1. Assuming multiple reports on the topic Derrick Rose MUST be suspended. I don't care what the family issue was. There is absolutely no excuse for not contacting/not being receptive to contact from the Knicks. You tell your agent/friend to speak to them on your behalf. The Knicks reportedly are "livid".
2. Things were already going downhill with Rose/Hornacek. Even if unrelated I think it's more likely than not this will help the Knicks make their Rose decision going forward.
"Knicks officials didn’t hear from Rose that he was OK until after an embarrassing loss to New Orleans, a confirmation that sources said began the next conversation within the organization: What do they do with Rose now?
In the aftermath of going AWOL at The Garden, Knicks officials need to further determine Rose’s passion to return to the team and continue playing.
Rose has put into peril his short-term role – with the possibility of a suspension, sources said – and the longer-term chances to land a lucrative contract extension with the Knicks in July, league sources told The Vertical.
Rose, the 2011 NBA Most Valuable Player and a three-time All-Star, has suffered through several serious injuries and has diminished as an elite point guard in the league. He’s had an up-and-down season for the Knicks, who have lost eight of nine games and dropped to 17-21."
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Get over yourself. Holy shit. Ill criticize Melo whenever the fuck I want from him being one of the most overrated "superstars" in the sports history.
I really never warmed to him. Fairly or unfairly, I viewed him as scummy after the rape allegations, and then he showed up here and looked scummy, and played a dumb and ugly brand of basketball.
He's tough to trade because he is on his last year of a deal with no guarantee to sign a reasonable deal after this year. If he had 2-3 years and 30-35 million left - he would be very easy to trade.
to who? for what?
What contender or even playoff team has a starting PG worse then Rose and any kind of salary match and asset that's better then just letting him expire?
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he would have been easy to move. Expiring deal, incentive for FA's to stay with current team. Upper echelon NBA skill. He could be a difference maker for a contender(or team that thinks they are). He wouldn't be a 3rd PG. He'd either be a starting PG or a 6th man(where he'd thrive).
What contender or even playoff team has a starting PG worse then Rose and any kind of salary match and asset that's better then just letting him expire?
Answering this question would require a basic understanding of other team's rosters and cap rules. In other words, you're asking too much of kmed.
But have no fear, he'll continue to repeat his mantra that other teams would have been dying to acquire Rose for real assets if not for this unfortunate incident.
5.4 assists
42% from the floor
1-4 as a starter
Yep, DRose is the problem.
There has to be more to this story. Maybe he did text, but he had the wrong number(kidding Dan!). Just an odd story for the knicks to just look the other way(unless they agreed that they'd shop him instead of suspending him).
Ok let's say he's slightly better then average. Here are the top 10 teams in each conference, with their starting PG:
1) Cavs- Kyrie
2) Raptors- Lowry
3) Celtics- Thomas
4) Hawks- Schroeder
5) Pacers- Teague
6) Hornets- Kemba
7) Wizards- Wall
8) Bucks- Giannis
9) Bulls- a PG shit show, so he'd probably be an upgrade but they need shooting. Also can't see a scenario they trade back for him.
10) Pistons- Jackson
West-
1) Warriors- Curry
2) Spurs- Parker, but Mills is really their main PG
3) Rockets- Harden
4) Clippers- Paul
5) Griz- Conley
6) Jazz- Hill
7) Thunder- Westbrook
8) Blazers- Lillard
9) Kings- Collison
10) Kings- Holliday
So find me a team in the above 20 teams who fit the following 3 options:
1) Rose would be an upgrade for them. I won't even argue whoever you pick, you just have to believe that to be true.
2) Rose would be a talent fit. Again, won't even argue what you pick, you just have to be able to make the case for it.
3) if you can find anyone who fits the criteria for 1 and 2, find me a deal that fits under the cap using ESPN trade machine that's a realistic one.
I'm not trying to back and forth, I'm genuinely curious. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see any deals that make sense.
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but we disagree on rose's ranking and talent level. You think he's one of the worst PG's, I think he's slightly better than average.
Ok let's say he's slightly better then average. Here are the top 10 teams in each conference, with their starting PG:
1) Cavs- Kyrie
2) Raptors- Lowry
3) Celtics- Thomas
4) Hawks- Schroeder
5) Pacers- Teague
6) Hornets- Kemba
7) Wizards- Wall
8) Bucks- Giannis
9) Bulls- a PG shit show, so he'd probably be an upgrade but they need shooting. Also can't see a scenario they trade back for him.
10) Pistons- Jackson
West-
1) Warriors- Curry
2) Spurs- Parker, but Mills is really their main PG
3) Rockets- Harden
4) Clippers- Paul
5) Griz- Conley
6) Jazz- Hill
7) Thunder- Westbrook
8) Blazers- Lillard
9) Kings- Collison
10) Kings- Holliday
So find me a team in the above 20 teams who fit the following 3 options:
1) Rose would be an upgrade for them. I won't even argue whoever you pick, you just have to believe that to be true.
2) Rose would be a talent fit. Again, won't even argue what you pick, you just have to be able to make the case for it.
3) if you can find anyone who fits the criteria for 1 and 2, find me a deal that fits under the cap using ESPN trade machine that's a realistic one.
I'm not trying to back and forth, I'm genuinely curious. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see any deals that make sense.
sgrts, even if what you say is correct and he's not an option for starting PG, you don't think any of those teams need a 6th man?
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not suspended, fined instead. Ugh.
There has to be more to this story. Maybe he did text, but he had the wrong number(kidding Dan!). Just an odd story for the knicks to just look the other way(unless they agreed that they'd shop him instead of suspending him).
My brain is leading toward the last thing you said. You can't make this work with just a fine unless you are promising to work the phones to get him out of town.
an expiring disgruntled player gets you a cruddy contract or 2nd rounders back.
and melo gets maybe young player and cruddy contract back.
selling at the lows never returns much
OK so find me a trade, any trade with any team, where Rose makes sense from a basketball perspective and a sensible deal can be made with salary cap in mind.
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I can see a contender trading for him as a 6th man(where he'd thrive), but it doesn't have to be a contender. There may be teams who view him as a long term option. He's still young and has proven to be completely over the knee issues.
OK so find me a trade, any trade with any team, where Rose makes sense from a basketball perspective and a sensible deal can be made with salary cap in mind.
the cap is the real hindrance for this idea you can trade Rose. The teams that would want him don't have room and the teams with room probably don't want him
According to reports on Monday, Rose was not given permission to leave the team. The Knicks were reportedly unable to reach Rose and sent someone to his apartment to check on him when he didn't arrive for the game.
When pressed why he didn't contact the Knicks to explain his absence, Rose said he didn't answer their calls because he needed "space."
Rose said that he contacted the Knicks later on Monday night, and when he returned on Tuesday, explained his absence to team president Phil Jackson and GM Steve Mills. Rose said both accepted his explanation.
Rose also denied reports that his relationship with Jeff Hornacek has "frayed" after being unhappy with his diminishing role.
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If Rose wasn't such a colossal moron, he'd have just told the Knicks he was blowing off the game ahead of schedule, they could have floated a fake story about a family emergency, and started working the trade lines immediately.
You're welcome.
Why would you even bring this up? It's not happening.
"Because some people just want to watch the world burn..."
You're welcome.
Dont hate that deal at all.
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Megdal thinks a max deal for Rose would possibly the worst deal in the history of the Knicks franchise.
Why would you even bring this up? It's not happening.
"Because some people just want to watch the world burn..."
As a Knicks fan, if you can honestly believe any bad decision definitely wont happen, you haven't been paying attention for a long, long, long time. Knicks and Kings are the the only two contenders for worst run franchises in the NBA.
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Megdal thinks a max deal for Rose would possibly the worst deal in the history of the Knicks franchise.
Why would you even bring this up? It's not happening.
"Because some people just want to watch the world burn..."
As a Knicks fan, if you can honestly believe any bad decision definitely wont happen, you haven't been paying attention for a long, long, long time. Knicks and Kings are the the only two contenders for worst run franchises in the NBA.
Dude you're depressing as hell. If you feel that way stop rooting for them.
Don't tell me who to root for. I can both be a fan of the team and state the obvious that the Knicks are an extremely poorly run franchise. Its not like that is some kind of controversial statement.
If the Knicks do decide to make some trades, Lee can help a contender. Actually, Lee to the Rockets makes a ton of sense. They can use a wing to take Brewers minutes for sure. Lee is definitely a tradable guy. Not sure why the 6ers would want him, but I'd trade Lee in a second right now for some assets.
Jennings, Lee, KOQ, Holiday. But it makes no sense for them to acquire all these guys when there are plenty of great PGs at the top of this year's draft.
Don't tell me who to root for. I can both be a fan of the team and state the obvious that the Knicks are an extremely poorly run franchise. Its not like that is some kind of controversial statement.
Lemme see... they have their first round picks going forward. They have some players like Hernangomez and Kuz who look like they can contribute (maybe even Baker). Have only one really bad deal with Noah. Only 2 more yrs on Melo's deal if he doesn't request a trade before then. It's not as bad as you want to believe.
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If you can show me a single reason that isn't KP to be optimistic about the Knicks or how they are run, please share.
Don't tell me who to root for. I can both be a fan of the team and state the obvious that the Knicks are an extremely poorly run franchise. Its not like that is some kind of controversial statement.
Lemme see... they have their first round picks going forward. They have some players like Hernangomez and Kuz who look like they can contribute (maybe even Baker). Have only one really bad deal with Noah. Only 2 more yrs on Melo's deal if he doesn't request a trade before then. It's not as bad as you want to believe.
sure, if you think the guys who put together this roster are all of a sudden going to turn into competent executives. I tend to think guys who have a track record of stupid decisions are likely to continue making stupid decisions going forward.
Would he fit playing next to KP? By all accounts he seems like the most talented player to fall down in the draft.
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If you can show me a single reason that isn't KP to be optimistic about the Knicks or how they are run, please share.
Don't tell me who to root for. I can both be a fan of the team and state the obvious that the Knicks are an extremely poorly run franchise. Its not like that is some kind of controversial statement.
Lemme see... they have their first round picks going forward. They have some players like Hernangomez and Kuz who look like they can contribute (maybe even Baker). Have only one really bad deal with Noah. Only 2 more yrs on Melo's deal if he doesn't request a trade before then. It's not as bad as you want to believe.
sure, if you think the guys who put together this roster are all of a sudden going to turn into competent executives. I tend to think guys who have a track record of stupid decisions are likely to continue making stupid decisions going forward.
Ok... I choose to be optimistic. You can continue the doom and gloom all you want.
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If you can show me a single reason that isn't KP to be optimistic about the Knicks or how they are run, please share.
Don't tell me who to root for. I can both be a fan of the team and state the obvious that the Knicks are an extremely poorly run franchise. Its not like that is some kind of controversial statement.
Lemme see... they have their first round picks going forward. They have some players like Hernangomez and Kuz who look like they can contribute (maybe even Baker). Have only one really bad deal with Noah. Only 2 more yrs on Melo's deal if he doesn't request a trade before then. It's not as bad as you want to believe.
White people will save the Knicks?
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If you can show me a single reason that isn't KP to be optimistic about the Knicks or how they are run, please share.
Don't tell me who to root for. I can both be a fan of the team and state the obvious that the Knicks are an extremely poorly run franchise. Its not like that is some kind of controversial statement.
Lemme see... they have their first round picks going forward. They have some players like Hernangomez and Kuz who look like they can contribute (maybe even Baker). Have only one really bad deal with Noah. Only 2 more yrs on Melo's deal if he doesn't request a trade before then. It's not as bad as you want to believe.
White people will save the Knicks?
He's a Knick because no one wanted him. He has done nothing to make anyone want to give up assets for him now.
the reason you become a fan of a team is because you enjoy watching them.play, you want them to win and it takes you away from life for a couple of hours, but if you are so miserable why even bother?
why soend hours on a message board talking about how miserable they are? i can think m of 100 different things i would rather do than to bitch about my teams...
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I think we can get something good for him as well. By good I mean a mid to late first. I also think that Noah might be tradable by the deadline. He's been playing pretty well. If there is a team over the cap that has an expiring, we might be able to get a pick for him. It's time to break it down.
He's a Knick because no one wanted him. He has done nothing to make anyone want to give up assets for him now.
noah actually has played well, its ironic because as soon as he started playing better it seems the knicks started to losing
the reason you become a fan of a team is because you enjoy watching them.play, you want them to win and it takes you away from life for a couple of hours, but if you are so miserable why even bother?
why soend hours on a message board talking about how miserable they are? i can think m of 100 different things i would rather do than to bitch about my teams...
not telling