1. Assuming multiple reports on the topic Derrick Rose MUST be suspended. I don't care what the family issue was. There is absolutely no excuse for not contacting/not being receptive to contact from the Knicks. You tell your agent/friend to speak to them on your behalf. The Knicks reportedly are "livid".
2. Things were already going downhill with Rose/Hornacek. Even if unrelated I think it's more likely than not this will help the Knicks make their Rose decision going forward.
"Knicks officials didnt hear from Rose that he was OK until after an embarrassing loss to New Orleans, a confirmation that sources said began the next conversation within the organization: What do they do with Rose now?
In the aftermath of going AWOL at The Garden, Knicks officials need to further determine Roses passion to return to the team and continue playing.
Rose has put into peril his short-term role with the possibility of a suspension, sources said and the longer-term chances to land a lucrative contract extension with the Knicks in July, league sources told The Vertical.
Rose, the 2011 NBA Most Valuable Player and a three-time All-Star, has suffered through several serious injuries and has diminished as an elite point guard in the league. Hes had an up-and-down season for the Knicks, who have lost eight of nine games and dropped to 17-21."
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He's virtually untradable now. The only thing we're getting back for his expiring deal is someone else's headache.
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Regarding Rose, told this isn't all of it but that being away from his son more is weighing very heavily on him.
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His trade value. I'd take a few 2nd rounders for him at this point.
He's virtually untradable now. The only thing we're getting back for his expiring deal is someone else's headache.
yeah...somebody like Noah! Phil sure had a hell of a summer.
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Regarding Rose, told this isn't all of it but that being away from his son more is weighing very heavily on him.
And get back Rondo?
There's not a player I would want less to see on any of my teams in any sport.
He's virtually untradable now. The only thing we're getting back for his expiring deal is someone else's headache.
yeah...somebody like Noah! Phil sure had a hell of a summer.
Dude... he took a shot and it backfired. He didn't give up anything of value. I can't kill him for this move.
Noah is fair game, but the Rose trade was a worthy gamble.
he had negative value to every team but the Knicks last summer. It was reported other teams were asking for a first rounder in exchange for taking him. I doubt 30 games of his ballhog act here in NY had teams dying to trade assets for him. In the absolute best case scenario, he's maybe a bench guy for a contender, but his salary makes it hard to move him. As we see with Melo, contenders typically don't have max level salaries for players they don't need/can afford to lose on their roster that they can trade for other max players.
With all his handlers, agents, attorneys, groupies you figure one of them could have contacted Knicks brass.
If his son was that sick (and I hope he wasn't for the kid's sake), Rose's PR guys would have released a statement by now. Instead he looks like a whiny has been who is upset he will never see a max deal again.
He probably needed the max money to pay off his legal fees from beating the rape case.
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Regarding Rose, told this isn't all of it but that being away from his son more is weighing very heavily on him.
bahahaha. What a bunch of bullshit.
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His trade value. I'd take a few 2nd rounders for him at this point.
he had negative value to every team but the Knicks last summer. It was reported other teams were asking for a first rounder in exchange for taking him. I doubt 30 games of his ballhog act here in NY had teams dying to trade assets for him. In the absolute best case scenario, he's maybe a bench guy for a contender, but his salary makes it hard to move him. As we see with Melo, contenders typically don't have max level salaries for players they don't need/can afford to lose on their roster that they can trade for other max players.
Melo isn't even close to what Rose is, because Melo can still do what he does and he's not a diva.
Even after announcing his shoulder injury I bet more teams would be willing to acquire Melo than Rose.
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His trade value. I'd take a few 2nd rounders for him at this point.
he had negative value to every team but the Knicks last summer. It was reported other teams were asking for a first rounder in exchange for taking him. I doubt 30 games of his ballhog act here in NY had teams dying to trade assets for him. In the absolute best case scenario, he's maybe a bench guy for a contender, but his salary makes it hard to move him. As we see with Melo, contenders typically don't have max level salaries for players they don't need/can afford to lose on their roster that they can trade for other max players.
Melo isn't even close to what Rose is, because Melo can still do what he does and he's not a diva.
Even after announcing his shoulder injury I bet more teams would be willing to acquire Melo than Rose.
Melo was only brought up as a comparison with regard to getting salaries to match from a contender. That's it.
We have posters saying "trade Melo and Rose!" but there are no obvious fits out there right now because of their salaries (unless there's some crazy 5 or 6 team trade).
My Chicago friends basically said they would not believe a word he said about his whereabouts. He's probably pissed at hornacek and pouting.
Amazing that we had an opportunity to essentially tank this year and get a top guard prospect to go with KP and Hernangomez, and we decided to go this route instead. I was fine with the Rose flyer for one year, but Noah, Lee and Thomas? Not so much.
Don't forget who pays the agent - he has to represent his client, no matter how big a jackass or douchebag he may be.
Really? You're better than that man.
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agent only played 6 seasons for Phil Jackson winning 4 rings.... and yet radio silence? Bizarre.
Don't forget who pays the agent - he has to represent his client, no matter how big a jackass or douchebag he may be.
My point was more... if the "kid is sick" stuff is what we are going with... Rose doesn't let his agent know? An agent with a relationship with Phil Jackson doesn't then "let them know"?
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agent only played 6 seasons for Phil Jackson winning 4 rings.... and yet radio silence? Bizarre.
Don't forget who pays the agent - he has to represent his client, no matter how big a jackass or douchebag he may be.
My point was more... if the "kid is sick" stuff is what we are going with... Rose doesn't let his agent know? An agent with a relationship with Phil Jackson doesn't then "let them know"?
Got it - I just figured we were past the 'sick kid' hypothetical, pretty much everyone in NYC has figured out that was BS by now.
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What exactly is that? Take the lowest % shot every time down the floor?
Really? You're better than that man.
Oh am I? Are you sure about that?
Seriously though, Melo no longer does anything well enough like he used to. He scores a lot of points, mostly on contested 2 pointers out of the flow of an offense so when he misses(and he misses a LOT), it's usually a defensive rebound and leads to a fast break the other way(oh, and no he doesn't hustle back on defense either).
What does Melo do well these days? He's not a diva because he doesn't care. He has the life he wants, living in the city he wants to be in, making money hands over fist with little to no expectations.
Maybe we'll get the whole story from Charley Rosen in 5 months.
They have a guy to build around. 4 years of Joakim Noah, a Derrick Rose who is a shell of his former self and an aging Carmelo Anthony aren't going to accomplish anything aside from keeping us firmly entrenched in NBA purgatory spinning our wheels and going nowhere.
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What exactly is that? Take the lowest % shot every time down the floor?
Really? You're better than that man.
Oh am I? Are you sure about that?
Seriously though, Melo no longer does anything well enough like he used to. He scores a lot of points, mostly on contested 2 pointers out of the flow of an offense so when he misses(and he misses a LOT), it's usually a defensive rebound and leads to a fast break the other way(oh, and no he doesn't hustle back on defense either).
What does Melo do well these days? He's not a diva because he doesn't care. He has the life he wants, living in the city he wants to be in, making money hands over fist with little to no expectations.
+1 to Keith. Melo is a total cancer. I can't believe there are any Knicks fans left who actually watch him and like Melo. Everything about him sucks, he is all about himself- has never and will never care about winning.
That being said, Rose is other-worldly dumb and irresponsible. Two different stories.
I can't wait until the day neither of the two are wearing a Knicks uni.
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What exactly is that? Take the lowest % shot every time down the floor?
Really? You're better than that man.
Oh am I? Are you sure about that?
Seriously though, Melo no longer does anything well enough like he used to. He scores a lot of points, mostly on contested 2 pointers out of the flow of an offense so when he misses(and he misses a LOT), it's usually a defensive rebound and leads to a fast break the other way(oh, and no he doesn't hustle back on defense either).
What does Melo do well these days? He's not a diva because he doesn't care. He has the life he wants, living in the city he wants to be in, making money hands over fist with little to no expectations.
Outside of his shooting percentage being lower than usual that's all he's ever done well, so what's your point? He's a scorer. He still has the ability to do that, and probably at a more efficient level on a team where he won't be asked to carry the load.
He's not a diva because he's never been one, and I disagree 100% that he doesn't care. That's a ridiculous assertion to make when he's playing through an injury that most guys would shut it down for.
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In comment 13319671 Keith said:
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What exactly is that? Take the lowest % shot every time down the floor?
Really? You're better than that man.
Oh am I? Are you sure about that?
Seriously though, Melo no longer does anything well enough like he used to. He scores a lot of points, mostly on contested 2 pointers out of the flow of an offense so when he misses(and he misses a LOT), it's usually a defensive rebound and leads to a fast break the other way(oh, and no he doesn't hustle back on defense either).
What does Melo do well these days? He's not a diva because he doesn't care. He has the life he wants, living in the city he wants to be in, making money hands over fist with little to no expectations.
Outside of his shooting percentage being lower than usual that's all he's ever done well, so what's your point? He's a scorer. He still has the ability to do that, and probably at a more efficient level on a team where he won't be asked to carry the load.
He's not a diva because he's never been one, and I disagree 100% that he doesn't care. That's a ridiculous assertion to make when he's playing through an injury that most guys would shut it down for.
Eric- one thing I am sure of is Melo is looking forward to his yearly shut down and second half of the season off.
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What exactly is that? Take the lowest % shot every time down the floor?
Really? You're better than that man.
Oh am I? Are you sure about that?
Seriously though, Melo no longer does anything well enough like he used to. He scores a lot of points, mostly on contested 2 pointers out of the flow of an offense so when he misses(and he misses a LOT), it's usually a defensive rebound and leads to a fast break the other way(oh, and no he doesn't hustle back on defense either).
What does Melo do well these days? He's not a diva because he doesn't care. He has the life he wants, living in the city he wants to be in, making money hands over fist with little to no expectations.
+1 to Keith. Melo is a total cancer. I can't believe there are any Knicks fans left who actually watch him and like Melo. Everything about him sucks, he is all about himself- has never and will never care about winning.
That being said, Rose is other-worldly dumb and irresponsible. Two different stories.
I can't wait until the day neither of the two are wearing a Knicks uni.
A cancer? Wow. Melo is a lot of things, but he's not a cancer, and this notion he doesn't care about winning is ridiculously absurd. If he was as selfish as people say then winning would only HELP his brand, so how exactly does he not care about winning again?
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What exactly is that? Take the lowest % shot every time down the floor?
Really? You're better than that man.
Oh am I? Are you sure about that?
Seriously though, Melo no longer does anything well enough like he used to. He scores a lot of points, mostly on contested 2 pointers out of the flow of an offense so when he misses(and he misses a LOT), it's usually a defensive rebound and leads to a fast break the other way(oh, and no he doesn't hustle back on defense either).
What does Melo do well these days? He's not a diva because he doesn't care. He has the life he wants, living in the city he wants to be in, making money hands over fist with little to no expectations.
Outside of his shooting percentage being lower than usual that's all he's ever done well, so what's your point? He's a scorer. He still has the ability to do that, and probably at a more efficient level on a team where he won't be asked to carry the load.
He's not a diva because he's never been one, and I disagree 100% that he doesn't care. That's a ridiculous assertion to make when he's playing through an injury that most guys would shut it down for.
Eric- one thing I am sure of is Melo is looking forward to his yearly shut down and second half of the season off.
Oh yeah. I'm sure. You're right.
Add in that Melo takes terrible shots where we never get a rebound and Rose mostly shoots from close in with teammates crashing and it leads to points for someone else.
Melo isn't the scorer he used to be and the rest of his game is so bad that even his scoring doesn't help this team.
Either way, it's stupid to talk about. If Melo cared about winning, he wouldn't be in NY.
Rose's game definitely doesn't help, but it doesn't hurt. Melo and KP need a distributing PG to maximize their potential, no doubt.
Add in that Melo takes terrible shots where we never get a rebound and Rose mostly shoots from close in with teammates crashing and it leads to points for someone else.
Melo isn't the scorer he used to be and the rest of his game is so bad that even his scoring doesn't help this team.
Either way, it's stupid to talk about. If Melo cared about winning, he wouldn't be in NY.
Because a guy can't care about winning and getting paid, right?
Melo is taking shots this season that in years past he was hitting. Maybe his shoulder injury has something to do with that? Nah, couldn't be that, could it?
Is he asked to do to much because of the roster? Probably. But he is not an all-star player anymore. And his antics last night are not what a leader does in a time where they need a leader.
I called him the worst PG in basketball last year and just said he needs to be traded or suspended. Your comment is pretty weird.
Would it really shock you if you found out Rose has/had a learning disability?
Rose's game definitely doesn't help, but it doesn't hurt. Melo and KP need a distributing PG to maximize their potential, no doubt.
More like Rose/Jennings dribble the ball until there's 6 seconds left on the clock then give it to Melo and say go ahead and make something happen.
Melo can still get his mid-range shot off almost at will. I don't know what you mean he can't create space. That isn't the problem at all. He's just missing those shots more, for whatever
lol. It must be difficult to be this stupid.
Then why is he averaging the 5th most shots per 36 minutes in his career if Rose doesnt pass him the ball?
Research is your friend.
Is this a serious post? The team needs a PG who distributes, but the ballhog PG they currently have on the roster isn't hurting? Bahahaha.
What's funny is the one player who is benefiting from Phil's "vision" in putting together this roster is Rose. Teams can't play off of Melo or KP (because, unlike Rose, they actually put some time into developing the ability to shoot the long ball) so he has all kinds of room to operate when he puts his head down and heads to the basket.
Is he asked to do to much because of the roster? Probably. But he is not an all-star player anymore. And his antics last night are not what a leader does in a time where they need a leader.
He doesn't pass well? Wrong. He's actually a very good passer when guys actually move to accept passes. His defense has always been bad. Not expecting miracles here, and his rebounding is fine when he's not chasing SF's around the perimeter being pulled away from the basket.
As for leadership... leaders are born, not made. He's not that type of guy. He tries, but even great leaders sometimes make mistakes and lose their cool.
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Rose's game definitely doesn't help, but it doesn't hurt. Melo and KP need a distributing PG to maximize their potential, no doubt.
Is this a serious post? The team needs a PG who distributes, but the ballhog PG they currently have on the roster isn't hurting? Bahahaha.
What's funny is the one player who is benefiting from Phil's "vision" in putting together this roster is Rose. Teams can't play off of Melo or KP (because, unlike Rose, they actually put some time into developing the ability to shoot the long ball) so he has all kinds of room to operate when he puts his head down and heads to the basket.
5th most shots per 36 in his career. Research my friend, research.
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on 15+ shots per game and Melo is averaging 22 pts on 18+ shots per game.
Add in that Melo takes terrible shots where we never get a rebound and Rose mostly shoots from close in with teammates crashing and it leads to points for someone else.
Melo isn't the scorer he used to be and the rest of his game is so bad that even his scoring doesn't help this team.
Either way, it's stupid to talk about. If Melo cared about winning, he wouldn't be in NY.
Because a guy can't care about winning and getting paid, right?
Melo is taking shots this season that in years past he was hitting. Maybe his shoulder injury has something to do with that? Nah, couldn't be that, could it?
The Knicks would love to trade Melo. He wants to make his money and retire in NY-- he has held them hostage for several years with his no-trade clause. The last thing Carmelo Anthony has ever cared about is being in a position to win.
Dep- the Cavs can't trade for Rose because, besides the fact why would a contending team trade for this guys attitude, salary won't match up. There is literally no feasible trade salary wise.