1. Assuming multiple reports on the topic Derrick Rose MUST be suspended. I don't care what the family issue was. There is absolutely no excuse for not contacting/not being receptive to contact from the Knicks. You tell your agent/friend to speak to them on your behalf. The Knicks reportedly are "livid".
2. Things were already going downhill with Rose/Hornacek. Even if unrelated I think it's more likely than not this will help the Knicks make their Rose decision going forward.
"Knicks officials didnt hear from Rose that he was OK until after an embarrassing loss to New Orleans, a confirmation that sources said began the next conversation within the organization: What do they do with Rose now?
In the aftermath of going AWOL at The Garden, Knicks officials need to further determine Roses passion to return to the team and continue playing.
Rose has put into peril his short-term role with the possibility of a suspension, sources said and the longer-term chances to land a lucrative contract extension with the Knicks in July, league sources told The Vertical.
Rose, the 2011 NBA Most Valuable Player and a three-time All-Star, has suffered through several serious injuries and has diminished as an elite point guard in the league. Hes had an up-and-down season for the Knicks, who have lost eight of nine games and dropped to 17-21."
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He isnt asked to carry the load. He has/had two other guys averaging over 17 a game. He doesnt pass well, he doesnt defend at all, and his rebounding is pedestrian.
Is he asked to do to much because of the roster? Probably. But he is not an all-star player anymore. And his antics last night are not what a leader does in a time where they need a leader.
He doesn't pass well? Wrong. He's actually a very good passer when guys actually move to accept passes. His defense has always been bad. Not expecting miracles here, and his rebounding is fine when he's not chasing SF's around the perimeter being pulled away from the basket.
As for leadership... leaders are born, not made. He's not that type of guy. He tries, but even great leaders sometimes make mistakes and lose their cool.
Melo has always had the ball in his more than any of his teammates and he averages like 3 assists per game. He may be able to pass it - he just doesnt do it.
Dep- the Cavs can't trade for Rose because, besides the fact why would a contending team trade for this guys attitude, salary won't match up. There is literally no feasible trade salary wise.
Basic cap rules are way beyond some people here.
Dep- the Cavs can't trade for Rose because, besides the fact why would a contending team trade for this guys attitude, salary won't match up. There is literally no feasible trade salary wise.
I made an oversight on cap room, so you are right. And his attitude? I believed they took on JR Smith who was deemed a cancer and a poor fit and that turned out real nice for them. Lebron came out and said they need a PG, he would fit the bill. Shit, if they acquired about Rondo - they will acquire about anyone.
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Derrick Rose defense force could try to shift blame and make this AT ALL about Melo.
Dep- the Cavs can't trade for Rose because, besides the fact why would a contending team trade for this guys attitude, salary won't match up. There is literally no feasible trade salary wise.
Basic cap rules are way beyond some people here.
Please explain how Melo's shot is being affected by a player even though he is shooting more this year than his career norms. Us people dont quite get it.
Phil Jackson, 71-year-old president of the Knicks, tweets out his relationship status but is silent when the team loses its point guard.
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We're stuck with Rose for the year, I bet.
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It doesn't mean he has to play.
10000% agree.
My biggest concern when they brought him in was his age. Would he look long term, or would his short window due to age cause him make win now moves?
You would think even a vague statement would have been released by BJ Armstrong, Rose himself or the Knicks (if not both) .
well I for one am shocked that the combination of a 70 year old ex coach and a former Stern lackey, neither of whom had any demonstrated experience putting together an NBA roster, have been unable to field a winning team.
Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN 19s19 seconds ago
The media spin is starting: "Derrick Rose misses his son." I would damn hope so. But what does that have to do with missing work/not calling
6.022 x 10^23 percent.
clearly i was wrong aboit it being bad enough to find an excuse
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to the shootaround, misses his son so much at that very time that he travels to the airport, takes a flight to Chicago while also not telling the team/ ignoring attempts to get in contact with him. The Knicks better suspend him at least a few games or they will look silly. On what planet is this considered okay?
clearly i was wrong aboit it being bad enough to find an excuse
I wasn't taking a shot at you. I'm just trying to understand the rationale of this guy. I mean it's wonderful he loves/misses his son but beyond it being bizarre he had to do this on a game day, the fact he wasn't responding to the Knicks makes it look really bad.
i have read multiple interviews with him that being away from his son is the hardest part, but again no excuse
No one is going to forget about it. They're going to have to toss him overboard and just take whatever they can get in return. It's just a matter of whether they want him back in the locker room or not.
i have read multiple interviews with him that being away from his son is the hardest part, but again no excuse
If he really misses his son that much (and is unable to relocate him) then I guess there is no point even worrying about him wanting max from the Knicks because he's pretty much limited to the Bulls, Twolves or Pacers right? I mean again, I basically grew up without a dad, so I find it beyond commendable that he loves/cares about his son but assuming this story is accurate, the decision making is that of someone who is not stable ala Kanye West. Somehow hundreds of pro-athletes play away from "home" and yet to my recollection this has NEVER happened.
They had a day off 1/3, another 1/5, again 1/8 and again have one day. He couldn't have gone home one of those days? Even directly after the game with team permission? They were in Indiana 1/7, why not ask for permission to go see his son that night and during the day off? Odd.
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at this point i think all he van say is i am sorry to the team and basically tell the media he made a mkstake, there is really nothing he can say...
i have read multiple interviews with him that being away from his son is the hardest part, but again no excuse
If he really misses his son that much (and is unable to relocate him) then I guess there is no point even worrying about him wanting max from the Knicks because he's pretty much limited to the Bulls, Twolves or Pacers right? I mean again, I basically grew up without a dad, so I find it beyond commendable that he loves/cares about his son but assuming this story is accurate, the decision making is that of someone who is not stable ala Kanye West. Somehow hundreds of pro-athletes play away from "home" and yet to my recollection this has NEVER happened.
They had a day off 1/3, another 1/5, again 1/8 and again have one day. He couldn't have gone home one of those days? Even directly after the game with team permission? They were in Indiana 1/7, why not ask for permission to go see his son that night and during the day off? Odd.
i dont know what the agreement he has with his baby mama, it seems gets his kid in spurts, he had hkm for awhilr in the summer then had him again on thanksgiving
The Knicks are DEFINITELY not making the playoffs and this lottery will be so full of talent that winning it isn't even necessary.
I still struggle to see a team where he's a fit and a trade makes sense for the Knicks. Rose is an expiring at this point- if he's even tradable it's for someone else's junk. Rather just let the contract expire.
The reported lack of response to the Knicks attempts to contact him are the worst part in my view. Immature people make strange decisions but once you make the move to ditch the team and head to Chicago at least have the balls to tell them what you did/why you did it. If God forbid his son were say being abused (obviously not the case here) then you tell the Knicks, or at the very least communicate this fact to someone who will/respond to their attempts.
Derrick Rose will address the media today. (Maybe he'll begin by ripping - yet again - the Knicks defensive effort against New Orleans.)
Carmelo quit on his team yesterday too. He just waited until the 3rd quarter when things were going bad.
Now you're talking.
In all honesty..... if the Knicks trade Melo and get a lottery pick - its a great season. If they can trade both Melo and Noah, christmas came early.
I really never warmed to him. Fairly or unfairly, I viewed him as scummy after the rape allegations, and then he showed up here and looked scummy, and played a dumb and ugly brand of basketball.