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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2017 6:41 pm
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Playoff Game Review: New York Giants at Green Bay Packers, January 8, 2017 - ( New Window )
Eric  
Trainmaster : 1/10/2017 7:22 pm : link
You should receive a Hazardous Duty Award for having to go back and review that game in detail. A very fair assessment of a very disappointing end to the season.
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2017 7:38 pm : link
In comment 13320660 Trainmaster said:
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You should receive a Hazardous Duty Award for having to go back and review that game in detail. A very fair assessment of a very disappointing end to the season.


I have to admit watching the end of the first half and the the last quarter and a half was painful.
First game in memory  
CRinCA : 1/10/2017 7:44 pm : link
That I could not wait to end. Thank God for beer.
Eric,  
Simms11 : 1/10/2017 8:10 pm : link
Are you going to do an end of season review and provide your thoughts on what the teams needs are? I'd be curious to hear you opinions on this.
RE: Eric,  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2017 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13320697 Simms11 said:
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Are you going to do an end of season review and provide your thoughts on what the teams needs are? I'd be curious to hear you opinions on this.


Sure.
I think at 50  
EJJ : 1/10/2017 8:29 pm : link
I've learned to go out side for some air when the game is out of reach. I get so emotional my kids think I'm crazy LOL.
In the past I've cursed ,jumped out of my seat, stomped my feet kicked over a basket,and thrown several objects! So anyway I didn't watch the final five minutes of the game that must be progress.
Well fellas there's always next year, but this year was a lot of fun though.
RE: First game in memory  
Johnny5 : 1/10/2017 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13320679 CRinCA said:
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That I could not wait to end. Thank God for beer.

I almost agreed... and then I remembered... before I had a beer the Giants were dominating. As soon as I cracked a Founders breakfast stout... shit went downhill fast. Dammit... I guess I should have laid off the beer for that game...
Eric, I mostly agree  
Matt M. : 1/10/2017 8:52 pm : link
However, I think your assessment of Eli is a bit harsh and misplaced. I am not an apologist with him. This was a game, especially in the first quarter, when he was absolutely on fire. The reason they didn't exploit the poor pass defense was a ton of dropped passes. The first OBJ drop cost us at least a FG (although I think I would have gone for it on 4th down) and the two drops in the end zone by OBJ and Shepard cost us 4 points, as we settled for a FG. So what amounted to 6-0 could have easily been 10 or 14-0, which would have completely changed the game. More drops as the game went on stalled other drives and cost us more points. Eli did his job, in my opinion.

The most important point you made, I think, was about losing DRC. I think that is a huge factor in this loss. Rodgers exploited the middle, especially from the slot.
RE: Eric, I mostly agree  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2017 9:02 pm : link
In comment 13320716 Matt M. said:
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However, I think your assessment of Eli is a bit harsh and misplaced. I am not an apologist with him. This was a game, especially in the first quarter, when he was absolutely on fire. The reason they didn't exploit the poor pass defense was a ton of dropped passes. The first OBJ drop cost us at least a FG (although I think I would have gone for it on 4th down) and the two drops in the end zone by OBJ and Shepard cost us 4 points, as we settled for a FG. So what amounted to 6-0 could have easily been 10 or 14-0, which would have completely changed the game. More drops as the game went on stalled other drives and cost us more points. Eli did his job, in my opinion.

The most important point you made, I think, was about losing DRC. I think that is a huge factor in this loss. Rodgers exploited the middle, especially from the slot.


Matt, that was my original assessment too. But the game is more than a few drives. We were playing against the 31st ranked pass defense - and one that just lost another CB. Pass protection was fine except for a few plays. This was more on the receivers, but you have to be able to pick up more than 11 first downs (I don't count the last four first downs on the last drive). Not counting those, we had four first downs in the second half. FOUR. And we only ran the ball four times in the second half. The passing game fell apart.
Eric, I agree  
Matt M. : 1/10/2017 9:08 pm : link
But, Eli was putting the ball on the money all game. His receivers and TEs, in my opinion, let him down big time.

I also thought it odd not to have Adams active. Who was activated at his expense? The last few games that Donnell was active, he was the 3rd TE. While Adams isn't a great blocker, he is the best we have and at least helps when we use 2 TE sets. Donnell is useless in this capacity.
Good review.  
Rick5 : 1/10/2017 9:11 pm : link
Depressing to read. I was so confident when it was 6-0. BTW, there is a minor typo in the 2nd sentence (i.e., dominate should be dominant).
RE: Eric, I agree  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2017 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13320728 Matt M. said:
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But, Eli was putting the ball on the money all game. His receivers and TEs, in my opinion, let him down big time.

I also thought it odd not to have Adams active. Who was activated at his expense? The last few games that Donnell was active, he was the 3rd TE. While Adams isn't a great blocker, he is the best we have and at least helps when we use 2 TE sets. Donnell is useless in this capacity.


He completed 52 percent of his passes. There were six definite drops. Did he always find the open receiver? Did he force some balls? If he was excellent, we would have had more than 11 first downs.
Rick5  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2017 9:19 pm : link
Thanks!
RE: Eric, I agree  
rocco8112 : 1/10/2017 9:45 pm : link
In comment 13320728 Matt M. said:
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But, Eli was putting the ball on the money all game. His receivers and TEs, in my opinion, let him down big time.

I also thought it odd not to have Adams active. Who was activated at his expense? The last few games that Donnell was active, he was the 3rd TE. While Adams isn't a great blocker, he is the best we have and at least helps when we use 2 TE sets. Donnell is useless in this capacity.


Thank you for these reviews, always a must read for me.

I hate drops, I will preface these comments with that. Of all the errors on the football field, drops are simply the worst.

Eli started this game on fire. In your review you note the drops in the WR section stating two were TD drops. I saw it the same way and that is 14 points. Up fourteen, with the way the defense was playing early and it may have snowballed from there. Worst comes to worst, that hail mary would have knotted it up. That was inexcusable play from the WR corps, one was a rookie, the other shit the bed and choked in the biggest Giant game in five years. Those are facts.

In addition, after the D made the fourth down stop and I am glad you noted Collins awesome play on that series. Eli stepped out and after an impotent first down run threw a bomb to the fifth string WR for his first career TD. It was once again a one point game. Then the D collapsed and Rainey made one of the worst mental errors I have ever seen in football. That was the game.

Would have liked to have seen it play out without those drops.
I dont understand why anyone was shocked  
dep026 : 1/10/2017 10:35 pm : link
with the offensive performance. When GB went cover 2...

1. SS couldnt get open.
2. Cruz was ineffective and essentially benched.
3. Beckham was just a disaster.
4. Our TEs cant create matchups.
5. Our RBs are average at best.

Throw in Flowers being awful again. We need OL and OL only in the next draft. Our OL was by far our biggest downfall of the year.
rocco8112  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2017 10:37 pm : link
The two dropped TD's were on the same drive. So that's 7 points, not 14.
RE: rocco8112  
dep026 : 1/10/2017 10:39 pm : link
In comment 13320803 Eric from BBI said:
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The two dropped TD's were on the same drive. So that's 7 points, not 14.


Yeah thats been a big misconception by many. Beckhams drop on the first drive cost us at least 3 points I believe tho.
dep026  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2017 10:46 pm : link
I agree. All three of Beckham's drops were very costly.
If there is one positive about OBJ's game  
dep026 : 1/10/2017 10:52 pm : link
and how poorly he played is that I think it will motivate him all offseason. I think it being the last game is actualyl a good thing because all the boat talk will go away soon.

OBJ hates playing like shit, that taste all offseason will make him better.
The defensive play was fine until the last five minutes of the  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 1/11/2017 2:59 am : link
first half. Rodgers looked like anything but a Hall of Fame lock when he turned away from one Giant defender only to find another closing in on him and yet another until he threw the ball away, including once on a very bad looking intentional grounding.

The defense lost its mojo and Rodgers got back his confidence after the offense couldn't put up any numbers on the scoreboard and because of the Hail Mary. Eli finished the season with 20 turnovers, 16 picks and four lost fumbles, but you can't really show this as evidence of Manning's decline because in 2011 he had the exact same turnover numbers and in 2007 he turned the ball over 22 times.

Eli's receivers let him and the team down. If I were forced to retain either OBJ or JPP, I am thinking that it would be JPP. Beckham still has to learn that making a spectacular one-handed catch, followed by dropping three balls right in his hands, equates to zero, not to a star NFL receiver.
RE: rocco8112  
rocco8112 : 1/11/2017 5:12 am : link
In comment 13320803 Eric from BBI said:
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The two dropped TD's were on the same drive. So that's 7 points, not 14.


true my mistake, well even the one TD, I just think it would have made quite a difference to have come away with more points early the way the Giants were dominating for the first twenty seven minutes.

Such a frustrating loss.

thanks for another season Eric. Tough duty on this one.  
Victor in CT : 1/11/2017 8:59 am : link
I thought they had a chance going in IF they played old time Giants football, but they couldn't do it. The mistakes early were deadly, a 194-7 total yard advantage yielded only 6-0 lead and you could feel disaster coming.

* It's pathetic that a team can't run vs. consistent 2 deep safety cover-2.

* Wing was awful when they needed him to great to win the field position battle. Ditto Gould's kickoffs. Harris needs to be replaced as KO returner (obviously not by Rainey). His judgement stinks.

* Agree that King should have got more looks early. Cruz can't beat anybody deep anymore, and he doesn't have the quickness to get space in the short game. King seemed to add a deep threat that GB couldn't handle.

* Add in the lack of a real TE and no fullback and you see why they can't score.

* Eli was sharp and it was wasted. The INT was meaningless. Beckham killed them.

* The OL is a bigger problem than just Flowers. The right side is awful and on Sunday was manned by journeyman who won't get better. Maybe Hart makes the next step. Though technically sound, Pugh also seems to have trouble with mauler types. Richburg is the guy who worries me. He regressed, and I would think that teams saw in their film study that he is easy to blow up by putting big, physical mauler tops over him and shoving him backwards. I don't see how that changes. Reminds me of how the Giants with Burt used to blow up Jeff Bostic and the Skins couldn't do anything about it.

Great, enjoyable and unexpected season (for me at least), but they have a lot of work to do just to get back to another Wild Card birth.
Spot on dep!  
dan518 : 1/11/2017 12:34 pm : link
I was thinking the same. This is going to fester all off season in his mind and a game like that, he will not likely forget.
RE: RE: rocco8112  
HomerJones45 : 1/11/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13320805 dep026 said:
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In comment 13320803 Eric from BBI said:


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The two dropped TD's were on the same drive. So that's 7 points, not 14.



Yeah thats been a big misconception by many. Beckhams drop on the first drive cost us at least 3 points I believe tho.
Same players as last season with the addition of Shepard and the offense sucked.

No Rueben Randle.


dep, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. ;0)
RE: The defensive play was fine until the last five minutes of the  
HomerJones45 : 1/11/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13320878 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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first half. Rodgers looked like anything but a Hall of Fame lock when he turned away from one Giant defender only to find another closing in on him and yet another until he threw the ball away, including once on a very bad looking intentional grounding.

The defense lost its mojo and Rodgers got back his confidence after the offense couldn't put up any numbers on the scoreboard and because of the Hail Mary. Eli finished the season with 20 turnovers, 16 picks and four lost fumbles, but you can't really show this as evidence of Manning's decline because in 2011 he had the exact same turnover numbers and in 2007 he turned the ball over 22 times.

Eli's receivers let him and the team down. If I were forced to retain either OBJ or JPP, I am thinking that it would be JPP. Beckham still has to learn that making a spectacular one-handed catch, followed by dropping three balls right in his hands, equates to zero, not to a star NFL receiver.
Yeah and Mrs. Lincoln enjoyed the play too until Booth showed up.
Eric's Review  
Percy : 1/12/2017 8:46 am : link
Excellent, painful detailed analysis of the Packers loss. Couldn't read it until today, when my feelings about the loss and thoughts about the coaches and players have finally calmed down. The game and this piece, unfortunately, say a lot about just where the team stands, just how good various players are (or are not), and the overall quality of the team. Bottom line: Not Good.

The team is a pretender and a tease, not of championship caliber. What to do? Way too much is needed to expect a fix in 2017. Maybe some improvements here and there, but no more. Disappointing.
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