisions have a lot to be desired and I dont think he gets good outside advice.
If his IQ is in the bottom 5% in the NBA  
Carl in CT : 1/10/2017 9:17 am : link
Then he is dumb! (You said it not me).
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dep026 : 1/10/2017 9:21 am : link
In comment 13319528 Carl in CT said:
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Then he is dumb! (You said it not me).


And he has made over 100 million in his career - so what does that make us? haha
Woj  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2017 9:38 am : link
update-

1. Rose and Hornacek had been clashing in recent weeks (we had heard this before but he is confirming)

2. (more importantly) he's reporting as of this morning the Knicks still had "limited" contact with Rose regarding his absence so the "sick kid" excuse really goes out the window (even if he uses it). He's AWOL at 7 and "early morning" Tuesday he still can't give them a proper explanation/communication?
Isola  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2017 9:42 am : link
says there was no "huge argument" with Hornacek but that their relationship was strained. Also said Rose was "obsessed" with getting max money (aka see ya!, even before this).
Do the knicks have all of their 1st round picks  
bxgiants4 : 1/10/2017 9:47 am : link
Going forward or did we deal some of them?
RE: Do the knicks have all of their 1st round picks  
Enzo : 1/10/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13319578 bxgiants4 said:
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Going forward or did we deal some of them?

they have their first round picks going forward. Phil has traded some second rounders but has also acquired a few.
RE: Do the knicks have all of their 1st round picks  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2017 9:50 am : link
In comment 13319578 bxgiants4 said:
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Going forward or did we deal some of them?


The Knicks no longer owe any 1sts. They owe 2017 2nd, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 seconds and are owed 2 2017 2nds and 2 in 2019.
Rose used  
Metnut : 1/10/2017 9:51 am : link
to be my favorite player during his first few years in Chicago. Now, I root against him. It looks like, basketball aside, he's a piece of shit off the court, and he's not acting much better as a teammate with the Knicks.

The good news for Knicks fans is that Rose couldn't even act well for a full season. The Knicks have seen his true colors and won't make the catastrophic mistake of giving this guy a huge extension. IMO they should try to suspend him without pay for a while if they can under the CBA.
So  
DanMetroMan : 1/10/2017 9:53 am : link
through 2021 the Knicks

2017
Own first, Bulls 2nd, Rockets 2nd (minus their own 2nd)

2018
Own first, no second

2019
Own first, 2 seconds, minus their own second (so "even")

2020
Own first, no second

2021
Own first, no second
RE: if he just skipped out on the team  
EricNY33 : 1/10/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13319417 nygiants16 said:
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then fuck him and get rid of him, but if ots something bad with his kid, then i will kind of understand...

i just dont know how can anyone attack someone personally they do not even know, attack his game dont attack him personally


Sorry man. I side with everyone else on this. His people, agent, whomever could've gotten word to the Knicks while this was happening. He's completely wrong here.
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